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[NWBuck 8,583]

Just now, Pato del Muerto said:

solution

And then they could just pressure wash it at the end of every session... great idea.

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18 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

 

All the other supporters must've finally gotten jobs....

[TeeDubya 3,362]

2 minutes ago, speed817 said:

All the other supporters must've finally gotten jobs....

"Tremendous jobs.  Wow.  Jobs so beautiful.  Just amazing."

[Bozo_Casanova 26,522]

Off topic, but when an adult poops in an adult diaper, I’m assuming it’s just like a baby’s in terms of distribution up and down. Is a blowout upwards into the shirt back via the waistband a thing that can happen with an adult diaper?

[Pato del Muerto 52,571]

Well that’s enough internet for today 

[Rimbo 26,052]

7 minutes ago, speed817 said:

All the other supporters must've finally gotten jobs....

Got jobs, you say?

 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33,887]

anyone else get super perturbed when he's referred to as President Trump? drives me batty

[Fudge Nuggets 19,211]

2 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

anyone else get super perturbed when he's referred to as President Trump? drives me batty

I wish a juror would blurt out “former President”, but that would probably be frowned upon. 

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4 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Off topic, but when an adult poops in an adult diaper, I’m assuming it’s just like a baby’s in terms of distribution up and down. Is a blowout upwards into the shirt back via the waistband a thing that can happen with an adult diaper?

There's a 'Black Trump(et) Mushroom" joke in here somewhere (literally the darkest type of fungi and dick).  

 I'm gonna need some adult diapers when he dies because as I understand it, heroin apparently causes constipation but then releases itself all at once.  nevermind the Guiness Stour, cocaine, and fireworks all shoved up my own ass 

[RDCanecutter 26,466]

10 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Off topic, but when an adult poops in an adult diaper, I’m assuming it’s just like a baby’s in terms of distribution up and down. Is a blowout upwards into the shirt back via the waistband a thing that can happen with an adult diaper?

I like to think that there is a semi-liquid poop pool down at the asshole, so that farts percolate up through it like pot smoke through bong water, except maybe with different effects.

[NWBuck 8,583]

16 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

I like to think that there is a semi-liquid poop pool down at the asshole, so that farts percolate up through it like pot smoke through bong water, except maybe with different effects.

 

[Gatorubet 30,290]

Just now, NWBuck said:

[TwiceHorn 31,529]

6 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

FYI for those with interest:

 

There’s some good news for people who want to follow the Trump trial in detail, but can’t make it to the courthouse. The New York state court system has just agreed to publish a transcript of each day’s proceeding by the end of the following day on its website. You can find the daily transcripts here.

 

https://ww2.nycourts.gov/press/index.shtml

 

Floggin those court reporters.

[Francisco 2.0 32,416]

 

 

 

[Gil Bang 25,999]

Maddow quoting Stringer Bell

 

 

[jimmyjazz 46,095]

2 hours ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

anyone else get super perturbed when he's referred to as President Trump? drives me batty

Eh, that's pretty standard for a former POTUS.

[atomheartbevo 89,778]

5 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Eh, that's pretty standard for a former POTUS.

Well then we should apply that standard everywhere - if you held the title of "Biggest Penis in 9th Grade from October 7 to November 13" 30 years ago, you should still be remembered for that, even on days when you don't wear the t-shirt that you were awarded.

[Gil Bang 25,999]

7 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Eh, that's pretty standard for a former POTUS.

Except he's never ever had the decency to use it himself.  It's "Sleepy Joe", Barack HUSSEIN Obama, etc. 

 

[WhatTheBuck 28,797]

3 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

I’d love to know if they can admit his extramarital affairs with Marla Maples and Melania into the record.

His affair with Marla Maples was public knowledge while he was still married to Ivanka. (Oops, I mean Ivana.) It was in the news. Johnny Carson joked about it. His character as a philanderer and womanizer was established over 3 decades ago. Some of his followers embrace that and think it makes him manly and a stud. I’ll bet Trump thinks it makes him BMOC. I think it should absolutely be admissible. 

[4th&Five 41,586]

[Dnaguy 12,045]

4 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Well then we should apply that standard everywhere - if you held the title of "Biggest Penis in 9th Grade from October 7 to November 13" 30 years ago, you should still be remembered for that, even on days when you don't wear the t-shirt that you were awarded.

