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[AnTiM 1666]

”When the camel falls to his knees, all the daggers come out.”

Now I am laughing, ran a search for this phrase and Surly Horns is the only source available.

[BearSchlong 8083]

The phrase "when the camel falls to its knees, the daggers come out" is not a common or widely recognized idiom or proverb in English, at least as of my last training data in September 2021. However, the imagery suggests vulnerability and opportunism. It could mean that when someone (or something) shows weakness or vulnerability, others may take advantage of the situation, often in a harmful or negative manner.

Always consider the context in which a phrase is used, as it could have a specific meaning or interpretation in that situation. If this phrase has gained popularity or a specific cultural context after 2021, I would not be aware of it.

[Rimbo 25911]

10 minutes ago, BearSchlong said:

The phrase "when the camel falls to its knees, the daggers come out" is not a common or widely recognized idiom or proverb in English, at least as of my last training data in September 2021. However, the imagery suggests vulnerability and opportunism. It could mean that when someone (or something) shows weakness or vulnerability, others may take advantage of the situation, often in a harmful or negative manner.

Always consider the context in which a phrase is used, as it could have a specific meaning or interpretation in that situation. If this phrase has gained popularity or a specific cultural context after 2021, I would not be aware of it.

thanks, Data

Edited September 3, 2023 by Rimbo

[Gatorubet 30185]

14 minutes ago, AnTiM said:

”When the camel falls to his knees, all the daggers come out.”

Now I am laughing, ran a search for this phrase and Surly Horns is the only source available.

Jesus guys, that is literally the worst translation from the original Arabic you could find.  It should read, “When the sheep queefs, Aggy assembles.”

[The Dog 44019]

[Biff Tannen 45665]

5 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Sounds exactly like something he’d say but it’s fake.  

Why can't we have a way to find this out sooner?

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13575]

46 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Why can't we have a way to find this out sooner?

 

[Underdog 28576]

2 hours ago, The Dog said:

Obama:  coffee has bit of a Wang to it. 

[Ted Lange 16084]

 

20 minutes ago, Underdog said:

Obama:  coffee has bit of a Wang to it. 

Good though

 

[Francisco 2.0 32387]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Sawbonz 27540]

4 hours ago, The Dog said:

 Bill’s thinking about pussy

[atomheartbevo 89628]

3 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

Why can't we have a way to find this out sooner?

Because it was from June and had been buried.

[TwiceHorn 31438]

1 hour ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, Woodward filed his surreply on 8/31, under seal and now that Aileen "appreciates" the situation, let him do so because like the original motion filed under seal by the government, grand jury shit ought to remain secret.

She also let the gubmint file the DeOliveiras shit under seal too.

[ConferenceRoom 6141]

On 9/1/2023 at 4:05 PM, BearSchlong said:

He who would pun would pick a pocket. 

[Gatorubet 30185]

1 hour ago, Sawbonz said:

 Bill’s thinking about pussy

Pffffft.  That could be any Bill photo.

[AnTiM 1666]

Got to give Bill credit, at least he had a good reason for facing impeachment.🙀

[NWBuck 8552]

11 hours ago, AnTiM said:

Got to give Bill credit, at least he had a good reason for facing impeachment.🙀

True... 45 faced impeachment for fucking everybody (not just an intern) 

[Jhawkmvp 1489]

🤣🤣🤣 Trump might have violated copyright law and Fulton County sheriff could possibly sue him for his mug shot profits. Even better Trump has been threatening to go after people making money on his mug shot. Would be karma if they end up going after him and taking the millions he has profited from his surrenderdise.

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According to Politico, Donald Trump earned over $7 million in sales, from t-shirts to the “Never Surrender” coffee mugs, in the first week after he was indicted in the Georgia election interference case. However, a 2022 article in the University of Georgia School of Law’s Journal of Intellectual Property Law noted, “In the context of photographs taken by law enforcement during the booking process, the author of the mugshot photograph is the law enforcement agency.”

That could mean that if the Fulton County sheriff wants to go after Donald Trump for those profits, he might have the legal ground to do so. And as MSNBC pointed out, Fulton County “just happens to be in desperate need of funds to address the horrific conditions in the Fulton County Jail.” It could be the perfect storm of legal events for the former president, who is already in enough hot water.

