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[The Dog 44174]

I’M SO INDICTED 

[tx 3 putt 77624]

This Tuesday deal can take place anywhere ?

[tx 3 putt 77624]

53 minutes ago, Cairn Horn88 said:

He has that same dumbass judge who got slapped around by the Appeals Court….I doubt if she’ll recuse herself, so she may help Trump by slowing the trial down and not allowing certain evidence to be introduced, which would be appealed, and thus slowing down the trial, to perhaps past the election….this game ain’t over.

She’s the perfect judge for the trump delay game. 

[Bama Chick 28596]

This thread is both hilarious and educational for us non-lawyer types.

[tx 3 putt 77624]

 

[speed817 19499]

6 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

This thread is both hilarious and educational for us non-lawyer types.
 

That's a great thread.....

[Gil Bang 26061]

41 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

This thread is both hilarious and educational for us non-lawyer types.
 

so, 5% of surly?

[chainsaw 9879]

37 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

digital J6. FAFO.

[Gil Bang 26061]

 

[NWBuck 8588]

NSIAP... 

This thread is amazing! 

 

[ChiTownDoc 21175]

When you lose Fox…

[Ted Lange 16144]

Stupid amnesty question.  So as a defendant you can request a trial by jury.  If cannon ends up as the judge, can Trump waive that right and the prosecution is stuck with her?  If Trump waves having a jury trial, can the prosecution then select a jury trial because Cannon is nuts.  

[TexLonghorn 5671]

 

[Dnaguy 12135]

2 hours ago, chainsaw said:

 

 

don't threaten me with a good time.

[dcbc 14546]

11 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:

Stupid amnesty question.  So as a defendant you can request a trial by jury.  If cannon ends up as the judge, can Trump waive that right and the prosecution is stuck with her?  If Trump waves having a jury trial, can the prosecution then select a jury trial because Cannon is nuts.  

I think on the federal level, the prosecution must consent to a defendant's request for a jury trial.

[Gatorubet 30325]

[Ted Lange 16144]

3 minutes ago, dcbc said:

I think on the federal level, the prosecution must consent to a defendant's request for a jury trial.

What if they don’t want a jury trial.  Do they have to consent to a judge that’s in the bag?
 

[brakeman 28481]

2 hours ago, The Dog said:

 

It is an Easter egg.

[BamaATL 16593]

Something isn't right here to me.  I've read the indictment and as fully encompassing as it seems to be, I don't think this is the end of the document stuff, but just part of it.  For one, Meadows, who helped orchestrate the original taking of the documents isn't mentioned in the indictment (unless I missed a page).  That seems like a big missing piece of this.  I'm beginning to wonder if there are actually 2 different grand juries working on 2 different parts of this.  We obviously know about the grand jury in Florida where the indictments are happening Tuesday, but we also know of another grand jury in DC.  It was long presumed that the case would be handled in DC, but as the lawyers here made clear for venue reasons and to prevent technicalities being open to appeal, this part of the indictment was made in Florida.  A couple of questions about this:

1.  The crimes outlined in the indictment all pretty much seem to have occurred in Florida, is this because of where it happened?  (I realize some of the evidence also points to happenings in New Jersey, but mostly Florida).  

2.  Is it possible to have an entirely separate case in DC about the original theft by taking?  Basically, different crimes, different jurisdiction?  I have no idea if this is even potentially a thing.  

So basically, might this not be the end of the document scandal, but rather the beginning?

I think everyone automatically assumes that since this indictment was done that the grand jury in DC must now be fully related to Jan. 6th, is it possible that there is more than one grand jury in DC, one for more of the documents, and one for Jan. 6th?

 

[Hermanator 7191]

2 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

This Tuesday deal can take place anywhere ?

 

1 hour ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

This fucker is doing it again. The National Guard better be in place, locked, loaded, and ready to mow these fuckers down if they try to storm the courthouse. 

These idiots aren't capable of learning. Not even from the massive league trouble their fellow idiots have dealt with over the last 2 years. 

[aggie08 21561]

If anyone comes near Jack Smith’s kids, they better get shot in the fucking eyeball. 

