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50 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

 

This is yet another part where Trump sounds like a lame-ass desperate loser

 

He's like the Presidential version of Elon Musk, only he had sex.

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1 hour ago, Pato del Muerto said:

The correct answer of course is .38 special. 

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Yeah, I think I've read as much as I really want to. Mostly wanted to see if the Times' characterization of the day was accurate (big surprise -- not! -- it really wasn't) and to get some of the "salacious" details that they weren't reporting (another big non-surprise -- they did).

The Times already got out all the good details, and things don't read off the paper as being nearly as contentious as they made it sound; they made it sound like the judge was sustaining objection after objection, but it looked pretty even-handed to me.

The prosecution obviously wants Stormy's characterization of Trump to get into people's minds -- her fears, the power imbalance, and just how pathetic he is that he pretty much has to use his position of power to get laid, and even then sucks at it and can't get as much as he wants. And the Defense doesn't want that, because they're acting at his behest. (Also, tbf, it really does NOT have all that much to do with the case.)

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13 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

Yeah, I think I've read as much as I really want to. Mostly wanted to see if the Times' characterization of the day was accurate (big surprise -- not! -- it really wasn't) and to get some of the "salacious" details that they weren't reporting (another big non-surprise -- they did).

Thank you for posting those.

Just glad I have something to pass on to the MAGA relatives - "hey, you gotta read these transcripts, Trump has sex just like y'all do!"

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12 hours ago, BamaATL said:

Nothing gets the ladies going quite like a little "Fuck Martinez"

When her name is Martinez, it hits close to home. Noamsayin?

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Stormy, Day 2

Stormy Daniels continued to insult Trump up until the end of her cross-examination, at one point even questioning which indictment of his Susan Necheles was referring to. She quipped: “There were a lot of indictments.”

The defense moved it to strike that comment from the record, but the judge said no: he said Daniels’s testimony had been responsive to the questioning.

The cross-examination has come to an end. Susan Necheles outright accused Stormy Daniels of lying about her story again. There was a sustained objection, and now, the lawyers are discussing the issue with the judge.

The jury is back and so is Stormy Daniels, as Susan Necheles continues her cross-examination. She introduces a story about Daniels being at a nightclub with Trump and the football player Ben Roethlisberger. Daniels is still speaking quietly. Necheles quickly changes subjects, and asks about Daniels promoting her “Make America Horny Again” tour on her Instagram account. She’s still trying to catch Daniels in very small contradictions — Daniels had said she hated the tour name. Daniels is fighting back, but with a little less energy.

We’re taking a short break. Stormy Daniels comes off the stand. She doesn’t look at Trump.

Susan Necheles, for many minutes now, has sought to make Stormy Daniels look like she is lying about her sexual encounter with Trump. It’s worth remembering, at this moment, that the defense is not necessarily seeking to convince all of the jurors that Daniels is lying or that the sex didn’t happen. They only need to convince one of them. Still, Necheles remains in dangerous territory. “You’re trying to make me say it’s changed, but it hasn’t changed,” Daniels says of her story.

Susan Necheles’s next line of questioning related to why Stormy Daniels said she felt a power imbalance with Trump before their sexual encounter. Necheles cuts Daniels off as she’s talking, prompting prosecutors to ask the judge to permit the witness to answer. Necheles pushes on the insinuation that Daniels is making up her feeling that Trump was overpowering her. Daniels gives perhaps her strongest testimony of the morning:  “My own insecurities made me feel that way,” she says, her voice never wavering.

Susan Necheles has reached the moment before the sexual encounter, and is seeking to question Daniels’s credibility about that account, mixing in descriptions of Daniels’s previous work in porn. Necheles notes that in Daniels’s book, she describes the early part of the encounter, writing that she made him her "bitch.” Necheles seeks to suggest there's an inconsistency here, because Daniels wrote about being aggressive with Trump but then testified that she was intimidated when he approached her for sex. Necheles is in extremely dangerous territory here: She could convince jurors that Daniels was inconsistent. But these jurors may also understand how complex these types of situations — and memories of them are.

Necheles eventually cuts right to the point of her cross-examination about the sexual encounter: “You made all this up, right?” she asks. Daniels responds forcefully: “No.”

“There was no more conversation,” Daniels says, about what happened after she left the bathroom, the moment at which she says the sexual encounter began.

