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He was probably like, wait, wait, if I just say I feel, I can say all the crazy stuff I was too cautious to say before.
Yes, my crazy ex learned that in "therapy." "I feel like I hate your guts; I feel like I'm entitled to not half, but all your shit, I feel like I should get full custody and alimony." it wasn't very effective for her, but we should give dotard a chance here to hone this new measured speach craft. "I feel like I should be allowed to commit murder, rape and treason as often as I want". It just might bring decorum to acceptable levels.
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Sounds like we agree the recording is a nothing to the case. 
Stop fucking that chicken. Or start a Slacks wants to keep fucking this Trump Audio Tape that is a bit part of all his admitted crimes chicken thread. Maybe workshop the title though.
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In a phone call in late 2020, President Donald Trump tried to pressure Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey (R) to overturn the state’s presidential election results, saying that if enough fraudulent votes could be found it would overcome Trump’s narrow loss in Arizona, according to three people familiar with the call.

Trump also repeatedly asked Vice President Mike Pence to call Ducey and prod him to find the evidence to substantiate Trump’s claims of fraud, according to two of these people. Pence called Ducey several times to discuss the election, they said, though he did not follow Trump’s directions to pressure the governor.

 

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The extent of Trump’s efforts to cajole Ducey into helping him stay in power have not before been reported, even as other efforts by Trump’s lawyer and allies to pressure Arizona officials have been made public. Ducey told reporters in December 2020 that he and Trump had spoken, but he declined to disclose the contents of the call then or in the more than two years since. Although he disagreed with Trump about the outcome of the election, Ducey has sought to avoid a public battle with Trump.

 

 

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Ducey described the “pressure” he was under after Trump’s loss to a prominent Republican donor over a meal in Arizona earlier this year, according to the donor, who like others interviewed for this story spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private conversations. The account was confirmed by others aware of the call. Ducey told the donor he was surprised that special counsel Jack Smith’s team had not inquired about his phone calls with Trump and Pence as part of the Justice Department’s investigation into the former president’s attempt to overturn the 2020 election, the donor said.

 

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Ducey did not record the call, people familiar with the matter said.

Now out of public office, the former governor declined through a spokesman to answer specific questions about his interactions with Trump and his administration.

“This is neither new nor is it news to anyone following this issue the last two years,” spokesman Daniel Scarpinato said in a statement. “Governor Ducey defended the results of Arizona’s 2020 election, he certified the election, and he made it clear that the certification provided a trigger for credible complaints backed by evidence to be brought forward. None were ever brought forward. The Governor stands by his action to certify the election and considers the issue to be in the rear view mirror.”

A spokesman for Trump declined to respond to questions about the call with Ducey and instead falsely declared in a statement that “the 2020 Presidential election was rigged and stolen.” The spokesman said Trump should be credited for “doing the right thing — working to make sure that all the fraud was investigated and dealt with.”

It is unclear if Ducey has been contacted by Smith’s office since meeting with the donor. Investigators in the special counsel’s office have asked witnesses about Trump’s calls with governors, including the one to Ducey, according to two people familiar with the matter. It is unclear if prosecutors plan to eventually bring charges or how the calls figure into their investigation. Prosecutors have also shown interest in Trump’s efforts to conscript Pence into helping him, according to witnesses and subpoenas previously reviewed by The Washington Post.

Trump phoned the governor’s cellphone on Nov. 30, 2020, as Ducey was in the middle of signing documents certifying President Biden’s win in the state during a live-streamed video ceremony. Trump’s outreach was immediately clear to those watching. They heard “Hail to the Chief” play on the governor’s ringtone. Ducey pulled his phone from out of his suit jacket, muted the incoming call and put his phone aside. On Dec. 2, he told reporters he spoke to the president after the ceremony, but he declined to fully detail the nature of the conversation. Ducey said the president had “an inquisitive mind” but did not ask the governor to withhold his signature certifying the election results.

But four people familiar with the call said Trump spoke specifically about his shortfall of more than 10,000 votes in Arizona and then espoused a range of false claims that would show he overwhelmingly won the election in the state and encouraged Ducey to study them. At the time, Trump’s attorneys and allies spread false claims to explain his loss, including that voters who had died and noncitizens had cast ballots.

