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[freyguy 4305]

Wonderful waste of effort.  Either a big pussy move, or never had much against him in the first place.  What a world...

[Frank Drebin 5665]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

Name a criminal law you think he's broken on connection with the prosecution.  Go head.  Just one.

Don't know.  But RICO is as broad as hell when the feds decide they want it to be and use their full powers to investigate.  So is wire fraud.  So is mail fraud.  I have seen some estimates that the average person commits three felonies a day.

Edited Monday at 09:20 PM by Frank Drebin

[Satchel 6949]

This whole sad saga has me thinking about why preservers of the status quo are unalterably opposed to what might be learned from an examination of CRT. The scholarly framework holds that racism goes far beyond just individually held prejudices, and that it is in fact a systemic race and class phenomenon woven into the laws and institutions of this nation. Those who craft the laws and define the parameters in which institutions exist and operate, do so to ensure that results redound to their benefit. 
No poor or minority person in this country could ever get away with what Trump is on the verge of getting away with, and that’s because laws and institutions generally don’t exist to help them.

Edited Monday at 09:31 PM by Satchel

[Brisketexan 105465]

23 minutes ago, freyguy said:

Wonderful waste of effort.  Either a big pussy move, or never had much against him in the first place.  What a world...

He had to drop it.  DOJ policy is no prosecutions against sitting presidents, and in two months, Trump will be a sitting president.

[Chad Fuck 17822]

Just think of all the state secrets that fucking guy is going to unclassify and walk out with on his way out the door this time.  If he ever walks out the door.  He'll probalby just declassify them, and start selling them to the highest bidder from theWhite House lawn, like foreclosure day down at the county courthouse.  Becuase SCOTUS says immunity.  

What a piece of shit.  

And the drebins of the world are right there in the sewer with him, because team over country!

Gallows are too merciful for such people.  

OH well, hope we beat aggy.  

[Foosters 17889]

23 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

Don't know.  But RICO is as broad as hell when the feds decide they want it to be and use their full powers to investigate.  So is wire fraud.  So is mail fraud.  I have seen some estimates that the average person commits three felonies a day.

yeah, we all know that the republicans had to adopt the "Everyone is always committing multiple felonies every day!" position once their God-King was indicted. 

go sell that shit somewhere else, Johnny.

[Frank Drebin 5665]

Democrats would have been way better off had they just stuck with a more reasonable message regarding the 2020 election drama and other Trump stuff. If they’d have kept it to simply re-iterating that Trump is claiming fraud with no tangible proof…and showing how that fits his unpredictable and narcissistic personality, it would resonated with more people. Instead, like democrats these days do, they went off the deep-end with the hysterics about “democracy is at stake!” , “Trump will be a dictator!”, “He wants to overthrow the government!” , “Reeeeeee!!!”

Normal, reasonable people just roll their eyes at that stuff.  But this board is full of reeeeeeeeeee!!

[miguelito 11332]

So everyone commits felonies, but Smith had nothing on Trump.

[Foosters 17889]

26 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

 “He wants to overthrow the government!” , “Reeeeeee!!!”

Normal, reasonable people just roll their eyes at that stuff.  But this board is full of reeeeeeeeeee!!

Interesting. Not sure how anyone can view the actions of Trump and his admin between 11/6/20 - 1/6/21 and NOT come to the conclusion that he was trying to illegally install himself as the president, but you've had 4 years to rationalize that one, so whatever you gotta do, I guess.

[Frank Drebin 5665]

 

If it really was such a slam dunk case, why didn’t they file it years ago?

It’s almost like they wanted this trial to occur as close to the election as possible. Maybe, just maybe it was all about optics pre-election and never about an actual conviction.

[Biff Tannen 45751]

5 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

 

If it really was such a slam dunk case, why didn’t they file it years ago?

It’s almost like they wanted this trial to occur as close to the election as possible. Maybe, just maybe it was all about optics pre-election and never about an actual conviction.

Or maybe you’re a boot licking simp. 

[Chad Fuck 17822]

1 minute ago, Biff Tannen said:

Or maybe you’re a boot licking simp. 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13530]

Curious as to whether Jack Smith or Garland could decide to release all of the records to the public or at least the House and Senate so that their evidence is available for historic purposes. Or they can leave them behind for Pam Bondi to shred.

With the charges dropped does the presiding judge still have control of the case? If Smith/Garland released the evidence, would they be breaking any laws? I'm assuming they would redact any classified info.

