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HillCountryBevo
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Imagine your basis of hating Trump is because of mean tweets, January 6 and “hush money” trial all because liberal media is crooked. Fuck right off. This is my last post in this forum  dumb fucki

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When you're a court, you just grab their asset, and they let you do it!

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Bye bitch. Enjoy living in literal hell if your man Biden is re elected

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2 hours ago, YGIFS said:

He took out that prime+5 literally in the middle of that 6 year gulch of record-low rates (3.25 prime).  I know we like to crack wise about he destroys everything he touches, his kids are morons, and he surrounds himself with yes-men.  But holy shit, somebody in that big office building had to have said, "Uh, Mr. Trump.  This may not be the best term sheet available."  But that guy probably did say that and got fired. 

I don't much bankruptcy law, we've done some Multi-Family deals out of bank workout but it's just us and other senior lenders/unsubs, no governmental entities other than maybe a late NNN property tax payment or two.  But I would think if the government can call the shots and only then can senior debt get theirs and if there's anything left over (there won't be), the equity LP's go last (or maybe mezz if there is any).  So if that's the case, never mind the equity balance on them.  The right squeeze, IMO would be some amalgamation of unrealized gains and property taxes.  Which properties appreciated above their cap levels combined with the most property tax liability.  Some blending of those two numbers gives you a punchlist to go for.  Because in addition to the fire-sale pricing, you also get him on the capital gains taxes and property taxes and associated penalties which just adds fuel to the fire.  Yeah, you'll have some lenders and even LP's get pissy and maybe pursue legal recourse on being shafted, but that's a regular Tuesday in New York real estate court.  Equity levels are one thing, but squeezing him on unrealized gains becoming realized plus a property tax kicker.  That's when shit gets fun and gets him stroked out.  

In this simulation, there's a decent chance...he switches Mar-a-Lago over to a charity venue where dying kids can come play a round of golf and get married and he'll stumble downstairs to make an awkward speech.  If it's really worth what he says it is, $1bn.  He could just sell it and be done with this whole thing.  But he knows it's not.  I doubt they go after that early on simply because it would be seen as politically vindictive and it actually doesn't have much unappreciated gains on it.  You start with what I stated above, that's how you get Capone.  

If I'm seeing it right, he took out multiple loans on the same properties, which is probably the reason for the high rates.

He refi'd Doral about 5011 times, and stacked 2nds on DBs 1st, so... Fuckem all for money laundering... They wouldn't let my gray ass stack on $500k. F'em

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7 hours ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

Hopefully he'll suicide by ODing on his pills. 

 

(I'd rather see him die in prison, but this would be an acceptable alternative.)

 

 

I honestly don't care how or where he dies, so long as he dies... soon.

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10 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

 

Bitch out there sounding like Miss teen South Carolina “I personally believe that witch hunt such as the Saudi Arabia and Russia…and the demise of our country like the politically motivated…”

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While googling, in an attempt to make a joke about a gold toilet, I came across the fact that Walmart is selling this.

 

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Which then lead me to this

 

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And this review

 

 

 

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"All new biglier edition" is fucking fantastic 

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Bitch out there sounding like Miss teen South Carolina “I personally believe that witch hunt such as the Saudi Arabia and Russia…and the demise of our country like the politically motivated…”
Well, she did say she would rather be hot than smart. She's an old man 8, and an intellectual 3- at least she's playing to her strengths. And with the right audience. Republicans are typically a pretty unattractive group. All apologies to our friends along the Brazos River Valley.
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8 hours ago, Surly Bevo said:

Do his people even read this shit or just those of us who want to laugh at him

You can't read it because it's unreadable word salad.

 

8 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

The sentence immediately following “COMPLETE VICTORY” says “most of the claims”

There's a formula for that: 60% of the time x 100% of the time = it works.

 

7 hours ago, GenXer said:

Am I the only one who’s disappointed that he doesn’t spell “statute” as “statue”? That would’ve been low hanging fruit comedy.

Literally the first thing I looked for.

