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[Post Oak 20256]

32 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

What a joke.  

[The Dog 44124]

1 minute ago, Gatorubet said:

Elite. Strike. Force. Team.  

Jenna and Rudy’s lawyers have to be re-thinking things.   Like, “why didn’t we plead before she did?”

I doubt they are dishing out any more 6 month probations now they have her  testimony.  

She was one of the ringleaders and was in the room for all of the conversations. This is a MASSIVE flip. 

[Ted Lange 16113]

 

[The Dog 44124]

 

[Captainant 27727]

the fucking insanity of SO FUCKING MANY churches being used for political rallies and criminal campaigns is just off the charts

[Nice Guy Eddie 13521]

9 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

Think Chesebro is getting nervous?  His trial is about to start.

Just read that his lawyers started a Give Send Go campaign on his behalf because, apparently, he's broke.

 

Gotta love (actually not) how Trump is using this case to earn millions and he doesn't share a dime with any of them.

Outside of a few people who remain useful to Trump, he leaves carnage in his close sphere. So many arrests, lawyer fees and ultimately convictions. I assume bankruptcy or diminished financial prospects are there as well.

[Gatorubet 30290]

Especially fucked are Scott Hall, Misty, Hampton and Kathleen Latham.

They share the same RICO count charges 32-37.      But just because she wasn’t charged in other counts does not mean she doesn’t have evidence that can prove those other counts. It just means they did not have enough on her at the time to charge her. Her depth and breadth of knowledge about all things overturning the election will provide a bunch of evidence in other counts.

[BamaATL 16593]

1 minute ago, Gatorubet said:

Especially fucked are Scott Hall, Misty, Hampton and Kathleen Latham.

They share the same RICO count charges 32-37.      But just because she wasn’t charged in other counts does not mean she doesn’t have evidence that can prove those other counts. It just means they did not have enough on her at the time to charge her. Her depth and breadth of knowledge about all things overturning the election will provide a bunch of evidence in other counts.

Didn't Hall already plead out?

[Pato del Muerto 52571]

1 hour ago, Gatorubet said:

I believe they now refer to her as, “The Calamari.”

Sid the squid

[Gatorubet 30290]

5 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

Didn't Hall already plead out?

Forgot that.  Great point.  2 of the 4 pled.  Remaining two uber fucked

[Chad Fuck 17743]

 

You know, when this is all said and done, I'm going to relish the opportunity to watch many, many heads explode at the idea that African-American women held the line for democracy in America.  Their low tolerance for bullshit is a blessing for us all.  

[Ted Lange 16113]

If you are curious of the MAGAt spin...

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 19, 2023 by Ted Lange

[MrBig 5429]

2 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

 

You know, when this is all said and done, I'm going to relish the opportunity to watch many, many heads explode at the idea that African-American women held the line for democracy in America.  Their low tolerance for bullshit is a blessing for us all.  

This is pretty good. But you forgot to insert the frame where Trump says, “No I want the original white Jake from State Farm. The one who wore khakis.” 

[Red Five 40881]

2 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:

If you are curious how the MAGAt spin...

 

 

 

 

 

Is that a Three Year Letterman type account? 

[Chad Fuck 17743]

3 minutes ago, MrBig said:

This is pretty good. But you forgot to insert the frame where Trump says, “No I want the original white Jake from State Farm. The one who wore khakis.” 

How could he tell over the phone?  

 

 

[Francisco 2.0 32416]

[SydneyCarton 48150]

28 minutes ago, Captainant said:

the fucking insanity of SO FUCKING MANY churches being used for political rallies and criminal campaigns is just off the charts

I'm all for going after billionaires who don't pay taxes and the mega wealthy, but to be honest, I think a huge percentage of the new IRS investiture should be revoking the tax-exempt status of churches that spew politics from the pulpit. Big or fucking small. Fine them, make them pay back fucking taxes back to the year where they have video evidence of this shit, and suspect status. They can re-apply in 5 or 10 years after paying taxes, and if they choose to fold and re-form, they can't hire any of the pastors and admins from the previous chruch (for the big mega-churches). And revoke Scientology. 

[Bozo_Casanova 26522]

1 hour ago, Gatorubet said:

The thought just occurred to me - has the Texas bar grievance appeal been ruled on yet? Because this probably won’t help her.

@TwiceHorn- Is the bar getting to the Powell matter, or are they busy punishing people for not returning phone calls promptly?

[TwiceHorn 31529]

16 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:

If you are curious of the MAGAt spin...

 

 

 

 

 

D'oh, fuck.  

[Beau Vine 54381]

56 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

trump about to go Isreal and that jet is going to keep going to Russia 

[TwiceHorn 31529]

11 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

@TwiceHorn- Is the bar getting to the Powell matter, or are they busy punishing people for not returning phone calls promptly?

Briefing on the appeal is complete.  They didn't ask for oral argument.  So I guess it's ripe for decision any time now, but probably not for a couple of months.

Also, your implication is kinda stupid.  The Bar is pursuing Powell with all diligence if something less than competence.  As has been explained in exhausting detail, this type of case is outside their usual sphere of competence and experience.