After Trump’s call to Ducey, Trump directed Pence, a former governor who had known Ducey for years, to frequently check in with the governor for any progress on uncovering claims of voting improprieties, according to two people with knowledge of the effort.

Pence was expected to report back his findings and was peppered with conspiracy theories from Trump and his team, the person said. Pence did not pressure Ducey, but told him to please call if he found anything because Trump was looking for evidence, according to those familiar with the calls.

A representative for Pence declined to comment.

In each of the calls, Ducey reiterated that officials in the state had searched for alleged widespread illegal activity and followed up on every lead but had not discovered anything that would have changed the outcome of the election results, according to Ducey’s recounting to the donor.

After learning that Ducey was not being supportive of his claims, Trump grew angry and publicly attacked him.

It is unclear if Ducey and Trump had additional conversations. Publicly, the governor said the state’s election systems should be trusted, even as Trump and his allies sought to reverse his loss.

 

In Arizona, Trump and his attorney, Rudy Giuliani, called then Speaker of the House Rusty Bowers (R) on Nov. 22, 2020. They asked the speaker to convene the legislature to investigate their unsubstantiated claims of voter fraud, which included that votes had been cast en masse by undocumented immigrants and in the names of deceased people. Weeks later, on Dec. 31, 2020 the White House switchboard left a message for the chair of the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors, Clint Hickman, seeking to connect him with Trump. The supervisor, a Republican, did not return the call.

Trump and his allies made similar appeals to officials in Michigan and Georgia. On Jan. 2, 2021, Trump called Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger (R) and said he wanted to undo his loss there by finding additional votes. The next night, the White House switchboard left Hickman another voice mail seeking to connect him to Trump. Hickman did not call back.

Investigators with Smith’s office interviewed Raffensperger this week, and they interviewed Giuliani last week. “The appearance was entirely voluntary and conducted in a professional manner,” said Giuliani spokesman Ted Goodman.

More than half a dozen past and current officials in Arizona contacted by Trump or his allies after his defeat have either been interviewed by Smith’s team or have received grand jury subpoenas seeking records,according to four people familiar with the interviews. Those interviewed include Bowers, the former Arizona House speaker, and three current members of the governing board of Maricopa County, the largest voting jurisdiction in the state that affirmed that Biden won.

Spokespeople for Arizona Gov. Katie Hobbs (D) and Arizona Attorney General Kris Mayes (D), told The Post this week that their offices have not received correspondence from Smith’s team seeking records about the 2020 election. The Arizona Secretary of State’s office received a grand jury subpoena dated Nov. 22, 2022, that sought information about communications with Trump, his campaign and his representatives, according to an official familiar with the document but not authorized to publicly speak about it.

During his time as governor, Ducey navigated a hot-and-cold relationship with Trump. Ducey, who struck a more conventional approach to governing, was slow to embrace Trump during his first bid for the White House. The two men warmed to each other, and amid the pandemic and Trump’s second bid for the White House, Ducey campaigned for him.

But after Ducey certified Arizona’s election results, affirming the wins of Biden and other Democrats, Trump ridiculed him on social media: “Why is he rushing to put a Democrat in office, especially when so many horrible things concerning voter fraud are being revealed at the hearing going on right now … What is going on with @dougducey?”

That same day, allies of the president gathered in Phoenix to air unproven claims of widespread fraud and claim that state lawmakers could reject the will of voters. Giuliani attended the event, along with Republican lawmakers and activists; Trump dialed in.

The president invoked Ducey repeatedly in the days that followed, according to an archive of his tweets. On Dec. 3, Trump asked if “allowing a strong check of ballots” in Arizona would “be easier on him and the great State of Arizona.” On Dec. 5, Trump wrote that Ducey and Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp (R) “fight harder against us than do the Radical Left Dems.”

A week later, Trump attacked the men again, asking “Who is a worse governor?” He labeled them “RINO Republicans” and baselessly claimed that “They allowed states that I won easily to be stolen.”

Ducey, long eyed by national Republicans as a formidable candidate for the U.S. Senate, passed on a 2024 bid after his standing with the Trump base cratered after Trump’s attacks. After leaving office in January, he was a fellow at the Sine Institute of Policy & Politics at American University, where he spoke about the policies he enacted while in office. Earlier this month, Ducey announced that he is leading a free-enterprise focused political action committee, Citizens for Free Enterprise.

