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52 minutes ago, Slacks said:

I am not a lawyer...

No shit?

[Gil Bang 26,251]

 

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So they're going to say they saw the document and can, without question, recall what exactly level of class it was... And they'll say 'I believe it said Top Secret' (they won't say they know for sure, because of they're wrong, it's potentially perjury.) 
And the cross examining defense lawyer is going to ask them what the title of the document was, and they won't recall... And there won't be a way to validate what they believe they saw. 
Burden of proof will have failed. 
I am not a lawyer...

Now do the other 36 charges.

[SydneyCarton 49,534]

7 hours ago, Slacks said:

So they're going to say they saw the document and can, without question, recall what exactly level of class it was... And they'll say 'I believe it said Top Secret' (they won't say they know for sure, because of they're wrong, it's potentially perjury.) 

And the cross examining defense lawyer is going to ask them what the title of the document was, and they won't recall... And there won't be a way to validate what they believe they saw. 

Burden of proof will have failed. 

I am not a lawyer...

Or a reader, since you seem to have missed the 9 times on this thread before your last post explaining how this is completely irrelevant to the DOJ’s case. There aren’t trying to prove he had a classified document in his hand at that moment. The audio proves he understood that a process exists to classify documents, and therefore by not doing it with the documents he claimed previously he had, and moving them around and having his lawyers certify falsely he had lore documents, he was willfully obstructing. 

[Dahobbs 18,399]

Slacks being dense again? I'm shocked. 

[Hermanator 7,698]

37 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Slacks being dense again? I'm shocked. 

He's just doing a Donald Trump version of his "we are gonna win" threads before we proceed to get beaten by double digits. 

[Dahobbs 18,399]

12 hours ago, Slacks said:

So they're going to say they saw the document and can, without question, recall what exactly level of class it was... And they'll say 'I believe it said Top Secret' (they won't say they know for sure, because of they're wrong, it's potentially perjury.) 

And the cross examining defense lawyer is going to ask them what the title of the document was, and they won't recall... And there won't be a way to validate what they believe they saw. 

Burden of proof will have failed. 

I am not a lawyer...

The idea that a recorded admission isn't evidence is laughable. The idea that "beyond a reasonable doubt" requires absolute proof completely ignores the "reasonable" part of reasonable doubt. But ultimately none of this matters for the actual charges brought. They can prove he had classified documents. They can prove he knew they were classified. They can prove he not only refused to turn them over, but actively hid them from investigators and even his own lawyers. And, from the indictment and the audio tapes, I'd say they can come damn close to proving those things with absolute certainty, much less beyond any reasonable doubt. 

[The Dog 44,865]

13 hours ago, Slacks said:

So they're going to say they saw the document and can, without question, recall what exactly level of class it was... And they'll say 'I believe it said Top Secret' (they won't say they know for sure, because of they're wrong, it's potentially perjury.) 

And the cross examining defense lawyer is going to ask them what the title of the document was, and they won't recall... And there won't be a way to validate what they believe they saw. 

Burden of proof will have failed. 

I am not a lawyer...

[YGIFS 19,458]

Does he think they built the whole case around trying to prove what Trump was rustling around with on an audio tape?  That's not the crime, dude.  He clearly proves he understands that the declassification process is in fact, not a psychic endeavor.  And admits to having some, which are later physically found to be true.  And then lies about it.  Then obstructs NARA and FBI for over a year.  Those are actual crimes.  

Also, just wanna say the term "Raid" had kinda gone away for a few months and is now roaring back.  In a sea of dog whistles, that one bugs the shit outta me.  Because every single American who has ever watched a movie or a television set has roughly the same idea of what an FBI raid is in their minds.  Buncha guys in dark blue windbreakers with yellow FBI on the back smashing into a place with weapons drawn.  That's what every single red-blooded American thinks of.  This was a buncha FBI guys waiting in the lobby of a fucking golf course with no weapons, waiting for the lady at the counter to buzz them through after they called secret service to let 'em know they were walking down the hall.  If it was a raid, the Secret Service wouldn't take the time to ask for badges, they start blasting.  If the Secret Service opened fire on the FBI in the home of a former President, I'm pretty sure that may have made the news somewhere.  

