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HillCountryBevo
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Imagine your basis of hating Trump is because of mean tweets, January 6 and “hush money” trial all because liberal media is crooked. Fuck right off. This is my last post in this forum  dumb fucki

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When you're a court, you just grab their asset, and they let you do it!

HillCountryBevo
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Bye bitch. Enjoy living in literal hell if your man Biden is re elected

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C-Man

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I think it’s the source of the funds that is at issue. 

Yep, this moron is so allergic to spending his own money, he broke the law over a $130K payment to a fucking porn star. He is UNBLIEVABLY stupid and completely unfit to be POTUS (shocking he ever got there in the first place).
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23 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

She pretty clearly misread the order.

 

21 minutes ago, gernblansten said:

What is number (4) that was granted in the Motion to Stay?

yeah she misread it and has corrected herself.

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Regarding Trump not being held accountable for anything....

Here's one possibility:

-- As we are repeatedly told by the Surly Lawyers and others, "the legal system is methodically and slowly working as intended with standard procedures" regarding Trump, even though it is years after stoking/aiding a violent insurrection, years after a phone call trying to overturn the election in Georgia, and all the other numerous felonies and civil judgments.

-- So we just gotta have patience!

Here's an equally plausible possibility:

-- There are MAGA-friendly fascists throughout the courts and legal system, who work the "methodical system" and "procedures" to the advantage of Trump, for the simple reason they want Trump to be President and impose MAGA laws.

-- Same in Corporate America and mainstream media.

-- This also explains NBC hiring Ronna McDaniel, the #bothsides attitudes of mainstream media, billionaires helping with TruthSocial and IPO to give him a likely windfall (of some amount), and so on. 

Likely bottom line:

-- There are MAGA-fascists in various levels of high-ranking power across America's institutions and corporations. These fascists want Trump to be elected and are doing their part, in their own way, within the rules and systems in place. This is the reality we face... at least as I see it.

F*ck the patience! 

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wut? have you heard anything he has ever said? if he wasn't our stupidest president ever, he's gotta be top 5. supremely stupid. 

Fair point. He says monumentally stupid shit constantly.

My point is he’s smart enough to nearly take over the country. That’s not completely stupid. Don’t underestimate the orange cunt by dismissing him as stupid.
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22 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

I don’t think he’s stupid. I think he’s power drunk. He’s simply doing what gets him what he wants. And it’s working.

How's it working? He loses almost every single time. He has $500M in judgments against him, almost 100 felonies pending, and he has lost every single election since 2016. The guy is a loser. He has always been a loser. He doesn't know how to win. 

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6 minutes ago, BevoAbyss said:

Regarding Trump not being held accountable for anything....

Here's one possibility:

-- As we are repeatedly told by the Surly Lawyers, "the legal system is methodically and slowly working as intended with standard procedures" regarding Trump, years after a stoking/aiding a violent insurrection, years after a phone call trying to overturn the election in Georgia, and all the other numerous felonies and civil judgments.

Here's an equally plausible possibility:

-- There are MAGA-friendly fascists throughout the courts and legal system, who work the "methodical system" to the advantage of Trump, for the simple reason they want Trump to be President and impose MAGA laws.

Couple things.  In America, you look at each civil and criminal litigation matter completely independently of the others.  Just like if you are a convicted armed robber in an offense committed 11 years ago, nobody on your 18 wheeler car wreck civil suit will ever know about that. They are separate. so viewing them all as together, as one entity, is simply missing the civics lesson on how our judicial system works

Also, apparently the fascists were all at the fascist convention during the 60 election trials and appeals that all went against Trump. 

The fascists were apparently at lunch when New York shut down their charity and banned them from operating nonprofits in NY.  They were out shopping for Trump hats during the E. Jean Smith defamation trial, and had such a long martini lunch after they did not prevent the second defamation award from occurring.

The lazy fascists we’re watching Saudi Arabian golf instead of preventing Trump and company from being hit with over $400 million in his business fraud case, and missed them being banned from doing business in New York for a period of time…with a monitor overseeing their shit.    The lazy fascists also were too preoccupied to prevent the 91 criminal indictments in several courts in different parts of the country.

Someone needs to put those fascists in a room and give them a stern talking to. 

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1 hour ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

No, it won't.  I guaran-fucking-tee you something will happen to postpone it...forever. 

I'll take you up on that.

Will be the easiest money I'd ever won.

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26 minutes ago, BevoAbyss said:

Regarding Trump not being held accountable for anything....

Here's one possibility:

-- As we are repeatedly told by the Surly Lawyers and others, "the legal system is methodically and slowly working as intended with standard procedures" regarding Trump, even though it is years after stoking/aiding a violent insurrection, years after a phone call trying to overturn the election in Georgia, and all the other numerous felonies and civil judgments.

-- So we just gotta have patience!