Susan Necheles, seeking to highlight inconsistencies in Stormy Daniels’s story, just landed on a spot where she was in fact consistent, and one that may stick in jurors’s minds. She was seeking to undercut Daniels's comment that Trump was watching television when she arrived at the hotel suite. But as she cites old evidence, Necheles informs us that Daniels mentioned years ago that Trump was wearing pajamas, one of the indelible details that Daniels also noted in Tuesday's testimony. Trump wearing pajamas seems like a more memorable detail than whether he was watching television.

Susan Necheles spent many, many minutes drilling down on what Stormy Daniels meant when she said she and Trump had dinner but didn’t eat. It’s a pretty picayune distinction that the jurors can probably pick up on. It's starting to feel like Necheles is swinging a hammer over and over this minor semantic choice just for the sake of it.

Part of the reason Necheles is even able to do this sort of minor parsing of words in the first place is because Daniels has now told her story in many places many different times, and invariably there will be slight alterations in each recounting. Defense lawyers love it when witnesses have given multiple accounts of the same event.

Susan Necheles is addressing something that Stormy Daniels has long said, which is that she did not eat while in Trump’s hotel room in 2006 — presenting evidence that Daniels has at times described that episode as having been a “dinner.” It may seem minor but the defense is likely hoping to show the jurors that Daniels’s memory cannot be trusted in this description of something that happened just before she says she and Trump had sex. Daniels, though, is still fighting back, describing the encounter as a “dinner” but saying no food was ever served — which is why she’s always harped on the lack of food in interviews.

Stormy Daniels, being quizzed extensively about whether she actually ate while in Trump's hotel room in 2006, prior to the alleged sexual encounter, smiles a bit. “It was dinner,” she says, “but we never got food.” She adds: “I’m very food-motivated.”

This is mostly an attempt to confuse the jury about what Daniels has actually said. It’s certainly confusing for the press watching in the courtroom.

The best witnesses have vivid recall of events and tell their stories consistently over time. Susan Necheles is homing in on any discrepancy she can find.

Just to remind readers, as Susan Necheles continues to describe their encounter as a “supposed” meeting at a hotel, as she seeks to challenge Stormy Daniels’s story, we saw evidence on screen that Daniels had not just Trump’s bodyguard, Keith Schiller, listed in her phone, but his gatekeeper, Rhona Graff.

Trump appears to be dozing as Susan Necheles questions Stormy Daniels at length about the details of her meeting with him.

Stormy Daniels’s story of her sexual encounter with Trump is very nuanced and complex, and Daniels describes a lot of different types of motivations and a really conflicted approach to the whole episode. From the stand she sounded reluctant to go to dinner with Trump, and did so, in part, at the encouragement of her publicist. Susan Necheles, I think, is going to attack her mixed motivations directly, making her seem as if she was lying about how much she wanted to have dinner with Trump in 2006, and how she understood the encounter.

Necheles is trying to point out an indiscrepancy by Daniels on a relatively small point — whether it was Trump or Trump's bodyguard who invited her to dinner. Daniels gets flustered, and the prosecution has an objection sustained.

Daniels is beginning to sound upset as this questioning continues. Necheles is attacking Daniels’s account of the story, saying she described it differently in her book and at trial. This is a really tense moment for both witness and lawyer: Very easy for either of them to lose the sympathy of the jurors now.

Susan Necheles, relying on Stormy Daniels’s book, begins to question her about what the defense lawyer calls “the supposed sexual encounter” that she says “supposedly occurred 18 years ago.” Daniels is fighting back on every mild mischaracterization on Necheles’s part — including where Trump’s bodyguard was at any given time — that she can. Now, Necheles begins to say that Daniels’s story of the sex has changed.

Necheles continues to be derisive of Daniels’s sex work in her questioning. As she asks about the golf tournament where Daniels met Trump, she refers to “you and the other porn stars who were there.” The public perceptions around adult film and sex work have changed a lot in the last decade, and it’s unclear how the jury will perceive this back and forth.

In a cable interview last year, Michael Cohen predicted that Stormy Daniels would do well if she testified against Trump, saying, “She’s very quick on her feet.” She seems to be showing that today, even if there is no way to know how jurors are receiving her.

Stormy Daniels, very much playing on her home turf with these questions, holds her ground and seems utterly unshamed about her career in the sex trade.

Trump is glowering, hunched over the defense table, as Daniels continues to insult him.

Trump’s lawyer Todd Blanche can’t help but laugh when Daniels says she is “pretty sure we all know” how to have sex.