 

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It has been reported that the Iran doc is not among those cited in the indictment and forming the bases of the 793 violations, and that no one can find it.

So, yeah, that tape is not going to help convict him of any single count of the indictment, but it does evidence that he knew he had classified information, knew he shouldn't have it, and didn't give a fuck.  

 

But we don't know what's on the document. We suspect what's on the document, but it's uncertain, so

I don't know.

Third base!

 

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Ducey did not record the call, people familiar with the matter said.

Now out of public office, the former governor declined through a spokesman to answer specific questions about his interactions with Trump and his administration.

“This is neither new nor is it news to anyone following this issue the last two years,” spokesman Daniel Scarpinato said in a statement. “Governor Ducey defended the results of Arizona’s 2020 election, he certified the election, and he made it clear that the certification provided a trigger for credible complaints backed by evidence to be brought forward. None were ever brought forward. The Governor stands by his action to certify the election and considers the issue to be in the rear view mirror.”

A spokesman for Trump declined to respond to questions about the call with Ducey and instead falsely declared in a statement that “the 2020 Presidential election was rigged and stolen.” The spokesman said Trump should be credited for “doing the right thing — working to make sure that all the fraud was investigated and dealt with.”

It is unclear if Ducey has been contacted by Smith’s office since meeting with the donor. Investigators in the special counsel’s office have asked witnesses about Trump’s calls with governors, including the one to Ducey, according to two people familiar with the matter. It is unclear if prosecutors plan to eventually bring charges or how the calls figure into their investigation. Prosecutors have also shown interest in Trump’s efforts to conscript Pence into helping him, according to witnesses and subpoenas previously reviewed by The Washington Post.

Trump phoned the governor’s cellphone on Nov. 30, 2020, as Ducey was in the middle of signing documents certifying President Biden’s win in the state during a live-streamed video ceremony. Trump’s outreach was immediately clear to those watching. They heard “Hail to the Chief” play on the governor’s ringtone. Ducey pulled his phone from out of his suit jacket, muted the incoming call and put his phone aside. On Dec. 2, he told reporters he spoke to the president after the ceremony, but he declined to fully detail the nature of the conversation. Ducey said the president had “an inquisitive mind” but did not ask the governor to withhold his signature certifying the election results.

But four people familiar with the call said Trump spoke specifically about his shortfall of more than 10,000 votes in Arizona and then espoused a range of false claims that would show he overwhelmingly won the election in the state and encouraged Ducey to study them. At the time, Trump’s attorneys and allies spread false claims to explain his loss, including that voters who had died and noncitizens had cast ballots.

After Trump’s call to Ducey, Trump directed Pence, a former governor who had known Ducey for years, to frequently check in with the governor for any progress on uncovering claims of voting improprieties, according to two people with knowledge of the effort.

Pence was expected to report back his findings and was peppered with conspiracy theories from Trump and his team, the person said. Pence did not pressure Ducey, but told him to please call if he found anything because Trump was looking for evidence, according to those familiar with the calls.

A representative for Pence declined to comment.

In each of the calls, Ducey reiterated that officials in the state had searched for alleged widespread illegal activity and followed up on every lead but had not discovered anything that would have changed the outcome of the election results, according to Ducey’s recounting to the donor.

After learning that Ducey was not being supportive of his claims, Trump grew angry and publicly attacked him.

It is unclear if Ducey and Trump had additional conversations. Publicly, the governor said the state’s election systems should be trusted, even as Trump and his allies sought to reverse his loss.

 

In Arizona, Trump and his attorney, Rudy Giuliani, called then Speaker of the House Rusty Bowers (R) on Nov. 22, 2020. They asked the speaker to convene the legislature to investigate their unsubstantiated claims of voter fraud, which included that votes had been cast en masse by undocumented immigrants and in the names of deceased people. Weeks later, on Dec. 31, 2020 the White House switchboard left a message for the chair of the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors, Clint Hickman, seeking to connect him with Trump. The supervisor, a Republican, did not return the call.

Trump and his allies made similar appeals to officials in Michigan and Georgia. On Jan. 2, 2021, Trump called Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger (R) and said he wanted to undo his loss there by finding additional votes. The next night, the White House switchboard left Hickman another voice mail seeking to connect him to Trump. Hickman did not call back.

