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[The Original Greaser Bob 2834]

It's an uphill battle for the prosecution.

"Never fight up hill, me boys." -  George Armstrong PIckett, KIA Gettysburg.

[RDCanecutter 26446]

Geezer Radio is deeply concerned about protestors blocking bridges. Only mention of Trump's trial is that one end of the Brooklyn Bridge is not too far from the courthouse.

[dcbc 14486]

34 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

Melania watching Donald at trial.

My guess is she has better things to do.

[Sawbonz 27565]

2 hours ago, Captainant said:

I betcha a $20 donation to Burnt Ends that at least once in this trial, trump will no-show and get an after-the-fact exception or something else that that prevents him from getting frog marched into court

[DDD Dad 14339]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

.....the panties that your mother laid out for you?

You mean @South Austin's mom?

[DDD Dad 14339]

42 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

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  Wait, London Fog makes thong panties, in addition to raincoats now?  There's a moisture-proof joke in here for Melania watching Donald at trial.

   

London Fog raincoats.  Now with a reservoir tip.

[YGIFS 19450]

28 minutes ago, Keef said:

You wanna let Timothy McVeigh or El Chapo walk out of prison because we haven't had the trial yet?  There are good arguments against the current bail system, but this isn't one of them.

Yeah, it's like an NIL situation.  We're debating how many millions these top athletes get at premiere programs, which is not nothing...but 80% of NCAA (I, II, & III) players don't get anything but maybe some comped meals at a public appearance.  

80% of bails are set for low level drug and non-violent offenders, and they're often set intentionally as cost prohibitive to keep jails full.  But yeah, the system also does keep legit bad guys who can do some real harm inside.  We've all watched courtroom dramas, "Your honor, we recommend bail be set at XYZ because the defendant is a flight risk or can still go back out and harm others or run his drug network or whatever..."  In Trump's case, he's literally the poster child for a flight risk.  Plane, security detail that would enable him safe passage, some 'excuse' that he had to use his past president gravitas on a humanitarian mission abroad ("Your honor, I had to go help the families of victims in Israel!  This is New York, think of the Jews!"), and can then still stir up theories among the stupids that he's now running a shadow government in exile from Qatar or Jordan or Venezuela.  Never mind his patently obvious solvency issues in the event of default.

[Gatorubet 30241]

1 hour ago, HenryJames said:

He’s anti-woke you stupid lib.

[Gatorubet 30241]

41 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Right but why does anyone have to pay to be free before they are proven (well, found is more accurate) guilty if they are considered innocent until then?

Obama. 

[Underdog 28662]

3 hours ago, 4th&Five said:

 

 

[bolverk 29683]

57 minutes ago, pacman said:

 

I'd been curious what a potential maximum punishment might look like in NY. At worst, though, he'll likely get probation and some community service. With our luck, his hours served as president would likely count toward meeting. 

From here: https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/criminal-defense/felony-offense/new-york-felony-class.htm

[Pato del Muerto 52503]

1 minute ago, bolverk said:

 

I'd been curious what a potential maximum punishment might look like in NY. At worst, though, he'll likely get probation and some community service. With our luck, his hours served as president would likely count toward meeting. 

From here: https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/criminal-defense/felony-offense/new-york-felony-class.htm

If that’s the case he should plead guilty and be done with the whole thing. This won’t change any votes.  And yeah I did it what are you gonna do about it is more alpha than bitching about a witch hunt. 

[Bullneck 19100]

[jw4381 3076]

1 hour ago, HenryJames said:

He’s anti-woke you stupid lib.

[The Dog 44058]

5 minutes ago, bolverk said:

 

I'd been curious what a potential maximum punishment might look like in NY. At worst, though, he'll likely get probation and some community service. With our luck, his hours served as president would likely count toward meeting. 

From here: https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/criminal-defense/felony-offense/new-york-felony-class.htm

I can't remember exactly what was said but some lawyer on Twitter believes that even if convicted that Trump is likely only facing a fine and probation and that jail time is extremely unlikely due to him being considered a first offender. 

2 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

If that’s the case he should plead guilty and be done with the whole thing. This won’t change any votes.  And yeah I did it what are you gonna do about it is more alpha than bitching about a witch hunt. 