An all-important exchange just now: Susan Necheles asks Stormy Daniels about her experience making porn films. “You have a lot of experience in making phony stories about sex appear to be real,” she says. Daniels responds: “That’s not how I would put it.” She is momentarily taken aback, and then adds, “The sex in the films is very much real, just like what happened to me in that room.” What jurors make of this — and of the accusation that pornography is akin to fabricating from whole cloth a sexual encounter — is incredibly important.

Necheles is belittling Daniels's work in a way that is intended to suggest she is lying about having had sex with Trump.

Daniels responds quickly to this particular line of questioning and has used at least one very memorable line: Necheles implies directly that she made up her story of sex with Trump. But if it weren’t true, Daniels replies, “I would have written it to be a lot better,” drawing laughter in the courtroom.

Susan Necheles now brings up something that was inevitably going to be part of cross-examination: Stormy Daniels’s work as a medium. “You’ve made a show and a podcast claiming you can speak with dead people, right?” The goal is to make her seem unreliable as a narrator. Daniels tries to make a joke around one her paranormal interests, and the jurors don’t react.

It’s a new angle from Necheles: portraying Daniels as crazy by bringing up her beliefs in the paranormal and communicating with dead people.

So, to keep score, Necheles has now tried to discredit Daniels by suggesting she is crazy, dishonest, money-grubbing, desperate and fame-hungry.

Trump is leaning forward and staring at the screen showing the exhibits of Stormy Daniels’s merchandise, including t-shirts and comic books. He is seemingly very interested in her efforts to make money off of the story of her affair with Trump.

The jurors are paying close attention to the testimony this morning. When Stormy Daniels was on the stand for questioning from prosecutors, she made jokes a few times. The jurors didn’t react at all. She is engaging very differently today, continuing a combative series of exchanges with Susan Necheles, and jurors are looking back and forth between them.

As we’ve said, it’s clear how the defense is seeking to cast Stormy Daniels. But the defense has carefully avoided, thus far, Daniels’s story of having had sex with Trump. That’s what Trump is accused of seeking to cover up, before the election through a hush-money payment and afterward, through what prosecutors say were disguised repayments to Michael Cohen. These accusations against Daniels may distract the jury — but they may not.

Susan Necheles just noted that Stormy Daniels has “an online store where you sell merchandise,” accusing her of “shilling” online. Daniels responds: “Not unlike Mr. Trump.”

Daniels smirks as she looks at celebratory tweets she sent on March 30, 2023, the day Trump was criminally indicted for the first time. She posted about drinking champagne and selling “Team Stormy” merchandise.

This theme has been hit before but it’s worth noting that a defense lawyer for Donald Trump, one of the world’s great vendors of branded products, is trying to discredit Daniels for selling her “merch” in the wake of Trump’s indictment.

So many of Stormy Daniels’s retorts are versions of “so did Trump.” He calls her “horseface,” so why can’t she call him an “orange turd”? He sells his merchandise, so why can’t she sell hers?

Stormy Daniels is continuing to seek to avoid being caught in a contradiction, taking issue with Susan Necheles’s individual word choices. The defense posted a tweet in which Daniels called Trump an “orange turd,” and Daniels, several times, refused to say that she was talking about Trump. Eventually, Necheles said, “you don’t want to admit that you meant President Trump.” “Oh, I absolutely meant…Mr. Trump,” Daniels said, pausing to avoid calling the defendant “president” as his lawyers do.

We saw Trump’s social media posts used against him repeatedly in this trial. The defense is focusing closely now on Daniels’s past statements. And given Michael Cohen’s own social media use, we can assume this is a preview of what we will see when he is cross-examined.

It’s fascinating to watch Stormy Daniels take a page from the Trumpian playbook and say that she is allowed to punch back at social media jousts from her adversaries.

If they want to make fun of me, then I can make fun of them, Daniels says as she explains why she responded to a tweet attacking her by calling Trump an “orange turd.”

Necheles has been working hard to show the jury how much Daniels hates Trump and is prejudiced against him. She has cited numerous examples of Daniels mocking Trump using schoolyard insults.

Watching Susan Necheles attempt to pull Stormy Daniels apart, I am reminded of a point we made in coverage about Trump not long ago. His goal is not to make people think he’s pure so much as his goal is to suggest his antagonists are all impure.

Necheles takes an odd turn by trying to hammer Daniels for having a sexual relationship with a camera operator on her documentary.