[atomheartbevo 89863]

2 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

This thread is both hilarious and educational for us non-lawyer types.

1 hour ago, Gil Bang said:

so, 5% of surly?

• 46% of Surly are lawyers
• 46% of Surly are doctors
• 2% of Surly are both
• 2% of Surly are pilots
• 2% of Surly are engineers (1 member of Surly is a lawyer and an engineer, but the stats don't reflect it)
• 2% of Surly are in the entertainment industry
• 2% of Surly are math majors

[TexEx15 17574]

 

[atomheartbevo 89863]

8 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

This fucker is doing it again. The National Guard better be in place, locked, loaded, and ready to mow these fuckers down if they try to storm the courthouse. 

These idiots aren't capable of learning. Not even from the massive league trouble their fellow idiots have dealt with over the last 2 years. 

It appears to be fake, but there are people out there trying to stir shit up, most likely a lot of Russian bots, with the help of the Qanon idiots, and those that just want to see things burn and people die.

[Blotto 23585]

13 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

 

This fucker is doing it again. The National Guard better be in place, locked, loaded, and ready to mow these fuckers down if they try to storm the courthouse. 

These idiots aren't capable of learning. Not even from the massive league trouble their fellow idiots have dealt with over the last 2 years. 

I'm afraid they're bringing in Meal Team 6 to rescue the president. I hope the guard has an adequate supply of gravy to fend off the onslaught.

[atomheartbevo 89863]

I'll take a stab at the meme game

[Hookah Horns 3083]

3 hours ago, Gil Bang said:

 

 

Sometimes I think there's something about being a really attractive woman that kills their brain cells. 

[Hookah Horns 3083]

1 hour ago, Hermanator said:

 

This fucker is doing it again. The National Guard better be in place, locked, loaded, and ready to mow these fuckers down if they try to storm the courthouse. 

These idiots aren't capable of learning. Not even from the massive league trouble their fellow idiots have dealt with over the last 2 years. 

It'll be the US Marshals. They don't play. Ashli Babitt would get a lot of company in hell. 

[Mdhorn 5990]

29 minutes ago, Blotto said:

I'm afraid they're bringing in Meal Team 6 to rescue the president. I hope the guard has an adequate supply of gravy to fend off the onslaught.

Seal Team 4XL better hope there's no walking involved in their revolution.  Crawling was also not part of their basic training, for obvious reasons.  And at this point, why bother with camo?  It's not like nobody can spot them.  "See the fat ass struggling up the courthouse steps?"  "Wearing camo?"  "Yeah, that's him."  "Camo with red, white and blue flags, sir?"  Just all adds up, doesn't it?  "Hey, y'all don't forget the coolers, the ones with wheels.  We're going to need cold beverages and nobody wants to carry a cooler full of ice and Miller Light up those steps."    

[Hookah Horns 3083]

3 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

The thing that really kills me is these worthless un-American shitbag fucksticks really think they're patriots. 

[atomheartbevo 89863]

1 hour ago, Hookah Horns said:

The thing that really kills me is these worthless un-American shitbag fucksticks really think they're patriots. 

It's the fact that they think they'd survive in a fight with the government, whether it be county, state, or feds, that gets me.

[Celery Man 21021]

7 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

 

There is an extraordinary thing called an Alford plea whereby the defendant is permitted to plead guilty while also claiming innocence, essentially admitting that the evidence would result in conviction.  They are very rarely accepted in federal courts, as I understand it.

Most times if a judge gets a whiff that the defendant is not actually guilty, or doesn't believe him or herself to be guilty, they will refuse to accept the plea.

Side track just because I recently watched it - there’s a documentary series on HBO called Paradise Lost about the “West Memphis Three”, who were three teenage boys convicted of brutally murdering some little boys in the woods behind a truck stop with no physical evidence, on the basis of a “confession” extracted from a retarded teenager after hours of interrogation and the fact that these were the metal kids in a backwards place during the satanism hysteria. They served something like 20 years before taking an Alford plea, which got one of them off of death row. Worth a rage watch, it is astonishing how fucking stupid we are.