That would be smart as he could sell it as a "win" (and right wing media would run with that) and how he was able to "beat the deep state". 

Fox/Newsmax/OAN would ignore the entire "guilty" part and sell it as how the great dealmaker made a great deal. GOP would also run with this narrative.

[TwiceHorn 31486]

8 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

If that’s the case he should plead guilty and be done with the whole thing. This won’t change any votes.  And yeah I did it what are you gonna do about it is more alpha than bitching about a witch hunt. 

There is also a notion that he might plead at the 11th hour or ask the jury to convict only on the misdemeanor level false documents charges without the connection to the other crime, that makes it a felony.

[GenXer 2881]

9 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

There is also a notion that he might plead at the 11th hour or ask the jury to convict only on the misdemeanor level false documents charges without the connection to the other crime, that makes it a felony.

Perhaps the defense wants to wait to see if the jury pool results in at least one likely maga that will result in a hung jury.

There’s probably chatter on truth social that will self identify potential jurors to the defense team. It’s probably something subtle like looking at trump while masturbating furiously.

[wildcat09 29354]

Trump is not going to plead guilty. Jesus, c'mon people. 

[Underdog 28662]

The only thing trump will plea to are his Trumpanzees for more money. 

[YGIFS 19450]

Good news is there is lots of precedent, though obviously not to this high level, of elected officials being tried for crimes and there were members of the jury---given the district/jurisdiction who voted for that person, and blind justice still prevailed.  However, most of them were lesser known House members, State Senators, Mayors, and the like.  This one is delicate because this one is also a cult, so they may have to prove hubris before their Orange God.  On the other hand, they follow the letter of the law and they will be hunted as traitors to the MAGA movement until the day they die.  But hey, some fun social media posts made in the meantime by them against the judges orders.  Which of course can get them stricken automatically without counting against the prosecutions automatic strike number.  Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.   

(JackRyanHowDoYouMakeACrewWannaGetOffTheSubmarine), "How do you entice a MAGA loyalist to want to post about their jury selection experience online, thus making them ineligible during Voir Dire.  I mean, these people never post anything inept on social media.  I mean a Bot that targets them and entices them to report back to MAGA nation about their experience couldn't possibly be designed by now.  Nah...

[tbone_ 14126]

By all accounts, the "captain" was a devoted husband and father, solid citizen, and recipient of many awards, honors, honorary doctorates and inductions to various halls of fame (not the least of which was the clown hall of fame).  So basically nothing like dotard. But damn, that is one candy from a van looking son of a gun.

Wasn’t his kid the dude from the Butthole Surfers?

[Willfully Horn 8017]

10 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

Wasn’t his kid the dude from the Butthole Surfers?

Mr Peppermint, and Gabby Haynes.

[YGIFS 19450]

1 hour ago, dcbc said:

My guess is she has better things men to do.

FIFY.

1 hour ago, bolverk said:

 

MAGAcultmember/ "See, it says it right there it was a Classy Felony.  Trump is all about being Classy.  Perfect Felony.  The finest Felony.  The man and his family just ooze Classy."  

[GenXer 2881]

 

 

[The Dog 44058]

 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33872]

22 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

Mr Peppermint, and Gabby Haynes.

lol, Gibby

[YGIFS 19450]

"jaw kept falling on his chest and his mouth kept going slack"

Couple things here:  "Mouth Kept Going Slack", what the fucker gets for making fun of stutters/stammerers  

"Jaw kept falling on his chest."  Imagine the sound of that droopy vaginal jowl thing he calls a chin/neck slapping on his bloated chest.  

ENJOY YOUR DINNER, FUCKERS!  

[Willfully Horn 8017]

16 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

lol, Gibby

Yep. Sorry. Worms in my brain.

[jimmyjazz 45960]

1 minute ago, Willfully Horn said:

Yep. Sorry. Worms in my brain.

ISWYDT

[atomheartbevo 89675]

5 hours ago, 4th&Five said:

 

This is why I’m not that worried about the MAGA masses.  The January 6 convictions/felonies/jail time/lost jobs/etc. is probably acting as both a deterrent to would-be future traitors, but also wrapped up some of the worst that would be likely to do something.

The rest are going to sit at home on Facebook or TexAgs and just whine.