The defense’s playbook is very clear: Portray Daniels as a money-grubbing, sleazy, dishonest operator who tried to use Trump to get fame and riches from the anti-Trump resistance. Every aspect of her questioning hits at one of these themes.

This is similar to the arguments used by Trump’s lawyers in his trial over E. Jean Carroll's defamation suit: that people who opposed Trump had perverse financial incentives.

Susan Necheles has been relentless in painting Stormy Daniels as doing all of this — the N.D.A., the media appearances, her book, a strip club tour — to make money. There is, of course, a small irony in the fact that Trump himself has always lauded the pursuit of money, including writing a book called “How to Get Rich,” among others.

Necheles has now brought up on screen an advertisement for an event from Daniels's strip club tour. The title: “Make America Horny Again.” Daniels claims that she “hated” that tagline.

Stormy Daniels, at the beginning of cross, took issue with very small word choices Susan Necheles was making, including the idea that she had undergone “mock” cross-examination to prepare for this. Daniels took issue with the word mock. Here, in the early going, she’s also seeking to snipe at Necheles’s word choices, as she seeks to avoid losing a round to the defense lawyer, arguing about whether or not she did in fact accept money to keep silent and insisting she wanted her story out. But she’s in a tough spot: at the end of the day, she was paid nearly $100,000 after her representatives took their cuts and her story did not get out in 2016, when she was paid.

Susan Necheles is pushing Stormy Daniels about how, by 2018, even though she had said she wouldn’t discuss this “supposed” story, she decided she wanted to “publicly” say she had sex with Trump. No, Daniels replies: “Nobody would ever want to” say that publicly.

As a side note, Necheles is the most seasoned trial defense lawyer on the Trump team. But she has been literally pushed to the end of the table over and over by the lead lawyer on the case, Todd Blanche. She is demonstrating her experience in this format during this very high-stakes cross-examination.

Necheles gets Daniels to confirm that her book contract — to sell her story — was valued at $800,000. She continues to frame this as a story of financial exploitation.

The defense is now showing a statement that was released in January 2018, in which Daniels said that she did not have an affair with Trump. But Necheles did something clever, changing the wording to suggest she denied having sex with Trump — and Daniels agreed, not splitting hairs about the wording here. The Trump team has relied on this statement, which Daniels later rescinded, a lot — Trump posted on social as the trial was getting underway that the statement had been “JUST FOUND,” which led the judge to hold him in contempt for violating his gag order.

Much of what has been discussed in cross-examination today is not new to the jury — the 2016 non-disclosure agreement, the 2018 denials by Daniels — whereas Tuesday’s testimony, with sometimes explicit mentions of the alleged sexual encounter, provided mostly new information.

The jurors just heard an audio recording of Keith Davidson, Stormy Daniels’s former lawyer, telling Michael Cohen that she was desperate for the money and was panicked that her leverage to get it would disappear after the 2016 election because she expected Trump to lose. Davidson describes hearing Daniels say this to him on the phone, but Daniels denied it to the court shortly after the tape was played.

The main goal of the defense’s questioning of Daniels this morning seems to be to establish for the jury that she was motivated by money above all else and won’t admit it.

What’s interesting about this defense strategy is that Daniels is, of course, not on trial here. While the issue of her truthfulness about her motives in selling her story goes to the larger question of her credibility about things like, say, her sexual encounter with Trump, Trump’s own motives in seeking to silence Daniels’s story about that encounter are much more central to the charges in this case.

Stormy Daniels is pushing back on Susan Necheles, taking little the lawyer says at face value. “Show me where I said that,” Daniels just said, forcing the defense to produce exhibits to back up their allegations.

Necheles had pulled up the wrong transcript and audio snippet to try to illustrate that Daniels had called her lawyer weak-willed — she used another impolite term — in the negotiations over the 2016 deal with Michael Cohen. When the right tape and transcript is found, her voice is not on the tape; it is Cohen and Keith Davidson, her lawyer at the time.

We are hearing that Stormy Daniels was in conversation with reporters — multiple reporters, including Jacob Weisberg of Slate, she says — about the possibility of selling her story before the election. And the defense is seeking to use that information to show that Daniels was using her story to threaten Trump.

