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[TexasHooch 5122]

Just watched the video.  Holy shit.  This is so dishonest and is in such bad faith.  And I know, duh- of course it is, but still.  You declined to cross!!!! Everything that "he didn't get to explain", could have been remedied by your own questioning! You didn't ask questions because you wanted to get him out of the hole he was digging because, in reality, he was saying to much!

[TexasHooch 5122]

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/msnbc-guesses-trump-wasn-t-005839874.html

[elfenix 34238]

Trump would filibuster his own attorneys on cross

[Biff Tannen 45683]

7 minutes ago, TexasHooch said:

Just watched the video.  Holy shit.  This is so dishonest and is in such bad faith.  And I know, duh- of course it is, but still.  You declined to cross!!!! Everything that "he didn't get to explain", could have been remedied by your own questioning! You didn't ask questions because you wanted to get him out of the hole he was digging because, in reality, he was saying too much!

Derp. Misunderstood your post. Carry on. 

Edited November 7, 2023 by Biff Tannen

[Biff Tannen 45683]

Lulz

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"Normally the reason that there is no cross examination- normally in the
normal case with normal people -

 

[TeeDubya 3362]

3 hours ago, C-Man said:

This fuckstain just needs to become worm food. It's the only thing that will save us from him and his despicable family.

No fucking worm with any semblance of invertebrate character would eat that poisonous glob of toxic blubber, stale urine, and Adderall...

[YGIFS 19450]

Serious question---do you think he'll be buried in that lady's sportswatch?  

Or will it be like the Elvis A(a)ron grave tombstone where if he's not wearing it on his corpse, it'll prove that he's not really dead and operating our government in exile?  

[tx 3 putt 76951]

Hmmm

I thought forgiven loans were the devil and socialism 

[Biff Tannen 45683]

How does one get millions in loans forgiven by REFUSING TO PAY and not pay taxes on them?  Asking for myself, because if that is true, I'm going to rethink my life.

Edited November 7, 2023 by Biff Tannen

[Underdog 28627]

That makes him smart according to him. 

[YGIFS 19450]

I've known literally dozens of grown, somewhat intelligent adults in my lifetime that have made a creditor deal on everything from a large commercial loan default to a charge-off on a small in-store credit card; who didn't know you had to pay taxes on that "forgiven" amount.  They honestly, not criminally, thought, "Okay, I pay my income taxes and my payroll taxes and my sales tax and all that.  And then over here, I took out a $5k credit limit, and paid down half of it and charged off the rest but kept the $2500 in stuff I bought.  So it dings my credit for a few years, but otherwise I'm square."  It's actually a disfunction of how bad our financial literacy training in this country is, but that's another story for another time.  

And also, none of the people to whom I refer became game show hosts or President of the United States.  

[TwiceHorn 31464]

17 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

How does one get millions in loans forgiven by REFUSING TO PAY and not pay taxes on them?  Asking for myself, because if that is true, I'm going to rethink my life.

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The forgiven debts largely were for the construction of a 92-story skyscraper in Chicago, which was completed just as the Great Recession got under way in 2008—with the global economy in shambles, the Trump Organization was unable to sell many of the tower’s multimillion-dollar condos, the Times reported Tuesday.

 

Trump, through two of his LLCs, had taken out more than $700 million in loans for the project from Germany’s Deutsche Bank and Fortress Investment Group, a private equity firm.

 

Trump refused to pay his debts when they came due, instead suing for “predatory lending practices” and seeking $3 billion in damages against Deutsche Bank.

 

The lenders, knowing Trump’s reputation for litigiousness and fondness for airing disputes out in public, chose to negotiate a settlement in which they forgave $270 million of the debt for which Trump was responsible.

Forgiven debt in most cases counts as income, but Trump used massive losses across his business empire to avoid paying almost all taxes on the forgiven loans, according to the Times.

There's your answer.  At that time, DB probably had some bigger fish to fry with CDOs and CDSs.

[Biff Tannen 45683]

9 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

There's your answer.  At that time, DB probably had some bigger fish to fry with CDOs and CDSs.

Aha, so I have to get in bed with a criminal banking organization.  That makes sense.

Is Deutsche Bank still operating?  Because they should be strung up with the others.

