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1 hour ago, longhornmatt said:

I agree with all of you and wish journalists would have stopped letting Trump’s bullshit slide a long, long time ago, but it doesn’t even matter now.   Nothing will matter until he dies.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-biden-poll-2023-09-17/

It’s not just that he’s somehow still in politics despite all the unbelievable bullshit that he and his traveling circus of personality disorders have put us through.  It’s that he honestly has a good chance of becoming President AGAIN, even if it’s while he’s awaiting sentencing for a felony conviction.  Felonies related to purposely compromising our most classified documents and/or for trying to commit a coup.   He’s going to be on trial for things which actually are even more harmful to our democracy in the macro sense than his own shooting someone on 5th Avenue example, and it doesn’t fucking matter one bit.

And, btw, if he wins he won’t respect term limits.  Peaceful transfers of power will be over unless he dies early enough in his term that we never have to cross that Rubicon where he declares he doesn’t have to leave office.  

There are going to be some very hard choices to be made if he doesn’t die.  His supporters will still be a collection of (a) outright deplorables and (b) completely delusional fearful people who might not be actively deplorable but whose brains are nonetheless broken from fear and consuming propaganda all the time.  Neither of those underlying conditions go away or get better if he dies.  But at least if he dies they won’t have their most audaciously amoral and narcissistic cult leader there to unite them and galvanize them.  If he doesn’t die, there really won’t be a bottom.

If you click the link you can read all 84 pages and 360 questions in the poll, which is revealing in and of itself.  

https://www.scribd.com/document/671717605/cbsnews-20230917-SUN#

If you scroll to page 84 you will find the methodology of the poll, and it in that you will find the following: "It (the poll) does not reflect non sampling errors, including potential bias in panel participation or in response to a particular survey."  

This poll is bullshit.  Olds are the only respondents.  If I poll a group of convicts I bet the number one issue would be prison reform and mandatory minimum reforms.  

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Imagine your basis of hating Trump is because of mean tweets, January 6 and “hush money” trial all because liberal media is crooked. Fuck right off. This is my last post in this forum  dumb fucki

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Bye bitch. Enjoy living in literal hell if your man Biden is re elected

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WTH???  Trump was literally "all-nonsense."  Biden does nothing but keep his head down and his mouth shut and gets things done.  

This was honestly my first thought. Nonsense is the totality of his program.

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13 hours ago, BamaATL said:

This poll is bullshit.

Yup. Good job reading through that and finding the fine print.

It also has Trump with a 15 point lead with Independents. Only the most delusional GQP supporters would ever believe that (or a CBS exec who wants clicks and ratings for a bigger bonus).

This and that ridiculous WSJ poll should be warning signs that the media is going to manufacture shit to drive clicks and ratings. 

Don't fall for the bait.

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21 minutes ago, The Dog said:

This and that ridiculous WSJ poll should be warning signs that the media is going to manufacture shit to drive clicks and ratings. 

Warning signs? If someone is just now noticing this after the past 30 years, they’re either born after 9/11 or just have their head in the sand 

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Because of course he did

 

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-to-do-lists-classified-documents-1234827478/

 

A former aide to Donald Trump has reportedly revealed to prosecutors that the former president regularly used classified documents to write out to-do lists for assistants. 

According to ABC News Molly Michael, who worked as an assistant to Trump between 2018 and 2022, revealed to federal investigators that Trump repeatedly sent her directives handwritten on notecards that contained classified markings. 

 

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17 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

The Presidential Records Act says he can do that!

I saw a clip of him saying this to a crowd of dotardians. "The Presidential Records Act says I can do whatever I want!" (paraphrasing). Followed by applause. In a just world, it would have been met with crickets, while everyone thought to themselves, "Um, no it doesn't. What the hell is he talking about?".

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15 hours ago, BamaATL said:

If you click the link you can read all 84 pages and 360 questions in the poll, which is revealing in and of itself.  

https://www.scribd.com/document/671717605/cbsnews-20230917-SUN#

If you scroll to page 84 you will find the methodology of the poll, and it in that you will find the following: "It (the poll) does not reflect non sampling errors, including potential bias in panel participation or in response to a particular survey."  