[wildcat09 29444]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

He had to drop it.  DOJ policy is no prosecutions against sitting presidents, and in two months, Trump will be a sitting president.

He doesn't have to drop it. Trump isn't president today. He should've kept prosecuting and made Trump fire him and order the prosecutions to be shut down once he took office. 

[4th&Five 41608]

 

[Brisketexan 105465]

Just now, wildcat09 said:

He should've kept prosecuting and made Trump fire him and order the prosecutions to be shut down once he took office. 

No.  He has followed DOJ policy.  He is obligated to keep doing so.  The policy is that sitting presidents are not prosecuted.  And as an officer of the court, he has an obligation to the court and its docket to treat cases in an orderly fashion.

[Foosters 17889]

28 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

 

If it really was such a slam dunk case, why didn’t they file it years ago?

It’s almost like they wanted this trial to occur as close to the election as possible. Maybe, just maybe it was all about optics pre-election and never about an actual conviction.

Imagine Obama and Holder pulling the below in 2012 had Romney eked out a win. You'd have been calling for the public hanging of all involved. You know it. I know it. Everyone here knows it.

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Dr. Eastman claims that the 2020 presidential election was “one of the most controversial in American history.” Despite the lack of evidence of election tampering, “a significant portion of the population came to believe the election was tainted by fraud, disregard of state election law, misconduct by election officials and other factors.” In the months after the election, President Trump and Dr. Eastman helped foster those public beliefs and encouraged state legislators to question the election results.

Dr. Eastman testified before and met with “state legislators[] to advise them of their constitutional authority . . . to direct the ‘manner’ of choosing presidential electors.” Relying on public interviews with attendees, the Select Committee states that on January 2, 2021, President Trump and Dr. Eastman hosted a briefing urging several hundred state legislators from states won by President Biden to “decertify” electors. President Trump also made personal appeals to state officials. On January 2, he called Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger to discuss allegations of election fraud. During the call, President Trump repeatedly claimed it was impossible for him to have lost the popular vote in Georgia, and repeatedly mentioned his “current margin [of] only 11,779” votes. He explained to Secretary Raffensperger that he did not care about specific fraud numbers as long as he won, “because what’s the difference between winning the election by two votes and winning it by half a million votes[?]”  When Secretary Raffensperger pushed back against these requests, the President warned of public anger and threatened criminal consequences. The President interspersed the conversation with specific fraud claims—dead people voting, absentee ballot forgeries, trucks ferrying illegal ballots, and machines stuffed with “unvoted” ballots. Mr. Raffensperger debunked the allegations “point by point” and explained that “the data you have is wrong;” however, President Trump still told him, “I just want to find 11,780 votes.”

The next day, President Trump attempted to elevate Jeffrey Clark to Acting Attorney General, based on Mr. Clark’s statements that he would write a letter to contested states saying that the election may have been stolen and urging them to decertify electors. The White House Counsel described Mr. Clark’s proposed letter as a “murder-suicide pact” that would “damage everyone who touches it” and commented “we should have nothing to do with that letter.” President Trump eventually did not promote Mr. Clark after multiple high-ranking members of the Department of Justice threatened mass resignations that would leave the Department a “graveyard.”

In the months following the election, numerous credible sources–from the President’s inner circle to agency leadership to statisticians–informed President Trump and Dr. Eastman that there was no evidence of election fraud. One week after the election, the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency declared “[t]he November 3rd election [] the most secure in American history” and found “no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised.” An internal Trump Campaign memo concluded in November that fraud claims related to Dominion voting machines were baseless. In early December, Attorney General Barr publicly stated there was no evidence of fraud, and on December 27, Deputy Attorney General Donoghue privately told President Trump that after “dozens of investigations, hundreds of interviews,” the Department of Justice had concluded that “the major allegations [of election fraud] are not supported by the evidence developed.”

Still, President Trump repeatedly urged that “the Department [of Justice] should publicly say that the election is corrupt or suspect or not reliable.” By early January, more than sixty court cases alleging fraud had been dismissed for lack of evidence or lack of standing.

