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[Francisco 2.0 32,389]

Gee, imagine that.  Another lawyer throws in the towel.

 

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-fulton-county-drew-findling-1234829429/

 

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LAST MONTH, WHEN Donald Trump parted ways with “Billion Dollar Lawyer” Drew Findling as his lead criminal defense attorney in the Fulton County, Georgia, case, the decision was then met with surprise and dismay, including among some of Trump’s closest advisers and lawyers. 

At first, the reasons behind the departure were opaque, with several high-ranking members of Team Trump asking one another why the ex-president would ditch someone who was internally viewed as perhaps Trump’s single most competent attorney. Findling was in the middle of leading the legal defense against the one prosecution that is likely the most perilous for Trump — and the lawyer was replaced just as the former president was about to have his historic mug shot taken in Georgia. 

 

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But as the dust settled, some of the reasons behind this shakeup became clearer. According to three sources with knowledge of the matter, the high-profile departure was largely driven by the same kind of power struggles that have long plagued Trump’s legal teams, even (or, especially) during times when Trump is trying his hardest to stay out of prison. Those problems only intensified when it became clear that Fulton County prosecutors were going to pursue a wide-ranging indictment of Trump and many of his confidants; it was the kind of nightmare scenario that Findling, well-known for his successful defenses of Cardi B and Offset, was hired to attempt to prevent.

The sources say that the problems stemmed in part from the tensions between Boris Epstheyn, a senior advisor to Trump who has also acted as an in-house counsel to the former president throughout the various criminal cases against him, and Findling.

 

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One of these sources tells Rolling Stone that tensions arose over the fact that “Boris [Epshteyn] did not control him.” 

This source adds that the tense working relationship between Epshteyn and Findling was evident to many within MAGA circles. “It was pretty well known,” this person says. Findling’s impending departure became apparent to others weeks before his announced departure in August as Epstheyn began a search for another Atlanta criminal defense attorney, according to the sources.

 

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One Trump advisor disputed the reports of tensions between the two attorneys, and pointed instead to the strength and reputation of the team’s current lead attorney in the Georgia case, Steve Sadow, as the reason for the transition. 

Like Findling, Sadow has experience representing celebrities, including the rapper Gunna, who have faced conspiracy charges in Fulton County. After word of Findling’s departure leaked in August, Sadow joined the legal team as lead attorney. (Jennifer Little, another Georgia criminal defense attorney who worked alongside Findling on the legal team, has stayed on.) 

Findling represented a smart choice for defending Trump in the Fulton County conspiracy case. A former president of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers, he has represented a number of celebrity clients in Atlanta facing charges under Georgia’s RICO and conspiracy statutes, including rapper YFN Lucci. 

“He is insightful and one of the finest lawyers I’ve ever dealt with,” says L. David Wolfe, an Atlanta criminal defense attorney who has known Findling since 1989 and represented Trump associates charged in the Fulton County case like Rudy Giuliani and John Eastman. “He is somebody that can convince a jury and also charm a jury.”

Findling also lent credibility to the newfound complaints among MAGA supporters about Fulton County prosecutors aggressive use of the conspiracy laws. Long before Fulton County charged Trump, Findling was frequent critic of the Georgia RICO statute, telling reporters that “we’ve exaggerated what RICO is Atlanta” and calling the law “completely fucking racist.”  

But as the months dragged on, fissures between Findling and some of Trump’s other lawyers began to emerge. A small group of Trump loyalists —  such as Epstheyn — would argue to the former president that Findling was not a team player, that he couldn’t be completely trusted to defend the ex-president, and that he was “anti-Trump,” according to those familiar with the matter. 

(It is a matter of public record that Findling has politically liberal views, and that he has publicly posted harshly negative tweets about Trump before representing him. Findling has consistently stated that his personal political beliefs aren’t relevant to his job of representing his clients.)

And as it became apparent that the Trump legal team would be unable to stop a Fulton County indictment of Trump on his election-rigging efforts, internal displeasure with Findling’s work and style deepened. For instance, Trump, Epstheyn, and some others in the inner circle grew frustrated with Findling’s apparent unwillingness to wage on the kind of flamboyant, scorched-earth pre-trial strategy that Trump often demands of his lawyers and aides in these cases, sources recount.

This decidedly Trumpian approach would have included embracing, or at least entertaining the former president’s anti-democratic lies about the 2020 election being “stolen” from him. It would have also included Findling and Trump’s Georgia legal team embarking on a mud-slinging, all-out campaign for the past year, such as aggressively assailing the character of Fulton County district attorney Fani Willis and others involved. “It just wasn’t the right fit,” one of the sources familiar with the situation says.

