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[Hookah Horns 3083]

10 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

This is one of the underrated funny parts of the C GOP reaction. An indictment doesn’t come down from Biden himself on high. Trump was indicted by a grand jury of citizens in notoriously Trump-hostile… Florida. Statistically at least half the grand jury likely either for him or is apolitical and had no real preconceived opinion.

I like how they act like it's impossible that Biden had nothing to do with Trump being charged. Probably because cheeto used the DOJ as his personal brute squad. Hey dumbfucks, only your presidents seem to have trouble understanding that Justice shouldn't be used to settle personal scores for POTUS. 

[WhatTheBuck 28783]

7 hours ago, dcbc said:

I think on the federal level, the prosecution must consent to a defendant's request for a jury trial.

Trump didn’t move his permanent residence from New York to Florida because he liked the weather. 

[TwiceHorn 31486]

So here's an NYT article speculating some ways Cannon could gum up the works. https://www.textise.net/showText.aspx?strURL=https%3A//www.nytimes.com/2023/06/09/us/politics/trump-documents-judge-aileen-cannon.html#site-content

The article notes that the Clerk of SD Fla insists this was a random assignment.  Hmmm.

One thing is says is that the DC Circuit's attorney-client privilege rulings are not binding on the trial court, notably as pertains to Corcoran's notes, which clearly inform a lot of the indictment.

I don't see how that can possibly be.  The article says the DC Circuit's rulings only apply to what can be shown to a grand jury, not to a trial jury.  That don't make no sense.  Once the privilege is gone, it's gone.  There's not a/c privilege for some purposes and not others.

One notable contrast between the Special Master case and this criminal case.  The appointment of a Special Master was discretionary, and, although she was found to have abused her discretion, that still gives the judge some latitude.

There are very few decisions in a criminal case that are discretionary.  One exception is scheduling.  That's where this could go to shit.

[TwiceHorn 31486]

7 hours ago, Ted Lange said:

Stupid amnesty question.  So as a defendant you can request a trial by jury.  If cannon ends up as the judge, can Trump waive that right and the prosecution is stuck with her?  If Trump waves having a jury trial, can the prosecution then select a jury trial because Cannon is nuts.  

DCBC is right.  To waive a jury trial and try it before the Court, the government must consent and the court must approve. https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/rule_23

[WhatTheBuck 28783]

7 hours ago, Hermanator said:

 

This fucker is doing it again. The National Guard better be in place, locked, loaded, and ready to mow these fuckers down if they try to storm the courthouse. 

These idiots aren't capable of learning. Not even from the massive league trouble their fellow idiots have dealt with over the last 2 years. 

You think DeSantis is going to roll out the Florida National Guard to protect the courthouse? He’ll have a tough decision to make. He wants to win the nomination but he doesn’t want to piss off the MAGA base. He has to defend Trump publicly. I’m inclined to think he’ll gamble on chaos because he doesn’t have the guts to call out the troops. 

[Neonmoon 38129]

Cannon is going to smear feces all over this process. We know it. She knows it. Trump knows it. The goal has always been to get re-elected before prison so he can pardon himself or fire anyone, etc. 

[WhatTheBuck 28783]

2 hours ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Also, what I have seen coming out are two things.  Thursday, the GQP was all given talking points that Biden had accepted 2 $5M payments associated with Burisma (this is what MTG and BoBo were blathering about how they went to SCIF to see this memo).  That memo was a tip the FBI got when TRUMP was President, and that Bill Barr's FBI investigaged and could not corroborate.  So all the GQP blathering, including that asshat from Kentucky Comer is about this shit. I have a feeling they knew an indictment or some bad news was coming down becuase shit really ramped up Wednesday and Thursday.

Now, I am hearing Trumpworld saying he had a right to those records under the Presidential Records Act, so that is their new talking point.  L-o-fucking-l.  These people are so incredibly stupud, it is unreal.  

Yep, that’s the official talking point. I heard Steve Gruber, a conservative radio host out of Michigan whom I’d never heard of before, peddling that crap during an interview on BBC radio yesterday. He was doing his best Jim Jordan impression, talking loud and fast and not letting the interviewer get a word in. 

[WhatTheBuck 28783]

1 hour ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

I don't get the Corvette reference.  

Joe Biden has a Corvette. Slam!