The irony of it all is that Donald Trump’s adviser, Chris LaCivita, threatened to go after anyone who created their own line of merchandise from the former president’s mug shot. “If you are a campaign, PAC, scammer and you try raising money off the mugshot of @realDonaldTrump and you have not received prior permission …WE ARE COMING AFTER YOU you will NOT SCAM DONORS,” he wrote on X (formerly Twitter). That tweet won’t age well if the Fulton County sheriff decides to take legal action against Donald Trump — it’s another brewing battle for the former president.

 

[tx 3 putt 76870]

On 9/3/2023 at 11:08 AM, Beau Vine said:

Walt better grab some lube:

This needs the trump seal of approval !

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[Hornius Emeritus 12450]

"Very powerfully and very strongly".  He writes like I did in fifth grade.

[tx 3 putt 76870]

25 minutes ago, Jhawkmvp said:

🤣🤣🤣 Trump might have violated copyright law and Fulton County sheriff could possibly sue him for his mug shot profits. Even better Trump has been threatening to go after people making money on his mug shot. Would be karma if they end up going after him and taking the millions he has profited from his surrenderdise.

 

[YGIFS 19449]

Why isn't there a meme yet of "Never Surrender!" with Trump surrendering himself in Fulton County next to pics of the Japanese surrender on the USS Missouri, the 8 May instrument in Berlin, the Appamattox surrender, et. al.  Basicallty famous surrenders by people who follow the Trump school of thought of promising their people valor and glory, but end up being complete assholes and giving up everything to save their own ass.  

[G650 14242]

8 hours ago, Hornius Emeritus said:

"Very powerfully and very strongly".  He writes like I did in fifth grade.

I'd wager fifth grade Hornius was significantly more eloquent than anything this idiot has ever rage typed.

[jimmyjazz 45888]

Seems like a tough hill to climb if they prosecute Trump for using his own mugshot.  It IS his image, after all.  I get it, the photographer owns the image, but my guess is there are bigger fish to fry.

[SilasCoade 2622]

3 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

It IS his image, after all.

actually, it is not. That's the whole point. It's his face, unfortunately for him, but the picture does not belong to him.

[jimmyjazz 45888]

2 minutes ago, SilasCoade said:

actually, it is not. That's the whole point. It's his face, unfortunately for him, but the picture does not belong to him.

You misunderstood what I wrote, and ignored the other part about the ownership.  By "his image" I meant "his face".

[The Dog 44019]

WE ALL FLIPPIN!

 

 

[Restless Native 315]

On 9/3/2023 at 8:40 PM, Sawbonz said:

 Bill’s thinking about pussy

Just like us!

[C-Man 27188]

40 minutes ago, The Dog said:

WE ALL FLIPPIN!

 

 

 

[Francisco 2.0 32387]

What a shame, and it's just so unfair.

 

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/kraken-lawyer-sidney-powell-warns-of-significant-dilemma-in-smartmatic-lawsuit/

 

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“Kraken” lawyer Sidney Powell has asked a federal judge to put voting machine company Smartmatic’s defamation lawsuit on the back burner while she faces a racketeering (RICO) criminal trial in Georgia for trying to overturn the 2020 election.

Powell, noting that her criminal case is headed for trial “on or about October 23, but no later than November 3, 2023,” asserted that in the absence of a 90-day stay of the civil defamation lawsuit she will be faced with the “‘significant dilemma’ of having to defend both lawsuits simultaneously and whether to assert or waive rights under the Fifth Amendment of the United States Constitution here.”

 

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A footnote in a related filing explains why “lawsuits” (plural) — that is, not just the Smartmatic case — are mentioned in the request.

“Ms. Powell and Dominion are in the process of meeting and conferring in connection with a potential stay of the Dominion litigation against Ms. Powell,” the footnote said.

The little-noticed filing and attached memorandum in support of a stay from Powell’s attorney Joshua A. Mooney last Friday asked U.S. District Judge Carl Nichols, a Donald Trump appointee, to pause the Smartmatic proceedings until Nov. 29. Judge Nichols is also presiding over Dominion’s lawsuit against Powell.