[RomaVicta 30,637]

23 hours ago, The Dog said:

Neither here nor there, but I was thinking of these two faces after seeing the pictures. I'm a big human: over 6 ft, fat, and broad-shouldered. I have resting dead-eyed psychopath face. My passport photo, where I put a happy thought in my mind for the camera, suggests that no country should allow me to enter.  I think Smith's resting face defines malice. Perfect for his job. On the podium announcing the indictment, he seemed like a regular guy.

As for the below, I don't want to start a wave of tired out vomit gifs or would/WNB posts. Not every photograph posted of a woman is an invitation for very heterosexually active males to prove their intense heterosexuality and very un-incel existence. All normal men have two back-up hard drives loaded with downloaded porn, cheesecake photos, and actresses in swimsuits. So, take a break this time. [ps It won't be funny if you do it anyway, but I know that won't stop you.]

I think still cameras love Susan Collins. She photographs so well that she looks more attractive and younger than her age.  Even the close-up below belies her actual appearance on video or live. I was surprised when I first heard her speak and saw her walking and talking. The difference like the woman Seinfeld was dating who looked drastically different in various lighting.

 

23 hours ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

 

Like I said, neither here nor there. I guess I just like the sound of my own voice in my head as I type. 

Edited June 29, 2023 by RomaVicta

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Whew, bad lighting on the Senate floor /jerry

[The Dog 44,865]

 

[Js1 87,288]

I’ve said it before - there’s a subset of non-Trump supporters who almost want him to get off so they can either:

Say “I told you so” or bitch and moan about Biden/Garland/Smith/those do nothing Democrats for letting it happen 

[YGIFS 19,458]

There's a little part of me that hopes he skates.  Because the ensuing violent lash-out from MAGA nation could actually get legit outta control.  And the other reason is I am absolutely taking lots and lots of hard drugs that week, and I'm not really sure my body can take it anymore.  

[DDD Dad 14,663]

14 hours ago, Born to Run said:

LSU just scored Again as well. Rough week?
 

Too soon.

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1 hour ago, YGIFS said:

Because every single American who has ever watched a movie or a television set has roughly the same idea of what an FBI raid is in their minds.

Which proves two things:

1. How intellectually limited the average American really is

2. How spectacularly soft the American Right is in particular

Seriously...mental toughness? That ain't their game. Their game is being a 24/7 victim. 

"They're gonna take our guns away"
"They're gonna take our gas stoves away"
"Trump is being persecuted for being a conservative"
"Trump is being persecuted for being a Christian"
"I'm persecuted because I'm conservative"
"I'm persecuted because I'm a Christian"
"Trump's house was raided because Biden is weaponizing the Justice Department"
"Death panels"
"The homosexual agenda"
"The LGBTQ agenda"
"The atheist agenda"
"CRT"
"Obama's madrassa army of angry negro ACORN volunteers"
"Saul Alinsky"
"Antifa"
"Communism"
"Marxism"
"Socialism"
"Fascism"
"Anarchism"
"Sharia Law"
"Immigration caravans"
"MS-13"
"Obamacare Death Panels"
"Chem trails"
"Jade Helm 15"
"Water turning frogs homosexual"
"The illuminati"
"The federal reserve"
"The IRS"

They're always a victim of everything except their own piss poor decisions...and yet they're always bragging about how they're the "mature, adult, personal responsibility" people. Whatever.

1 hour ago, YGIFS said:

 If the Secret Service opened fire on the FBI in the home of a former President, I'm pretty sure that may have made the news somewhere.  

Right, but who needs reality when we have Donald Trump saying words, amirite?

[NAVY 6,973]

49 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

There's a little part of me that hopes he skates.  Because the ensuing violent lash-out from MAGA nation could actually get legit outta control.  