[Captainant 27677]

32 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

So here's an NYT article speculating some ways Cannon could gum up the works. https://www.textise.net/showText.aspx?strURL=https%3A//www.nytimes.com/2023/06/09/us/politics/trump-documents-judge-aileen-cannon.html#site-content

The article notes that the Clerk of SD Fla insists this was a random assignment.  Hmmm.

One thing is says is that the DC Circuit's attorney-client privilege rulings are not binding on the trial court, notably as pertains to Corcoran's notes, which clearly inform a lot of the indictment.

I don't see how that can possibly be.  The article says the DC Circuit's rulings only apply to what can be shown to a grand jury, not to a trial jury.  That don't make no sense.  Once the privilege is gone, it's gone.  There's not a/c privilege for some purposes and not others.

One notable contrast between the Special Master case and this criminal case.  The appointment of a Special Master was discretionary, and, although she was found to have abused her discretion, that still gives the judge some latitude.

There are very few decisions in a criminal case that are discretionary.  One exception is scheduling.  That's where this could go to shit.

It's gonna be fun when she just starts making shit up again to fuck with and delay the process. Goddamn the simulation has to be fucking with us to just by happenstance assign this case to this specific judge. 

[speed817 19282]

7 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

• 46% of Surly are lawyers
• 46% of Surly are doctors
• 2% of Surly are both
• 2% of Surly are pilots
• 2% of Surly are engineers (1 member of Surly is a lawyer and an engineer, but the stats don't reflect it)
• 2% of Surly are in the entertainment industry
• 2% of Surly are math majors

• 99% of Surly are t-shirt fans

[TexArcher 37793]

1 hour ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Ben Shapiro believes that Trump took these “because he sees things he likes and takes them.”

I need to be clear that I absolutely believe this, even as “he just liked them so he took them” is not a legal defense.
 

There is an order of operations to figuring out why and how DJT does things and you should always solve for the stupidest solution first. He’s not a complicated man and there’s nothing more below the surface. 

I have no problem believing that he took the documents because he saw them and he liked them.  And I have no problem believing that when he was told to return the documents, he said no because he's an entitled narcissist who thinks laws don't apply to him.  That all seems to connect.

But, I also have no problem believing that he took the documents to sell them to the highest bidder, because his companies are leveraged to the hilt and the last thing a narcissist could ever endure is to be exposed as a complete fraud of a businessman by going bankrupt.

We may never know the why.  And I'm not sure it matters.  What he's done should get a man hanged by the neck until dead.

[Goredho 17406]

2 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

This chick fucking crushed it. That’s how you Fox News. 

 

LOL at her Dr Seuss opening.

He hid them here or there
He hid them almost anywhere
He hid them in his house
He hid them with his buried ex-spouse
He moved docs from box to box
And took them away via ox
Other boxes of doxes went in a car
He moved them very, very far

[Goredho 17406]

2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yes, he can elect trial before the court and there's nothing the government can do about it.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19101]

1 hour ago, SydneyCarton said:

Biden found classified docs in his garage next to his vintage corvette and immediately turned them over to the government. So it’s “what about Biden.”

Gotcha.  I knew he found some and immediately turned them over.  I missed the where.

[4th&Five 41557]

1 hour ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Ben Shapiro believes that Trump took these “because he sees things he likes and takes them.”

I need to be clear that I absolutely believe this, even as “he just liked them so he took them” is not a legal defense.
 

There is an order of operations to figuring out why and how DJT does things and you should always solve for the stupidest solution first. He’s not a complicated man and there’s nothing more below the surface. 

When you’re famous they let you. 

[Goredho 17406]

1 hour ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Ben Shapiro believes that Trump took these “because he sees things he likes and takes them.”

I need to be clear that I absolutely believe this, even as “he just liked them so he took them” is not a legal defense.
 

There is an order of operations to figuring out why and how DJT does things and you should always solve for the stupidest solution first. He’s not a complicated man and there’s nothing more below the surface. 

 

2 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

When you’re famous they let you. 

Hereafter to be known as the "Grab 'Em By The Pussy" Defense.

Edited June 10, 2023 by Goredho

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19101]

1 hour ago, Hookah Horns said:

Couldn't even finish the ineffective wall. 

No president can really do much about the border until congress fixes immigration, which looks like it'll never happen. 