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Bitch out there sounding like Miss teen South Carolina “I personally believe that witch hunt such as the Saudi Arabia and Russia…and the demise of our country like the politically motivated…”

Well, she did say she would rather be hot than smart. She's an old man 8, and an intellectual 3- at least she's playing to her strengths. And with the right audience. Republicans are typically a pretty unattractive group. All apologies to our friends along the Brazos River Valley.

Agree with all of this, but add that she passed the bar exam in NY, which I understand to be one of the toughest in the country.  

So she's either lacking a moral compass or figures "fuck it, without Trump's money I'm just another low dollar transaction lawyer who will replaced by AI and online law advice."

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Bit of a sidenote here, but I was looking at Texas' supersedeas bond requirements, which I haven't looked at in years, but Texas does limit the bond amount to half of the defendant's net worth.  So, at least some places, "ability to pay" does come into it at this stage of proceedings.

Proving one's net worth would be a bitch, though, and highly embarrassing most likely.

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Also, I listened to the oral argument in the Sidney Powell appeal.  The bar did not seem particularly convincing on the issue of a trial court having to dig around the record to find the evidence, meaning all the evidence the bar mislabeled and bungled, so that's bad.

On the other hand, on the Georgia federal complaint and its attachments, which I believe were clearly of record, the bar had the upper hand on that providing sufficient evidence of lack of candor with the Georgia court that I think they may have won the day.

Highly speculative on my part.  Decision should be imminent.

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WaPo with more insight into Cannon's brain-dead (at best) order from earlier in the week. Just like many of us thought, she appears to be totally in the bag for DJT. It appears the very thing many of us have been afraid of since she was assigned the classified documents case is coming to fruition despite the lawdogs telling us the system was going to be just fine. DJT's tried-and-true lifetime strategy of kicking the can down the road (delay, delay, delay) appears to be working like a charm in just about all of these cases. All this is proving to me is that the US justice system is total shit when it comes to dealing with rich (and usually white) male subjects. The game is rigged in their favor and, frankly, it's almost beyond defense at this point.

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Lawyers and former judges said they are baffled by an order issued this week by the federal judge overseeing Donald Trump’s pending trial on charges that he mishandled classified documents — and believe her instructions suggest the case will not go to trial anytime soon.

“In my 30 years as a trial judge, I have never seen an order like this,” said Jeremy Fogel, who served on the federal bench in California and now runs the Berkeley Judicial Institute.

On Monday evening, U.S. District Judge Aileen M. Cannon ordered the defense lawyers and the prosecutors in the case to file submissions outlining proposed jury instructions based on two scenarios, each of which badly misstates the law and facts of the case, according to legal experts.

She has given the sides two weeks to craft jury instructions around competing interpretations of the Presidential Records Act, often referred to as the PRA. While the law says presidential records belong to the public and are to be turned over to the National Archives and Records Administration at the end of a presidency, Trump’s lawyers have argued the PRA gave Trump the right to keep classified materials as his personal property.

“What she has asked the parties to do is very, very troubling,” Nancy Gertner, a former federal judge in Massachusetts, said of Cannon. “She is giving credence to arguments that are on their face absurd. She is ignoring a raft of other motions, equally absurd, that are unreasonably delaying the case.”

Trump’s team has argued that under the PRA, he automatically designated the classified records he is accused of willfully retaining as personal documents when he removed them from the White House and took them to Mar-a-Lago, his Florida home and private club. Prosecutors and legal experts have rejected Trump’s interpretation and said the former president’s reading of the PRA is simply wrong.

Cannon is presiding over a case involving the first former U.S. president ever charged with a crime, and Fogel said it is not inappropriate for a judge in that situation to seek guidance. Still, he said, Cannon’s order is an unusual way to sequence the legal decisions and she may be putting “the cart before the horse.”

Typically, he said, judges make their rulings about the laws at the heart of the case — and then determine jury instructions closer to trial time.

“The more innocent interpretation is that she is just trying to get a sense of what the practical implications are if she decides one way or the other on the legal issues,” Fogel said. “The less charitable view is that she should decide the legal issues first and then decide how she should implement the law in the case.”