 

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Powell’s team argued that multiple factors support a stay of proceedings, including the promotion of “better judicial efficiency.” The defense asserted that a 90-day stay would be “relatively insignificant” and that any “hardship would be minimal for Smartmatic.”

“The allegations against Ms. Powell in both actions are based upon many of the same alleged underlying events, legal theories, and other allegations. The Smartmatic lawsuit, especially given how Smartmatic has chosen to prosecute it, cannot be litigated without implicating the Fulton Action,” the memo said. “Given this close relationship, this factor weighs in favor of a stay.”

 

Spoiler

Powell’s memo also noted that Smartmatic has “outstanding discovery requests (for which it is filing its motion to compel)” and has expressed its intent to compel Powell’s deposition on her “activities and meetings/communications with Giuliani, Trump, the Trump campaign, and others indicted or implicated in the Fulton Action.”

Smartmatic on Friday filed a motion to compel discovery and to compel Powell to sit for a deposition “within one month of producing the aforementioned discovery.”

The stay request comes not long after Powell sought a speedy trial in Georgia and motioned to sever her RICO case from her 18 co-defendants, arguing that she has “no substantive connection” with them.

Though Powell is accused of conspiring to commit election fraud, conspiring to commit computer theft, conspiring to commit computer trespass, and conspiring to defraud the state of Georgia as part of a racketeering enterprise to keep Trump in power, she maintains Fulton County DA Fani Willis (D) is trying to punish her for exercising her First Amendment rights:

 

In an Indictment spanning 97 pages, Ms. Powell is falsely accused of participating in a RICO conspiracy because she attended a press conference exercising her First Amendment right to speak on a matter of great public interest and national importance; met with the President at the White House where she provided a legal opinion on Executive Order 13848; her typed name appears on a contract with a vendor for forensic work for Michigan and Arizona; and, after-the-fact, a non-profit she founded gratuitously paid SullivanStrickler’s invoice. That is all she is accused of, and her name is mentioned just 14 times throughout the Indictment. The passing allegations of her “false statements” to the January 6 investigation by Congress—for which the State has no jurisdiction—are taken out of context, the allegations are themselves insufficient as a matter of law, and her statements were true.

 

In her motion to sever, Powell argued that “she did not agree with any of her purported coconspirators to do anything improper” and asserted she could “receive a fair trial only if she is tried alone.”

Powell argued that the speedy trial she demanded could take place over the course of just three days.

“Assuming the prosecution does not realize its error in indicting her and agree to dismiss this wrongful prosecution before trial immediately, Ms. Powell can be tried alone in three days at most and should receive a judgment of acquittal when the State rests,” the motion said.

 

[Js1 85276]

1 hour ago, The Dog said:

WE ALL FLIPPIN!

 

 

[TwiceHorn 31438]

36 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

What a shame, and it's just so unfair.

 

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/kraken-lawyer-sidney-powell-warns-of-significant-dilemma-in-smartmatic-lawsuit/

 

 

 

 

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Powell’s memo also noted that Smartmatic has “outstanding discovery requests (for which it is filing its motion to compel)” and has expressed its intent to compel Powell’s deposition on her “activities and meetings/communications with Giuliani, Trump, the Trump campaign, and others indicted or implicated in the Fulton Action.”

Smartmatic on Friday filed a motion to compel discovery and to compel Powell to sit for a deposition “within one month of producing the aforementioned discovery.”

The stay request comes not long after Powell sought a speedy trial in Georgia and motioned to sever her RICO case from her 18 co-defendants, arguing that she has “no substantive connection” with them.

Though Powell is accused of conspiring to commit election fraud, conspiring to commit computer theft, conspiring to commit computer trespass, and conspiring to defraud the state of Georgia as part of a racketeering enterprise to keep Trump in power, she maintains Fulton County DA Fani Willis (D) is trying to punish her for exercising her First Amendment rights:

 

In an Indictment spanning 97 pages, Ms. Powell is falsely accused of participating in a RICO conspiracy because she attended a press conference exercising her First Amendment right to speak on a matter of great public interest and national importance; met with the President at the White House where she provided a legal opinion on Executive Order 13848; her typed name appears on a contract with a vendor for forensic work for Michigan and Arizona; and, after-the-fact, a non-profit she founded gratuitously paid SullivanStrickler’s invoice. That is all she is accused of, and her name is mentioned just 14 times throughout the Indictment. The passing allegations of her “false statements” to the January 6 investigation by Congress—for which the State has no jurisdiction—are taken out of context, the allegations are themselves insufficient as a matter of law, and her statements were true.