Which is my point.  Congress has no desire to touch immigration.  The GQP can keep their donors happy with cheap labor and their voters happy by giving them brown people to blame their inadequecies on.  The Dems, well, I think they'd have a hard time with the progressives of their party.

[WhatTheBuck 28783]

1 hour ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Ben Shapiro believes that Trump took these “because he sees things he likes and takes them.”

I need to be clear that I absolutely believe this, even as “he just liked them so he took them” is not a legal defense.
 

There is an order of operations to figuring out why and how DJT does things and you should always solve for the stupidest solution first. He’s not a complicated man and there’s nothing more below the surface. 

Chris Christie made the same observation when he was in defense-of-Trump mode.

It’s true, Trump is a simple man and easy to figure out. He’s a serial grifter and profit motive is going to come before a desire to have a shiny object to show off to his friends. He took them because they had value. Maybe the LIV tournament deals with Trump courses and the Saudi-backed plan to build a Trump Tower Oman weren’t just payments for services rendered or a downpayment on a possible future Trump presidency. When it comes to Trump, always assume first that it’s all about the grift. 

[Snake Diggity 4625]

I don’t understand how anyone thinks that the shit being decided in the state where he has the most ardent supporters by a judge he appointed has any chance of resulting in a relatively bad outcome for Trump.  I don’t see any chance whatsoever this prevents him from getting the GOP nomination and I don’t at all see this being the deciding factor  in whether or not he wins the general election.

Once J6 happened and he survived politically, it was clear that truth and morality are no longer playing a role.

[DaysOff 7951]

8 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

• 46% of Surly are lawyers
• 46% of Surly are doctors
• 2% of Surly are both
• 2% of Surly are pilots
• 2% of Surly are engineers (1 member of Surly is a lawyer and an engineer, but the stats don't reflect it)
• 2% of Surly are in the entertainment industry
• 2% of Surly are math majors

 

I once had a first officer that was an anesthesiologist as his side gig. I pass gas as well.

[WhatTheBuck 28783]

12 minutes ago, Goredho said:

So said this guy on Jan. 6, 2021.

[DaysOff 7951]

The amount of microscopic fecal matter on those bathroom docs makes me shiver. They should be shredded and burned.

[aggie08 21504]

3 hours ago, YGIFS said:

Their justification story will change a dozen times in the next week.  And his primary opponents will pounce in that.  And then they start blasting one another.  This is gonna be magnificent 

No, they won’t. Other than Christie, they all have to publicly lament the injustice of all this and Biden’s corrupt DOJ in transparent (and unsuccessful) attempts to spread their ass cheeks for MAGA. They’ll carry Trump’s water while privately praying that Smith finishes the deed. 

[BamaATL 16593]

2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Possible, yes.  I think this is it, though, for Trump and the documents.  

There's no "theft of documents" crime, per se.  18 USC 793 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793 does make it an offense to " copies, takes, makes, or obtains, or attempts to copy, take, make, or obtain" defense information.  But, I don't think they have solid evidence of knowledge and intent on the days surrounding January 20, 2021.

As we have seen with Biden and Pence, shit happens packing out, what makes it criminal is what happens later, when it's discovered.

So, although technically they could attempt to charge him with 793(b) for the initial taking, I think for evidentiary reasons (lack of) and policy reasons, they won't.

Ok, so that makes sense.  The entire time I was reading the indictment I kept thinking to myself that the initial taking was still a crime, but given that everyone seems to accidentally leave with stuff that would make some sense.  It's a crime, but intent is really difficult to prove, unless of course he said to steal them on tape, despite protests from his attorneys, then he acknowledge that he was in fact stealing them.  

Not that he has a history of something like that now.  

[NWBuck 8569]

2 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

There is an order of operations to figuring out why and how DJT does things and you should always solve for the stupidest solution first.

 

He’s not a complicated man and there’s nothing more below the surface. 

Dotard's Razor

[texastough 1129]

10 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

This thread is both hilarious and educational for us non-lawyer types.
 

I'm a little late to the party, but this is an incredible thread, summary of the indictment. He is so fucked

[NWBuck 8569]

The boxes of doxes in the shitter... You don't think he was trying to get rid of them? 