2. Plan to disrupt electoral count

In response to alleged fraud, Dr. Eastman researched and planned a strategy for President Trump to win the election. Just after Christmas, Dr. Eastman wrote a now-public two page memo proposing that Vice President Pence refuse to count certified electoral votes from states contested by the Trump campaign: Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. The memo outlines the two ways in which Dr. Eastman’s plan ensures “President Trump is re-elected.” If Vice President Pence refused to count electoral votes from all seven contested states, President Trump would win 232 votes to 222. Alternatively, if Congress claimed that a candidate could not win without reaching 270 votes, Vice President Pence could send the election to the Republican-majority House of Representatives, which would then elect President Trump. The memo emphasizes that “[t]he main thing here is that Pence should do this without asking for permission – either from a vote of the joint session or from the Court.” On January 3, 2021, Dr. Eastman drafted a six-page memo expanding on his plan and analysis, which he later disclosed to the media. This memo “war gam[ed]” four potential scenarios for January 6, only some of which would lead to President Trump winning reelection. Claiming that “[t]he stakes could not be higher,” Dr. Eastman concludes his memo stating that his plan is “BOLD, Certainly. But this Election was Stolen by a strategic Democrat plan to systematically flout existing election laws for partisan advantage; we’re no longer playing by Queensbury Rules.”

On January 4, President Trump and Dr. Eastman invited Vice President Pence, the Vice President’s counsel Greg Jacob, and the Vice President’s Chief of Staff Marc Short to the Oval Office to discuss Dr. Eastman’s memo. Dr. Eastman presented only two courses of action for the Vice President on January 6: to reject electors or delay the count. During that meeting, Vice President Pence consistently held that he did not possess the authority to carry out Dr. Eastman’s proposal. The Vice President’s counsel and chief of staff were then directed to meet separately with Dr. Eastman the next day to review materials in support of his plan. Dr. Eastman opened the meeting on January 5 bluntly: “I’m here asking you to reject the electors.” Vice President’s counsel Greg Jacob and Dr. Eastman spent the majority of the meeting in a Socratic debate on the merits of the memo’s legal arguments. Over the course of their discussion, Dr. Eastman’s focus pivoted from requesting Vice President Pence reject the electors to asking him to delay the count, which he presented as more “palatable.” Ultimately, Dr. Eastman conceded that his argument was contrary to consistent historical practice, would likely be unanimously rejected by the Supreme Court, and violated the Electoral Count Act on four separate grounds. Despite receiving pushback, President Trump and Dr. Eastman continued to urge Vice President Pence to carry out the plan.

At 1:00 am on January 6, President Trump tweeted, “If Vice President @Mike_Pence comes through for us, we will win the Presidency . . . Mike can send it back!” At 8:17 a.m., the President tweeted again, “States want to correct their votes . . . All Mike Pence has to do is send them back to the States, AND WE WIN. Do it Mike, this is a time for extreme courage!” Following his tweets, President Trump placed two calls to Vice President Pence directly. After not being able to connect with the Vice President around 9:00 am, they spoke at approximately 11:20 am. Vice President Pence’s National Security Advisor, General Keith Kellogg, Jr., was present and described President Trump as berating the Vice President for “not [being] tough enough to make the call” to delay or reject electoral votes.

 3. Attack on the Capitol

On January 6, 2021, tens of thousands of people gathered outside the White House to protest the lawful transition of power from President Trump to President Joseph Biden. Both Dr. Eastman and President Trump gave speeches to relay the plan not just to the thousands gathered at the Ellipse but also to those watching at home. President Trump’s personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, introduced Dr. Eastman before he spoke as the “professor” who would “explain . . . what happened last night, how they cheated, and how it was exactly the same as what they did on November 3.” Dr. Eastman declared to the crowd: And all we are demanding of Vice President Pence is this afternoon at 1:00 he let the legislators of the state look into this so we get to the bottom of it, and the American people know whether we have control of the direction of our government, or not. We no longer live in a self-governing republic if we can’t get the answer to this question. This is bigger than President Trump. It is a very essence of our republican form of government, and it has to be done. And anybody that is not willing to stand up to do it, does not deserve to be in the office. It is that simple." 

President Trump then took the podium. He began with praise for Dr. Eastman and his plan to have Vice President Pence disrupt the count: Thank you very much, John. . . . John is one of the most brilliant lawyers in the country, and he looked at this and he said, “What an absolute disgrace that this can be happening to our Constitution.” . . . Because if Mike Pence does the right thing, we win the election. All he has to do, all this is, this is from the number one, or certainly one of the top, Constitutional lawyers in our country. He has the absolute right to do it. Before the Joint Session of Congress began, Vice President Pence publicly rejected President Trump and Dr. Eastman’s plan: “It is my considered judgment that my oath to support and defend the Constitution constrains me from claiming unilateral authority to determine which electoral votes should be counted and which should not.” At 1:00 pm, members of Congress began the Joint Session as required by the Twelfth Amendment and the Electoral Count Act. Soon after, President Trump finished his speech by urging his supporters to walk with him to the Capitol:

"Now, it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy. And after this, we’re going to walk down, and I’ll be there with you, we’re going to walk down, we’re going to walk down. . . . [W]e’re going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones because the strong ones don’t need any of our help. We’re going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country. So let’s walk down Pennsylvania Avenue."

