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[jimmyjazz 45887]

1 minute ago, Red Five said:

What graduation is Eric talking about that's taking place in April?

Probably Barron (HS).

[Gil Bang 25917]

1 minute ago, Red Five said:

What graduation is Eric talking about that's taking place in April?

Barron is graduating High School (presumably in Palm Beach). 

And the judge has yet to issue a decision on whether dotard can go

[Gil Bang 25917]

Haha

 

[cactusflinthead 27598]

Rest of the thread above. Ain't no way I was going to leave this haircut in the realm of Elmo 

 

[Red Five 40841]

2 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

Barron is graduating High School (presumably in Palm Beach). 

And the judge has yet to issue a decision on whether dotard can go

Probably shouldn't have talked a bunch of shit publicly about the judge and his family. 

[atomheartbevo 89626]

And Eric is just….

[RDCanecutter 26381]

47 minutes ago, GenXer said:

This analogy isn’t quite right. Thirty seconds after you met said beautiful woman, aggy would’ve been screaming that he went to a&m to get your attention because aggy can’t stand getting zero attention.

My Texas existence was mainly in cities up and down I-35, and I somehow avoided learning about the depths of Aggy weirdness. Until I worked there. The day after I finished that contract, I was in Mexico, trying to heal a shattered mind.

[TwiceHorn 31438]

1 hour ago, tbone_ said:

Ok I have a legal question I’ve never understood. Explain it to me like I’m 15:

Forget that this Trump for a minute. Why does a DA care if some guy pays some ho to shut the fuck up? I keep reading about “falsifying business records”. I get that he called the payment a legal fee but to who? Who were these business records certified to that falsifying them makes it a felony? I mean I can call my ho payments whatever I want in my Quicken app and the DA wouldn’t care.

Don’t get me wrong, I detest this cunt as much as anyone. But this one has alway felt like a reach from a criminal legal perspective to me. What am I missing?

You raise a pretty valid point. This is a weird little statute on NYs books. But, it gets prosecuted with some regularity, although I think in contexts where someone is actually deceived. Especially where the deception occurs in the course of the "second" crime that elevates it to a felony. 

Edited April 16 by TwiceHorn

[TwiceHorn 31438]

54 minutes ago, Captainant said:

One of the key facts is that he used this in kind contribution from the national enquirer to keep a critical story quiet at a critical moment of the election, and then covered up his tracks of doing so to hide it from the people that elected him. 

"Separating trump" from the facts removes critically important context. Perhaps instead of "trump" you should mentally model it as "the sitting American President used fraud to hide crimes from before he was president"

Except he isn't actually charged with an election crime, and, as a federal crime, Bragg has no jurisdiction to prosecute it. 

But it is a scheme to conceal it. But the NY crime prompts the question from whom, because no one was looking at his books to try to prove it. 

[Captainant 27633]

1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

Except he isn't actually charged with an election crime, and, as a federal crime, Bragg has no jurisdiction to prosecute it. 

Cohen went to prison for crimes that he pled guilty to, and that trump aided and abetted as a co-conspirator. That is the federal campaign finance law violation that was prosecuted by SDNY in 2018.

7 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

But it is a scheme to conceal it. But the NY crime prompts the question from whom, because no one was looking at his books to try to prove it. 

The concealment was part of the conspiracy to commit a campaign finance law violation.

 

It really is remarkable how quickly you find a way to frame any attempt to prosecute trump as an overreach.

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13570]

@ 8:54

"I keep bringing this up when people are 'this is a weak case' I'm 'somebody already literally went to jail for this'"

 

[TwiceHorn 31438]

17 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Cohen went to prison for crimes that he pled guilty to, and that trump aided and abetted as a co-conspirator. That is the federal campaign finance law violation that was prosecuted by SDNY in 2018.

The concealment was part of the conspiracy to commit a campaign finance law violation.

 

It really is remarkable how quickly you find a way to frame any attempt to prosecute trump as an overreach.