[TwiceHorn 31464]

So, update on Trump's motions to dismiss.  The only serious one is the presidential immunity one, because it is writing on a blank slate.  The others are First Amendment and selective prosecution that are borderline frivolous.

The government has responded to all of them, and done a very good job.

I was worried about one aspect of the immunity motion and that is the appeal.  Immunity often carries with the immunity to liability, the immunity from having to stand trial, which sometimes means even pretrial proceedings, pending an appeal.  

But the government points out that the immunity in addition to liability is just to standing trial, not pre-trial proceedings.  In a civil case, it can mean discovery and the 'active" aspects of civil pretrial stuff, but not in a criminal case.

So, that would seem to mean that the case will proceed but not actually go to trial as long as an appeal is pending (Supreme Court doesn't count here unless they specifically order a stay of the case).

[TwiceHorn 31464]

7 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Aha, so I have to get in bed with a criminal banking organization.  That makes sense.

Is Deutsche Bank still operating?  Because they should be strung up with the others.

Our good friends here in Texas, the Hunt brothers, basically invented the "predatory lending/lender liablilty" lawsuit when the banks called in their silver loans.

[Biff Tannen 45683]

3 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Our good friends here in Texas, the Hunt brothers, basically invented the "predatory lending/lender liablilty" lawsuit when the banks called in their silver loans.

Those are the private religious school psychos, yes?

[pantone159 719]

4 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Those are the private religious school psychos, yes?

No, they are the ones that tried to corner the silver market back around 1980 or so, driving up the price to $50/ozt briefly, until it all crashed down.

 

[Biff Tannen 45683]

Hard to keep up with the all the fuck sticks, my bad.

[Rimbo 25930]

6 hours ago, C-Man said:

This fuckstain just needs to become worm food. It's the only thing that will save us from him and his despicable family.

Dude. That's an awful thing to say. What do you have against worms?

[Native Horn 3504]

21 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Hard to keep up with the all the fuck sticks, my bad.

New Surly motto?

[tx 3 putt 76951]

1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

How does one get millions in loans forgiven by REFUSING TO PAY and not pay taxes on them?  Asking for myself, because if that is true, I'm going to rethink my life.

white privilege 

[TwiceHorn 31464]

55 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Those are the private religious school psychos, yes?

Uh no. 

Awl men. Spawn of H. L. Hunt. Herbert, Bunker and Lamar, owner of the Chiefs. Although I think Lamar may not have been involved in the silver heist. Or was the chief. 

Clarkie, current owner of the Chiefs, went to TCA, which looks quite sane these days, for a private religious school, AFAIK. 

HL was a white supremacist piece of shit, but he was also born in 1889.  He'd fit right in today, though.

Edited November 7, 2023 by TwiceHorn

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13585]

4 hours ago, The Dog said:

 

Sir, this is a witness stand.

[MissingInAction 25070]

49 minutes ago, pantone159 said:

No, they are the ones that tried to corner the silver market back around 1980 or so, driving up the price to $50/ozt briefly, until it all crashed down.

 

What about the orange crop?

[Biff Tannen 45683]

18 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Uh no. 

Awl men. Spawn of H. L. Hunt. Herbert, Bunker and Lamar, owner of the Chiefs. Although I think Lamar may not have been involved in the silver heist. Or was the chief. 

Clarkie, current owner of the Chiefs, went to TCA, which looks quite sane these days, for a private religious school, AFAIK. 

HL was a white supremacist piece of shit, but he was also born in 1889.  He'd fit right in today, though.

I understand about nine words of that word salad.

[Francisco 2.0 32389]

5 minutes ago, MissingInAction said:

What about the orange crop?

Obligatory:

 

 

 

[TwiceHorn 31464]

6 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

I understand about nine words of that word salad.

You really probably should know who is HL Hunt, as a Texan.  And by extension, his children, legitimate and otherwise.

Should actually google him up, some interesting aspects to the story and legit (not Trump) richest man in the world for a lot of his adult life.

Edited November 8, 2023 by TwiceHorn

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1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

How does one get millions in loans forgiven by REFUSING TO PAY and not pay taxes on them?  Asking for myself, because if that is true, I'm going to rethink my life.

Socialism - get others to cover for your fuckups and basically give you free money (forgiven and no taxes paid).

If that Socialist Biden has his way, millions more people would get loans forgiven.