After President Trump’s speech, several hundred protesters left the rally and stormed the Capitol building. As the D.C. Circuit described it: Shortly after the speech, a large crowd of President Trump’s supporters—including some armed with weapons and wearing full tactical gear—marched to the Capitol and violently broke into the building to try and prevent Congress’s certification of the election results. The mob quickly overwhelmed law enforcement and scaled walls, smashed through barricades, and shattered windows to gain access to the interior of the Capitol. Police officers were attacked with chemical agents, beaten with flag poles and frozen water bottles, and crushed between doors and throngs of rioters.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.841840/gov.uscourts.cacd.841840.260.0.pdf

You either think the election was stolen and are too stupid to continue engaging with, or you approve of the above "lawfare" because it helps your side, and can be dismissed as a partisan troll. 

Edited Monday at 10:46 PM by Foosters

[wildcat09 29444]

It sure seems like a poster posting some 8chan school-shooter "REEEEEEEEEEE" shit should be grounds for a ban.  

[GenXer 3040]

14 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Curious as to whether Jack Smith or Garland could decide to release all of the records to the public or at least the House and Senate so that their evidence is available for historic purposes. Or they can leave them behind for Pam Bondi to shred.

With the charges dropped does the presiding judge still have control of the case? If Smith/Garland released the evidence, would they be breaking any laws? I'm assuming they would redact any classified info.

Biden can declassify. He’s above the law for 2 months.

[Chad Fuck 17822]

14 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Imagine Obama and Holder pulling the below in 2012 had Romney eked out a win. You'd have been calling for the public hanging of all involved. You know it. I know it. Everyone here knows it.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.841840/gov.uscourts.cacd.841840.260.0.pdf

You either think the election was stolen and are too stupid to continue engaging with, or you approve of the above "lawfare" because it helps your side, and can be dismissed as a partisan troll. 

Pretty sure the first couple boxes have been checked and we can jump right to this.

[Red Five 40964]

22 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

 

Four years. Just not enough time.

[Party_Taco 3785]

No.  He has followed DOJ policy.  He is obligated to keep doing so.  The policy is that sitting presidents are not prosecuted.  And as an officer of the court, he has an obligation to the court and its docket to treat cases in an orderly fashion.

Today I learned that a president-elect is considered “sitting” based on a memo…

[Brisketexan 105465]

26 minutes ago, Party_Taco said:

Today I learned that a president-elect is considered “sitting” based on a memo…

No, he's not.  But he WILL be, in less than 60 days.  And if you know that you are required to dismiss your case (per DOJ policy) in less than 60 days, you tell the court that.  That's what an officer of the court practicing in Federal Court is supposed to do.

[mchookem 16415]

1 hour ago, wildcat09 said:

It sure seems like a poster posting some 8chan school-shooter "REEEEEEEEEEE" shit should be grounds for a ban.  

plus he's the biggest fucking asshole on this site by a LOT. even posters that generally support his same 'team' think he's a hateful hypocritical dickhead.

he's the Ted Cruz of surly. 

[safe sex 11800]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

No, he's not.  But he WILL be, in less than 60 days.  And if you know that you are required to dismiss your case (per DOJ policy) in less than 60 days, you tell the court that.  That's what an officer of the court practicing in Federal Court is supposed to do.

Besides, wtf would be accomplished in 60 more days? They would just stall with more bullshit. It's taken two years just to get this far, and Trump has barely been in a court room for anything other than his New York felonies.

[aggie08 21561]

Pity people like Johnny. Just think how morally bankrupt Donald fucking Trump has made them over the past 9 years. 

Liz fucking Cheney isn't conservative enough.

Mark Miley and John McCain are traitors to this country.

Why can't you store the highest classification of documents in the bathroom of a golf resort?

Laws that affect our team don't really matter.

"Drain the swamp!"...unless it's billionaires buying off judges and filling out a cabinet with pay-to-play unqualified fucks and Fox News talking heads.

Just no back bone, no principles.