The defense, as it did with Keith Davidson, Daniels's former lawyer, is trying to paint Daniels as not only a liar, but as an extortionist, saying that she was telling Weisberg, that she either wanted money or she wanted to hurt Trump politically. Susan Necheles, Trump's lawyer, puts a finer point on it, saying “You were threatening to try to hurt” Trump “if he didn’t give you money.” “False,” Daniels replies.

On Tuesday, Daniels said that she spoke with Weisberg during a period when her deal with Michael Cohen seemed like it would not go through. Today, she made a similar but finer point, saying the interview with Weisberg was almost like an insurance policy to make certain her story would get out if the non-disclosure agreement collapsed.

 

Trump has now had his eyes closed for several minutes, with his chin jutting out.

Susan Necheles asks Stormy Daniels why she talked to Jacob Weisberg, a Slate reporter, about her account, and then stopped. She implies that Daniels didn't go ahead with an interview because she wasn't going to be paid for it. Daniels is presenting as defiant on day two of her testimony, but more controlled.

For example, instead of denying an accusation from Necheles outright, Daniels said: “I don’t know. Can you remind me?” This is an acknowledgment that Necheles might have evidence of what she’s talking about, namely Daniels seeking money from a journalist for her story.

Susan Necheles, the defense lawyer, begins the questioning by saying that in 2011, Daniels denied having had sex with Trump. The prosecution objects and the judge instructs Daniels not to answer. Necheles moves on, saying that Daniels changed her account in 2016, when she was trying to sell her story.

In past appearances I’ve seen Necheles ask questions she knows will prompt objections. She's aware, as are many courtroom veterans, that just because something is stricken from the record, it doesn’t mean the jury didn’t hear it. Indeed, sometimes jurors pay more attention then.

Necheles presses Daniels, asking if she wanted money from Trump. “No,” Daniels says. “I never asked for money from anyone in particular, I asked for money to tell my story,” she says. “That’s what you were asking in 2016, was for money, to be able to tell your story?” Necheles pushes on. Daniels said on Tuesday that initially, she wasn’t interested in money.

Necheles asks the obvious question. “That was your choice, right?” she says, of Daniels accepting money for silence. Daniels fights back, but says she accepted an offer” because she was “running out of time.” She's referring to the fact that the 2016 presidential election was quickly approaching.

The people call Stormy Daniels back to the stand.

We start, before the witness, with the prosecution asking that the defense be precluded from asking Stormy Daniels whether she was arrested. The judge agrees with the prosecutors, saying that “anybody can be arrested” and that it “doesn’t prove anything.”

Trump addressed pool reporters and cameras in the hallways for 5 minutes before entering the courtroom. “I think you’ll see some very interesting things today,” Trump told them.

The judge is on the bench and we are set to begin.

Trump has entered the courtroom, wearing a navy jacket.

Joining him today are Senator Rick Scott of Florida and Trump's friend Steve Witkoff, a real-estate investor.

Trump is amiably chatting with Todd Blanche, one of his lawyers, who is laughing and smiling.

 

The prosecutors have arrived, with their boxes of documents. Susan Hoffinger, who questioned Stormy Daniels, just removed a white binder from her bag. A very tense day for the prosecution coming up, as they begin the day seated, while cross-examination continues.

I'll be curious to see how the defense approaches the ongoing cross-examination of Daniels today. Tuesday’s cross was combative in the extreme, with seemingly open hostility between the witness and Susan Necheles, who handled the questioning on behalf of Trump. Both Daniels and Necheles had yesterday off from court, and may have had time to reflect on their approaches to this high-stakes day.

Good morning from the Manhattan Criminal Courthouse, where we are preparing for a second day of testimony from Stormy Daniels in Donald Trump’s criminal trial.

She took the witness stand on Tuesday, and the testimony lived up to what is now her legal first name: It was tempestuous in the room, with an alternately anxious and defiant witness and what seemed to be a very angry former president.

She testified about having had sex with him — an encounter he denies — and was confronted by the defense lawyers who sought to portray her as a liar during cross-examination. We’ll resume today at 9:30, with cross-examination set to continue.

Given that reporters knew Daniels is coming back for more cross-examination, the waiting line for the press was longer than we’ve seen since the trial's opening statements.

The line for the public was as long as I have seen it. A fellow near the front said he arrived at 3 a.m. to secure a seat to see the rest of Stormy Daniels’s testimony.

Edited May 9 by Francisco 2.0

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Meanwhile, outside the courthouse (from the NYTimes update feed):

As an antidote to the intensity inside the courthouse on Thursday morning, toymakers turned out early with their takes on the defendant.