A spokesperson for Findling declined to answer questions from Rolling Stone or make him available for an interview.

Asked for comment, a Trump spokesman wrote in a statement that “The Trump legal team is completely aligned in battling these illegal and un-Constitutional witch-hunts.” They added that “Those who are actually on the team are focused on the work necessary to ensure that President Trump is vindicated across the board, and that the corrupt hoaxes aimed at interfering with the 2024 Presidential Election will fail.”

The tension in the Fulton County case echoes similar feuds that led to the unraveling of Trump’s legal team representing him in the Mar-a-Lago classified documents case.

As Rolling Stone reported in June, Epstheyn repeatedly clashed with other top Trump attorneys, including Jim Trusty, John Rowley, and Timothy Parlatore over control of Trump’s legal defense. Parlatore’s frustration became so great he resigned from the legal team in April, citing frustration with Epshteyn and his belief that the attorney hampered his ability to defend Trump.

Asked on Wednesday about Rolling Stone’s reporting on tensions between Findling and Epshteyn, Parlatore responded: “It does not surprise me.”

Perhaps the Findling-Trump match was bound to end poorly. Trump has been keen to turn any court case about the 2020 election into an opportunity to re-air his bogus conspiracy theories about election fraud. As Rolling Stone reported in July, he has pressed lawyers in his Washington, DC election interference case to parrot his election lies and use any trial to display “proof” that the election was stolen.

While attorneys like John Lauro have eagerly taken up that challenge, Findling never endorsed Trump’s election fraud narrative in his limited public comments about the case. In a rare comment on the case during an appearance MSNBC, Findling instead explicitly stated that he didn’t want to “start getting into political statements” when discussing Trump’s plight in Fulton County.

 

[Beau Vine 54,211]

12 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

with several high-ranking members of Team Trump asking one another why the ex-president would ditch someone who was internally viewed as perhaps Trump’s single most competent attorney.

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A small group of Trump loyalists —  such as Epstheyn — would argue to the former president that Findling was not a team player, that he couldn’t be completely trusted to defend the ex-president, and that he was “anti-Trump,” according to those familiar with the matter. 

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internal displeasure with Findling’s work and style deepened. For instance, Trump, Epstheyn, and some others in the inner circle grew frustrated with Findling’s apparent unwillingness to wage on the kind of flamboyant, scorched-earth pre-trial strategy that Trump often demands of his lawyers and aides in these cases, sources recount.

[Biff Tannen 45,673]

He's going to end up representing himself isn't he?

[TeeDubya 3,362]

1 hour ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Gee, imagine that.  Another lawyer throws in the towel.

 

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-fulton-county-drew-findling-1234829429/

"who was internally viewed as perhaps Trump’s single most competent attorney."

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"who was internally viewed as perhaps Trump’s single most competent attorney."

What an esteemed honor.  Like being the smartest poster on TexAgs.

[GopherRock 1,765]

1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

He's going to end up representing himself isn't he?

He who represents himself has a fool for a client.

[MrBig 5,396]

2 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

He's going to end up representing himself isn't he?

I’m sure there’s an endless number of Baylor Law attorneys willing to represent this guy 

[TexasEd 8,066]

On 9/21/2023 at 3:26 PM, tx 3 putt said:

He’s going to Skip the country. Russian fighters will fly to escort him home 

He'd try to run for President from Russia and a lot of dipshits would still vote for him.

[Js1 85,310]

5 minutes ago, TexasEd said:

He'd try to run for President from Russia and a lot of dipshits would still vote for him.

SCOTUS: the constitution doesn’t explicitly say you have to LIVE here to be POTUS. 

[Beau Vine 54,211]

2 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

He's going to end up representing himself isn't he?

[Biff Tannen 45,673]

2 hours ago, Js1 said:

SCOTUS + Republicans: the constitution doesn’t explicitly say you have to LIVE here to be POTUS. 

fixed

[tx 3 putt 76,905]

5 hours ago, TeeDubya said:

What an esteemed honor.  Like being the smartest poster on TexAgs.

that’s a very very low bar 

[Francisco 2.0 32,389]

 

 

[TwiceHorn 31,450]

4 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

Also, that Milley article that's been quoted for Luis Avila is a pretty good read.  https://www.textise.net/showText.aspx?strURL=https%3A//www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/11/general-mark-milley-trump-coup/675375/#main-content

I think this is my favorite quote showing what an epic, ignorant, unfit dumbshit Trump is:

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Kelly escorted Milley to the Oval Office. Milley saluted Trump and sat across from the president, who was seated at the Resolute Desk.