Here's an equally plausible possibility:

-- There are MAGA-friendly fascists throughout the courts and legal system, who work the "methodical system" and "procedures" to the advantage of Trump, for the simple reason they want Trump to be President and impose MAGA laws.

-- Same in Corporate America and mainstream media.

-- This also explains NBC hiring Ronna McDaniel, the #bothsides attitudes of mainstream media, billionaires helping with TruthSocial and IPO to give him a likely windfall (of some amount), and so on. 

Likely bottom line:

-- There are MAGA-fascists in various levels of high-ranking power across America's institutions and corporations. These fascists want Trump to be elected and are doing their part, in their own way, within the rules and systems in place. This is the reality we face... at least as I see it.

F*ck the patience! 

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59 minutes ago, immamac said:

All of these things are related, just because some of you want to believe in an alternate reality based on your fears and irrational thoughts doesn't mean it's what's actually happening.

What's actually happening: Trump lost case, gonna be banned and enforcement needs to be intentional and designed to be reversible in case the appeal actually materially changes something from the judgement. This isn't some willy nilly judgement it's a huge one that needs to be executed carefully. The case and the stay do not change the fact that there is already an embedded and assigned person with Trump Co and that Trump and the rest of the people who aren't allowed to do business in NY are not going to be able to do business in NY when the order is done. They have to clean up shit right now to even get ready for the appeal. Had they not filed the appeal this would already have been done, this is a real appeal no matter how small of a chance there is of it getting reversed or thrown out. 

I understand the whole idea of "NUH UH HES STILL TECHINCIALLY ABLE TO DO WHATEVER HE WANTS AND ISNT GONNA HAVE THIS ENFORCED HURRR DURRR", but in a practical sense no one will do business with the people during the stay that isn't absolutely necessary to help the enforcement of the judgement. 

You got to remember that this board is filled with people who still think Hillary was a bad presidential candidate because of conspiratorial smear campaigns, not because... oh, say, CHA was her dump stat, she ran a lazy campaign, she was only a national figure because she refused to kick her cheating husband to the curb and by riding his coattails was associated with some of the most damaging policies to the Democratic Party's voter base, etc etc etc.

And as horrible and awful of a candidate as she was, Trump still barely won.

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How's it working? He loses almost every single time. He has $500M in judgments against him, almost 100 felonies pending, and he has lost every single election since 2016. The guy is a loser. He has always been a loser. He doesn't know how to win. 

Isn’t he leading in the polls to become president again?
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I honestly don’t know how you can design an accurate poll these days. No one under 60 has a landline, and almost no one replies to an unknown number on their cell. The only conclusion i would draw from a poll these days is “people with a landline and or answer calls from unknown callers are slightly more likely to vote for Trump”

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4 minutes ago, tbone_ said:


Idk maybe I have a dim view of our electorate these days but I certainly hope you optimists are right.

Oh I'm not an optimist but I'm also not going to give that loser any more credit than he deserves.

 

I will do whatever I can to help Joe win. He has been an amazing president and is on track to be one of the all time greats!

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good grief what a word salad.

anyway the appeals court's ruling likely indicates that they are going to reduce the amount of the judgment. I believe @TwiceHorn has mentioned this. 

and as I said earlier he struggled to get the $93 million bond for Carroll so I'm skeptical that he'll be able to get this one even with the additional time. He just doesn't have that much money.

also, I think if a foreign agent was willing to float the cash then he'd have posted the bond already.

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I don't know DJT's actual financial position, but I find the order to be a bit difficult - you need to make a $175M undertaking (which by most standards means posting a bond), but you can't go to a NY institution to get it.  So while they should not change the order, I think providing more time seems reasonable because of a lack of liquid assets (or an unreasonable/uncomfortable reduction of liquid assets) on the defendant's part and no access to NY lending institutions per the order. Without some leniency here it looks like a forced failure to comply that has nothing to do with politics but a shitty order by the court.  Courts want compliance, they don't want non-compliance. if the order makes compliance hard on the face of the order, the court is going to be sympathetic to a solution, especially if it's only time.

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7 minutes ago, troph said:

I don't know DJT's actual financial position, but I find the order to be a bit difficult - you need to make a $175M undertaking (which by most standards means posting a bond), but you can't go to a NY institution to get it.  So while they should not change the order, I think providing more time seems reasonable because of a lack of liquid assets (or an unreasonable/uncomfortable reduction of liquid assets) on the defendant's part and no access to NY lending institutions per the order. Without some leniency here it looks like a forced failure to comply that has nothing to do with politics but a shitty order by the court.  Courts want compliance, they don't want non-compliance. if the order makes compliance hard on the face of the order, the court is going to be sympathetic to a solution, especially if it's only time.

I'm betting he has that amount on hand and won't need a bond. 

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This really is outrageous. I'm pretty confident that nobody in history has caught so many breaks so undeservingly. 