Rose Brennan, 63, of Bernardsville, N.J., stood in line for the overflow room with her left hand inside Donald J. Puppet. Made of an orange athletic sock with black button eyes and yellow yarn hair, Ms. Brennan, who retired from the software industry, made her creation say, “You’re the puppet!”

“He wanted to come and support his brother puppet,” Ms. Brennan said.

A few feet away sat Guy Jacobson, 60, a former lawyer who lives in Manhattan. With him was a stuffed orange pig with a red tie.

“This is one is cuter, less fat, more intelligent, and doesn’t talk so much,” Mr. Jacobson said. “And it doesn’t stink.”

The Trump toys outnumbered the visible Trump supporters outside the courthouse as the former president's motorcade drove by. There was a single woman in a MAGA hat.

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39 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

 

But the thing is....he didn't.  He gave her a short, pathetic, mushroom-dicked experience.  He's laughably pathetic at everything he does, including fucking.

[South Austin 52454]

41 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

 

"He may have porked her, Russ.  Just eat."

[Beantown Express 2.0 6559]

45 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

 

Sadly, half the country that watches this shit is now saying to themselves, “he is a sex god and porn stars want to have sex with him which is my dream also so we should definitely elect him again to be President”.  

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13 hours ago, BamaATL said:

Nothing gets the ladies going quite like a little "Fuck Martinez"

Shit I remember that song and the backstory. 

[Nivek 16923]

49 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

 

Remember, people think this is a NEWS channel.  

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51 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

 

Maybe she screwed the brains out of him. That might explain why he seems so brainless. 

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3 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Maybe she screwed the brains out of him. That might explain why he seems so brainless. 

 

According to her testimony, she laid their, wordless, and felt as if she blacked out.  The implication that he appears to have taken no notice of this, speaks volume to what he apparently is accustomed to in such a scenario.

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Seeing people on here who still support Joe Biden 🤮🤮🤮

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3 minutes ago, HillCountryBevo said:

Seeing people on here who still support Joe Biden 🤮🤮🤮

I am curious.  Why shouldn't someone support Biden and/or why should they support Donald Trump?  What are your criteria?

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5 minutes ago, dcbc said:

 

According to her testimony, she laid their, wordless, and felt as if she blacked out.  The implication that he appears to have taken no notice of this, speaks volume to what he apparently is accustomed to in such a scenario.

Pulled out the jammy and killed the punani
And my jimmy runs deep, so deep
So deep put her butt to sleep...   (What MAGA thinks they hear)

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12 minutes ago, HillCountryBevo said:

Seeing people on here who still support Joe Biden 🤮🤮🤮

Sarcasm or a piece of shit?

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5 minutes ago, Goredho said:

I am curious.  Why shouldn't someone support Biden and/or why should they support Donald Trump?  What are your criteria?

I’m gonna sound elementary here because I’m at work so I’ll dumb it down

Joe Biden is a dementia puppet and doesn’t have a clue how to handle foreign affairs or negotiations with other countries.  He is not a business man and doesn’t even have a backbone and can’t even speak a coherent sentence without being drugged up

Trump may have skeletons in closet, but hell everyone does. He is a business man and wants the best for our country and cost of living will improve as well as foreign affairs.

my landlord (hardcore liberal) voted for Joe Biden and 2 years later he was bitching and wants to move out of this country 🤣 other day he mentions climate change and how he’s glad he’s gonna be dead in 20 years. I got up and said buddy there’s much more to worry about right now than the fucking weather 

There’s gonna be a civil war in our country one way or other 

1 minute ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Sarcasm or a piece of shit?

I’m a piece of shit, and you’re a cuck liberal who enjoys living off government probably 

[DigglerontheHoof 21179]

Ah, so you're an idiotic, piece of shit.  Carry on, penis wrinkle. 

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And here come the trolls! 

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I think my favorite part was how Trump wants the best for our country.

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Shit I remember that song and the backstory. 

Plus Martinez wife known to suck a mean dick.

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1 minute ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Ah, so you're an idiotic, piece of shit.  Carry on, penis wrinkle. 

One of the reasons I stopped supporting burnt ends or don’t show up to tailgates. Idiots like you. Keep Austin liberal tho!! 

Just now, Red Five said:

I think my favorite part was how Trump wants the best for our country.