Oh fuck you I do not. 

But the reality, minus the total perspective vortex, is that this is a weird prosecution of a misdemeanor offense that back doors a federal offense to make it a felony. Texas Ed nailed the gist of it. 

The crime that Cohen pled to is a federal offense that Bragg can't prosecute and the feds declined to prosecute against Trump for whatever reason. 

I applaud the gymnastics to get here and hope they succeed. But they are gymnastics that make this legally probably the weakest case against Trump of all of them (as opposed to factually). 

 

Edited April 16 by TwiceHorn

[Rimbo 25911]

33 minutes ago, Captainant said:

It really is remarkable how quickly you find a way to frame any attempt to prosecute trump as an overreach.

Just because we want Trump to be prosecuted for crimes doesn't mean we're going to be credulous to every accusation and assume every fact against him is correct, and every exonerating bit is wrong.

Y'all are doing that, and it sets you up for this mind-numbingly stupid NoThInG wIlL hApPeN! hE kEePs GeTtInG aWaY wItH iT! every time reality happens and you discover that, oh yes, there is more to the story than just the evidence you want to believe.

TwiceHorn's a defense attorney. It's his job to spot the holes in a prosecution's case. And the more you want a claim to be true, the healthier it is to be skeptical of any evidence in favor of it.

 

Edited April 16 by Rimbo

[jimmyjazz 45887]

3 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

TwiceHorn's a defense attorney.

I thought he was a patent/IP guy?  Have I been on Planet Xenon all this time?  (Nobody answer that.)

[Fudge Nuggets 19188]

4 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

TwiceHorn's a defense attorney. It's his job to spot the holes in a prosecution's case.

I thought he was a patent lawyer.

[Captainant 27633]

2 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

TwiceHorn's a defense attorney.

I thought he was an IP attorney?

3 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

And the more you want a claim to be true, the healthier it is to be skeptical of any evidence in favor of it.

Are you saying that trump did not get an in kind campaign contribution from the national enquirer to kill the story and then use campaign funds to pay hush money to the pornstar he banged? We have a fucking check with his signature on it lol. 

What is there to be skeptical of here? That trump is the victim of a big ol mean conspiracy to UNFAIRLY prosecute him? 

[Pig Bellmont 8712]

1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

I thought he was a patent/IP guy?  Have I been on Planet Xenon all this time?  (Nobody answer that.)

No, you’re right. Scottsins did crim law and a few others. Foosters maybe?

Edited April 16 by Pig Bellmont

[Francisco 2.0 32386]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[YGIFS 19449]

I mean, I'm off by a year sometimes wrt to my siblings, but 3 years is a bit much.  

I also picture somebody asking Donald, or even just Eric the name of this school where this special graduation is taking place.  And I picture, along with @Biff Tannen, Kramer being asked at the doctor's office about which clinic it is that he works at.

"I see, Mr. Trump...and what school is Barron's graduation taking place again?"

-Uh (adjusts pipe)...........that's correct, yes."  

[TwiceHorn 31438]

7 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I thought he was a patent/IP guy?  Have I been on Planet Xenon all this time?  (Nobody answer that.)

No you are correct. I'm not a defense attorney, criminal anyway. 

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13570]

10 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Aside from getting your brother's age wrong, Barron hypothetically getting money sent to his bank account from his his/your dad from shady deals is pretty much the trial-free means by how your trust fund dad became a millionaire by age 8, you whiney asshole. 

[Biff Tannen 45665]

14 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

I mean, I'm off by a year sometimes wrt to my siblings, but 3 years is a bit much.  

I also picture somebody asking Donald, or even just Eric the name of this school where this special graduation is taking place.  And I picture, along with @Biff Tannen, Kramer being asked at the doctor's office about which clinic it is that he works at.

"I see, Mr. Trump...and what school is Barron's graduation taking place again?"

-Uh (adjusts pipe)...........that's correct, yes."  