This poll is bullshit.  Olds are the only respondents.  If I poll a group of convicts I bet the number one issue would be prison reform and mandatory minimum reforms. 

https://www.meidastouch.com/news/dont-fall-for-it-shoddy-polling-again-pushing-doom-and-gloom-for-dems

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17 minutes ago, The Dog said:

OK y'all got us this is all pointless and Trump is going to win so we might as well not vote.

Is that what you want?

Because with that narrative that is what you will get. 

 

I believe this people are pointing out that this is the narrative that's being pushed by both the left, and the right. And that's what you'll  get. 

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What, pray tell, do our resident bed wetters truly think the GOP is doing that guarantees them a win in November 2024?  

  • With absolutely ridiculously high inflation and Joe Biden hovering around 40% approval in his first midterm, the GOP should have swept Congress and picked up a bunch of governor seats in 2022.  They failed to win the Senate back, BARELY won the House only because they gerrymandered a bunch of states to ensure they won it back, and lost governor races. MASSIVE FAIL OF A MIDTERM
  • They lost all election procedure and counting positions in Arizona, Nevada, Michigan, Pennsylvania.  Dems hold the Attorney General position in Wisconsin.  
  • SCOTUS struck down the independent legislature theory.  And are forcing southern states to re-do their maps, which should net Dems 2-4 seats alone, not including potentially fair maps in Wisconsin and new maps in New York. 
  • What was Trump's court record on overturning the vote in 2020 when the GOP actually had control over a bunch of swing states? 1-73? 
  • Trump has RICO charges in Georgia and the GOP YET AGAIN lost another Senate race there.
  • The GOP is putting up absolute garbage in key Senate races in AZ, WI, MI, PA, NH - pretty much ensuring they will drag an already unpopular top of the ticket down.  Coupled with massive Republican civil war nationally (McCarthy versus HFC wings), Paxton going whole hog to destroy the Texas House GOP caucus, etc. 
  • Dems have overperformed 95% of special elections in 2023, by a good margin (4-6 points on average)
  • ABORTION IS THE BIGGEST ISSUE DRIVING MILLENIAL, GEN Z, WOMEN AND INDEPENDENTS. Kansas, Kentucky, Montana, Ohio, Michigan.  7 for 7 when on the ballot.  
    • Already on the ballot for New York and Maryland in 2024, with measures potentially on the ballot in Arizona, Florida, Iowa, Missouri, Nebraska, Nevada, Pennsylvania and South Dakota
  • Virginia legislature elections are in 1.5 months and the Republican governor is screaming for mercy that a GOP TRIGGERED SHUTDOWN is going to decimate them in November. 
  • Michigan GOP is a dumpster fire.  AZ GOP is broke.  WI GOP is attempting to subvert democracy and overturn a double digit SCOWI win, which is already pissing off people. 

I don't see it. 

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2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

What, pray tell, do our resident bed wetters truly think the GOP is doing that guarantees them a win in November 2024?  

  • With absolutely ridiculously high inflation and Joe Biden hovering around 40% approval in his first midterm, the GOP should have swept Congress and picked up a bunch of governor seats in 2022.  They failed to win the Senate back, BARELY won the House only because they gerrymandered a bunch of states to ensure they won it back, and lost governor races. MASSIVE FAIL OF A MIDTERM
  • They lost all election procedure and counting positions in Arizona, Nevada, Michigan, Pennsylvania.  Dems hold the Attorney General position in Wisconsin.  
  • SCOTUS struck down the independent legislature theory.  And are forcing southern states to re-do their maps, which should net Dems 2-4 seats alone, not including potentially fair maps in Wisconsin and new maps in New York. 
  • What was Trump's court record on overturning the vote in 2020 when the GOP actually had control over a bunch of swing states? 1-73? 
  • Trump has RICO charges in Georgia and the GOP YET AGAIN lost another Senate race there.
  • The GOP is putting up absolute garbage in key Senate races in AZ, WI, MI, PA, NH - pretty much ensuring they will drag an already unpopular top of the ticket down.  Coupled with massive Republican civil war nationally (McCarthy versus HFC wings), Paxton going whole hog to destroy the Texas House GOP caucus, etc. 
  • Dems have overperformed 95% of special elections in 2023, by a good margin (4-6 points on average)
  • ABORTION IS THE BIGGEST ISSUE DRIVING MILLENIAL, GEN Z, WOMEN AND INDEPENDENTS. Kansas, Kentucky, Montana, Ohio, Michigan.  7 for 7 when on the ballot.  
    • Already on the ballot for New York and Maryland in 2024, with measures potentially on the ballot in Arizona, Florida, Iowa, Missouri, Nebraska, Nevada, Pennsylvania and South Dakota
  • Virginia legislature elections are in 1.5 months and the Republican governor is screaming for mercy that a GOP TRIGGERED SHUTDOWN is going to decimate them in November. 
  • Michigan GOP is a dumpster fire.  AZ GOP is broke.  WI GOP is attempting to subvert democracy and overturn a double digit SCOWI win, which is already pissing off people. 