I don't think I've heard or seen a court reduce a supersedeas bond by such a large percentage, and to do so without providing an opinion justifying the order is bullshit. When you throw in the fact that the worthless prick was bragging to the whole world that he had enough money to pay it, it's a total traveshamockery. 

I think I'm just going to stop paying attention to all the attempts to hold this shitbag accountable. It's really bad for my mental health. It's probably time to accept that the Simulation is trolling me with this orange clown. 

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6 minutes ago, Hookah Horns said:

I'm betting he has that amount on hand and won't need a bond. 

Of course, but he won’t even need the money. When the deadline comes he will offer the court the “Naked Burger*” available at the Champions Grill sports bar at Trump Doral in lieu of cash, and of course they will accept, because they would be morons not too.

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* but serious it really is good.

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50 minutes ago, troph said:

I don't know DJT's actual financial position, but I find the order to be a bit difficult - you need to make a $175M undertaking (which by most standards means posting a bond), but you can't go to a NY institution to get it.  So while they should not change the order, I think providing more time seems reasonable because of a lack of liquid assets (or an unreasonable/uncomfortable reduction of liquid assets) on the defendant's part and no access to NY lending institutions per the order. Without some leniency here it looks like a forced failure to comply that has nothing to do with politics but a shitty order by the court.  Courts want compliance, they don't want non-compliance. if the order makes compliance hard on the face of the order, the court is going to be sympathetic to a solution, especially if it's only time.

Rubin was wrong - he can get a loan from a NY-based lender. 

The challenge is the size of the bond itself and his lack of collateral to back it. Even this reduced bond will be difficult for him to post.

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There is some notion, evidenced by Texas rules, of limiting a supersedeas bond to some fraction of the defendants worth. 

We love to look at this as preliminary punishment for Trump, but that's not what it is. 

It is primarily there to protect the plaintiff pending appeal. And, truth be told, half protection is actually better than leaving collection to execution. Execution may be fun to watch, but for getting even fiddy cent on the dollar of judgment, it's not much fun for the plaintiff. 

And if the judgment gets reduced, it may be dollar for dollar. 

Also I don't think this necessarily foreshadows a reduction of the judgment. The court of appeals probably knows less about the judgment of the trial court than we do at this point. 

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19 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

is there some chance part of this is to try to catch him in (another) lie? like one he can't walk back? I dunno. Still feels like he is yet again getting off easy.

yes because the court monitor was left in place at Trumpco - he's already trying to move his HQ to Florida in order to run from this. 

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7 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Trump - “I hope I get convicted because it will make me more popular than ever”

 

yes, he really just said that

So why is he fighting?  Is it possible he is lying?

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16 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

There is some notion, evidenced by Texas rules, of limiting a supersedeas bond to some fraction of the defendants worth. 

We love to look at this as preliminary punishment for Trump, but that's not what it is. 

It is primarily there to protect the plaintiff pending appeal. And, truth be told, half protection is actually better than leaving collection to execution. Execution may be fun to watch, but for getting even fiddy cent on the dollar of judgment, it's not much fun for the plaintiff. 

And if the judgment gets reduced, it may be dollar for dollar. 

Also I don't think this necessarily foreshadows a reduction of the judgment. The court of appeals probably knows less about the judgment of the trial court than we do at this point. 

The plaintiff here is also the state, not an individual, and I think much of the judgment is fines and pentalties, not for restitution, so securing the plaintiff in their ability to collect works differently. The size of the judgment is also uniquely high, that also probably plays a role. I'm not too concerned with any shenanigans on this one. 

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19 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Not unless he was on the sidelines of various central and eastern texas soccer pitches. 

Are we Yanks calling soccer fields pitches now?

No doubt your kids were wearing nice kits whilst at their football matches.

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5 minutes ago, 'stache said:

The plaintiff here is also the state, not an individual, and I think much of the judgment is fines and pentalties, not for restitution, so securing the plaintiff in their ability to collect works differently. The size of the judgment is also uniquely high, that also probably plays a role. I'm not too concerned with any shenanigans on this one. 

Yep fair points. The judgment is a bit punitive in nature if not explicitly so and the state is at least partially protected. 

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1 hour ago, Hookah Horns said:

This really is outrageous. I'm pretty confident that nobody in history has caught so many breaks so undeservingly. 

I don't think I've heard or seen a court reduce a supersedeas bond by such a large percentage, and to do so without providing an opinion justifying the order is bullshit. When you throw in the fact that the worthless prick was bragging to the whole world that he had enough money to pay it, it's a total traveshamockery. 

I think I'm just going to stop paying attention to all the attempts to hold this shitbag accountable. It's really bad for my mental health. It's probably time to accept that the Simulation is trolling me with this orange clown. 

Sigh. Guess you can join me over on the "I'm just rooting for his death at this point" ledge because it appears Father Time is the only thing that's going to stop this worthless cocksucker.

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