Does Joe Biden? Fuck no. Wake up you fucking dumbass and stop reading your fake liberal media outlets 

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Just now, HillCountryBevo said:

One of the reasons I stopped supporting burnt ends or don’t show up to tailgates. Idiots like you. Keep Austin liberal tho!! 

I don't know why an aggy would support BEs, to begin with; of course, your ilk isn't known for being smart.  

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1 minute ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

I don't know why an aggy would support BEs, to begin with; of course, your ilk isn't known for being smart.  

I asked my old man one day. What’s worse, debating a liberal or an aggy?

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2 minutes ago, HillCountryBevo said:

I’m gonna sound elementary here because I’m at work so I’ll dumb it down

Joe Biden is a dementia puppet and doesn’t have a clue how to handle foreign affairs or negotiations with other countries.  He is not a business man and doesn’t even have a backbone and can’t even speak a coherent sentence without being drugged up

Trump may have skeletons in closet, but hell everyone does. He is a business man and wants the best for our country and cost of living will improve as well as foreign affairs.

my landlord (hardcore liberal) voted for Joe Biden and 2 years later he was bitching and wants to move out of this country 🤣 other day he mentions climate change and how he’s glad he’s gonna be dead in 20 years. I got up and said buddy there’s much more to worry about right now than the fucking weather 

There’s gonna be a civil war in our country one way or other 

Joe Biden is definitely old and sometimes misspeaks.  That's true for Trump, too.  The cost of living will go down when inflation eases and the fed cuts interest rates, neither of which are under the control of Biden or Trump.  I don't see how we had a better world posture with Trump in office.  Certainly he weakened ties with our traditional allies.  You seem to weigh business experience far more than political experience.  Trump is a serial business failure that has declared bankruptcy 6 times.  Trump is also morally bankrupt and already attempted to seize control of the country one through violence and intimidation on January 6th, 2020.  I have no doubt he'll attempt that or worse again, and if he winds up in the White House, conduct himself as a despot, so you may be right about that civil war.

[Js1 85276]

Only fucking idiots think you can run the federal government like a business. You can’t. And you shouldn’t. 

[SmokeyTheBear 5562]

"Cuck liberal"

Love it

Waiting for the "soy boy" to be dropped soon while this sock wears his new trump branded diapers.  

[DixonHur 11293]

Just now, Js1 said:

Only fucking idiots think you can run the federal government like a business. You can’t. And you shouldn’t. 

Especially like one of Trump's businesses.

[HillCountryBevo 231]

2 minutes ago, Goredho said:

Joe Biden is definitely old and sometimes misspeaks.  That's true for Trump, too.  The cost of living will go down when inflation eases and the fed cuts interest rates, neither of which are under the control of Biden or Trump.  I don't see how we had a better world posture with Trump in office.  Certainly he weakened ties with our traditional allies.  You seem to weigh business experience far more than political experience.  Trump is a serial business failure that has declared bankruptcy 6 times.  Trump is also morally bankrupt and already attempted to seize control of the country one through violence and intimidation on January 6th, 2020.  I have no doubt he'll attempt that or worse again, and if he winds up in the White House, conduct himself as a despot, so you may be right about that civil war.

Ahhh the January 6 topic

please tell me how Biden got 80 million votes?

[Js1 85276]

1 minute ago, SmokeyTheBear said:

"Cuck liberal"

Love it

Waiting for the "soy boy" to be dropped soon while this sock wears his new trump branded diapers.  

I’m a soy boy. That’s someone who drinks soy milk, right!?

[Red Five 40845]

Chase this fucking idiot off so we can go back to talking about how Trump is on trial for paying hush money to a porn star so he could win a presidential election.

[HillCountryBevo 231]

2 minutes ago, SmokeyTheBear said:

"Cuck liberal"

Love it

Waiting for the "soy boy" to be dropped soon while this sock wears his new trump branded diapers.  

Are you in an illegal living in new york typing this off your prepaid phone? Impressive

Edited May 9 by HillCountryBevo

[locodos 5387]

You guys are getting off topic.  The porn star Trump cheated on his wife with is testifying.   

Can we please get back to talking about cars, tape decks, and highschool bang tunes?

Thanks in advance

[SmokeyTheBear 5562]

Just now, HillCountryBevo said:

Are you in a illegal living in new your typing this off your prepaid phone?

Are you actually an American citizen who knows proper grammar?

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

19 minutes ago, HillCountryBevo said:

Trump may have skeletons in closet, but hell everyone does.

who doesn't have a little treason in their past?