Trump tried to flush documents down White House toilet, new photos show

[Party_Taco 3732]

Cannon is going to smear feces all over this process. We know it. She knows it. Trump knows it. The goal has always been to get re-elected before prison so he can pardon himself or fire anyone, etc. 

Twice, is there any way for the prosecution to remove Cannon from the process, or swiftly move through her various stalling tactics by appealing to a higher court?

Her bias seems quite clear at this point, so it stuns that DOJ can’t somehow push for her recusal.

[Brisketexan 105151]

Yes, he can elect trial before the court and there's nothing the government can do about it.
But, assuming Smith has the goods, which I think he does, Matthew Kaczmaryk and Clarence Thomas would have to convict, let alone Aileen Mercedes Cannon.  
He'd be much better off betting on a hung jury with a magat.

Bullshit. If he somehow gets a bench trial, 100% change she acquits. She’s a crooked judge. Ask yourself “how would this work in a banana republic,” and you have your answer.

He’s so fucked, but his hand picked judge is about to let him play his delay game. It’s going to take at least 2 years for this trial to happen, maybe 3 
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And absolutely this - this is the real game. Just delay it all till he walks away with the GQP nomination, and then GQP state legislatures and the SCOTUS declare him POTUS.

So here's an NYT article speculating some ways Cannon could gum up the works. https://www.textise.net/showText.aspx?strURL=https%3A//www.nytimes.com/2023/06/09/us/politics/trump-documents-judge-aileen-cannon.html#site-content
The article notes that the Clerk of SD Fla insists this was a random assignment.  Hmmm.
One thing is says is that the DC Circuit's attorney-client privilege rulings are not binding on the trial court, notably as pertains to Corcoran's notes, which clearly inform a lot of the indictment.
I don't see how that can possibly be.  The article says the DC Circuit's rulings only apply to what can be shown to a grand jury, not to a trial jury.  That don't make no sense.  Once the privilege is gone, it's gone.  There's not a/c privilege for some purposes and not others.
One notable contrast between the Special Master case and this criminal case.  The appointment of a Special Master was discretionary, and, although she was found to have abused her discretion, that still gives the judge some latitude.
There are very few decisions in a criminal case that are discretionary.  One exception is scheduling.  That's where this could go to shit.

Exactly. That is the play.

DCBC is right.  To waive a jury trial and try it before the Court, the government must consent and the court must approve. https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/rule_23

I did not know that, that’s actually good news. Still, the delay is the game.

Cannon is going to smear feces all over this process. We know it. She knows it. Trump knows it. The goal has always been to get re-elected before prison so he can pardon himself or fire anyone, etc. 

Yep.

I don’t understand how anyone thinks that the shit being decided in the state where he has the most ardent supporters by a judge he appointed has any chance of resulting in a relatively bad outcome for Trump.  I don’t see any chance whatsoever this prevents him from getting the GOP nomination and I don’t at all see this being the deciding factor  in whether or not he wins the general election.
Once J6 happened and he survived politically, it was clear that truth and morality are no longer playing a role.

Diggity gets it. We are in a post-truth, post-rule of law world. It’s undeniable.

So said this guy on Jan. 6, 2021.

I wish a Rudy was. Running a blade through that deranged fuckstick in single combat would be the best moment of my life.

Dotard's Razor

Goddamn. This sequence is perfect. It really should be written as a rule.

[RomaVicta 29909]

11 hours ago, Hookah Horns said:

The thing that really kills me is these worthless un-American shitbag fucksticks really think they're patriots. 

That's the part that makes them argument-proof. Limbaugh brainwashed them into the delusion that "liberals" and "leberalism" are not just wrong but actively working against Americans to enslave them. That's now dogma to the cult. If the ebil libs are the enemy, then I must be the patriot defending America. It's easy to identify the enemy because he's the one who disagrees with what I know.

They can't even define the words they use. It's a very cohesive mob.

10 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

It's the fact that they think they'd survive in a fight with the government, whether it be county, state, or feds, that gets me.

At a visceral level, I wanted to see the government mow down the traitors attacking the Capitol. I feel the same about open carry cosplay soldiers showing up the intimidate the court and turning violent. They ask for it. They get it.

I think the restraint on the part of the Capitol Police, heroic restraint, served this country better in the long run. 