[956 Worldwide 34822]

Just cannot get enough of this. 

GOP: Witch-hunt! Trump did nothing wrong! 
 

DJT: Look at this, look. These are secret documents. 
 

GOP: He could have packed them by accident! It’s not like he was showing everyone military secrets. 

DJT: The military did this. I shouldn’t show it to you. You know what, just don’t get too close.

GOP: He has the authority to declassify anything! 
 

DJT: I could have declassified this, but let me be clear—- I absolutely did not. 
 

GOP: You know what? GOP presidential candidates should be able to do crimes. Can we just agree on that? 

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19171]

Americans are stupid.  And water is wet.  Individuals are smart and thoughtful, but as a whole, people in general are the absolute worst.  This shouldn't be news to any of you.  

Anyways, I was on a plane when the news came down.  Glad to see this orange piece of shit is finally suffering the consequences of his fucking actions.  Now if only his cult following would have the same shit happen to them.  I am so tired of awful people.  I had an incident Memorial Day weekend where my friend and I had stopped into a pub after a Broadway Show.  My firend started talking to the man beside her.  I completely ignored their conversation until he said something idiotic like, "Trump did a much better job on the border than Biden."  I mean, come the fuck on.  A fucking wall that would never work?  What an idiot.  

Anyway, happy Indictment weekend. As bad as Nixon and Reagan are, they never would have done what Trump did.  They, like all our Presidents, had a calling to serve the country, even if their idea of how to do that was absolutely horrific.  Trump only became President to serve himself. What a piece of shit.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19171]

Also, what I have seen coming out are two things.  Thursday, the GQP was all given talking points that Biden had accepted 2 $5M payments associated with Burisma (this is what MTG and BoBo were blathering about how they went to SCIF to see this memo).  That memo was a tip the FBI got when TRUMP was President, and that Bill Barr's FBI investigaged and could not corroborate.  So all the GQP blathering, including that asshat from Kentucky Comer is about this shit. I have a feeling they knew an indictment or some bad news was coming down becuase shit really ramped up Wednesday and Thursday.

Now, I am hearing Trumpworld saying he had a right to those records under the Presidential Records Act, so that is their new talking point.  L-o-fucking-l.  These people are so incredibly stupud, it is unreal.  

[YGIFS 19453]

Their justification story will change a dozen times in the next week.  And his primary opponents will pounce in that.  And then they start blasting one another.  This is gonna be magnificent 

[SydneyCarton 48222]

6 hours ago, Gil Bang said:

 

This chick fucking crushed it. That’s how you Fox News. 

 

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19171]

I don't get the Corvette reference.  

[TwiceHorn 31629]

6 hours ago, Ted Lange said:

Stupid amnesty question.  So as a defendant you can request a trial by jury.  If cannon ends up as the judge, can Trump waive that right and the prosecution is stuck with her?  If Trump waves having a jury trial, can the prosecution then select a jury trial because Cannon is nuts.  

Yes, he can elect trial before the court and there's nothing the government can do about it.

But, assuming Smith has the goods, which I think he does, Matthew Kaczmaryk and Clarence Thomas would have to convict, let alone Aileen Mercedes Cannon.  

He'd be much better off betting on a hung jury with a magat.

[TwiceHorn 31629]

5 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

• 2% of Surly are engineers (1 member of Surly is a lawyer and an engineer, but the stats don't reflect it)
•  

Actually, more than that.  At least BrickHorn and I are engineers and lawyers.  Couple of others running around. IIRC, Brick has an MSEE, even.  Respek.

[TwiceHorn 31629]

5 hours ago, BamaATL said:

Something isn't right here to me.  I've read the indictment and as fully encompassing as it seems to be, I don't think this is the end of the document stuff, but just part of it.  For one, Meadows, who helped orchestrate the original taking of the documents isn't mentioned in the indictment (unless I missed a page).  That seems like a big missing piece of this.  I'm beginning to wonder if there are actually 2 different grand juries working on 2 different parts of this.  We obviously know about the grand jury in Florida where the indictments are happening Tuesday, but we also know of another grand jury in DC.  It was long presumed that the case would be handled in DC, but as the lawyers here made clear for venue reasons and to prevent technicalities being open to appeal, this part of the indictment was made in Florida.  A couple of questions about this:

1.  The crimes outlined in the indictment all pretty much seem to have occurred in Florida, is this because of where it happened?  (I realize some of the evidence also points to happenings in New Jersey, but mostly Florida).  