I understand this sentiment, but the only way out is through. Motherfuckers want to throw down? well then let’s go. This is our watch. Generations to follow need us to stand the fucking watch. Aye aye 

[Sawbonz 28,245]

8 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

Or a reader, since you seem to have missed the 9 times on this thread before your last post explaining how this is completely irrelevant to the DOJ’s case. There aren’t trying to prove he had a classified document in his hand at that moment. The audio proves he understood that a process exists to classify documents, and therefore by not doing it with the documents he claimed previously he had, and moving them around and having his lawyers certify falsely he had lore documents, he was willfully obstructing. 

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1 hour ago, YGIFS said:

There's a little part of me that hopes he skates.  Because the ensuing violent lash-out from MAGA nation could actually get legit outta control.  And the other reason is I am absolutely taking lots and lots of hard drugs that week, and I'm not really sure my body can take it anymore.  

The only person that showed up and was arrested for his  arraignment in Miami was a liberal dressed like the Hamburglar who was trolling Trump.

A small amount of MAGA showed up on January 6th to fuck around, and they are now in the finding out phase, and thanks to their finding out (losing jobs, going to jail, being dragged through the media, etc), the rest of MAGA has decided they have better things to do.  Plus they do have a backup in DeSantis.

[Biff Tannen 46,203]

6 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

The only person that showed up and was arrested for his  arraignment in Miami was a liberal dressed like the Hamburglar who was trolling Trump.

A small amount of MAGA showed up on January 6th to fuck around, and they are now in the finding out phase, and thanks to their finding out (losing jobs, going to jail, being dragged through the media, etc), the rest of MAGA has decided they have better things to do.  Plus they do have a backup in DeSantis.

I want to believe this so badly. That they will fold and go home. But it’s too dangerous to think that way. We have to proceed as if they are coming out in armed droves. 

[Longhorn_Fan68 34,108]

they're arresting trolls now? half this board better watch out

[Make em eat Taco Bell 1,549]

1. prison 2. President.  That's his fate IMO.  

Suppose both, can a felon be elected? Can a President serve from his prison cell? 

[Longhorn_Fan68 34,108]

1 minute ago, Make em eat Taco Bell said:

1. prison 2. President.  That's his fate IMO.  

Suppose both, can a felon be elected? Can a President serve from his prison cell? 

according to the founding fathers, if he's white, probably

[The Dog 44,865]

 

[Biff Tannen 46,203]

2 minutes ago, The Dog said:

 

 

[Biff Tannen 46,203]

That would be over 100 counts total so far, yes?

[Js1 87,288]

Just now, Biff Tannen said:

That would be over 100 counts total so far, yes?

Snacks:

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[Constant 6,936]

18 minutes ago, The Dog said:

 

Just when I thought my dick couldn’t get any harder. Bury this piece of shit- and all that enabled him. 

Edited June 29, 2023 by Constant

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20 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

That would be over 100 counts total so far, yes?

the best 100+ indictments ever, some would say they’re ‘perfect’

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So by the time we get to Georgia and the NY financial crimes, he could be above the Mendoza line in crimes?  Impressive.  

You gotta give him this though, he has the most fascinating Myers-Briggs results in human history:

A) Gameshow Host

B) Incarcerated Felon

C) Like Grover Cleveland, serve two non-consecutive terms as President of the United States

D) Steak Purveyor 

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1 hour ago, The Dog said:

Dies? Dies would be an improvement. Everything he touches full on fucking explodes.

Trump University
Trump hotels
Trump Casinos
Trump Steaks
Trump Airlines
Trump Mortgage
The Plaza Hotel
The USFL

And yet what did he run on in 2016? The idea that he's a successful businessman that was financing his own campaign. HA!

[Brisketexan 107,028]

1 hour ago, NAVY said:

I understand this sentiment, but the only way out is through. Motherfuckers want to throw down? well then let’s go. This is our watch. Generations to follow need us to stand the fucking watch. Aye aye 

This.