The Netherlands?

[TwiceHorn 31438]

7 minutes ago, Captainant said:

I thought he was an IP attorney?

Are you saying that trump did not get an in kind campaign contribution from the national enquirer to kill the story and then use campaign funds to pay hush money to the pornstar he banged? We have a fucking check with his signature on it lol. 

What is there to be skeptical of here? That trump is the victim of a big ol mean conspiracy to UNFAIRLY prosecute him? 

No I am not. But that is a violation of federal election law that the statute of limitations passed on in about 2021-2022.  As a federal crime, it is a dead letter. 

Alvin Bragg and the state of New York have no jurisdiction to prosecute that offense except by ginning up this thing that incorporates, ostensibly,** a federal offense to raise a New York misdemeanor to a felony. 

**I say ostensibly because it is not yet precisely clear which "another crime" Bragg intends to rely upon to prove the felony level offense. 

If this were somehow a little guy being prosecuted this way, people would be up in arms. 

 

[Irwin F Fletcher 3550]

27 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

 

TwiceHorn's a defense attorney. It's his job to spot the holes.

 

Hold on. He's a defense attorney? I thought he's famous for his back-to-back horn-hole championship.

[Chuckie Finster 22694]

 

 

[The Dog 44019]

Letitia James:

[Captainant 27633]

10 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

If this were somehow a little guy being prosecuted this way, people would be up in arms. 

And if my aunt had a dick she'd be my uncle. Trump is not a little guy. He is a historical fucking aberration. He abused the office of the president to hide his petty pornstar payoff fraud, of which he illegally had the story buried. 

I just don't understand the insistence on repeating the trumpco rhetoric of "just imagine this were happening to the little guy!" Trump. Is. Not. The. Little. Guy.

[Bullneck 19073]

4 minutes ago, The Dog said:

Letitia James:

[Neonmoon 38129]

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

I applaud the gymnastics to get here and hope they succeed. But they are gymnastics that make this legally probably the weakest case against Trump of all of them (as opposed to factually). 

Trump going to prison on a trumped up charge is perfect. 

[YGIFS 19449]

So we're all agreed, since Barron is graduating on 17 May (a Friday when court is adjourned), we show up on this random M-Th weekday in April when Donald and Eric seem to think the graduation is taking place and we pull a good fashioned 90210 for Donna Martin.

"Let Barron Trump graduate!  Let Barron Trump graduate!  Let Barron Trump graduate!"  Then we all meet up at the Mar-a-Lago KEG house for beers afterwards.  Sound good?  

Steve Sanders could host! 

[The Dog 44019]

The repo man showing up to get the plane:

[TwiceHorn 31438]

6 minutes ago, Captainant said:

And if my aunt had a dick she'd be my uncle. Trump is not a little guy. He is a historical fucking aberration. He abused the office of the president to hide his petty pornstar payoff fraud, of which he illegally had the story buried. 

I just don't understand the insistence on repeating the trumpco rhetoric of "just imagine this were happening to the little guy!" Trump. Is. Not. The. Little. Guy.

No shit Sherlock. He should have been prosecuted straight up years ago like a lot of his cohort doing crimes in the Southern District of New York. 

Then we might not be so worried about all this shit. 

 

[The Dog 44019]

 

[The Dog 44019]

(It’s April 5,2024 - rubes made another typo)

[tx 3 putt 76870]

3 hours ago, Red Five said:

I wonder if it would be a big deal if Biden fell asleep during the first day of the first of four criminal trials. Probably not.

3 minutes ago, The Dog said:

(It’s April 5,2024 - rubes made another typo)

delay game

[Pato del Muerto 52485]

So how much is it costing him to secure this bond with that account instead of just using the account to pay the bond? And why?

[The Dog 44019]

Remember the problem wasn’t Trump’s collateral - it was Knights ability to pay if he stiffed them (which he will).