Investigators with Smith’s office interviewed Raffensperger this week, and they interviewed Giuliani last week. “The appearance was entirely voluntary and conducted in a professional manner,” said Giuliani spokesman Ted Goodman.

More than half a dozen past and current officials in Arizona contacted by Trump or his allies after his defeat have either been interviewed by Smith’s team or have received grand jury subpoenas seeking records,according to four people familiar with the interviews. Those interviewed include Bowers, the former Arizona House speaker, and three current members of the governing board of Maricopa County, the largest voting jurisdiction in the state that affirmed that Biden won.

Spokespeople for Arizona Gov. Katie Hobbs (D) and Arizona Attorney General Kris Mayes (D), told The Post this week that their offices have not received correspondence from Smith’s team seeking records about the 2020 election. The Arizona Secretary of State’s office received a grand jury subpoena dated Nov. 22, 2022, that sought information about communications with Trump, his campaign and his representatives, according to an official familiar with the document but not authorized to publicly speak about it.

During his time as governor, Ducey navigated a hot-and-cold relationship with Trump. Ducey, who struck a more conventional approach to governing, was slow to embrace Trump during his first bid for the White House. The two men warmed to each other, and amid the pandemic and Trump’s second bid for the White House, Ducey campaigned for him.

But after Ducey certified Arizona’s election results, affirming the wins of Biden and other Democrats, Trump ridiculed him on social media: “Why is he rushing to put a Democrat in office, especially when so many horrible things concerning voter fraud are being revealed at the hearing going on right now … What is going on with @dougducey?”

That same day, allies of the president gathered in Phoenix to air unproven claims of widespread fraud and claim that state lawmakers could reject the will of voters. Giuliani attended the event, along with Republican lawmakers and activists; Trump dialed in.

The president invoked Ducey repeatedly in the days that followed, according to an archive of his tweets. On Dec. 3, Trump asked if “allowing a strong check of ballots” in Arizona would “be easier on him and the great State of Arizona.” On Dec. 5, Trump wrote that Ducey and Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp (R) “fight harder against us than do the Radical Left Dems.”

A week later, Trump attacked the men again, asking “Who is a worse governor?” He labeled them “RINO Republicans” and baselessly claimed that “They allowed states that I won easily to be stolen.”

Ducey, long eyed by national Republicans as a formidable candidate for the U.S. Senate, passed on a 2024 bid after his standing with the Trump base cratered after Trump’s attacks. After leaving office in January, he was a fellow at the Sine Institute of Policy & Politics at American University, where he spoke about the policies he enacted while in office. Earlier this month, Ducey announced that he is leading a free-enterprise focused political action committee, Citizens for Free Enterprise.

 

Unless there's some hard evidence Smith has that we don't I don't think this Arizona thing is going to go anywhere. Sounds like Trump tried to pressure the guy, the guy mostly ignored him, Trump started attacking him on social media, and the guy said fuck this bullshit and bailed out of republican politics for the time being. 

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Unless there's some hard evidence Smith has that we don't I don't think this Arizona thing is going to go anywhere. Sounds like Trump tried to pressure the guy, the guy mostly ignored him, Trump started attacking him on social media, and the guy said fuck this bullshit and bailed out of republican politics for the time being. 

What statute do you think is most applicable here and what evidence is currently lacking, in your opinion. You might be correct, but none of have any idea what the evidence is/isn’t in some hypothetical unfolded case.

Maybe the AZ stuff is useful/relevant to a more general overarching charge that includes the AZ conduct lumped in with other acts.
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Unless there's some hard evidence Smith has that we don't I don't think this Arizona thing is going to go anywhere. Sounds like Trump tried to pressure the guy, the guy mostly ignored him, Trump started attacking him on social media, and the guy said fuck this bullshit and bailed out of republican politics for the time being. 

They are definitely investigating the Arizona "audit". The FBI subpoenaed Cyber Ninjas and their subcontractors months ago. 

I'm not comfortable disclosing how I know this, but I do and the info is 100% reliable. The only thing I'm willing to say it that it's from someone that is intimately involved and that would absolutely know. 

I don't know what the subpoenas turned up, or what the FBI is going to do with anything that does turn up, but they are investigating. 

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I have no idea what they're investigating or what evidence they have. Just was talking about what the story linked above mentioned about the Arizona governor. If that's accurate it may be tough to nail trump on much there unless there's extra evidence we don't know about. 