Some of you say "MAGA dipshits taking up arms against the US is a crisis!"

I say "MAGA dipshits taking up arms against the US is a golden opportunity to solve the problem of us having a buncha MAGA dipshits."  Hey, MAGA superpatriotsecondamendmentguy.....

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33 minutes ago, The Dog said:

 

The lawyers on the other end of his next phone call:

 

[Hermanator 7,698]

14 minutes ago, hpslugga said:

Dies? Dies would be an improvement. Everything he touches full on fucking explodes.

Trump University
Trump hotels
Trump Casinos
Trump Steaks
Trump Airlines
Trump Mortgage
The Plaza Hotel
The USFL

National Security

Thousand+ idiot followers on 1/6

Dozens of lawyers, politicians, and sycophants who have had to strike deals with the government to avoid prison time. 

Mike Pence's claim to heterosexuality

Rudy Giuliani 

The republican's hopes in 2018, 2020, 2022

Whatever remaining shred of the veil of normalcy and dignity of the republican party 

The entire country of Russia

 

This man's path of destruction is Genghis Khan levels

 

[Js1 87,288]

10 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

This man's path of destruction is Genghis Khan levels

Send that fucker to be president of OU. 

[TwiceHorn 32,108]

1 hour ago, The Dog said:

 

I think I'd be surprised if there were additional document-related charges this soon after the initial indictment, or really ever.  Smith obviously has a very solid case and a superseding indictment would seem to indicate that he stumbled on something, like communication to a foreign subject or entity that really ups the ante.  Anything is possible, I suppose, but that seems to go against what we've seen of Smith's diligence and preparation.  More of the same ol shit doesn't seem to serve any purpose.

That they seem to be "branching out" from the core 1/6 case:  conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding, or possibly even seditious conspiracy, into related crimes does seem to indicate that maybe 1/6 charges are coming soon.

Note that I draw a distinction here between the false electors as its own crime and as an element of the conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding.

Edited June 29, 2023 by TwiceHorn

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18 hours ago, Foosters said:

No shit?

Aced some McCombs law classes, helped a few young ladies through their law degrees.. And paid for a couple years for two. 

So, yeah, no shit. Law school is undefeated. 

[Slacks 7,075]

11 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

Or a reader, since you seem to have missed the 9 times on this thread before your last post explaining how this is completely irrelevant to the DOJ’s case. There aren’t trying to prove he had a classified document in his hand at that moment. The audio proves he understood that a process exists to classify documents, and therefore by not doing it with the documents he claimed previously he had, and moving them around and having his lawyers certify falsely he had lore documents, he was willfully obstructing. 

I'm not reading all the shit in CR, man... You know better. 

Hell, I'm not reading all the shit on shaggy surly... This is not why I am here. 

[Slacks 7,075]

6 hours ago, Dahobbs said:

The idea that a recorded admission isn't evidence is laughable. The idea that "beyond a reasonable doubt" requires absolute proof completely ignores the "reasonable" part of reasonable doubt. But ultimately none of this matters for the actual charges brought. They can prove he had classified documents. They can prove he knew they were classified. They can prove he not only refused to turn them over, but actively hid them from investigators and even his own lawyers. And, from the indictment and the audio tapes, I'd say they can come damn close to proving those things with absolute certainty, much less beyond any reasonable doubt. 

I'm not doubting the case. I'm doubting the recording is proof of anything other than 'I can't declassify docs now in 2021.'

Was the doc in conversation classified at all? Dunno. Can't prove. Hell, it might not have even been a real govt doc. Cat has a fake presidential seal and likes to make shit up.

Do I believe that? Nope. Could I convict on it? Nope.

I find the tape barely relevant, but it's conversational on interwebs. 

Of course, in shaggysurlyland, you're either right or wrong all the way. There is no gray, except for...

OK... Enough ads for today. Going back to sports. 