 

[Biff Tannen 45683]

6 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

You really probably should know who is HL Hunt, as a Texan.  And by extension, his children, legitimate and otherwise.

Should actually google him up, some interesting aspects to the story and legit (not Trump) richest man in the world for a lot of his adult life.

Per wiki:

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He did not go to elementary school or to high school. Later, he said that education is an obstacle to making money

 

This is not at all surprising to me.  Education, especially higher education, in my opinion, is in large part about learning how to interact and empathize with other human beings.  Understand how they experience the world and broaden your mind and ultimately make yourself a better human.  When money is your only driving goal, you can easily turn into a piece of shit that harms others.

[TwiceHorn 31464]

3 hours ago, elfenix said:

Trump would filibuster his own attorneys on cross

In contrast to the "witness control" on cross-examination of hostile (not favorable or not your) witnesses, when you do direct examination of your witnesses, you want them to narrate their testimony without excessive prompts from you.  It makes a more persuasive story (and you aren't permitted leading questions on direct).  But your opponent will object successfully if your witness goes on too long, or wanders into irrelevance.  Can be a tough thing.

A lot of the time, it can be hard to get witnesses to do that at all.  But holy shit, what a disaster Trump would be.

[TwiceHorn 31464]

13 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Per wiki:

This is not at all surprising to me.  Education, especially higher education, in my opinion, is in large part about learning how to interact and empathize with other human beings.  Understand how they experience the world and broaden your mind and ultimately make yourself a better human.  When money is your only driving goal, you can easily turn into a piece of shit that harms others.

Well, remember, too, that he was school-aged from about 1900-1908.  But also read this. https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/daddys-money/

[Beau Vine 54225]

52 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

In contrast to the "witness control" on cross-examination of hostile (not favorable or not your) witnesses, when you do direct examination of your witnesses, you want them to narrate their testimony without excessive prompts from you.  It makes a more persuasive story (and you aren't permitted leading questions on direct).  But your opponent will object successfully if your witness goes on too long, or wanders into irrelevance.  Can be a tough thing.

A lot of the time, it can be hard to get witnesses to do that at all.  But holy shit, what a disaster Trump would be.

He would blow his fucking top after about the third "Objection, relevance." 

It would be glorious.

[Beau Vine 54225]

1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

He did not go to elementary school or to high school.

So junior high is key?  Who knew?

[Born to Run 6569]

This is not at all surprising to me.  Education, especially higher education, in my opinion, is in large part about learning how to interact and empathize with other human beings.  Understand how they experience the world and broaden your mind and ultimately make yourself a better human.  When money is your only driving goal, you can easily turn into a piece of shit that harms others.

Texas History is full of misfit white guys doing whatever the fuck they want, other people or the environment be damned.

[Bullneck 19088]

Say what you want, but Alina seems like she'd a hell of a fun blind date.

[TeeDubya 3362]

14 minutes ago, Bullneck said:

Say what you want, but Alina seems like she'd a hell of a fun blind date.

I'd bind that over for trial....

[Pato del Muerto 52497]

2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Uh no. 

Awl men. Spawn of H. L. Hunt. Herbert, Bunker and Lamar, owner of the Chiefs. Although I think Lamar may not have been involved in the silver heist. Or was the chief. 

Clarkie, current owner of the Chiefs, went to TCA, which looks quite sane these days, for a private religious school, AFAIK. 

HL was a white supremacist piece of shit, but he was also born in 1889.  He'd fit right in today, though.

Harrison has his name on a hospital in Dallas, too. 

[WhatTheBuck 28781]

On 8/3/2023 at 5:15 PM, WhatTheBuck said:

Keep an eye on Ohio’s special election on Tuesday. 

 

On 8/3/2023 at 5:19 PM, SimonBolivar said:

No offense but I trust ya'll about the same as I trust us in elections.

Hey buddy, just in case you thought I forgot that comment, I haven’t. Just wanted to say suck it. 

[TwiceHorn 31464]

1 hour ago, Born to Run said:

2 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

This is not at all surprising to me.  Education, especially higher education, in my opinion, is in large part about learning how to interact and empathize with other human beings.  Understand how they experience the world and broaden your mind and ultimately make yourself a better human.  When money is your only driving goal, you can easily turn into a piece of shit that harms others.