MAGA just has a shitload of pussies that won’t show up to support him no matter how much he whines on truth.social about the Deep State fucking him.  Hell, these people are liable to stay home because they believe him when he says the election is rigged.  What’s the point of voting in a rigged election?

[ChiTownDoc 21154]

3 hours ago, Bullneck said:

‘Angling like a big dog’ aggy gonna aggy

Also using that ag degree for some hourly gig being a chode.  

‘My employer pays for me to be on a jury pool!’

Nice humble brag, pal.  

[atomheartbevo 89675]

3 hours ago, Bullneck said:

Good to see that TexAgs is full of Christians that care about adultery, lying, etc.

[atomheartbevo 89675]

5 hours ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

[tx 3 putt 76975]

2 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Good to see that TexAgs is full of Christians that care about adultery, lying, etc.

the politics board is an open white supremacy meeting. Some here would be very at home there 

[C-Man 27230]

Decent rundown of who might testify to what from Politico: https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/14/trump-hush-money-trial-witnesses-00151816

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NEW YORK — Donald Trump’s first criminal trial, scheduled to begin Monday, is set to feature a familiar cast of characters on the witness stand.

That’s because the felony charges against the former president center on a well-trodden sequence of salacious events: Trump’s affair with porn star Stormy Daniels; hush money payments to prevent Daniels from going public on the eve of the 2016 election; and the alleged scheme to falsify records tied to those payments.

But even though the allegations are widely known, some of the people most intimately involved in them have never spoken about them publicly. And beyond the episode involving Daniels, prosecutors may introduce evidence of two lesser-known efforts by Trump or people operating on his behalf to suppress negative stories about him during the 2016 campaign.

Though neither prosecutors with the office of Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg nor Trump’s defense lawyers have publicly released their witness lists, some of the expected witnesses have been disclosed in court filings.

Here’s what we know about the people who might testify in the first criminal prosecution of a former president:

DAVID PECKER

Pecker is the former CEO of American Media, Inc., which published the National Enquirer during the period when it executed so-called “catch and kill” schemes to bury negative stories about Trump.

One of the prosecution’s central goals will be to persuade jurors that Trump orchestrated the cover-up — and falsified his company’s records — as part of a scheme to influence the 2016 election, rather than merely to avoid personal embarrassment. Connecting the conduct to the election will help prosecutors maintain the charges against Trump as felonies, rather than misdemeanors. And Pecker may be a key witness on that point.

He is expected to testify about his efforts to aid Trump by brokering these deals, including any conversations he had with Trump or Cohen, as well as any communication he had with those being silenced — namely Daniels, or her representatives.

According to state prosecutors, Pecker, at the time a close friend and ally of Trump, met with Trump and his then-lawyer Michael Cohen in August 2015 at Trump Tower. Pecker, the prosecution says, agreed to help Trump’s presidential campaign by acting “as the ‘eyes and ears’ for the campaign by looking out for negative stories” about Trump and flagging them for Cohen before they were published. Pecker “also agreed to publish negative stories about [Trump’s] competitors for the election.”

That fall, according to prosecutors, Pecker directed AMI to pay $30,000 to a former Trump Tower doorman, Dino Sajudin, who was attempting to shop a story about a “love child” Trump had fathered. Pecker did so “because of his agreement” with Trump and Cohen, prosecutors have said. After AMI concluded the story wasn’t true, Cohen instructed Pecker to keep the agreement with the doorman in place until after the presidential election, according to prosecutors.

In June 2016, according to prosecutors, Pecker, after consultation with Trump and Cohen, again came to Trump’s rescue. He directed AMI to pay $150,000 to a former Playboy Playmate, Karen McDougal, to keep her quiet about claims she had a sexual encounter with Trump. Pecker expected, based on his conversations with Cohen, that AMI would be reimbursed for the payment by either Trump or the Trump Organization, but that never happened.

In October 2016, Pecker aided Trump yet again, this time telling the National Enquirer editor-in-chief to alert Cohen to the fact that Daniels was claiming to have had a sexual encounter with Trump. Trump’s campaign had just been roiled by the release of the infamous Access Hollywood tape, in which Trump boasted about sexual assault, and a potential sex scandal involving Daniels’ account would have further damaged the campaign. Cohen then struck the $130,000 deal with Daniels.