I don't see it. 

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The reason to be nervous is because the electoral college tilts in the GOP's favor and every presidential election is close. Further, the mainstream media will normalize Trump (again), play up Biden's liabilities, and do everything in their power to manufacture a close race.

But you're right, and that's a huge list of negative factors the GOP hasn't ever really dealt with in a presidential election year before. The state GOP multiple battleground states has very quickly become about as effective a political machine as the Democratic party has been in Texas for the last 30 years. And Trump's trials will not help him with undecided voters (and his defense will also peel a ton of funds away from other candidates). 

Polling this far out is always pretty much worthless, and polls have consistently missed the anti-Dobbs backlash that we've seen in every election since. Worries about Biden's age aren't going to negate that, no matter how much some centrist twits in the media want it to.

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Polling this far out is always pretty much worthless

Yet everyone should flip out. You know who isn’t flipping out? Big money Dem donors. Or there’s be 800 stories a day about how they’re not into Biden and trying to woo someone else. 

If even one big Dem mega donor was nervous, it would be front page CNN

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Yet everyone should flip out. You know who isn’t flipping out? Big money Dem donors. Or there’s be 800 stories a day about how they’re not into Biden and trying to woo someone else. 

If even one big Dem mega donor was nervous, it would be front page CNN

Times has an op-ed today talking about how big donor Dems are not opening their wallets atm. Can't source it at the moment, but it should be on the front of the editorial section.

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Times has an op-ed today talking about how big donor Dems are not opening their wallets atm. Can't source it at the moment, but it should be on the front of the editorial section.

There is not going to be a shortage of money on either side. 

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36 minutes ago, safe sex said:

Times has an op-ed today talking about how big donor Dems are not opening their wallets atm. Can't source it at the moment, but it should be on the front of the editorial section.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/18/opinion/columnists/progessive-fundraising-downturn.html

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One small, characteristic piece of this problem — and perhaps the easiest part to solve — involves the way Democrats use email. If you’re on any progressive mailing lists, you surely know what I’m talking about: the endless appeals, sometimes in bold all caps, warning of imminent Democratic implosion. (Recent subject lines in my inbox include, “We can kiss our Senate majority goodbye” and “This is not looking good.”)

In the short term, these emails are effective, which is why campaigns use them. Over time, they encourage a mix of cynicism and helplessness — precisely the feelings leading too many people to withdraw from political involvement. “We and others in the field have argued that, long term, it’s disastrous, because you don’t build a trusting base,” said Maurice Mitchell, national director of the Working Families Party when I asked him about these hair-on-fire missives.

But this is just a symptom of a bigger problem, which is that, right now, progressive politics are necessarily organized around preventing imminent catastrophe rather than offering up a vision of a transformed world. Joe Biden has an impressive legislative record, but because of the counter-majoritarian roadblocks in our system, the case for his re-election is largely about staving off disaster rather than the promise of new accomplishments. “It’s really hard to get people to give money when you do not have a coherent theory of change,” said Berger.