 

In her motion to sever, Powell argued that “she did not agree with any of her purported coconspirators to do anything improper” and asserted she could “receive a fair trial only if she is tried alone.”

Powell argued that the speedy trial she demanded could take place over the course of just three days.

“Assuming the prosecution does not realize its error in indicting her and agree to dismiss this wrongful prosecution before trial immediately, Ms. Powell can be tried alone in three days at most and should receive a judgment of acquittal when the State rests,” the motion said.

 

Yeah, unfortunately, that's a real thing.  Simultaneous civil proceedings and criminal prosecutions pose a problem for the defendant and the usual remedy is a stay of the civil proceedings.  

[G650 14242]

1 hour ago, The Dog said:

WE ALL FLIPPIN!

 

 

[TwiceHorn 31438]

12 hours ago, Jhawkmvp said:

🤣🤣🤣 Trump might have violated copyright law and Fulton County sheriff could possibly sue him for his mug shot profits. Even better Trump has been threatening to go after people making money on his mug shot. Would be karma if they end up going after him and taking the millions he has profited from his surrenderdise.

 

The federal government statutorily disclaims copyright in government works at 17 USC 105.  Some states do and some states don't.  It appears Georgia has not spoken statutorily or judicially.

This would be a relatively simple civil suit.  

Edited September 5, 2023 by TwiceHorn

[YGIFS 19449]

This is some real white people legal shit.  Usually criminal goes first, then civil.  If they have to run parallel for some bizarre reason, as Twice points out-stay for civil.  Lots and lots and lots of precedence.  What Powell's bullshit presupposes is what do you stay when the criminal conspiracy case is not only running concurrently, but directly involves you attempting to manipulate voting machines which you had previously planned to publicly blame the manufacture of in case your conspiracy didn't work out, so you had a backup plan which is now resulting in a defamation suit against you once you're done pleading out for trying to manipulate the machines in the first place?  

the caselaw horn books that will grow from this whole axiom of shit is going to have to have its own section of every law library in the country.  Eventually every 2L will have to take a course or strongly encouraged elective called called "TrumpLaw."  This is changing, in real time, centuries of removal/remainder practices nevermind everything we know about RECO, election law, extortion, and presidential authority.  

[C-Man 27188]

2 hours ago, The Dog said:

WE ALL FLIPPIN!

 

 

[Pato del Muerto 52485]

Dumb legal question- why weren’t all of the defamation cases by voting machine companies pooled into one class action or whatever?

[kevwun 15764]

There's only a handful of them and they can all afford really good attorneys.

[TwiceHorn 31438]

5 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Dumb legal question- why weren’t all of the defamation cases by voting machine companies pooled into one class action or whatever?

Class actions are by a group of plaintiffs with a common injury against a single or multiple closely related defendants that caused the common injury.

Here, there are multiple unrelated defendants, even if they are similar or the same for multiple plaintiffs.  The defendants did their dirty deeds in their own unique ways and the damage to the plaintiffs, while conceptually similar, is also unique to that plaintiff.  

Also, class actions tend to be for injuries suffered by plaintiffs that are below the threshold of a lawsuit.  Combine those injuries, which need to be nearly identical among plaintiffs, and you have a case that's financially worthwhile.

Edited September 5, 2023 by TwiceHorn

[Pato del Muerto 52485]

Thankee, gents. 

[BamaATL 16593]

Not getting much play but worth noting Mr. "Green Bay Sweep" and his contempt trial is starting today.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/05/politics/navarro-trump-contempt-of-congress-trial/index.html

 

I can't think it's good as a defendant when the judge indicates that he believes this will be a quick matter.  

[TwiceHorn 31438]

Just now, BamaATL said:

Not getting much play but worth noting Mr. "Green Bay Sweep" and his contempt trial is starting today.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/05/politics/navarro-trump-contempt-of-congress-trial/index.html

 

I can't think it's good as a defendant when the judge indicates that he believes this will be a quick matter.  