Pecker may also be questioned about a non-prosecution agreement that AMI signed with Manhattan federal prosecutors in August 2018 in conjunction with their prosecution of Cohen. In that agreement, the company admitted that it paid $150,000 to McDougal to ensure that she “did not publicize damaging allegations” about Trump “before the 2016 presidential election and thereby influence that election.”

Pecker’s testimony will likely prove important because he can corroborate much of what Cohen is expected to testify about, and Pecker will come to the witness stand with far fewer credibility issues than Cohen.

MICHAEL COHEN

Cohen stands at the center of the Daniels deal since he both paid Daniels and got reimbursed by Trump for the payment. That reimbursement resulted, according to prosecutors, in the very acts for which Trump is on trial: 34 counts of allegedly falsifying various business records to mask the true purpose of his payments to Cohen.

 Here are the core topics Cohen is expected to testify about: his conversations with Pecker to forge the ongoing “catch and kill” agreement to benefit Trump; his involvement with each payment to suppress a negative story and what Trump directed him to do about it; and, perhaps most critically, his conversations with Trump about the Daniels payment and its timing around the election.

Cohen could also be questioned about his knowledge of Trump’s reaction to the Access Hollywood tape’s release. Prosecutors have said they will seek to persuade the jury that Trump was motivated to keep Daniels quiet in the wake of the release of that tape, so as not to further jeopardize his campaign just before Election Day.

STORMY DANIELS

The porn star could be asked to testify about her alleged sexual encounter with Trump, her effort to go public with her story in 2016 and the contract she signed to agree to keep quiet about her allegations.

What may be of most interest to prosecutors, however, is her account of what happened when Cohen, at Trump’s direction, attempted to delay paying her until after the election “because at that point it would not matter if the story became public,” as state prosecutors put it in a court filing accompanying the indictment. That aspect of the timeline is likely critical to prosecutors because it speaks to their argument that Trump orchestrated the payment to Daniels to influence the election.

HOPE HICKS

Hicks was Trump’s campaign press secretary at the time of the Daniels deal, so prosecutors could question her about her knowledge of Trump’s efforts at the time to prevent the Daniels allegation from becoming public — and what, if anything, Trump privately communicated to her about its threat to his campaign.

Prosecutors may also ask Hicks about Trump’s reaction to the Access Hollywood tape. And they could question her about what she knew about the general “catch and kill” arrangement with Pecker.

In an affidavit filed in federal court, an FBI agent who investigated Cohen said Hicks had been involved in conversations about silencing Daniels, whose birth name is Stephanie Clifford.

“I have learned,” the agent wrote, “that in the days following the Access Hollywood video, Cohen exchanged a series of calls, text messages and emails with Keith Davidson, who was then Clifford’s attorney, David Pecker and Dylan Howard of American Media Inc. (“AMI”), the publisher of the National Enquirer, Trump, and Hope Hicks, who was then press secretary for Trump’s presidential campaign.”

“Based on the timing of these calls, and the content of the text messages and emails,” the agent continued, “I believe that at least some of these communications concerned the need to prevent Clifford from going public, particularly in the wake of the Access Hollywood story.”

KAREN MCDOUGAL AND DINO SAJUDIN

Justice Juan Merchan has ruled that McDougal and Sajudin can be questioned about the payments they received from AMI to keep their stories quiet.

“The steps taken to secure the stories of McDougal and Sajudin complete the narrative of the agreement that was reached at the meeting” at the 2015 Trump Tower between Pecker, Cohen and Trump, Merchan wrote.

BRADLEY SMITH

Smith, a former chairman of the Federal Election Commission and a law professor at Capital University Law School in Columbus, Ohio, is set to testify as an expert witness for the defense. He may help Trump’s lawyers rebut the prosecution’s theory that Trump’s reimbursements to Cohen violated campaign finance laws. If prosecutors can’t persuade the jury of that theory, they will have a harder time proving that the falsification-of-business-records charges count as felonies instead of misdemeanors.

Merchan has ruled that Smith can offer testimony on a limited selection of subjects, including general background on what the FEC is, background on who makes up the FEC, what its function is, what laws it’s responsible for enforcing and general terms and definitions “that relate directly to this case, such as for example ‘campaign contribution.’”