October 7 to November with 13”, in 9th grade, and you ended up not being the biggest dick in school?!

Damn.

Did you got to Yates?

[jimmyjazz 46,095]

7 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

Except he's never ever had the decency to use it himself.  It's "Sleepy Joe", Barack HUSSEIN Obama, etc. 

No disagreement.  Just pointing out the standard.

[pyrohornIII 4,817]

8 hours ago, 'stache said:

She has publicly described what his junk looks like, if he's going to deny sexual relations with her, it seems pretty obvious to me how to prove whether she's telling the truth, but please, please, please, no.

What are the odds Trump will try to use a picture of Hunter's junk and claim it as his own?

[F250 28,814]

2 hours ago, RDCanecutter said:

I like to think that there is a semi-liquid poop pool down at the asshole, so that farts percolate up through it like pot smoke through bong water, except maybe with different effects.

[StassneyHorn 6,628]

55 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

Maddow quoting Stringer Bell

 

 

This is why the first 20 minutes of her show is the best edging not found on skinemax, and former republicans just want to get to boobs.

Edited April 23 by StassneyHorn

[atomheartbevo 89,778]

1 hour ago, Dnaguy said:

October 7 to November with 13”, in 9th grade, and you ended up not being the biggest dick in school?!

Damn.

Did you got to Yates?

They weren't measuring erection size unfortunately, but I understand why - it would have gotten weird for the coaches and the home economics teacher.

[Hermanator 7,139]

3 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Well then we should apply that standard everywhere - if you held the title of "Biggest Penis in 9th Grade from October 7 to November 13" 30 years ago, you should still be remembered for that, even on days when you don't wear the t-shirt that you were awarded.

How did you know they gave me a t shirt?

[tx 3 putt 77,336]

13 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

How about we pick an American owned island in the pacific and drop him off, and have a one of those robot m donalds’ there to make his meals. 

Any military prison will do

[tx 3 putt 77,336]

6 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

solution

good lord, he’d hot box himself and pass out !!!!

 

[Underdog 28,767]

6 hours ago, pyrohornIII said:

What are the odds Trump will try to use a picture of Hunter's junk and claim it as his own?

Or use a sharpie. 

[Nothing To Add 81]

I think it is time for him to be rolled into court Hannibel Lecter style and have him stand on his dolly next to his attorney all day.

[Francisco 2.0 32,416]

I have more work to do today, but here's some updates from his contempt hearing:

 

One thing striking listening to Chris Conroy, one of the prosecutors, as he calls for Justice Merchan to do something that could make Trump stop, is how evocative it is of the lawyer Roberta Kaplan’s closing arguments in Trump's defamation trial, where she asked the jury how much money it would take to get Trump to stop defaming E. Jean Carroll.

 

A prosecutor, Chris Conroy, begins to detail his team’s argument on the gag order. He says each of the 10 Trump posts in question violated the order, and that eight of them were on Truth Social. Two were on his official campaign website.

Conroy says that these violations pose a very real “threat” to the proceedings, having an “undertow” effect on witnesses and making them afraid. The witnesses, he says, “rightly fear being subject to similar vitriol.”

As expected, Conroy says Trump's attacks on Michael Cohen in the hallway outside the courtroom yesterday again violated the order. So that’s 11 violations prosecutors say he commited.

 

The prosecutors have returned. Trump, who was isolated and alone at the defense table, in what is becoming a familiar image at this trial, has also been rejoined by his lawyers. The judge is back on the bench and says that two matters are now in the record.

It appears that the two matters were the two separate attempts that prosecutors have made to see Trump held in contempt of court. They say he’s violated the gag order 10 times.

 

The judge is in and we are underway.

The lawyers and the judge left the courtroom almost immediately after the session began. We do not know why.

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Conroy, reminding Justice Merchan of the procedural history here, notes that a second order came after Trump “ratcheted up attacks on family members.” That impersonal language hides something the judge knows well: Those attacks were made on his own family members, including his daughter.

Conroy is ticking through Trump's alleged gag order violations, including one in which he thanked Stormy Daniels’s disgraced lawyer, Michael Avenatti, for criticizing Michael Cohen. Conroy also describes how Trump called Cohen and Daniels “sleazebags.”