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13575]

18 minutes ago, HillCountryBevo said:

Joe Biden is a dementia puppet and doesn’t have a clue how to handle foreign affairs or negotiations with other countries.  

 

[HillCountryBevo 231]

1 minute ago, Red Five said:

Chase this fucking idiot off so we can go back to talking about how Trump is on trial for paying hush money to a porn star so he could win a presidential election.

Yes, let this case be the center of Americas attention while thousands of illegals are coming into our country and lots of other important shit are happening. Typical fucking liberal. Divert real shit that’s happening in America to focus on stupid shit that’s happening to the republican candidate so he doesn’t win the election when the guy in office is a bigger piece of shit

[Goredho 17396]

Just now, HillCountryBevo said:

Ahhh the January 6 topic

please tell me how Biden got 80 million votes?

By people being disgusted with Donald Trump.  Please tell me how Biden didn't?  Are you in Mike Lindell's inner circle and have seen the evidence of voter fraud that cost Donald Trump the election?  Because 62 law suits were brought challenging the 2020 election results and there was no evidence presented to substantiate those claims:

Nearly all the suits were dismissed or dropped due to lack of evidence or lack of standing,^[3] including 30 lawsuits that were dismissed by the judge after a hearing on the merits.^[4] Among the judges who dismissed the lawsuits were some appointed by Trump himself.^[5] Judges, lawyers, and other observers described the suits as "frivolous"^[6] and "without merit".^[7][8] In one instance, the Trump campaign and other groups seeking his reelection collectively lost multiple cases in six states on a single day.^[9] Only one ruling was initially in Trump's favor: the timing within which first-time Pennsylvania voters must provide proper identification if they wanted to "cure" their ballots. This ruling affected very few votes,^[10]and it was later overturned by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court.^[11]

Trump, his attorneys, and his supporters falsely^[12] asserted widespread election fraud in public statements, but few such assertions were made in court.^[13] Every state except Wisconsin^[14] met the December 8 statutory "safe harbor" deadline to resolve disputes and certify voting results. The Trump legal team had said it would not consider this election certification deadline as the expiration date for its litigation of the election results.^[15][16][17] Three days after it was filed by Texas attorney general Ken Paxton, the U.S. Supreme Court on December 11 declined to hear a case supported by Trump and his Republican allies asking for electoral votes in four states to be rejected.^[18]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-election_lawsuits_related_to_the_2020_U.S._presidential_election

So given all that, why do you believe the election was stolen?

[GhostOfTomJoad 9323]

Just ignore the obvious troll, for fuck's sake.

[HillCountryBevo 231]

Imagine your basis of hating Trump is because of mean tweets, January 6 and “hush money” trial all because liberal media is crooked. Fuck right off. This is my last post in this forum 

dumb fucking liberals. Enjoy the increased inflation and WW3 if Biden gets elected again!! 

Just now, GhostOfTomJoad said:

Just ignore the obvious troll, for fuck's sake.

I’m not a troll. I’m a patriot and want the best for this country. Stupid fuck. 

[DigglerontheHoof 21179]

Buh-bye, snowflake.

[HillCountryBevo 231]

Just now, DigglerontheHoof said:

Buh-bye, snowflake.

Bye bitch. Enjoy living in literal hell if your man Biden is re elected

[RomaVicta 29902]

23 minutes ago, HillCountryBevo said:

One of the reasons I stopped supporting burnt ends or don’t show up to tailgates. Idiots like you. Keep Austin liberal tho!! 

Hell of a sentence there. You are missed at the tailgates or anywhere else anywhere else you don't show up.

11 minutes ago, HillCountryBevo said:

Ahhh the January 6 topic

please tell me how Biden got 80 million votes?

Liar. Troll. Negged.

[MrBig 5384]

Just now, HillCountryBevo said:

Bye bitch. Enjoy living in literal hell if your man Biden is re elected

[DigglerontheHoof 21179]

I thought you were “done”, you little twat waffle.

[safe sex 11697]

"literal hell" lmao

Sucks that the Hill Country is simultaneously one of the most beautiful regions in Texas while filled to the brim with bigotry and right -wing hate

[Goredho 17396]

3 minutes ago, GhostOfTomJoad said:

Just ignore the obvious troll, for fuck's sake.

No. I'm going to confront him with facts, if for no other reason than to chronicle that the bullshit is in fact bullshit.