Edited October 19, 2023 by TwiceHorn

[Bozo_Casanova 26522]

6 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Briefing on the appeal is complete.  They didn't ask for oral argument.  So I guess it's ripe for decision any time now, but probably not for a couple of months.

Sarcastic jokes aside, what's that process like? IOW, what is happening behind closed doors in that interim periiod?

[BamaATL 16593]

So Cheesedick is totally the guy that takes this all the way and takes a huge loss, isn't he?  Guilty on the full whack, immediately remanded and sentenced to 30 years.  

[Chad Fuck 17743]

Just now, BamaATL said:

So Cheesedick is totally the guy that takes this all the way and takes a huge loss, isn't he?  Guilty on the full whack, immediately remanded and sentenced to 30 years.  

From your lips to Cheesedick's ears.

[TwiceHorn 31529]

12 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Sarcastic jokes aside, what's that process like? IOW, what is happening behind closed doors in that interim periiod?

The court of appeals will read the briefs, consider the evidence in the record and decide whether the trial judge properly rendered summary judgment in favor of Powell.

The issue is almost 100% procedural.  The evidence of Powell's dissembling was on file or of record in connection with something filed with the court.  That something was not necessarily the motion for summary judgment and response.  There is a smaller question whether that evidence is sufficient for the judgment.  So, the evidence was "there," but the court was not necessarily pointed to it directly.  The fact that it was there helps a lot, that the court has to go on a "scavenger hunt" for the evidence does not help at all.

In a federal court, with which I am most familiar, I think the Bar would lose.  I can't say what will happen with this state court thing.

Edited October 19, 2023 by TwiceHorn

[kevwun 15856]

16 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

So Cheesedick is totally the guy that takes this all the way and takes a huge loss, isn't he?  Guilty on the full whack, immediately remanded and sentenced to 30 years.  

Yes, that sentence for Sidney is a real good sign that she gave the Prosecutors everything they wanted on Cheeto.

[Horn Dog 9904]

1 hour ago, Captainant said:

the fucking insanity of SO FUCKING MANY churches being used for political rallies and criminal campaigns is just off the charts

Now just imagine what would actually happen to them  if the churches where Dem supporters instead of Pub supporters.  

[Gatorubet 30290]

46 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:

If you are curious of the MAGAt spin...

 

 

 

 

 

A DA overcharge??? 

[TwiceHorn 31529]

I'm going to guess that Powell took a plea to avoid a felony conviction, which would almost automatically suspend/disbar her.

A misdemeanor of moral turpitude could also subject her to discipline.  What is and is not moral turpitude, outside of thefty things, can be a complex question.

ETA:  Overall, I'd say I'm disappointed in this.  Unless her proffer nails Trump to the wall, I don't give that much of a shit about Cheeseman or even Jeff Clark.

Edited October 19, 2023 by TwiceHorn

[The Dog 44124]

2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I'm going to guess that Powell took a plea to avoid a felony conviction, which would almost automatically suspend/disbar her.

A misdemeanor of moral turpitude could also subject her to discipline.  What is and is not moral turpitude, outside of thefty things, can be a complex question.

also getting a close up look at that Fulton County jail made her appreciate freedom. 

14 minutes ago, kevwun said:

Yes, that sentence for Sidney is a real good sign that she gave the Prosecutors everything they wanted on Cheeto and Trump.

FIFY

She's a very high value witness against everyone involved. 

Wonder who else takes a deal and who else was offered.

ooohh and there's this speculation from Glenn:

 

[Macanudo 13009]

16 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

What is and is not moral turpitude, outside of thefty things, can be a complex question.

Is it really?   Oh wait, for lawyers, yes.

[SydneyCarton 48150]

7 minutes ago, Macanudo said:

Is it really?   Oh wait, for lawyers, yes.

Axiom of Foundation's latest abortion in Daily Texan is...in the Daily Texan, sir. Or in the Israel thread on this board. I'd highly reccomend None. 

[YGIFS 19452]

I have to admit the "They overcharged her and they knew it" is a much better spin than "The Democrats did this to McCarthy/Jordan/et. al.!"  If you don't understand how plea deals work and believe MAGA nation, you'll fall for this quite easily.  Of course, if you're in MAGA nation, it's likely you do understand plea deals and are reading this during your 10 minutes of internet time per week in a federal prison for January 6th.  So quit reading and enjoy some soft core porn.  

I certainly hope Powell also gets witness protection for these next six years, at least.  Remember how hard we laughed as drunk college kids at the scene in "Billy Madison" where Steve Buscemi crosses Billy off the list of people to kill and then puts on lipstick?  That is happening in real life right now, all across this country.  They're making lists of people who sold out Trump to save their own ass and they're going to hunt them for the rest of this decade.  And they're going to actually get to some of them, whether on the outside or in prison.  They think this will make their Orange God acknowledge them finally.  That's all they've ever wanted, validation.  

Thoughts and Prayers to the Kraken family on her upcoming demise.  

[TwiceHorn 31529]

1 hour ago, The Dog said:

also getting a close up look at that Fulton County jail made her appreciate freedom. 

FIFY

She's a very high value witness against everyone involved. 