[Francisco 2.0 32,416]

Conroy is now describing five more examples, all versions of the same post, in which Trump shared a New York Post article about Michael Cohen and quoted its headline: “A serial perjurer will try to prove an old misdemeanor against Trump in an embarrassment for the New York legal system.”

Trump is looking ahead in the judge’s direction as Conroy ticks through these violations. As social media posts of his are read into the record, his face twitches slightly.

[SydneyCarton 48,150]

5 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

I have more work to do today, but here's some updates from his contempt hearing:

 

 

1) Thank you.
2) Don't even try to start easter egging the whole "I'm too busy to post updates" line. I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING (and it better not be your day job). 

[Francisco 2.0 32,416]

3 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

1) Thank you.
2) Don't even try to start easter egging the whole "I'm too busy to post updates" line. I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING (and it better not be your day job). 

Eh, we all know what each of us is doing. I guess the only real mystery is if we are doing it in our underwear or not.

I actually have to leave the office for an hour or so around 9:15, and I'm not sure my AI bot is capable of scraping this off of the NYTimes and re-posting here for the viewing pleasure of everyone, but I'll see what I can do.

 

And with that:

 

Conroy says that Trump “violates the order when he posts about known witnesses or reasonably forseeable witnesses,” and “violates the order when he posts about a juror or prospective juror.”

 

And finally, Conroy says Trump violated the gag order when on Truth Social, he quoted the Fox News commentator Jesse Watters denigrating prospective jurors as "undercover liberal activists.” Prosecutors have flagged this as the most serious of the violations and Conroy does so again, calling it “very troubling.”

Conroy points to the timing of the post, last Wednesday evening. The next morning, Juror #2 came into court and asked to be excused. This upset Justice Merchan. He complimented the juror after excusing her, saying she would have done a good job.

Edited April 23 by Francisco 2.0

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Throwing a "MAGA" into a post doesn’t make it political, Conroy says, dismissing the idea that Trump's comments fall under the category of protected political speech. It may make it more ominous, Conroy adds.

 

Conroy is talking about Trump’s seeking to use politics as a defense, saying it “makes no sense,” eviscerating the clear language and meaning of the gag order. “There’s no indication that his claim that he’s responding to attacks is anything more than an after-the-fact justification,” Conroy says.

Edited April 23 by Francisco 2.0

[The Dog 44,124]

quick aside - it looks more and more like Meadows sang like a canary:

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Just a little Badd thinking. No matter what info is therein one thing that Trump has always cried about is Crossfire Hurricane. Whether it was Raw Human Intel, whether it was the real deal or just one report in a sea of reports, it is The one thing that Trump fears the most for some odd Russian reason. It scared him so much that he spent 4 years talking about it, crying about it, and trying to call it a Left-Wing Conspiracy, a Witch Hunt, a Hoax, his favorite go-tos. He sent his 'Acting' picks to scour our Intelligence Community, you know the clowns, Patel, Wolfe, Grinnell, Miller, and so on to find that case file, they searched high and low, and in the meantime, they brought Trump boatloads of Documents from everywhere, a truckload worth to be exact, not to mention the late night drives with stuff from the White House to Mar a Lago. Meadows Office was the depository but they never found them until the very end. As Trump was about to leave Office, word is he sent Meadows to the Department of Justice to get those files, even 'Declassified' them to try to force the DoJ to give them up, I believe that was the 10" binder he got. Whether this was the real deal or just a prop, we won't know until it's over but this I can say, Trump fought with the FBI and the Archives to return everything he took but he decided to hold them hostage, and what the hell was his excuse, 'I will return them if I get the Crossfire Hurricane investigation' which should come across as odd because supposedly, Meadows got it for him so that leads me to believe he was Not happy with what he got. He didn't find what he was looking for IMO, and so the circus began. All that being said, the question becomes, when did Meadows start cooperating with the FBI. Well, someone told the FBI where to look at Mar a Lago, and let me tell you, that is a pretty short list, especially when you throw in a Safe! By the way, the contents of that safe is devastating to Trump

 

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Edited April 23 by texasdago

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This question will be a typical askew Lobo post.  I got a good grade in CrimPro 25 years ago but I've never been a party to a criminal trial.  Have no idea how this goes down.  So to you serious CrimLaw Cats, particularly those familiar with NY State courts:

-If a juror is gotten to, or a family member of their is threatened and they can't serve for obvious reasons, are they just replaced by an alternate or does the whole trial shut down and a new jury seated?  Is it a mistrial that has to be completely 'rebooted' from scratch?  Does the judge look into how the jury was compromised and dole out punishment?  Basically, is there some inherent delay advantage to fucking with a juror/juror family member so as to punt this thing even farther downfield to get closer to the election?  