“You’re here because I’m interviewing you for the job of chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff,” Trump said. “What do you think of that?”

Milley responded: “I’ll do whatever you ask me to do.” At which point, Trump turned to Kelly and said, “What’s that other job Mattis wants him to do? Something in Europe?”

Kelly answered, “That’s SACEUR, the supreme allied commander in Europe.”

Trump asked, “What does that guy do?”

“That’s the person who commands U.S. forces in Europe,” Kelly said.

“Which is the better job?” Trump asked.

Kelly answered that the chairmanship is the better job. Trump offered Milley the role. The business of the meeting done, the conversation then veered in many different directions. But at one point Trump returned to the job offer, saying to Milley, “Mattis says you’re soft on transgenders. Are you soft on transgenders?”

That's what this is all about.

Edited September 23, 2023 by TwiceHorn

[tx 3 putt 76,905]

The Miley book will be pure lulz

[YGIFS 19,450]

Excuse me Kelly, what’s the SAUCE DE JOUR?

“It’s the Supreme Allied Commander of Europe, Mr. President.”

Mmmm, that sounds good.  Let’s do that.  

[Mdhorn 5,948]

7 hours ago, TexasEd said:

He'd try to run for President from Russia and a lot of dipshits would still vote for him.

While calling Dems and Libruhls Commies.  Because reality isn't where they live and vote.  

[Francisco 2.0 32,389]

It's good to know he can take his mind off of his legal issues and campaigning every now and then; to post things of importance:

 

[GhostOfTomJoad 9,324]

The last sentence of his rant about Stern is such an "on the nose" self description it's uncanny. Has dotard become self aware?

[BamaATL 16,593]

15 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

Translation: today Donald Trump learned Howard Stern makes more money than he does.

Howard Stern makes more money, and has more money than he does.  

[Red Five 40,852]

It's just a nice thing to say, you know? He's always full of positive affirmations. Makes the world a better place to live.

[Biff Tannen 45,673]

Lol what happened with Howard Stern to get dipshit all riled up?

[Lurch 5,930]

Lol what happened with Howard Stern to get dipshit all riled up?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/howard-stern-says-he-loves-being-woke-in-response-to-fan-criticism?via=twitter_page&utm_source=twitter_owned_tdb&utm_medium=socialflow&utm_campaign=owned_social

[Beau Vine 54,211]

[scottsins 1,966]

Is he only being prosecuted in the federal system?

In one post you discussed the disaster of a “failure to convict”, but also, where applicable (state cases) you discuss mot bargaining for anything less than prison. Prosecutors often have to weigh those two things. For DOTARD, and this question isn’t loaded at all, would you support the prosecution agreeing to a really light sentence, possibly without real confinement, if it meant a conviction of the offenses?

Personally, I’m not sure how I feel about it.

I think I might be ok with it, simply because the scenario of a long drawn out trial resulting in an acquittal makes blood lose from my ears.

[jimmyjazz 45,898]

6 minutes ago, scottsins said:

In one post you discussed the disaster of a “failure to convict”, but also, where applicable (state cases) you discuss mot bargaining for anything less than prison. Prosecutors often have to weigh those two things. For DOTARD, and this question isn’t loaded at all, would you support the prosecution agreeing to a really light sentence, possibly without real confinement, if it meant a conviction of the offenses?

Personally, I’m not sure how I feel about it.

I think I might be ok with it, simply because the scenario of a long drawn out trial resulting in an acquittal makes blood lose from my ears.

I don't know.  I understand the point above that the motivation should be to keep him from retaking office, but that's not really something the legal system should be concerned with.  They should be trying to convict guilty parties and doing as much as possible to ensure a reasonable sentence.  My layman's opinion is that Trump has done plenty to warrant prison time, but I'm not an attorney or a legal historian.

[Beau Vine 54,211]

Eagerly waiting for an angry incomprehensible tweettruth (sic) about Snoop:

 

[jimmyjazz 45,898]

Pay per view concept:  Snoop debates Ye

[G650 14,249]

9 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Pay per view concept:  Snoop debates Ye

[YGIFS 19,450]

I started counting how many pro-Trumpers I know that would watch that video and their first thought would be, "I bet that colored man has marijuana in his system when he disrespected authority like that" but I got tired and passed out.

[Rimbo 25,919]

 

old video but I don't remember seeing it

[TeeDubya 3,362]

18 U.S.C. § 922(d)(1) makes it a federal crime to sell a firearm to a person who is under felony indictment.

18 U.S.C. § 922(n) makes it a federal crime for a person under indictment to ship or transport a firearm.

[YGIFS 19,450]

wait, whut?  