I start imagining the images of open gun violence and dead citizens littering the ground and it's sickening. They deserve it, but I'd rather delay that necessity for as long as we can. It will lead to a drastic increase in domestic terrorism as the patriots defending America from bad guys will take up cowardly attacks on family members of those in government.

If we can just ease this spikey turd out of our system without fatally damaging ourselves, we should try to do it. That means restraint up to the same point Ashli Babbit found out. Okay, your close to getting your hands on an official. Have some of this.

But the visceral desire to kill them all before they kill the republic is strong. 

[I see @Brisketexan takes the harder tone. It's difficult to deny.]

 

 

Edited June 10, 2023 by RomaVicta

[Celery Man 20960]

It mentioned security footage of the body man moving the boxes around - I wonder if they were able to get footage of anyone else investigating the boxes, if they have security footage from a narrow window/narrow bit of the home or if they’ve reviewed for curious wanderers walking up to the stage, etc

[Brisketexan 105151]

At a visceral level, I wanted to see the government mow down the traitors attacking the Capitol. I feel the same about open carry cosplay soldiers showing up the intimidate the court and turning violent. They ask for it. They get it.
I think the restraint on the part of the Capitol Police, heroic restraint, served this country better in the long run. 
I start imagining the images of open gun violence and dead citizens littering the ground and it's sickening. They deserve it, but I'd rather delay that necessity for as long as we can. It will lead to a drastic increase in domestic terrorism as the patriots defending America from bad guys will take up cowardly attacks on family members of those in government.
If we can just ease this spikey turd out of our system without fatally damaging ourselves, we should try to do it. That means restraint up to the same point Ashli Babbit found out. Okay, your close to getting your hands on an official. Have some of this.
But the visceral desire to kill them all before they kill the republic is strong. 
 
 
 

It is strong….because it is right.
Traitors take up arms against my country, traitors get dead. Let’s stack the dead traitors up like it was Gettysburg.
You don’t reason with violent traitors. You kill them.

[Bullneck 19100]

16 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

I think the restraint on the part of the Capitol Police, heroic restraint, served this country better in the long run. 

I think a few well aimed shots to the face would have really convinced a lot of those peaceful tourists to leave immediately and head on home.

[Red Five 40859]

One shot to Babbitt's neck certainly stopped them at that point. 

[Gatorubet 30241]

No, they won’t. Other than Christie, they all have to publicly lament the injustice of all this and Biden’s corrupt DOJ in transparent (and unsuccessful) attempts to spread their ass cheeks for MAGA. They’ll carry Trump’s water while privately praying that Smith finishes the deed. 

Who cares if every single Maga supporter vote for him again, he will lose the election bigly. Every hard-core Maggat person I know is still for him. Every liberal person I know will not vote for him, but I also know a lot of blue dog Democrats and now-rare liberal to moderate Republicans….as well as a bunch of former Republicans, who just can’t stand their party anymore and are independent. NONE of that last group like Trump. And I know a lot of people in the former-Republican-who-registered-independent crew eight years later, and you could not pay them to elect Trump.
So fuck the Trumpers - all we need are the independents to read the indictment and act accordingly.That plus pissed-off Roe v Wade wimmins and the always increased voting as they age young people (coupled with the dirt napping of his core voters due to 8 years from 2016 olds) and we are on the good path again. We only needed a couple % points in a few states in 2016 - Trump’s high water mark. 
The GOP is now forced to support Trump on this, and this sack of shit will bring pain to the down ballot races, just like he did in Georgia.

[chainsaw 9869]

2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

So here's an NYT article speculating some ways Cannon could gum up the works. https://www.textise.net/showText.aspx?strURL=https%3A//www.nytimes.com/2023/06/09/us/politics/trump-documents-judge-aileen-cannon.html#site-content

The article notes that the Clerk of SD Fla insists this was a random assignment.  Hmmm.

One thing is says is that the DC Circuit's attorney-client privilege rulings are not binding on the trial court, notably as pertains to Corcoran's notes, which clearly inform a lot of the indictment.

I don't see how that can possibly be.  The article says the DC Circuit's rulings only apply to what can be shown to a grand jury, not to a trial jury.  That don't make no sense.  Once the privilege is gone, it's gone.  There's not a/c privilege for some purposes and not others.

One notable contrast between the Special Master case and this criminal case.  The appointment of a Special Master was discretionary, and, although she was found to have abused her discretion, that still gives the judge some latitude.

