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[F250 28782]

9 hours ago, South Austin said:

I just go for the cheap laugh with a gif or movie quote, asshole.

[F250 28782]

7 hours ago, safe sex said:

I mean...they would've been confederate if they'd been a state at the time

Wasn't the territory split between Indian tribes loyal to the Confederacy and Union? As I recall it was more of a tempest of partisan conflict like Missouri. Some tribes loyal to the Confederacy and some loyal to the Union with fighting crossing over into Kansas.

I get you are talking about modern day Okies and not Indian territory. But from what I recall there was an interest in annexation by the Cherokee/Shawnee into the Confederacy.

[Stilicho 1397]

8 minutes ago, F250 said:

Wasn't the territory split between Indian tribes loyal to the Confederacy and Union? As I recall it was more of a tempest of partisan conflict like Missouri. Some tribes loyal to the Confederacy and some loyal to the Union with fighting crossing over into Kansas.

I get you are talking about modern day Okies and not Indian territory. But from what I recall there was an interest in annexation by the Cherokee/Shawnee into the Confederacy.

This is pretty close to true. 
 

The 5 Tribes split (not sure the exact dynamics), but the Cherokee and Waite went with the Confederacy on the somewhat thin promise that they would get their ancestral homeland in Georgia back. But the Cherokee did own some slaves. 

Edited April 6, 2023 by Stilicho

[ChiTownDoc 21154]

13 hours ago, Homercles said:

I can’t even listen to NPR anymore because I sit there arguing with the radio anytime I hear a GOP or man on the street arguing how this is a political witch hunt or some education bill to put the Ten Commandments on walls or the bill to let preachers teach or…

I could never listen to NPR.  Not because I don't agree with their viewpoints...I do.  It's because they're so calm and copasetic, while they melt my brain letting me listen to the dumbest fucking assholes on earth explain why it's cool to be a troglodyte. 

[The Dog 44062]

 

[Born to Run 6569]

I mean, when’s the next time I’m gonna be in Haiti? 

I have those Jeans!

[Born to Run 6569]

Unrelated, but you picked an absolutely fucked year for the PCT. Should have took up skiing. Dumpage.

[TwiceHorn 31496]

20 minutes ago, The Dog said:

 

One of the best things about that is the explanation, with citation, that "intent to defraud" as used in the statute is not what most lawyers and lay people think of defrauding someone.  It's anything that tends to frustrate the execution and application of state laws.  https://www.justsecurity.org/85831/the-broad-scope-of-intent-to-defraud-in-the-new-york-crime-of-falsifying-business-records/

[atomheartbevo 89732]

1 hour ago, Stilicho said:

This is pretty close to true. 
The 5 Tribes split (not sure the exact dynamics), but the Cherokee and Waite went with the Confederacy on the somewhat thin promise that they would get their ancestral homeland in Georgia back. But the Cherokee did own some slaves. 

Some?

Very few of my white ancestors that lived in the antebellum South had slaves (and this was true of most people with ancestors from that area/era - slaves were fucking expensive), but one of my Cherokee ancestors and her white husband owned nearly 100, five times as many as all of my other ancestors combined.

Once in a blue moon I get a DNA hit with somebody who is descended from one of their slaves.  If we make contact and get a general idea of how many generations back we go for a common ancestor, I'll send copies of the information, maps, etc. I've collected over the years, and usually the response is "wow, that was a lot of slaves" and "wow, they were forced to sell most off and then lost a bunch on the trail of tears along with half the family.  Karma is a bitch isn't it?"

 

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[WhatTheBuck 28788]

7 hours ago, Stilicho said:

the Cherokee and Waite went with the Confederacy on the somewhat thin promise that they would get their ancestral homeland in Georgia back.

Suckers.

[speed817 19381]

5 hours ago, tbone_ said:

[Biff Tannen 45691]

7 hours ago, Born to Run said:

On 4/4/2023 at 10:26 PM, Biff Tannen said:

Unrelated, but you picked an absolutely fucked year for the PCT. Should have took up skiing. Dumpage.

Yep. Going anyway. Gonna be epic. 

[Goredho 17408]

6 hours ago, tbone_ said:

I want crazed liberals to weaponize her and use her against me.

[SmokeyTheBear 5562]

I'd pee in her butt

[dcbc 14487]

10 hours ago, Surly Bevo said:

Been trying to figure out who these chumps reminded me of.

 

 

[RomaVicta 29929]

16 hours ago, nbmishoid said:

Was in some other fucking plane, yes.   Vey happy to be back.  Hope all is well with you and your family.