Where there is a prospect of real change, progressives are still getting mobilized. After the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, “there was a resurgence of both activist energy and donor energy,” said Tory Gavito, the president of Way to Win, a network of progressive donors channeling money to pro-democracy grass-roots groups. “And those things are often correlated.” As she pointed out, Janet Protasiewicz raised “more money than God” in her race for a pivotal Wisconsin Supreme Court seat. In Ohio, organizers fought off a sneaky statewide ballot measure meant to kneecap a campaign to protect reproductive rights. 

 

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On 9/18/2023 at 12:54 PM, Pig Bellmont said:

Welker is over here just pissing on Tim Russert’s grave. No one was more prepared for an interview or willing to call out BS than him. And he’d have rebuttal clips/graphics at the ready. 
 

Oh and it’s not that there aren’t journalists capable of doing the job, it’s an editorial choice 

My favorite part was when Trump baselessly claimed that electric vehicles will all be made exclusively in China and Welker couldn't be troubled to ask him where besides his ass did he pull that from? 

I'd already given up any hope of her fact checking him, but you can't even gently press him on his bullshit? Horrible interview. 

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45 minutes ago, Hookah Horns said:

My favorite part was when Trump baselessly claimed that electric vehicles will all be made exclusively in China and Welker couldn't be troubled to ask him where besides his ass did he pull that from? 

I'd already given up any hope of her fact checking him, but you can't even gently press him on his bullshit? Horrible interview. 

The mere idea of an interview being given to him by any network other than his mouthpieces is absurd. If any interviewer would actually fact-check him on the spot (and many are capable), he wouldn't be able to get past 3 actual statements in 20 minutes. Catching a Trump lie and correcting it in real time is like...

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The mere idea of an interview being given to him by any network other than his mouthpieces is absurd. If any interviewer would actually fact-check him on the spot (and many are capable), he wouldn't be able to get past 3 actual statements in 20 minutes. Catching a Trump lie and correcting it in real time is like...

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All networks should just agree to ship in Jonathan Swan as the only journalist who is allowed to do Trump interviews. 

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Maggie Haberman confirmed ABC's reporting that Trump coached his close aide when she was preparing to be interviewed by the FBI, telling her to tell investigators that she doesn't know "anything about the boxes,” Maggie Haberman adds: "Ms. Michael is one of at least two witnesses who could be called to testify at Mr. Trump’s trial in the documents case and present the jury with evidence that the former president sought in some way to obstruct the government’s investigation."

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I honestly think it would be some form of house arrest. I just don't see the logistics of a former president in lockup regardless of how shitty he's been. I'd love to see him in an orange smock, eating shit on a shingle and taking a dump in an open toilet, but I just don't see how it would work. In fact, if its true he's scared, I'd offer him right now 10 years house arrest (he'll likely be dead by then or a zombie), but he must admit in open court in front of cameras that he lied about everything and that he committed every one of the crimes alleged. It can be at Mar-a-Lago, but a regular room, constantly guarded, and non-negotiable that he cannot speak publicly or by social media at all, just shut the fuck up, for good.  

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I think that there is a possibility that as Trump continues to weigh his odds, that Jack can offer a deal where he pleads guilty specifically to J6 insurrection (and classified documents obstruction charges) in return for no jail time.  Then Trump can’t run again because of the 14th amendment, and that cancer is behind us.   As much as I would love to see that asshole behind bars, his end of the existential threat to democracy by him running and winning again is far more important to me than to have the satisfaction of getting Justice in seeing him behind bars.

Plus, I think pleading guilty and not being able to run would kill him. 

Edit: but that would be smart. And he’s an idiot. So it ain’t gonna happen.

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19 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

I think that there is a possibility that as Trump continues to weigh his odds, that Jack can offer a deal where he pleads guilty specifically to J6 insurrection (and classified documents obstruction charges) in return for no jail time.  Then Trump can’t run again because of the 14th amendment, and that cancer is behind us.   As much as I would love to see that asshole behind bars, his end of the existential threat to democracy by him running and winning again is far more important to me than to have the satisfaction of getting Justice in seeing him behind bars.

Plus, I think pleading guilty and not being able to run would kill him. 

Edit: but that would be smart. And he’s an idiot. So it ain’t gonna happen.

If Trump ever signed a deal like that, he would eventually just ignore it. 

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