 

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Were there fake electors in Arizona?  I assume so, but don't recall specifically.

Most election crimes are going to be state-law crimes, I think, because of the nature of even federal elections, see, e.g. Moore v. Harper.  And poring over most collections of state statutes for prospective crimes isn't something most are willing to tackle, although Eisen & Co. have taken a stab at at for Georgia.  Hell, DAs in most of the jurisdictions probably aren't even that familiar with election crimes outside of casting a ballot as an ineligible voter in sycophant jurisdictions anxious to try to prove some kind of vote fraud.

I have seen some theories that the sending of false electors to the National Archives may be tackled at the federal level as some sort of wire or mail fraud, but those usually require a scheme to defraud involving property or money, and DOJ has failed a lot recently to stretch those statutes to other things (honest services fraud, university admissions, etc.).

And, of course, I think the false electors, even if not criminal in and of itself, are an element of a conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding on January 6, along with the browbeating of Pence and other things.  And, even apart from conspiracy, it shows an intent by Trump to obstruct as part of a larger scheme to attempt to hijack the election.  So, it's kind of important to figure out where the bear shit in the buckwheat on all of this, even if charges other than 1/6 don't emerge.

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Were there fake electors in Arizona?  I assume so, but don't recall specifically.

Most election crimes are going to be state-law crimes, I think, because of the nature of even federal elections, see, e.g. Moore v. Harper.  And poring over most collections of state statutes for prospective crimes isn't something most are willing to tackle, although Eisen & Co. have taken a stab at at for Georgia.  Hell, DAs in most of the jurisdictions probably aren't even that familiar with election crimes

I have seen some theories that the sending of false electors to the National Archives may be tackled at the federal level as some sort of wire or mail fraud.

And, of course, I think the false electors, even if not criminal in and of itself, proves up a conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding on January 6, along with the browbeating of Pence and other things.  And, even apart from conspiracy, it shows an intent by Trump to obstruct as part of a larger scheme to attempt to hijack the election.  So, it's kind of important to figure out where the bear shit in the buckwheat on all of this, even if charges other than 1/6 don't emerge.

Yep, they included a bunch of known republican loons including the state party chair, current and former state Reps and Senators, Turning Point COO and more.  They conducted a ceremonial signing and sent the slate of “electors” to Pence to certify.  
 

Last year, the US attorney subpoenaed State Senate Pres Karen Fann (she’s behind the Cyber Ninja audit) for records and communications with fake electors and Trump officials.  Nothing’s been done since.  

 

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I have no idea what they're investigating or what evidence they have. Just was talking about what the story linked above mentioned about the Arizona governor. If that's accurate it may be tough to nail trump on much there unless there's extra evidence we don't know about. 
 

“Not enough” under what statute?
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@Hermanator Rarely does any article about possible criminal proceedings include a complete case to made by prosecutors nor an inventory of evidence. Your posts have drawn interesting responses from attorneys as well as criticism of what appears to be ill-founded speculation of why prosecution won't work.

I have no idea what will come of it. The story is relevant to other prosecution against Donald Trump and interesting in terms of the scope of villainy and conspirators.

I do wonder if similar activities in various states organized from a central location would trip federal law enforcement as an interstate conspiracy. I'm not an attorney, so I don't state an opinion. Just a query.

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For some reason people here can't seem to grasp the concept of "unless there's evidence we don't know about" and "I'm just talking specifically about what the story mentioned". 

24 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

@Hermanator Rarely does any article about possible criminal proceedings include a complete case to made by prosecutors nor an inventory of evidence. Your posts have drawn interesting responses from attorneys as well as criticism of what appears to be ill-founded speculation of why prosecution won't work.

 

There's no ill founded speculation. It is exactly what I said. IF THERE'S NO EXTRA EVIDENCE OTHER THAN THE ARTICLE STATED. I don't understand why the concept of speaking about only the information given and not speculating about anything additional that we do not know, that no one outside the investigations knows, is so hard for you guys to grasp. 

 

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Yep, they included a bunch of known republican loons including the state party chair, current and former state Reps and Senators, Turning Point COO and more.  They conducted a ceremonial signing and sent the slate of “electors” to Pence to certify.  
 

Last year, the US attorney subpoenaed State Senate Pres Karen Fann (she’s behind the Cyber Ninja audit) for records and communications with fake electors and Trump officials.  Nothing’s been done since.  