[RomaVicta 29929]

16 hours ago, YGIFS said:

I am just way behind on my dumbass history.  I just learned this week that April is Confederate History month with 7 states still celebrating it, and I honestly thought Missouri was part of the Confederacy.  But according to that map, it's not.  It's not that I'm stupid (I am dumb though), it's that I just don't care Bob.  

Texas has Confederate Heroes Day on Jan. 19 (Robt. E. Lee's birthday) which usually falls the same week as Martin Luther King Day.

Looking it up, I learned why the day and other disturbing shit. From Texas Monthly 2020

Quote

One of Texas’s most enduring memorials to the Confederacy isn’t a statue cast in bronze or a plaque dedicated to the Lost Cause.It’s a state holiday the Texas Legislature created in 1973, more than one hundred years after the Civil War ended. Every year, on January 19—Robert E. Lee’s birthday—Texas celebrates Confederate Heroes Day. It’s a “partial” holiday,” so state offices remain open, but employees can take a paid day off “in honor of Jefferson Davis, Robert E. Lee, and other Confederate heroes.” Even as monuments to the Confederacy have begun to fall in recent years, efforts to abolish or at least rename the holiday have nonetheless been fruitless at the Texas Legislature.

Why 1973? School bussing? This is back when we were Democratic. 

We've got to let this shit go. The cos-play re-enacters can play dress up if they like, but the state needs to get its mind right.

Oh, wait. I'm a Texan from Texas. It'll never happen.

[MC Fresh Breath 4074]

14 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Everyone gets it.

Someone posted some of Melania’s nude pics in a political thread recently. It was either in one of the Trump threads or the LGBTQ thread. Maybe go track those down and share your sanctimony with them. 

Pointing out your cringiness is not the same as being sanctimonious.  If I monitored all the threads for said cringiness  (as you would apparently have me do) then perhaps your "Karen" descriptor would be apt.   My interactions with you indicate you're always going to argue for the last word, so I'll stop now.  Perhaps though, think about how you appear to the outside world when you start describing your ideal pre and post boob job figures in a politics thread.  Some introspection would do you good.

[Sawbonz 27578]

5 minutes ago, MC Fresh Breath said:

Pointing out your cringiness is not the same as being sanctimonious.  If I monitored all the threads for said cringiness  (as you would apparently have me do) then perhaps your "Karen" descriptor would be apt.   My interactions with you indicate you're always going to argue for the last word, so I'll stop now.  Perhaps though, think about how you appear to the outside world when you start describing your ideal pre and post boob job figures in a politics thread.  Some introspection would do you good.

Lol

[Saint Tacky 1614]

8 hours ago, tbone_ said:

He should plead guilty to the misdemeanors then go uptown and to the top of the Empire State Building to scream, "You're goddamn right I hit that!" 

8 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

 

Every news or sports anchor can tell you that. Television 101.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33874]

2 minutes ago, Saint Tacky said:

He should plead guilty to the misdemeanors

what misdemeanors?

[TwiceHorn 31496]

Digesting a lot of this stuff, I don't think there's any way the misdemeanor counts get dismissed, and I think it's pretty highly likely he is convicted on them.  That is also a more "pleadable" situation, and, regardless, would render this prosecution pretty much a wet fart.

Convicting on the felony level is going to be a bit more interesting, methinks.

[Sawbonz 27578]

21 minutes ago, Saint Tacky said:

go uptown and to the top of the Empire State Building to scream, "You're goddamn right I hit that!" 

Username checks out 

[TwiceHorn 31496]

26 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

what misdemeanors?

They are lesser included offenses to the felonies in the indictments.

I'm not sure procedurally how that would work, but it would put a bullet in this prosecution if he could unilaterally do that.

[G650 14263]

8 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

 

 

The fact that Derek has become one of the main characters of Twitter will never not be hilarious to me.

[Neonmoon 38129]

1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

They are lesser included offenses to the felonies in the indictments.

I'm not sure procedurally how that would work, but it would put a bullet in this prosecution if he could unilaterally do that.

The DA ain’t going to let him plead out of the felonies. 
 

[royiv 9325]

9 hours ago, tbone_ said:

[C-Man 27230]

1 hour ago, royiv said:

Ain't that the truth. Karen McDougal was one of my favorite Playmates of all time. The fact that Trump stuck his little mushroom dick inside of her -- and her MAGA-leaning politics -- has completely ruined her for me but we'll always have 1997 and 1998!

[Underdog 28711]

Still several inches of pussy he never touched.

[Stilicho 1397]

12 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Some?