As with Bannon, most of his defenses have been stricken.  He can't rely on an assertion of executive privilege by Trump and DC Circuit law says advice of counsel is not a sufficient defense.  So, it's basically

• Did you receive a subpoena from the US House of Representatives?
• Did you respond?

[BamaATL 16593]

4 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

As with Bannon, most of his defenses have been stricken.  He can't rely on an assertion of executive privilege by Trump and DC Circuit law says advice of counsel is not a sufficient defense.  So, it's basically

• Did you receive a subpoena from the US House of Representatives?
• Did you respond?

Yeah, I can't think a jury has to deliberate long on 2 yes or no questions.  From what I gather, his defense isn't going to be much beyond to appeal the matter on Presidential privilege, one that the appeals court has already shot down.  Banking on appeal from the outset seems to be a forfeit move on the trial.  At any rate, I have a feeling contempt charges are the least of Navarro's worries.  

[TexasEd 8066]

On 9/3/2023 at 4:05 PM, The Dog said:

Trump got a cup of covfefe 

 

On 9/3/2023 at 9:38 PM, TwiceHorn said:

Yeah, Woodward filed his surreply on 8/31, under seal and now that Aileen "appreciates" the situation, let him do so because like the original motion filed under seal by the government, grand jury shit ought to remain secret.

She also let the gubmint file the DeOliveiras shit under seal too.

Lol, at her inexperience leading to fuckups that hurt Trump or his lawyers

[The Dog 44019]

1 minute ago, TexasEd said:

Lol, at her inexperience leading to fuckups that hurt Trump or his lawyers

just as long as they don't give Trump grounds for an appeal. 

[TexasEd 8066]

3 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

What a shame, and it's just so unfair.

 

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/kraken-lawyer-sidney-powell-warns-of-significant-dilemma-in-smartmatic-lawsuit/

 

 

 

 

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Powell’s memo also noted that Smartmatic has “outstanding discovery requests (for which it is filing its motion to compel)” and has expressed its intent to compel Powell’s deposition on her “activities and meetings/communications with Giuliani, Trump, the Trump campaign, and others indicted or implicated in the Fulton Action.”

Smartmatic on Friday filed a motion to compel discovery and to compel Powell to sit for a deposition “within one month of producing the aforementioned discovery.”

The stay request comes not long after Powell sought a speedy trial in Georgia and motioned to sever her RICO case from her 18 co-defendants, arguing that she has “no substantive connection” with them.

Though Powell is accused of conspiring to commit election fraud, conspiring to commit computer theft, conspiring to commit computer trespass, and conspiring to defraud the state of Georgia as part of a racketeering enterprise to keep Trump in power, she maintains Fulton County DA Fani Willis (D) is trying to punish her for exercising her First Amendment rights:

 

In an Indictment spanning 97 pages, Ms. Powell is falsely accused of participating in a RICO conspiracy because she attended a press conference exercising her First Amendment right to speak on a matter of great public interest and national importance; met with the President at the White House where she provided a legal opinion on Executive Order 13848; her typed name appears on a contract with a vendor for forensic work for Michigan and Arizona; and, after-the-fact, a non-profit she founded gratuitously paid SullivanStrickler’s invoice. That is all she is accused of, and her name is mentioned just 14 times throughout the Indictment. The passing allegations of her “false statements” to the January 6 investigation by Congress—for which the State has no jurisdiction—are taken out of context, the allegations are themselves insufficient as a matter of law, and her statements were true.

 

In her motion to sever, Powell argued that “she did not agree with any of her purported coconspirators to do anything improper” and asserted she could “receive a fair trial only if she is tried alone.”

Powell argued that the speedy trial she demanded could take place over the course of just three days.

“Assuming the prosecution does not realize its error in indicting her and agree to dismiss this wrongful prosecution before trial immediately, Ms. Powell can be tried alone in three days at most and should receive a judgment of acquittal when the State rests,” the motion said.

 

 

2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yeah, unfortunately, that's a real thing.  Simultaneous civil proceedings and criminal prosecutions pose a problem for the defendant and the usual remedy is a stay of the civil proceedings.  