Cannon held a hearing weeks ago to discuss when to schedule the trial — one of four criminal cases Trump is facing as he again seeks the White House and has clinched enough delegates for the Republican nomination. Cannon has yet to make a decision on the trial date.

Last week’s hearing focused on two requests that Trump made to dismiss the case, one based on supposed flaws in the Espionage Act and another based on what Trump lawyers claim are the sweeping powers granted to him by the PRA.

Cannon, a Trump nominee who has been on the bench since late 2020, expressed skepticism toward both claims while also suggesting they may play a meaningful role in instructing the jury at the end of the trial. She quickly ruled against Trump’s claims about flaws in the Espionage Act and has yet to rule on the merits of the PRA request.

Her two-page order embraces at least the possibility that Trump’s PRA claims are valid, a stance that veteran national security lawyers questioned.

“The PRA is just not relevant here in any way it all; it provides no defense. To even allow it to be argued at trial would create confusion for the jury,” said Barbara McQuade, a law professor at the University of Michigan and a former U.S. attorney.

Ordinarily, a judge will take up the question of jury instructions much later in the process. McQuade called Cannon’s decision to reach for those questions ahead of a slew of other pretrial motions “premature and baffling.”

Cannon’s order suggests that she thinks the PRA is critical to the case — and that parts of the law are open to interpretation.

Jason R. Baron, former director of litigation at the National Archives and Records Administration, said that’s just not true. He said Cannon seems to continually conflate the PRA with the Espionage Act, which makes unauthorized sharing or handling of national defense information a crime. Baron said the PRA does not influence whether someone can be prosecuted under the Espionage Act.

“There is no ambiguity that the classified documents at issue in this case are presidential records,” Baron said. “He wasn’t indicted because he took newspaper clippings. He was indicted because he took documents that were marked as classified.”

Baron said the judge, who has not previously overseen a major national security trial, seems to be embracing a fantastical view of the law.

“Like the queen in ‘Alice in Wonderland,’ Judge Cannon appears to be asking the jury to believe at least two impossible things before breakfast,” Baron said. “First, that a president has unfettered discretion to decide that documents marked ‘top secret’ are his own personal records, just because he decided to keep them for himself. And second, that a president can avoid criminal prosecution under the Espionage Act because he decided that classified records were really his under the PRA. In both cases, the judge profoundly misinterprets the law.”

When Trump was indicted last year on dozens of counts of mishandling classified documents and obstructing government efforts to retrieve them, Cannon set a trial date of May 20. That date is no longer possible, given still-unresolved issues involving presenting the classified evidence in court.

Prosecutors have asked for the trial to start in early July; Trump’s lawyers have argued it shouldn’t begin until after the November election or, at the earliest, August.

Cannon’s recent instructions seem to entertain the notion that Trump’s legal interpretation of the PRA could be presented to the jury.

The appeals court above Cannon has already determined, on a separate matter that is also part of the Trump documents case, that the former president cannot declare classified documents his personal property.

Trump “does not have a possessory interest in the documents at issue, so he does not suffer a cognizable harm if the United States reviews documents he neither owns nor has a personal interest in,” the appeals court found in September 2022, after Trump asked the court to appoint a special master, or a neutral arbiter, to sort through the materials the FBI had seized from Mar-a-Lago.

Cannon granted Trump’s special master request, prompting an appeal from the Justice Department. An appeals court panel then resoundingly reversed her decision.

Gertner, the former federal judge, said Cannon’s latest order means it is time for special counsel Jack Smith to try to get Cannon off the high-profile case — an exceedingly rare step for any prosecutor to take. “I think that the better route is for Smith to move to recuse her now — listing all of her rulings that make little sense, the delays, rulings so far out of the mainstream that they clearly suggest bias,” Gertner said.

Other lawyers said the legal standard for recusal is so high — not just under court rules, but also in Justice Department practice — that any discussion of attempting to remove Cannon from the case is far-fetched. Typically, recusals occur when a judge has a close personal relationship with someone involved in a case or owns a significant amount of stock in a company involved.