Very few of my white ancestors that lived in the antebellum South had slaves (and this was true of most people with ancestors from that area/era - slaves were fucking expensive), but one of my Cherokee ancestors and her white husband owned nearly 100, five times as many as all of my other ancestors combined.

Once in a blue moon I get a DNA hit with somebody who is descended from one of their slaves.  If we make contact and get a general idea of how many generations back we go for a common ancestor, I'll send copies of the information, maps, etc. I've collected over the years, and usually the response is "wow, that was a lot of slaves" and "wow, they were forced to sell most off and then lost a bunch on the trail of tears along with half the family.  Karma is a bitch isn't it?"

 

Fair point.

Been a bunch of litigation concerning the status of Cherokee freedmen and whether they can be considered 'Indian' (since Indian = political classification, not race / ethnicity).

So 'some' was a bit of an underwhelming statement.

[Hermanator 7110]

5 hours ago, MC Fresh Breath said:

Pointing out your cringiness is not the same as being sanctimonious.  If I monitored all the threads for said cringiness  (as you would apparently have me do) then perhaps your "Karen" descriptor would be apt.   My interactions with you indicate you're always going to argue for the last word, so I'll stop now.  Perhaps though, think about how you appear to the outside world when you start describing your ideal pre and post boob job figures in a politics thread.  Some introspection would do you good.

[Pig Bellmont 8719]

A good explainer from a Crim law professor:

 

[TwiceHorn 31496]

I'm still interested in how you prove the other crime, whether it's Trump's or someone elses?

Beyond a reasonable doubt? Preponderance?  Clear and convincing?

I don't think you can really just introduce Cohen's conviction and leave it at that.

Another thing is that the "other crime" does not appear to actually have been committed.  Only that the falsifier intend that it be committed, so I don't think any conviction is even necessary.

The open question is "why did you disguise these payments as attorneys fees"?  To generate tax deductions?  To hide it from the FEC?

[elfenix 34312]

On 4/5/2023 at 10:55 PM, Stilicho said:

This is pretty close to true. 
 

The 5 Tribes split (not sure the exact dynamics), but the Cherokee and Waite went with the Confederacy on the somewhat thin promise that they would get their ancestral homeland in Georgia back. But the Cherokee did own some slaves. 

 

read this back in 5th or 6th grade instead of the usual johnny tremain

https://www.amazon.com/Rifles-Watie-Harold-Keith/dp/006447030X

[elfenix 34312]

21 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I'm still interested in how you prove the other crime, whether it's Trump's or someone elses?

Beyond a reasonable doubt? Preponderance?  Clear and convincing?

I don't think you can really just introduce Cohen's conviction and leave it at that.

Another thing is that the "other crime" does not appear to actually have been committed.  Only that the falsifier intend that it be committed, so I don't think any conviction is even necessary.

The open question is "why did you disguise these payments as attorneys fees"?  To generate tax deductions?  To hide it from the FEC?

seems like it doesn't need to be beyond a reasonable doubt

 

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[staboner 4984]

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[Sawbonz 27578]

[atomheartbevo 89732]

If that is true, all of those motherfuckers know Trump will throw them under the bus if given the chance.  He just thinks he's had a few people around that snitched on him.

[DigglerontheHoof 21202]

7 hours ago, staboner said:

A part of me is gif above, the other part is:

[Underdog 28711]

3 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

If that is true, all of those motherfuckers know Trump will throw them under the bus if given the chance.  He just thinks he's had a few people around that snitched on him.

Is why Lady G has been crying so much of late begging for money on his behalf, to remain in Trump's good graces. 

[TwiceHorn 31496]

3 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

If that is true, all of those motherfuckers know Trump will throw them under the bus if given the chance.  He just thinks he's had a few people around that snitched on him.

That's another way in which this criminal arena is so vastly different from what Trump has experienced before.  In civil litigation, sure, witnesses go under oath and perjury is a crime, but usually the only person questioning a witness is another party's private attorney, and usually before a private court reporter.  The specter of being held to account for lying and dissembling is remote.

Subpoenaing witnesses before a grand jury, to be examined by a prosecutor who can actually charge you with perjury or obstruction of justice, and being hauled before a judge where they pierce your privilege claims is a whole nother nutcheck level.

Most of Trump's allies are pantywaists like ladybugs that would lie and shade things in a civil case, but don't have the cojones to do it in a criminal case, where the penalties are closer and more real.

[Pato del Muerto 52525]

[Biff Tannen 45691]

Suave?

[RomaVicta 29929]

I've got to remind myself that my impatience does not mean nothing will happen. But still, I hear Tuco in my head.