 

all those traitors should be in prison at least

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For some reason people here can't seem to grasp the concept of "unless there's evidence we don't know about" and "I'm just talking specifically about what the story mentioned". 

There's no ill founded speculation. It is exactly what I said. IF THERE'S NO EXTRA EVIDENCE OTHER THAN THE ARTICLE STATED. I don't understand why the concept of speaking about only the information given and not speculating about anything additional that we do not know, that no one outside the investigations knows, is so hard for you guys to grasp. 

 

There is certainly someone struggling to grasp something around here. 

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So, apparently Cannon denied the government's motion to list the 84 witnesses that Trump and naughty Nauta cannot contact under seal. https://amp-theguardian-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/26/donald-trump-witnesses-classified-documents-judge?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQGsAEggAID#amp_tf=From %1%24s&aoh=16883929768573&csi=1&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fus-news%2F2023%2Fjun%2F26%2Fdonald-trump-witnesses-classified-documents-judge

That is, she granted the press' opposition to that motion.  Speedy.  Good sign there.

On the merits, I don't think this makes much of a shit.  On the one hand, she didn't give the government what it wanted, on the other, I dont think that confers any advantage on Trump whatsoever.  Don't think there are m/any tea leaves to read here.

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Trump spent the entire 2016 election talking about how seriously he would take classified information. Then he gets in office, "Look at this! Everyone come look at this classified information! I want to show it to everyone!". Russians, tweeting shit out, randos at his club, etc. 

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Trump spent the entire 2016 election talking about how seriously he would take classified information. Then he gets in office, "Look at this! Everyone come look at this classified information! I want to show it to everyone!". Russians, tweeting shit out, randos at his club, etc. 

Yes.  He's a child.

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When you’re trying to accuse other people of using blow, Best to Not describe a frequent cutting agent in detail within the accusation.  
 

If you know someone in high stakes politics under 40, you know a coke user.  Odds are they forgot it there whilst either fucked up after hours or had to leave on a moments notice for official business ms took their chances.  There’s not a federal building in DC under any admin since Ford that doesn’t have a few personal use grams missing in it.  

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Every accusation is a confession.

The one sort of positive thing I believe about Donald Trump is that he does abstain from alcohol and the "usual" drugs.  He apparently took his family history seriously.  Jr. maybe not so much.

It would not at all surprise me if he wasn't addicted to something somewhat unusual, like adderall or some prescription drug that's not quite as commonly abused.

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He also called POTUS a cocaine user.

Nice.

What a fucking piece of shit.

If I had to guess, he’s flipping out because it just came out that the feds had surveillance video/evidence of Trump’s precious boxes being moved around.  

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/05/politics/mar-a-lago-unredacted-search-warrant-affidavit/index.html

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1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

If I had to guess, he’s flipping out because it just came out that the feds had surveillance video/evidence of Trump’s precious boxes being moved around.  

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/05/politics/mar-a-lago-unredacted-search-warrant-affidavit/index.html

Well, that's been known since before the indictment was unsealed.

That they had it even before the search warrant perhaps less so, but they had subpoenaed tapes after the document subpoena and before the warrant.

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9 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, that's been known since before the indictment was unsealed.

That they had it even before the search warrant perhaps less so, but they had subpoenaed tapes after the document subpoena and before the warrant.

It being confirmed though and out in the public probably tweaked Trump a bit though. He had that stuff at Mar-a-Lago for a reason, so that his actions wouldn't be in the public spotlight, and here's the feds saying "oh yeah, we've got video of it being moved around and we don't know where it ended up at or who saw it."

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4 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

The one sort of positive thing I believe about Donald Trump is that he does abstain from alcohol and the "usual" drugs.  He apparently took his family history seriously.  Jr. maybe not so much.

It would not at all surprise me if he wasn't addicted to something somewhat unusual, like adderall or some prescription drug that's not quite as commonly abused.

 

Adderall is/was pretty commonly abused before Vivanse became more of the norm.  Trump went to great lengths to cover up his medical history before the 2016 election.   So that wouldn't surprise me.

 

While I'd be surprised if he never touched coke in the 80s, even on some of his island vacations with the departed, if he's abusing adderall or another stimulant, he's not one to be making pejorative allegations about drug use against the 80 year old President of the United States.

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