There are very few decisions in a criminal case that are discretionary.  One exception is scheduling.  That's where this could go to shit.

I think that's why basically the only substantive thing Jack Smith said to the press was "speedy trial" and then walked off from the podium. If I'm him, I hope the press echo chamber runs with that.

[Dbeasy 15051]

5 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

Who cares if every single Maga supporter vote for him again, he will lose the election bigly. Every hard-core Maggat person I know is still for him. Every liberal person I know will not vote for him, but I also know a lot of blue dog Democrats and now-rare liberal to moderate Republicans….as well as a bunch of former Republicans, who just can’t stand their party anymore and are independent. NONE of that last group like Trump. And I know a lot of people in the former-Republican-who-registered-independent crew eight years later, and you could not pay them to elect Trump.
So fuck the Trumpers - all we need are the independents to read the indictment and act accordingly.That plus pissed-off Roe v Wade wimmins and the always increased voting as they age young people (coupled with the dirt napping of his core voters due to 8 years from 2016 olds) and we are on the good path again. We only needed a couple % points in a few states in 2016 - Trump’s high water mark. 
The GOP is now forced to support Trump on this, and this sack of shit will bring pain to the down ballot races, just like he did in Georgia.

As I’ve said multiple times, I am the demographic that decides elections. And if that continues to hold, there should be no way he wins, unless the primary competitors and Biden somehow outrageously shit the bed. I will vote for a weekend at Bernie’s candidate over Trump. 

[C-Man 27230]

Apologies if this has already been posted

[Chooky 13307]

I read the indictment. It's insane. It's so insane that the only thing crazier is that he's made it this far. That fact is now a different indictment on everything within the system of checks and balances. And it's that strain of insanity that makes it possible for even more. 

Judge Cannon. That's the craziest shit out of all. They are not concerned how brazen it has to be anymore. She will openly deliver the "nothingburger." 

[chainsaw 9869]

1 hour ago, Snake Diggity said:

I don’t understand how anyone thinks that the shit being decided in the state where he has the most ardent supporters by a judge he appointed has any chance of resulting in a relatively bad outcome for Trump.  I don’t see any chance whatsoever this prevents him from getting the GOP nomination and I don’t at all see this being the deciding factor  in whether or not he wins the general election.

Once J6 happened and he survived politically, it was clear that truth and morality are no longer playing a role.

He survived politically because his party has no alternatives and no backbone. Apparently the venue county preferred Biden by a slim margin. So a jury of 12 people from there is not going to simply roll over for Trump.

By the way lost in all the hubbub is the fact that this was basically banked on by DeSantis and his financial supporters like a blue shell in Mario Kart. He's trying not to revel too much in this for fear of alienating the people who would need to switch their support in the primary, but make no mistake, this is the most important event for DeSantis's campaign manager.

[Gatorubet 30241]

Man, I was thinking about this last night. Canon is getting excoriated by every talking head on every network. Imagine if you were her watching everyone in the country commenting that you are a political hack who fucked things up the first time - with most people assuming she has so little morals or ethics that she’s gonna do it again.

She may be unredeemable and stupid and corrupt. But most people in her situation would have some sense of going down in history as a piece of shit who defended the man who endangered his country. You might say she has no problem with that as long as Trump puts her on the 11th Circuit as soon as he is elected. I think there is at least as good chance that she not does want her name forever attached as a corrupt and incompetent buffoon.

 Like most Trump supporters, she is a selfish piece of crap. Being a selfish person in that situation, I’ll make the bet that she’s self-recuses in light of the uniform attacks on her yesterday and today.  Not because it’s the right thing, but because she knows that piece of crap is not getting reelected -and so she needs to end her connection with him for her own good

 

[G650 14263]

4 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

 Like most Trump supporters, she is a selfish piece of crap. Being a selfish person in that situation, I’ll make the bet that she’s self-recuses in light of the uniform attacks on her yesterday and today.  Not because it’s the right thing, but because she knows that piece of crap is not getting reelected -and so she needs to end her connection with him for her own good

 

This is my feeling as well. And I think people will suggest this to her

[chainsaw 9869]

3 minutes ago, G650 said:

 

This is my feeling as well. And I think people will suggest this to her

I don't think she will recuse voluntarily.