Wonder who else takes a deal and who else was offered.

ooohh and there's this speculation from Glenn:

 

Kirschner seems to be in lala land with the over-optmiistic takes on everything.

If she's cooperating with the feds, that means she's going to get off easy with them, too.

[Gatorubet 30290]

4 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Kirschner seems to be in lala land with the over-optmiistic takes on everything.

If she's cooperating with the feds, that means she's going to get off easy with them, too.

My ears pricked up at the comment that as part of her plea deal she was supplying them with information in addition to her testimony.  God knows what recordings and burner phone texts she gave them.

She strikes me as someone who would’ve been covering her ass the entire time….in case this went South.

[Red Five 40881]

So is she gonna end up on Bannon's show talking about how this was all bullshit and they made her do it, or will she just disappear?

[troph 24905]

3 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I'm specifically thinking of the meeting that included Powell, Trump, Guiliani and the Overstock.com CEO, who is not an attorney nor a govt employee. I would think that bringing in a random dude into a meeting with the President has to remove all semblance of privilege. 

fuck. there went all my billable hours to analyze this shit.

[troph 24905]

3 hours ago, Ted Lange said:

 

"fill her mouth lord with the words that have not yet been spoken, let her be a mighty voice in the courtrooms that demons begin to tremble..."

Ms. Powell, how do you plead?  "Guilty, your honor"

those would be words not yet spoken, fairly mighty in the courtroom if you ask me. in this simulation I think Trump and GQP MAGA are the demons. 

my momma always said be careful what you pray for!

oof.

[Your Mom 4844]

3 hours ago, Captainant said:

the fucking insanity of SO FUCKING MANY churches being used for political rallies and criminal campaigns is just off the charts

Not disagreeing with you, but it’s nothing new. It’s been happening for hundreds of years.  

[kevwun 15856]

35 minutes ago, Red Five said:

So is she gonna end up on Bannon's show talking about how this was all bullshit and they made her do it, or will she just disappear?

That violates her plea deal, so she gets to go to jail if she does.

[SubliminalHorn 6811]

4 hours ago, Chad Fuck said:

 

You know, when this is all said and done, I'm going to relish the opportunity to watch many, many heads explode at the idea that African-American women held the line for democracy in America.  Their low tolerance for bullshit is a blessing for us all.  

They’ve always held the line. They’ve always been the spine and heart of the country. They’ve just never been recognized for it. And really the Black community in general, when they had/have every reason to say “fuck you”

[SubliminalHorn 6811]

4 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

I'm all for going after billionaires who don't pay taxes and the mega wealthy, but to be honest, I think a huge percentage of the new IRS investiture should be revoking the tax-exempt status of churches that spew politics from the pulpit. Big or fucking small. Fine them, make them pay back fucking taxes back to the year where they have video evidence of this shit, and suspect status. They can re-apply in 5 or 10 years after paying taxes, and if they choose to fold and re-form, they can't hire any of the pastors and admins from the previous chruch (for the big mega-churches). And revoke Scientology. 

But hasn’t anybody thought about the chreestyans??

[Chad Fuck 17743]

13 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

They’ve always held the line. They’ve always been the spine and heart of the country. They’ve just never been recognized for it. And really the Black community in general, when they had/have every reason to say “fuck you”

[The Dog 44124]

 

[YGIFS 19452]

And Jerry...he tried to Lam, but they'd Chesebro'd him.  

[Biff Tannen 45712]

23 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

And Jerry...he tried to Lam, but they'd Chesebro'd him.  

God damn this is good

[YGIFS 19452]

1 minute ago, Biff Tannen said:

God damn this is good

You really think so?  Because I was worried "Chesebro'd" sounded too ethnic when I pressed return.

Edited October 19, 2023 by YGIFS

[TwiceHorn 31529]

Here's maybe what I think may be going on with Powell.

As far as I remember, she was dismissed from the Trump clown car as too crazy by December 2020 at about the latest.  Her role was mostly confined to attempting to "prove" the election was stolen, whereas the key events in the federal criminal case really take place after that had become a lost cause.

So. I don't think she was really around for 1/6 or the predecessor events in the false elector scheme.  She certainly can testify as to Trump's state of mind and knowledge up until her dismissal, though.

By most accounts, Chesebrough was involved in those things, and heavily.

So Cephalopod Sid flips on Cheeseman, and Trump to an extent, and applies great pressure to Cheeseman to flip on the federal level.

[The Dog 44124]

Read somewhere else that she was motivated to take a deal due to the Dominion lawsuit. She was scheduled to give a deposition for that and was worried she'd incriminate herself in this one. Something along those lines. 

[TwiceHorn 31529]

6 minutes ago, The Dog said:

Read somewhere else that she was motivated to take a deal due to the Dominion lawsuit. She was scheduled to give a deposition for that and was worried she'd incriminate herself in this one. Something along those lines. 

I can see every reason in the world for her to take a misdemeanor plea.  Simple risk/reward there.

I can't see every reason in the world for Willis to give her one. 

What she had to offer must have been good. Chesebrough is, at least publicly, a lower-value target as between them.  He might be higher-value in the way that I mentioned.