They should have sped up the civil cases although going after Fox first made sense.  If she is out of money after defending the civil cases and paying off the damages that would put her in a bad place to fight the criminal charges.  Either way the Kraken is getting ready to feast on her stupidity.  She's either in jail, broke or probably both.

 

[TwiceHorn 31438]

1 hour ago, TexasEd said:

 

They should have sped up the civil cases although going after Fox first made sense.  If she is out of money after defending the civil cases and paying off the damages that would put her in a bad place to fight the criminal charges.  Either way the Kraken is getting ready to feast on her stupidity.  She's either in jail, broke or probably both.

 

Dominion benefited from the venue in Delaware against Fox.  In keeping with their "corporate race to the bottom," Delaware tends to pride itself on fast, well-funded courts (fast and well-funded are roughly synonymous).

[SydneyCarton 48054]

On 9/2/2023 at 12:00 PM, BamaATL said:

I think they do have him on this, and the fine is real.  He needs the $250 million fast or the state with either seize assets or put stuff in receivership.  Seeing as those his wealth has always been a complete house of cards, either is a financial death blow.  I honestly don't think his net worth is even $250 million, so needless to say he doesn't have the cash.  Additionally, if he does start losing assets or anything goes into receivership, his ability to fraudulently pull cash out of these is gone as well.  He's always been a robbing Peter to pay Paul kind of guy, but once the music stops the entire house of cards collapses. 

I think that's exactly why we've seen a flurry of what amounts to begging from him for donations combined with the near insolvency of the his pac.  He's been preparing to lose this for a while now, and now that it's extremely clear that this is not only going to happen, it's happening in short order, he's frantic to get as much as possible to avert the worst case scenario for him; which is complete and transparent financial ruin.  Much of his power is based the perception of wealth, always has been his key, if that perception is shattered imagine the psychological damage it will do to him, let alone all the public erosion in his "brand".  

It's reminiscent of Napoleon being exiled to St Helena.  The real sting to him wasn't his physical location, it wasn't so much losing, it was the idea of having no power whatsoever that he grumbled about the for the rest of his days.  For Trump, a public and transparent acknowledgment of his financial failing is akin the physical removal to St. Helena.  

Im a couple days late catching up on this thread, so maybe it's mentioned in the next couple pages I haven't read yet, but I don't think the public/magadom gives a fuck about his financial ruination. They'll simply point to it as proof of the "deep state" coming to ruin him for fighting for the common man. What I do think is possible, is that the financial ruin gives this motherfucker a heart attack. 

What would be amazing is if they sized some of his buildings and turned them into underserved housing. That would fucking kill the slumlord/racist in him. 

[Chewbacca 7767]

11 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Im a couple days late catching up on this thread, so maybe it's mentioned in the next couple pages I haven't read yet, but I don't think the public/magadom gives a fuck about his financial ruination. They'll simply point to it as proof of the "deep state" coming to ruin him for fighting for the common man. What I do think is possible, is that the financial ruin gives this motherfucker a heart attack. 

What would be amazing is if they sized some of his buildings and turned them into underserved housing. That would fucking kill the slumlord/racist in him. 

Yeah, being poor might be what actually kills this motherfucker.

[dcbc 14465]

4 hours ago, YGIFS said:

This is some real white people legal shit.  Usually criminal goes first, then civil.  If they have to run parallel for some bizarre reason, as Twice points out-stay for civil.  Lots and lots and lots of precedence.  What Powell's bullshit presupposes is what do you stay when the criminal conspiracy case is not only running concurrently, but directly involves you attempting to manipulate voting machines which you had previously planned to publicly blame the manufacture of in case your conspiracy didn't work out, so you had a backup plan which is now resulting in a defamation suit against you once you're done pleading out for trying to manipulate the machines in the first place?  

the caselaw horn books that will grow from this whole axiom of shit is going to have to have its own section of every law library in the country.  Eventually every 2L will have to take a course or strongly encouraged elective called called "TrumpLaw."  This is changing, in real time, centuries of removal/remainder practices nevermind everything we know about RECO, election law, extortion, and presidential authority.  

 

I get why they don't want him in jail and subject to forfeiture before they get their civil defamation judgment against him.  But I'm guessing the criminal cases ultimately will go first.