[TwiceHorn 31629]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

No, he's not.  But he WILL be, in less than 60 days.  And if you know that you are required to dismiss your case (per DOJ policy) in less than 60 days, you tell the court that.  That's what an officer of the court practicing in Federal Court is supposed to do.

It's more square-dealing than Trump deserves and in that sense, I guess, debatable.  But strictly from a lawyer perspective, it's the right thing to do.

[TwiceHorn 31629]

36 minutes ago, safe sex said:

Besides, wtf would be accomplished in 60 more days? They would just stall with more bullshit. It's taken two years just to get this far, and Trump has barely been in a court room for anything other than his New York felonies.

Yeah, that's kind of what it boils down to.  This is a waste of the court's time, if no one elses.  And courts are actually a fairly scarce public resource.

[TwiceHorn 31629]

2 hours ago, GenXer said:

Biden can declassify. He’s above the law for 2 months.

Court records aren't classified.  The decision to keep them sealed or public lies with the judge.

HOWEVER, evidence only gets filed in the court record in bits and pieces (small ones at that) until trial, at which time it all becomes public.

One kind of amusing thing, though, Smith had to put in most of his trial evidence in the motion to avoid immunity.  And that is already public record. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/read-the-newly-released-evidence-in-the-jan-6-case-against-trump

In one sense, that sucks for the prosecution, because they have to reveal nearly the entirety of their "hand" before trial.  But the defendant already has most of all of that evidence, in the usual case.

On the other hand, all that inculpatory evidence is revealed to the public before the defendant has any opportunity to rebut it.  In this particular case, that's delightful.  As if anyone read it.

[safe sex 11800]

5 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

And courts are actually a fairly scarce public resource.

This needs to be fixed. The court system should be as funded for its current and future needs as much as the DoD is. 

[TwiceHorn 31629]

And, the Mar A Lago case will proceed as against Walt Nauta and Carlos D'Oliveira, which will reveal more explicitly Trump's orders to hide documents from the government.

But, they'll probably plead out.  They could, however, issue a trial subpoena to Trump and in all likelihood that would be enforced, although he could still plead the Fifth.

[Frank Drebin 5665]

[Frank Drebin 5665]

2 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

It sure seems like a poster posting some 8chan school-shooter "REEEEEEEEEEE" shit should be grounds for a ban.  

Sorry I am hurting your feelings.  

[TwiceHorn 31629]

12 minutes ago, safe sex said:

This needs to be fixed. The court system should be as funded for its current and future needs as much as the DoD is. 

No argument from me.  It would be most interesting if trial dates were more freely available and rapidly scheduled (a first trial setting is often scheduled within a year, but no one realistically expects to meet it).

As things stand right now, a civil defendant can expect not to have to face a serious trial date for at least a couple of years in most courts in any case where much is at stake.  And you've seen what a criminal case can be like if the defendant is disinclined to plead.

There is some thought that in civil dispute resolution, the parties coming to a settlement is more economically efficient than trial.  Whether that's true or not, speeding the potential resolution (faster trial dates promote faster settlements and sometimes less expenditure on attorneys fees) would change the game considerably.

[Frank Drebin 5665]

1 hour ago, mchookem said:

plus he's the biggest fucking asshole on this site by a LOT. even posters that generally support his same 'team' think he's a hateful hypocritical dickhead.

he's the Ted Cruz of surly. 

This from the dumbfuck who admitted to suggesting to her suicidal niece that she buy a handgun.  
 

and I’m the only one who called you out on your dumbassery.  Tells you a lot about the dipshits who populate the cloak room.  

Edited Tuesday at 01:57 AM by Frank Drebin

[Scheiss Meister 8415]

19 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

And, the Mar A Lago case will proceed as against Walt Nauta and Carlos D'Oliveira, which will reveal more explicitly Trump's orders to hide documents from the government.

But, they'll probably plead out.  They could, however, issue a trial subpoena to Trump and in all likelihood that would be enforced, although he could still plead the Fifth.

Turnip's going to pardon them about 15 minutes after the inauguration to avoid all that shit.

[Burt 4093]

6 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Upon concluding an assignment as a Special Counsel, the Special Counsel must deliver up a report to the AG. https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/28/600.8

It's not going to make a shit because it's not going to include any information not already public record.

 

There wont be a report.

[Nivek 17003]

3 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

No.  He has followed DOJ policy.  He is obligated to keep doing so.  The policy is that sitting presidents are not prosecuted.  And as an officer of the court, he has an obligation to the court and its docket to treat cases in an orderly fashion.