“It’s not enough to say this judge has ruled against my case several times, therefore they must be biased. That’s not going to do it,” said McQuade, the former U.S. attorney. “I’d be surprised if an effort to remove her would be successful, and that’s a bad look for the government.”

Veteran trial lawyers say it is not unusual for a judge to make it hard for one side to try their case — and jurists are often, but not always, harder on defense lawyers than on prosecutors.

But in the Trump documents case, lawyers said, Smith may simply have to weather whatever legal storms Cannon creates, and be patient and confident that the evidence his team has amassed will ultimately convince a jury. That is what happened when a previous special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, went to trial against former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort.

In that trial, U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis III frequently made comments critical of the special counsel team and its handling of the case, questioning its judgment and limiting what evidence it could show the jury. Prosecutors pushed on, and Manafort was eventually convicted.

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... After very careful consideration, I've come to the conclusion that the current US judicial system sucks.

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1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

Bit of a sidenote here, but I was looking at Texas' supersedeas bond requirements, which I haven't looked at in years, but Texas does limit the bond amount to half of the defendant's net worth.  So, at least some places, "ability to pay" does come into it at this stage of proceedings.

Proving one's net worth would be a bitch, though, and highly embarrassing most likely.

For him that'd be like dividing by zero and showing your work on paper.  

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4 minutes ago, C-Man said:

 

... After very careful consideration, I've come to the conclusion that the current US judicial system sucks.

The fatal flaw is that the US judicial branch, like the Executive and Legislative, assumes good faith and general competency.  Whoops. 

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21 minutes ago, C-Man said:

... After very careful consideration, I've come to the conclusion that the current US judicial system sucks.

[Twice]Well what you don't understand is that's just how things are and if you disagree you must want lawless chaos[/Horn]

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36 minutes ago, TexasHooch said:

The fatal flaw is that the US judicial branch, like the Executive and Legislative, assumes good faith and general competency.  Whoops. 

Uhhhhhhhh... no, I don't think that's true for any of those three.

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The reason I think Cannon is galactically stupid is not limited to the fact that she is bungling the law so badly.

If she wants to throw the case for Trump, this is among the most unwieldy, obvious, and obviously appealable and reversible ways to do it.  And if that is her plan, she apparently is too stupid to realize it.  

All this will do is delay the case.  There are subtler, more discretionary, and unappealable ways to do that.

She hasn't fucked this thing up yet, but if she persists on her current course, she's going to get another public spanking from the 11th Circuit.

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48 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

She hasn't fucked this thing up yet, but if she persists on her current course, she's going to get another public spanking from the 11th Circuit.

Less spanking, more taking away her toy and giving it to someone with a brain. 

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54 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

That's the only goal, man. 

 

54 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

that's all it takes.  why does she care if its overturned later.

 

7 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Seems a little obvious . . . delay the case, and if Trump wins the Oval Office he has the DOJ throw it out.

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I'm gonna go throw up now ...

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I'm gonna go throw up now ...

That's a really, REALLY big "if" there.

If he doesn't win the presidency, guess what the outcome of all these delays is?

And by delaying these, he's ensuring that the bad news stays in the news up through November.

I'm actually rooting for the delays, here. You have to think about the long game, here, folks.

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31 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

The first one was so effective...

 

Judges screw stuff up all the time. Which is why trial courts get reviewed and overturned by appellate courts. Which is why appellate courts are reviewed and get overturned by supreme courts.  Some judges are just bad judges, and get overturned a lot. There is practically nothing you can do if they are elected, except point out the stupidity at the end of their term and hope they don’t get reelected. Judge Cannon, on the other hand, was appointed for life - and it takes conviction by the senate after a house impeachment to get her off the bench.

So while I share your frustration, I will await your solution to the problem.  Texas has more than your fair share of idiots, clowns, dishonest grifters and incompetent ideologues  as any state in America, yet you do nothing about it.   Or maybe you can’t do anything about it.   But going off on the legal community for not solving the problem of Judge Cannon is like going off on Texas for not solving your fill-in-the-blank politician problem.

Sometimes things are just hard and unpleasant and depressing and the problem can’t be pegged on a small subset of folks. 

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