Texas History is full of misfit white guys doing whatever the fuck they want, other people or the environment be damned.

Well a lot of oil fortunes, which is really what Texas is "about," were made in the early 20th century when education wasn't really a thing here, or much of anywhere.

And, the persistence of an oil man back then, despite overwhelming failure, is probably not something a lot of educated men would have possessed (meaning mighty close to stupidity or recklessness).

Edited November 8, 2023 by TwiceHorn

[Slacks 6820]

4 hours ago, Underdog said:

That makes him smart according to him. 

He said it. I kinda agree. 

I mean, it makes somebody not smart, so... 

[Bookman 4639]

7 hours ago, The Dog said:

 

A mistrial for a bench trial. Okay.

[C-Man 27224]

5 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Uh no. 

Awl men. Spawn of H. L. Hunt. Herbert, Bunker and Lamar, owner of the Chiefs. Although I think Lamar may not have been involved in the silver heist. Or was the chief. 

Clarkie, current owner of the Chiefs, went to TCA, which looks quite sane these days, for a private religious school, AFAIK. 

HL was a white supremacist piece of shit, but he was also born in 1889.  He'd fit right in today, though.

Pretty sure Clark and his wife were driving forces in early book-banning initiatives in HPISD 5-6 years ago.

 

2 hours ago, Bullneck said:

Say what you want, but Alina seems like she'd a hell of a fun blind date.

There is a 99.89% chance she would murder you in your sleep.

[safe sex 11724]

This is not my finest moment, but my dating life has been a wreck lately, so if she was buying the drinks...would.

I feel gross for a number of reasons. To be human..

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14 minutes ago, safe sex said:

This is not my finest moment, but my dating life has been a wreck lately, so if she was buying the drinks...would.

I feel gross for a number of reasons. To be human..

24 minutes ago, C-Man said:

There is a 99.89% chance she would murder you in your sleep.

 

[Bozo_Casanova 26455]

5 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

TCA, which looks quite sane these days, for a private religious school, AFAIK. 

Back in the late 80s-early 90’s there was a very lovely elite ice skater who trained at Plaza of the Americas downtown and went to TCA. I can’t quite picture her in my mind or remember her name but I was quite smitten for a minute. 
Sigh…

Edited November 8, 2023 by Bozo_Casanova

[StassneyHorn 6575]

11 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

Hmmm

I thought forgiven loans were the devil and socialism 

Post it everywhere. Make it a default response

[TwiceHorn 31464]

6 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Back in the late 80s-early 90’s there was a very lovely elite ice skater who trained at Plaza of the Americas downtown and went to TCA. I can’t quite picture her in my mind or remember her name but I was quite smitten for a minute. 
Sigh…

Our good friend Chelsea Davis, RIP, erstwhile patent lawyer and florid bipolar schizophrenic, was a TCA grad.

ETA:  Correction, Clark, son of Lamar, current owner of KC Chiefs, went to St. Marks, not TCA.

Edited November 8, 2023 by TwiceHorn

[locodos 5387]

7 hours ago, safe sex said:

This is not my finest moment, but my dating life has been a wreck lately, so if she was buying the drinks...would.

I feel gross for a number of reasons. To be human..

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[BearSchlong 8093]

My ex-wife was always whining about how she should have married her childhood friend Clark Hunt instead of me.

50/50 chance
- she was once in the same room with him
(probably at Kanakuk or Neiman Marcus)
- she blew him at church camp

[RomaVicta 29907]

On 11/6/2023 at 6:00 PM, Red Five said:

I watched a brief recap of this on the national news tonight (Lester Holt). No fucking wonder Dotard is leading in the polls. They treated this like "ho hum, just every day politics. Trump has his side and the AG has a different side. We'll see what happens. Btw, Trump is leading that old guy Biden in the polls. Anyway...."

That is a small exaggeration but not much.

Very succinct description of TV news. They don't find news themselves, they just get opinion quotes. They maintain an absolutely childish adherence to the notion that there are two approximately equal sides to every story.

They wouldn't have any news at all to report if it weren't for print journalism. They only cover predictable stuff. They love the election cycle because they can just about say the same thing in 2 and 3 year cycles with just a few name changes. 

They're fumbling the two biggest stories since WW2: Climate Cataclysm and the Fascist Threat to the USA. They handle them pretty much just as Red 5 describes.