Remember when Cocaine Mitch decided that norms didn't need to be followed sometimes.   I guess only some people need to keep doing that.  

[TwiceHorn 31629]

17 minutes ago, Burt said:

There wont be a report.

Oh I am quite sure there will be.  Smith goes by the rules.  What happens to the report after he submits it is a different story.

But, again, a report where indictments were brought isn't going to reveal much.  It is only of great significance when indictments are not brought.

[jimmyjazz 46303]

2 hours ago, aggie08 said:

Pity people like Johnny. Just think how morally bankrupt Donald fucking Trump has made them over the past 9 years. 

Johnny came out of the womb morally bankrupt.  Donald Trump simply gave him the courage to prove it to society.

[Willfully Horn 8066]

6 hours ago, Frank Drebin said:

Instead, like democrats these days do, they went off the deep-end with the hysterics about “democracy is at stake!” , “Trump will be a dictator!”, “He wants to overthrow the government!” , “Reeeeeee!!!”

Yeah, you might want to consider the published aims of Peter Thiel, and the New Right. They seek to institute what they call a monarchy. And, Thiel’s connection to coming administration, coupled with turnip’s comments about being a dictator for a day, (which is all a dictator needs to have a day two,) as well as turnip saying, in 2022 when he was still lying about the election: “Do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION? A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution,” is more than enough actual, factual, basis to make the claim you mock.
 

You chump.

 

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/04/inside-the-new-right-where-peter-thiel-is-placing-his-biggest-bets?srsltid=AfmBOorrPKZJc9DOkHFVxljR7s6cjytUaZYJViIDdLeQVxeSFruaKf7o

[Tonesky 962]

6 hours ago, GenXer said:

Biden can declassify. He’s above the law for 2 months.

But, Biden is a pussy who will prove his integrity by sacrificing his son….

[TwiceHorn 31629]

11 hours ago, Scheiss Meister said:

Turnip's going to pardon them about 15 minutes after the inauguration to avoid all that shit.

Probably right and that will be, objectively speaking, a corrupt act on his part.  Not as corrupt as pardoning himself or otherwise acting to terminate the prosecution, but corrupt.

Like it even makes a shit.

[TexArcher 38082]

Nothing a god-king does can be corrupt.  It is automatically right and good.

[TwiceHorn 31629]

I have seen a couple of suggestions that Smith should ask for a stay in the two federal cases, to resume prosecution after Trump leaves office.  Merchan apparently is doing that with the sentencing in the hush money case.

There is a big material difference between staying a post-trial sentencing for four years and staying an untried case for four years, namely, the trial.  In the NY case, the trial has occurred and the evidence therefore is fixed.

Staying an untried case for four years is something else entirely.  Memories fade, evidence is lost, people die or become incapacitated, including hopefully Trump.  The one thing it does offer, though, is to force Trump to act to dismiss the cases or pardon himself.

[Chad Fuck 17822]

I have seen a couple of suggestions that Smith should ask for a stay in the two federal cases, to resume prosecution after Trump leaves office.  Merchan apparently is doing that with the sentencing in the hush money case.
There is a big material difference between staying a post-trial sentencing for four years and staying an untried case for four years, namely, the trial.  In the NY case, the trial has occurred and the evidence therefore is fixed.
Staying an untried case for four years is something else entirely.  Memories fade, evidence is lost, people die or become incapacitated, including hopefully Trump.  The one thing it does offer, though, is to force Trump to act to dismiss the cases or pardon himself.

And what would prevent the new doj from coming in and asking for the stay to be lifted, and then ask for a dismissal with prejudice for - reasons? Nothing.

This is the best chance for anything to ever happen in this case (even though we all know nothing will ever happen).

[The Original Greaser Bob 2852]

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

Memories fade, evidence is lost, people die or become incapacitated, including hopefully Trump. 

I'd be happy to put on Trump's dying declaration as the sole piece of evidence.

[TwiceHorn 31629]

45 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

And what would prevent the new doj from coming in and asking for the stay to be lifted, and then ask for a dismissal with prejudice for - reasons? Nothing.

This is the best chance for anything to ever happen in this case (even though we all know nothing will ever happen).

Acknowledged.  It probably don't make a shit, but for historical purposes, at least, I do just quite like the idea of Trump dismissing prosecutions against himself.

[Fudge Nuggets 19229]

15 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

That's what an officer of the court practicing in Federal Court is supposed to do.

What he's supposed to do and what he should do are different things.