I know from having grown up around Sam Giancana's son-in-law and labor union leaders and trucking guys, about jury tampering to just sway a vote from 12-0 to 11-1.  But none of those guys were running for President of the United States.  They bought some time to marshal resources or sway a unanimous vote.  Fucking with this particular Manhattan jury would seem to still come down harshly on Trump but something he can hold as political capital and drive out more votes should it not be resolved by June, but rather by October.  I dunno.  

It's not gonna take a MAGA lunatic much poking to go out and act on their God's behalf and do something stupid or dangerous.  I thought I was being paranoid, but we've already had Trump sleep through most of the trial, somebody resigned duty over a 'medical' issue, several have expressed concern over their safety, Judge keeps appearing/disappearing with no explanation, and a dude set himself on fire outside the courthouse.  And by the way, we're only 5 days into the proceedings and the only other comparable court case circus was O.J.'s and he just happened to die before this all got started.  The simulation is being weirder than me.  And that's saying something.

[Francisco 2.0 32,416]

Todd Blanche, one of Trump's lawyers, is responding for the defense. He says Trump knows what the gag order allows him to do, and there was “no willful violation” of it. He again argues, as he did in his opening statement, that there's nothing to see here.

Blanche is arguing that nothing can be seen devoid of political context when it comes to Trump.

 

Conroy says prosecutors will not seek jail for now, even though Trump seems to be “angling” for that.

While Trump has made a show of daring prosecutors to jail him, there are few Trump advisers who think Trump actually wants to or would welcome the reality of being put in a prison cell.

New York state’s criminal contempt law permits a $1,000 fine and jail time of up to 30 days for each violation of the gag order. And Conroy is asking the judge to warn Trump that he could face custody.

 

Conroy now focuses on Trump’s defense that “reposts” aren’t his own words. Trump has used a version of this defense politically as well since 2016.

Conroy says that Trump “is doing nothing less than knowingly and willingly, that is intentionally, breaching the crystal clear, unequivocal lines set by this court.”

[Francisco 2.0 32,416]

Blanche is trying to get his client out of hot water by seeking to reframe Trump’s statements about Michael Cohen and Stormy Daniels as responses to “a barrage of political attacks.”

Merchan says that he doesn’t want to get into “interpreting and reading between the lines” of Trump’s posts as Blanche continues to push the point that Trump’s attacks are political, and not specifically related to the case, despite being about likely witnesses.

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29 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Eh, we all know what each of us is doing. I guess the only real mystery is if we are doing it in our underwear or not.

I actually have to leave the office for an hour or so around 9:15, and I'm not sure my AI bot is capable of scraping this off of the NYTimes and re-posting here for the viewing pleasure of everyone, but I'll see what I can do.

 

And with that:

 

Conroy says that Trump “violates the order when he posts about known witnesses or reasonably forseeable witnesses,” and “violates the order when he posts about a juror or prospective juror.”

 

And finally, Conroy says Trump violated the gag order when on Truth Social, he quoted the Fox News commentator Jesse Watters denigrating prospective jurors as "undercover liberal activists.” Prosecutors have flagged this as the most serious of the violations and Conroy does so again, calling it “very troubling.”

Conroy points to the timing of the post, last Wednesday evening. The next morning, Juror #2 came into court and asked to be excused. This upset Justice Merchan. He complimented the juror after excusing her, saying she would have done a good job.

I didn't realize Juror #2 had been dismissed. That was the Truth Social/X user. 

[dieucla98 2,942]

Judge Merchan is getting tired of Blanche's (Trump's attorney) bullshit - 

"What I do see is, I keep asking you over and over again for a specific answer, and I’m not getting an answer," Merchan said to Blanche.

Because there is no good answer, your honor.

[dieucla98 2,942]

Ugh, this doesn't feel like it's going to go in prosecution's favor now - assuming DJT complies, why else make the request if not to provide DJT an out?

Judge Juan Merchan said he wants to hear an assertion under oath that Donald Trump believed he wasn't violating the gag order when he made the posts in question.