[SydneyCarton 48108]

9 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

Man, I was thinking about this last night. Canon is getting excoriated by every talking head on every network. Imagine if you were her watching everyone in the country commenting that you are a political hack who fucked things up the first time - with most people assuming she has so little morals or ethics that she’s gonna do it again.

She may be unredeemable and stupid and corrupt. But most people in her situation would have some sense of going down in history as a piece of shit who defended the man who endangered his country. You might say she has no problem with that as long as Trump puts her on the 11th Circuit as soon as he is elected. I think there is at least as good chance that she not does want her name forever attached as a corrupt and incompetent buffoon.

 Like most Trump supporters, she is a selfish piece of crap. Being a selfish person in that situation, I’ll make the bet that she’s self-recuses in light of the uniform attacks on her yesterday and today.  Not because it’s the right thing, but because she knows that piece of crap is not getting reelected -and so she needs to end her connection with him for her own good

 

Caveat, unless she’s a true believer who thinks she’s saving the country. The real problem here is most of these fucks BELIEVE the shit they peddle. Not trump. But his morons often do. 
 

and no matter what, even if she recuses herself, she’s tied to this shit bag forever.  If she steps aside, then MAGA country will always think of her as a traitor, and probably try to pop her at some point. 

[deech 2275]

She'll never recuse herself.   It's laughable that anyone thinks she would.  The last few opinions she wrote in Trump matters should tell you all that you need to know about what she is going to do. 

[Chooky 13307]

10 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

I don't think she will recuse voluntarily.

She won't. They don't care. The stark bias is almost a bonus for them. And even if it ever feels too visible they can "what about" their tits off into eternity. Cannon will sprinkle maga turds all over this. 

[Red Five 40859]

So can we expect a trial date of approximately February of 2025?

[HenryJames 66075]

1 minute ago, Red Five said:

So can we expect a trial date of approximately February of 2025?

Yeah it will be after the election.

[Hermanator 7050]

24 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

Man, I was thinking about this last night. Canon is getting excoriated by every talking head on every network. Imagine if you were her watching everyone in the country commenting that you are a political hack who fucked things up the first time - with most people assuming she has so little morals or ethics that she’s gonna do it again.

She may be unredeemable and stupid and corrupt. But most people in her situation would have some sense of going down in history as a piece of shit who defended the man who endangered his country. You might say she has no problem with that as long as Trump puts her on the 11th Circuit as soon as he is elected. I think there is at least as good chance that she not does want her name forever attached as a corrupt and incompetent buffoon.

 Like most Trump supporters, she is a selfish piece of crap. Being a selfish person in that situation, I’ll make the bet that she’s self-recuses in light of the uniform attacks on her yesterday and today.  Not because it’s the right thing, but because she knows that piece of crap is not getting reelected -and so she needs to end her connection with him for her own good

 

Her actions here will definitely show how deep in the Mickey D's filled asshole her head resides. Is she willing to risk professional suicide on the seemingly low chance Trump is re-elected after all of this plus his violent overthrow attempt after he lost the last time? 

What is the recourse available to Smith if she does obviously obstruct the prosecution? Given the indictment information if Smith has all of that nailed down she'd have to go way out of her way to mess it up. It would be painfully obvious what she's doing. 

[Beau Vine 54231]

28 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

Man, I was thinking about this last night. Canon is getting excoriated by every talking head on every network. Imagine if you were her watching everyone in the country commenting that you are a political hack who fucked things up the first time - with most people assuming she has so little morals or ethics that she’s gonna do it again.

She may be unredeemable and stupid and corrupt. But most people in her situation would have some sense of going down in history as a piece of shit who defended the man who endangered his country. You might say she has no problem with that as long as Trump puts her on the 11th Circuit as soon as he is elected. I think there is at least as good chance that she not does want her name forever attached as a corrupt and incompetent buffoon.

 Like most Trump supporters, she is a selfish piece of crap. Being a selfish person in that situation, I’ll make the bet that she’s self-recuses in light of the uniform attacks on her yesterday and today.  Not because it’s the right thing, but because she knows that piece of crap is not getting reelected -and so she needs to end her connection with him for her own good

 

She's a Trumpanzee.  You will quickly go broke betting on people like her to do the right thing.  The talking heads are being mean to her?   Fake news!