DONALD TRUMP

Trump is the wild card here. The former president told reporters on Friday that he “absolutely” would take the stand. But it’s far from clear if he will stick to that plan.

His lawyers may be reluctant to call him as a witness, given his well-known credibility issues and his tendency to bloviate on the stand. But he may not be able to resist speaking in his own defense. That was true in both the recent civil fraud trial against him and in this year’s federal defamation trial in a lawsuit brought by the writer E. Jean Carroll. Trump testified in both of those cases — and he lost both cases badly, with a pair of civil judgments totaling over a half-billion dollars. This time around, losing could mean something even graver: the prospect of prison.

 

[TexArcher 37794]

8 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Good to see that TexAgs is full of Christians that care about adultery, lying, etc.

An aggy does not lie, cheat, or steal, or tolerate those who do.  Unless it's football recruiting.  Or lying about football national championships.  Or cheating on wives.  Or lying about cheating on wives.  Or lying about how the Corps of Cadets got those red asses.  Or, you know what, there are some exceptions, okay?  An aggy uses his best judgment, and if he finds hisself on a morally slippery slope, he can just lie his way out of it.  The important thing to remember is that aggy liberated France, okay?  Get off our red asses.

[royiv 9322]

15 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Good to see that TexAgs is full of Christians that care about adultery, lying, etc.

The don’t care what Trump does in the bedroom, but it’s very much their business what goes on in the bedrooms of members of the LGBTQ+ community.

[royiv 9322]

17 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Decent rundown of who might testify to what from Politico: https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/14/trump-hush-money-trial-witnesses-00151816

 

Two things from that article:

1. The CEO of the National Enquirer is Mr. Pecker. Can’t make that up.

2. Said CEO of the National Enquirer is called out in the article for having far fewer credibility issues than Michael Cohen. Imagine having so little credibility that the CEO of a supermarket tabloid is a more credible witness than you are.

[Blotto 23523]

This is all performance theatre. Aint a damn thing gonna happen to that orange bag of shit between now and the election, except maybe a couple of fines which he appeal/refuse to pay. Its ridiculous that this fucking clown is still walking around after 3+ years after trying to obstruct the transfer of power and leading an insurrection. I honestly dont give a fuck about this trial, and would far prefer he take the stand and get grilled about his election fuckery, but I guess  4 years wont be enough time to get that ball rolling. 

[WhatTheBuck 28783]

20 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

This is why I’m not that worried about the MAGA masses.  The January 6 convictions/felonies/jail time/lost jobs/etc. is probably acting as both a deterrent to would-be future traitors, but also wrapped up some of the worst that would be likely to do something.

The rest are going to sit at home on Facebook or TexAgs and just whine.

MAGA just has a shitload of pussies that won’t show up to support him no matter how much he whines on truth.social about the Deep State fucking him.  Hell, these people are liable to stay home because they believe him when he says the election is rigged.  What’s the point of voting in a rigged election?

Yeah but just because they don’t show up at the courthouse doesn’t mean they won’t show up at the polls. We can’t get complacent and overconfident. I think that’s part of why Trump won in ‘16. I can’t prove it but I believe he would’ve lost if they held a re-vote the day after the election. I think a lot of voters stayed home because they assumed he had no chance. I think a lot of them woke up the next morning thinking Hillary didn’t look so bad after all.

I’m not suggesting you disagree but I think we must never lower our guard and should always take seriously the threat that Trump might actually win. No one can afford to sit on their hands. Anything but a vote for Joe Biden is a vote for Donald Trump and against American constitutional democracy. We can’t assume the fascist sympathizers will sit at home on Nov. 5. We have to assume they’ll turn out and we have to show up ourselves because there are more of us than there are of them.

Stay vigilant.

[RDCanecutter 26446]

53 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Good to see that TexAgs is full of Christians that care about adultery, lying, etc.

The state of Texas is a beautiful woman that you fall in love with, then you wake up next to her, and she rolls over and the back of her head has this hideous attached fetal twin, and it's alive and spitting blood, pus, piss, the runny shits, and jism all at the same time while clacking its stunted limbs like a crab, and on one grotesquely misshapen finger you see a ring. An Aggy ring.