[TwiceHorn 31438]

4 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

So how much is it costing him to secure this bond with that account instead of just using the account to pay the bond? And why?

He can't, as a broad notion, secure with the account. He'd have to liquidate it and bring a cashiers check to the clerk of the court.  

The supersedeas bond or undertaking is cash in everything but name, in most jurisdictions.  The only thing Trump saves is taxes upon liquidation.  Really only delaying that, assuming the judgment is affirmed to the tune of 175M.

[Jiggy-Z 3432]

6 hours ago, tbone_ said:

Wasn’t his kid the dude from the Butthole Surfers?

Don't know, but my twin brother got in a wreck with their lead singer back in the late 80s. It was Butthole Surfer guys fault and he didn't have insurance so he gave my brother a bunch of cash on the spot.

It was just a fender bender, but my asshole brother pocketed the $ and never got the bumper fixed.

[TwiceHorn 31438]

4 minutes ago, The Dog said:

Remember the problem wasn’t Trump’s collateral - it was Knights ability to pay if he stiffed them (which he will).

Actually, from the objection raised by James office, it was just KSLs ability to do insurance business of this nature in NY.  The rest of it seems to be overkill. 

[TexasEd 8066]

I thought Knight had to prove they were solvent and could pay the $175M on demand and not go out of business waiting for the collateral to be liquidated and turned over.

Edited April 16 by TexasEd

[staboner 4969]

is he deads yet

[Gil Bang 25917]

2 hours ago, Pig Bellmont said:

No, you’re right. Scottsins did crim law and a few others. Foosters maybe?

Foosters is a Los Angeles criminal defense guy.   He's fighting the good fight.  A fight that NEEDS to be fought. 

[The Dog 44019]

43 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Actually, from the objection raised by James office, it was just KSLs ability to do insurance business of this nature in NY.  The rest of it seems to be overkill. 

Yeah you know far more than I do - thanks for chiming in.

[Rimbo 25911]

3 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

I thought he was a patent/IP guy?  Have I been on Planet Xenon all this time?  (Nobody answer that.)

 

3 hours ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

I thought he was a patent lawyer.

 

I stand corrected.

 

3 hours ago, Captainant said:

What is there to be skeptical of here? That trump is the victim of a big ol mean conspiracy to UNFAIRLY prosecute him? 

 

Uhm, no.

Being skeptical just means what I said: The more you want something to be true, the more careful you have to be when you examine the facts, because human nature is to see what we want to see. Pretty much all of us want Trump convicted, thrown into jail, stripped of his properties, and of course, defeated yet again in November. But this leads us to believe he's guilty of things even when, by the strict letter of the law, he might not be; it makes it look like he's getting away with crimes when, strictly, he's not.

[tbone_ 14110]

And if my aunt had a dick she'd be my uncle. Trump is not a little guy. He is a historical fucking aberration. He abused the office of the president to hide his petty pornstar payoff fraud, of which he illegally had the story buried. 
I just don't understand the insistence on repeating the trumpco rhetoric of "just imagine this were happening to the little guy!" Trump. Is. Not. The. Little. Guy.

Man you miss the point as good as anyone I can recall. It really is a gift it seems.

[hayden_horn 11362]

1 hour ago, Jiggy-Z said:

Don't know, but my twin brother got in a wreck with their lead singer back in the late 80s. It was Butthole Surfer guys fault and he didn't have insurance so he gave my brother a bunch of cash on the spot.

It was just a fender bender, but my asshole brother pocketed the $ and never got the bumper fixed.

and they were all in love with dyin and they were doin it in texas

[dcbc 14465]

7 hours ago, staboner said:

is he deads yet

He not dead.  He only sleeping.

[WhatTheBuck 28775]

5 minutes ago, dcbc said:

He not dead.  He only sleeping.

He’s not dead, he just smells funny. 

[dcbc 14465]

2 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

He’s not dead, he just smells funny. 

He's not dead.  He's just an asshole.

Edited April 16 by dcbc