Edited April 23 by dieucla98

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Oh geez, he must really mean business.  He's going to test Trump's capacity to lie under high stakes situations?  Oh my, bold strategy Cotton.  

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[dieucla98 2,942]

BTW... Free to read live stream from CNN for those interested in a work distraction: https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-hush-money-trial-04-23-24/index.html

[Dahobbs 17,655]

27 minutes ago, dieucla98 said:

Ugh, this doesn't feel like it's going to go in prosecution's favor now - assuming DJT complies, why else make the request if not to provide DJT an out?

Judge Juan Merchan said he wants to hear an assertion under oath that Donald Trump believed he wasn't violating the gag order when he made the posts in question.

Uh, I read that the opposite way. A judge asking for testimony under oath in connection with a sanction hearing is rarely a good sign for the person being sanctioned. It isn't a free out. It is an opportunity for Trump to dig himself a deeper hole. And, at least in my experience, when the judge asks for this, the judge is going to be asking some questions as well. This isn't a one shot free of cross examination. No way in hell I'd like Trump on the stand if I were his attorney. 

[Francisco 2.0 32,416]

Todd Blanche, who had a rocky morning in court in front of Justice Merchan, is now sitting third-chair, amiably chatting with Trump, smiling and laughing a bit, twirling a pen in his right hand.

 

Given Justice Merchan’s disbelief at Todd Blanche’s argument that some of Trump's posts did not violate the gag order because they were reposts, it's worth remembering that Blanche pressed a prospective juror last week about social media posts that were critical of Trump. The prospective juror explained that the posts were actually reposts. “Did you watch this before you posted it?” Justice Merchan asked, before excusing the prospective juror.

 

While court was on a break, Trump complained about the gag order on Truth Social. In an all-caps post, he accused Justice Merchan of taking away his “right to free speech” and claimed that he was “not allowed to defend myself.”

Trump is already dealing directly with the repercussions of that hearing and negative views of his lawyer’s performance during it. While coming back into the courtroom, reporters referred back to the judge's comment, asking him whether he thought his lawyer, Todd Blanche, had any credibility and whether he was happy with his performance. Trump didn’t respond, but waved at the reporters.

 

We will now reorient, with that dramatic hearing behind us, unless the judge rules on the gag order very quickly from the bench. Soon, the jury will reenter and David Pecker, the former publisher of The National Enquirer, will resume his testimony, which began yesterday.

 

Prosecutors just re-entered the courtroom. Several of them were smiling and at least one was chuckling at something a colleague said. Little dispute that the hearing went well for them.

 

This hearing, ostensibly about violations of a gag order, doubled as a complete onslaught on the Trump ethos. Justice Merchan clarified that politics infused everything that the former president does and insisted on hearing good faith arguments, and the truth, wherever possible. We knew this was going to be a big moment; it was even more revealing than expected.

Trump leaves the courtroom, scanning the rows of reporters. He again looks frustrated, as he did yesterday when he left.

Todd Blanche also appeared frustrated after his argument concluded. Trump immediately beckoned him over and they whispered to each other, before Trump snatched a piece of paper that was in front of him on the defense table. Blanche then rubbed his face.

 

Trump has always treated his own words as if they’re a completely disposable commodity. That is not how it works in a courtroom.

 

We thought we were taking a break after a very fiery hearing. Merchan will not give a decision right away. But now the prosecutor, Christopher Conroy, is responding briefly.

 

Justice Merchan wants to conclude the hearing, but Todd Blanche wants to continue arguing. “This gag order,” he says. “We are trying to comply with it.”

As Blanche insists Trump is trying to follow with the rules, Merchan interrupts him. “You’re losing all credibility with the court,” he says.

This is going to be a long trial. Blanche is in jeopardy of ruining his relationship with Merchan at a very early stage of the game.

Merchan, now calmer, is all but pleading with Blanche to make a more substantive argument to back up the idea that reposts should not be subject to the gag order. “I hate to keep coming back to this, but you’re not offering me anything to support your argument,” the judge says.

 

Justice Merchan notes that on his post about Jesse Watters's statements, Trump did not quote the Fox News commentator directly. “Your client manipulated what was said and put it in quotes,” Merchan says. Blanche agrees that it was not a true repost, but argues that it's still not clear that it violated the gag order.

Edited April 23 by Francisco 2.0