"Don't mind him, hon," she purrs, "that's just Aggy."

[Red Five 40859]

I wonder if it would be a big deal if Biden fell asleep during the first day of the first of four criminal trials. Probably not.

[tbone_ 14126]

Ok I have a legal question I’ve never understood. Explain it to me like I’m 15:

Forget that this Trump for a minute. Why does a DA care if some guy pays some ho to shut the fuck up? I keep reading about “falsifying business records”. I get that he called the payment a legal fee but to who? Who were these business records certified to that falsifying them makes it a felony? I mean I can call my ho payments whatever I want in my Quicken app and the DA wouldn’t care.

Don’t get me wrong, I detest this cunt as much as anyone. But this one has alway felt like a reach from a criminal legal perspective to me. What am I missing?

[jimmyjazz 45960]

Part of it seems to be the idea that it's an illegal campaign contribution, as he didn't want her running her mouth right before the election.

[TeeDubya 3362]

 

[WhatTheBuck 28783]

6 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

Ok I have a legal question I’ve never understood. Explain it to me like I’m 15:

Forget that this Trump for a minute. Why does a DA care if some guy pays some ho to shut the fuck up? I keep reading about “falsifying business records”. I get that he called the payment a legal fee but to who? Who were these business records certified to that falsifying them makes it a felony? I mean I can call my ho payments whatever I want in my Quicken app and the DA wouldn’t care.

Don’t get me wrong, I detest this cunt as much as anyone. But this one has alway felt like a reach from a criminal legal perspective to me. What am I missing?

Why did Michael Cohen go to jail?

Do you think election interference is okay?

Not sure what’s confusing. 

[GenXer 2881]

10 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

The state of Texas is a beautiful woman that you fall in love with, then you wake up next to her, and she rolls over and the back of her head has this hideous attached fetal twin, and it's alive and spitting blood, pus, piss, the runny shits, and jism all at the same time while clacking its stunted limbs like a crab, and on one grotesquely misshapen finger you see a ring. An Aggy ring.

"Don't mind him, hon," she purrs, "that's just Aggy."

This analogy isn’t quite right. Thirty seconds after you met said beautiful woman, aggy would’ve been screaming that he went to a&m to get your attention because aggy can’t stand getting zero attention.

[Neonmoon 38129]

Just now, tbone_ said:

Ok I have a legal question I’ve never understood. Explain it to me like I’m 15:

Forget that this Trump for a minute. Why does a DA care if some guy pays some ho to shut the fuck up? I keep reading about “falsifying business records”. I get that he called the payment a legal fee but to who? Who were these business records certified to that falsifying them makes it a felony? I mean I can call my ho payments whatever I want in my Quicken app and the DA wouldn’t care.

Don’t get me wrong, I detest this cunt as much as anyone. But this one has alway felt like a reach from a criminal legal perspective to me. What am I missing?

The DA doesn’t care he paid a porn star money. They care he falsified business records to cover up a crime. 

Quote

 

Prosecutors say that 11 checks were doled out for this spurious purpose – and that Trump signed nine of them; the Trump Organization processed each of these checks “disguised as a payment for legal services rendered pursuant to a non-existent retainer agreement”.

Trump’s alleged passing off hush-money payouts as remittance for legal work “made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise”, prosecutors say in the counts of his indictment. This was done, they say, “with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof …”.

 

[Captainant 27677]

6 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

Forget that this Trump for a minute. Why does a DA care if some guy pays some ho to shut the fuck up? I keep reading about “falsifying business records”. I get that he called the payment a legal fee but to who? Who were these business records certified to that falsifying them makes it a felony? I mean I can call my ho payments whatever I want in my Quicken app and the DA wouldn’t care.

Don’t get me wrong, I detest this cunt as much as anyone. But this one has alway felt like a reach from a criminal legal perspective to me. What am I missing?

One of the key facts is that he used this in kind contribution from the national enquirer to keep a critical story quiet at a critical moment of the election, and then covered up his tracks of doing so to hide it from the people that elected him. 

"Separating trump" from the facts removes critically important context. Perhaps instead of "trump" you should mentally model it as "the sitting American President used fraud to hide crimes from before he was president"

[Red Five 40859]

What graduation is Eric talking about that's taking place in April?