2.  Is it possible to have an entirely separate case in DC about the original theft by taking?  Basically, different crimes, different jurisdiction?  I have no idea if this is even potentially a thing.  

So basically, might this not be the end of the document scandal, but rather the beginning?

I think everyone automatically assumes that since this indictment was done that the grand jury in DC must now be fully related to Jan. 6th, is it possible that there is more than one grand jury in DC, one for more of the documents, and one for Jan. 6th?

 

Possible, yes.  I think this is it, though, for Trump and the documents.  

There's no "theft of documents" crime, per se.  18 USC 793 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793 does make it an offense to " copies, takes, makes, or obtains, or attempts to copy, take, make, or obtain" defense information.  But, I don't think they have solid evidence of knowledge and intent on the days surrounding January 20, 2021.

As we have seen with Biden and Pence, shit happens packing out, what makes it criminal is what happens later, when it's discovered.

So, although technically they could attempt to charge him with 793(b) for the initial taking, I think for evidentiary reasons (lack of) and policy reasons, they won't.

[956 Worldwide 34822]

Ben Shapiro believes that Trump took these “because he sees things he likes and takes them.”

I need to be clear that I absolutely believe this, even as “he just liked them so he took them” is not a legal defense.
 

There is an order of operations to figuring out why and how DJT does things and you should always solve for the stupidest solution first. He’s not a complicated man and there’s nothing more below the surface. 

[SydneyCarton 48222]

51 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

I don't get the Corvette reference.  

Biden found classified docs in his garage next to his vintage corvette and immediately turned them over to the government. So it’s “what about Biden.”

[gmr548 16617]

fascinating, shocking, not shocking, unbelievable, depressing  - lots.

I lost it at “this is just an excuse to cover for Biden and probably Obama too.” Of course they find a way to work Obama in here because why not?

[gmr548 16617]

 

This is one of the underrated funny parts of the C GOP reaction. An indictment doesn’t come down from Biden himself on high. Trump was indicted by a grand jury of citizens in notoriously Trump-hostile… Florida. Statistically at least half the grand jury likely either for him or is apolitical and had no real preconceived opinion.

[tx 3 putt 77624]

He’s so fucked, but his hand picked judge is about to let him play his delay game. It’s going to take at least 2 years for this trial to happen, maybe 3 

 

[locodos 5416]

16 hours ago, kevwun said:

I don't want to hear any more shit about Biden's garage.  Who the fuck stores boxes of anything like that in their bathrooms?

Reading material?  With his diet, dude has got to get board taking a growler

[Hookah Horns 3083]

2 hours ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Americans are stupid.  And water is wet.  Individuals are smart and thoughtful, but as a whole, people in general are the absolute worst.  This shouldn't be news to any of you.  

Anyways, I was on a plane when the news came down.  Glad to see this orange piece of shit is finally suffering the consequences of his fucking actions.  Now if only his cult following would have the same shit happen to them.  I am so tired of awful people.  I had an incident Memorial Day weekend where my friend and I had stopped into a pub after a Broadway Show.  My firend started talking to the man beside her.  I completely ignored their conversation until he said something idiotic like, "Trump did a much better job on the border than Biden."  I mean, come the fuck on.  A fucking wall that would never work?  What an idiot.  

Anyway, happy Indictment weekend. As bad as Nixon and Reagan are, they never would have done what Trump did.  They, like all our Presidents, had a calling to serve the country, even if their idea of how to do that was absolutely horrific.  Trump only became President to serve himself. What a piece of shit.

Couldn't even finish the ineffective wall. 

No president can really do much about the border until congress fixes immigration, which looks like it'll never happen. 

[Underdog 28811]

Trump doesn't read, he's read to. 

[tx 3 putt 77624]

The jokes write themselves …..