[Dahobbs 18,399]

Just now, Slacks said:

I'm not doubting the case. I'm doubting the recording is proof of anything other than 'I can't declassify docs now in 2021.'

Was the doc in conversation classified at all? Dunno. Can't prove. Hell, it might not have even been a real govt doc. Cat has a fake presidential seal and likes to make shit up.

Do I believe that? Nope. Could I convict on it? Nope.

I find the tape barely relevant, but it's conversational on interwebs. 

Of course, in shaggysurlyland, you're either right or wrong all the way. There is no gray, except for...

You absolutely can convict on a recorded fucking admission that the doc I'm looking at is classified. And it is definitely relevant. It is completely, entirely, and totally idiotic to state otherwise.

[Slacks 7,075]

1 minute ago, Dahobbs said:

You absolutely can convict on a recorded fucking admission that the doc I'm looking at is classified. And it is definitely relevant. It is completely, entirely, and totally idiotic to state otherwise.

What doc did he look at? 

[Dahobbs 18,399]

3 minutes ago, Slacks said:

What doc did he look at? 

Well, if I had access to the classified documents, I'm pretty sure I could figure what classified document or documents on war with Iran he was pointing to, not that I think proving the contents of that particular document matters. 

[YGIFS 19,458]

NSIAP---where did that interview with the book writer/editor with Trump actually take place?  Was it on the Mar-a-Lago property?  

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2 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

NSIAP---where did that interview with the book writer/editor with Trump actually take place?  Was it on the Mar-a-Lago property?  

His GC in Bedminster.

[TwiceHorn 32,108]

10 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Well, if I had access to the classified documents, I'm pretty sure I could figure what classified document or documents on war with Iran he was pointing to, not that I think proving the contents of that particular document matters. 

It has been reported that the Iran doc is not among those cited in the indictment and forming the bases of the 793 violations, and that no one can find it.

So, yeah, that tape is not going to help convict him of any single count of the indictment, but it does evidence that he knew he had classified information, knew he shouldn't have it, and didn't give a fuck.  

 

[YGIFS 19,458]

12 minutes ago, GhostOfTomJoad said:

His GC in Bedminster.

So he moved some of them yet again to yet another unsecured location?  Brilliant move dude.  Was he drunk packing at Mar-a-Lago?  "Well, I'm gonna need some longer ties.  Maybe these cuff-links, my shaving kit (for such a wrinkled man with so many chins, he's remarkably smooth shaven), these three pairs of shoes, 7 classified documents to not read, and my lucky ladies watch"     

3 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

It has been reported that the Iran doc is not among those cited in the indictment and forming the bases of the 793 violations, and that no one can find it.

So, yeah, that tape is not going to help convict him of any single count of the indictment, but it does evidence that he knew he had classified information, knew he shouldn't have it, and didn't give a fuck.  

 

I know it has no legal bearing on the case the specific contents of whatever he waved around, but the national security apparatus is sure as shit fucking worried about losing the main wargame manual for invading the country currently supplying a large portion of weaponry to the country currently invading Ukraine.  Not a great time geopolitically for those four countries to be involved in anything like that.  Just fuels the Iranians to more deeply support Russia.  I'd feel better if he'd lost a copy of "Iraq Part III:  This Time we Mean It!"  

[Red Five 41,787]

8 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

but it does evidence that he knew he had classified information, knew he shouldn't have it, and didn't give a fuck.  

"Look at it!", he said to a random staffer.

[Dahobbs 18,399]

17 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

It has been reported that the Iran doc is not among those cited in the indictment and forming the bases of the 793 violations, and that no one can find it.

So, yeah, that tape is not going to help convict him of any single count of the indictment, but it does evidence that he knew he had classified information, knew he shouldn't have it, and didn't give a fuck.  

 

Right, and be clear to at @Slacks, I don't think you could convict solely on a single audio tape. But I do think it is highly relevant to the case generally, and, when combined with everything else, makes a near slam dunk case. Arguing that the audio recording is only "barely" relevant is fucking asinine. 

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