[Bozo_Casanova 26,444]

14 minutes ago, TeeDubya said:

18 U.S.C. § 922(d)(1) makes it a federal crime to sell a firearm to a person who is under felony indictment.

18 U.S.C. § 922(n) makes it a federal crime for a person under indictment to ship or transport a firearm.

Ugh, as a Palmetto State Armory customer, I'm aware of their politics and don't really mind them but hosting somebody under felony indictment really seems gross. 

Also check out Jamin McCallum's super terrible gun safety and handling on display in this video. @Brisketexan what would your father done if he had seen you do this? I know what mine would have done. 

 

Edited September 25, 2023 by Bozo_Casanova

[Js1 85,310]

Maybe he’ll shoot himself in the face trying to show off 

[YGIFS 19,450]

What's the name of the Armory in South Carolina?  

[Biff Tannen 45,673]

21 minutes ago, TeeDubya said:

18 U.S.C. § 922(d)(1) makes it a federal crime to sell a firearm to a person who is under felony indictment.

18 U.S.C. § 922(n) makes it a federal crime for a person under indictment to ship or transport a firearm.

So nothing matters, right?

[Pato del Muerto 52,489]

America first. Glock is a good American company , right?

and no I don’t care if some Gump in South Carolina modded 80% of it and then marked it up crazy high.  It’s still Austrian. 

16 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

So nothing matters, right?

More proof that gun laws don’t stop criminals!

[Judge Roybeanbag 11,819]

24 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Maybe he’ll shoot himself in the face trying to show off 

Is there a 5th Avenue in SC?   Maybe he will finally shoot a man in the face (himself) on 5th Avenue.

[C-Man 27,214]

Dear lord: 

 

 

Sounds like his campaign was pretty adamant later to say dipshit didn't buy anything after all. Guess somebody in his team realized what was about to happen.

[Brisketexan 105,095]

35 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Ugh, as a Palmetto State Armory customer, I'm aware of their politics and don't really mind them but hosting somebody under felony indictment really seems gross. 

Also check out Jamin McCallum's super terrible gun safety and handling on display in this video. @Brisketexan what would your father done if he had seen you do this? I know what mine would have done. 

 

Sigh.  You mean the pointing of the gun at.....everyone on the left side of that room?  Sure, my dad would be livid.

But, when you realize that none of that matters, because "guns" are no longer "dangerous firearms, to be treated with appropriate caution, safety, and respect for their lethality," and are instead now talismans of a psychotic cult that waves them around as a symbol of the wielder's power and willingness to hurt people, that conduct makes perfect sense.

Guns are not tools that are treated with the proper respect.  They are symbols flaunted by a cult.

[Bullneck 19,078]

42 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Ugh, as a Palmetto State Armory customer, I'm aware of their politics and don't really mind them but hosting somebody under felony indictment really seems gross. 

Also check out Jamin McCallum's super terrible gun safety and handling on display in this video. @Brisketexan what would your father done if he had seen you do this? I know what mine would have done. 

 

 

 

[Born to Run 6,569]

54 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Ugh, as a Palmetto State Armory customer, I'm aware of their politics and don't really mind them but hosting somebody under felony indictment really seems gross. 

Also check out Jamin McCallum's super terrible gun safety and handling on display in this video. @Brisketexan what would your father done if he had seen you do this? I know what mine would have done. 

My head reflexively twitched watching this, because my pops would have smacked me on my ear hole if I handled a pistol like this. 

 

[wildcat09 29,349]

 

 

[Captainant 27,653]

4 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

 

 

a judge appointed at the 11th hour of a criminal presidency, who keeps mysteriously getting trump cases assigned to her, causing everything to move as slow as possible and delay delay delay??? I was told this was unpossible!

[Pig Bellmont 8,712]

26 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Sounds like his campaign was pretty adamant later to say dipshit didn't buy anything after all.

Did the campaign or someone working for him buy it for him? Did they leave with the gun? Seems like it’d be pretty easy to find out

[C-Man 27,214]

3 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

Did the campaign or someone working for him buy it for him? Did they leave with the gun? Seems like it’d be pretty easy to find out

FWIW

[Grade of D as in David 13,253]

I'm guessing he couldn't afford it 

[Captainant 27,653]

4 minutes ago, C-Man said:

FWIW

2 minutes ago, Grade of D as in David said:

I'm guessing he couldn't afford it 

crossing state lines to buy a gun may be a violation of his bail

[Bullneck 19,078]

52 minutes ago, C-Man said:

FWIW

"Free food for everyone!"

[Pig Bellmont 8,712]

52 minutes ago, C-Man said:

FWIW

Yeah bc I’m sure his campaign wouldn’t lie