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[henrygandorf 29229]

my favorite part is that he had to wait 20 min for the judge.  i assume he doesn't wait for much of anything in his life.

[Biff Tannen 46200]

1 hour ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

I guess this is just a permanent show now.

 

It's a TV show in this stupid simulation.

[blacklab 12068]

1 hour ago, DDD Dad said:

Depends on your 8 iron.  

Could you even hit a driver that far right now?

[DDD Dad 14662]

2 minutes ago, blacklab said:

Could you even hit a driver that far right now?

No.

Why you gotta be so mean?

[blacklab 12068]

I haven't swung a club in over a year. Need to make fun of others who are sharing my pain.

[Neonmoon 38130]

First hearing is Aug 28th

popcorn 

[YGIFS 19458]

2 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

It's a TV show in this stupid simulation.

The simulation isn't stupid.  It's actually quite erudite and pithy.  We, however, are fucking beyond moronic.  

If you count all primary candidates for each major party plus the third party/independents who have the requisite number of signatures...you're looking at about 30 official candidates.  And according to the outstanding fucking logic of some truly impressive dipshits who share a diploma with me...you can't be held criminally liable for anything if you're one of those 30 because you're running for President.  Even if the charges involve selling state secrets to foreign adversaries or attempting to overthrow our own government at its seat while you are its Head of State.  This is the defense of 30-35% of our nation?  You can't bother this man because he's busy attempting to be elected again so never mind that other shit?  Fucking pile of moronic shit this website has turned into.  We used to beat people this fucking stupid but now we have to nurture safe spaces because people might get butthurt.  Fuck off.  This fucking board is a fucking embarrassment to our alma mater, we're one notch above texags which isn't saying much.  

[WhatTheBuck 28940]

22 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

No offense but I trust ya'll about the same as I trust us in elections.

Immaterial. 

[Neonmoon 38130]

You know he's going to try and tamper

 

 

[G650 14450]

1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Objectively there is no reason Trump should be allowed to walk around freely.  I mean, stealing national secrets and conspiring to lead a violent overthrow of the federal government should land you in jail immediately right?!?  Like, he’s clearly insanely dangerous to all of us.  I feel like I’m taking crazy pills! 

For what's it worth I've always thought you were taking crazy pills.

[4th&Five 42026]

[Upgrayedd 5916]

30 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

What is that gif from?  I've tried so many times to figure it out.

“Malhari Dance, also known as Bollywood Soldier Dance, is a reactionGIF featuring Indian actor Ranveer Singh (who portrays Bajirao I) dancing alongside several armor-clad soldiers from the 2015 Bollywood film Bajirao Mastani. The GIF is pulled from one of the movie’s songs called “Malhari” that includes a lengthy dance sequence between the famous Indian commander and his troops. It’s typically used to express excitement, happiness or reactions involving intense hype for a wide variety of situations.”

[Rimbo 27088]

1 hour ago, henrygandorf said:

do not fall for the republican talking points.  this is not a free speech case.  this is not a "what did he actually believe" case.  it's not about what he thought or said, it's about what he did.  go read the indictment.  it seems like they were very careful about that.

trump's lawyers and supporters are spinning their own bullshit to try and win in the court of public opinion.  pay them no mind.

you're changing the subject

that's not what I'm saying

what I'm saying is that it's very possible for Trump to use the defense of "i genuinely believed the election was stolen despite what everyone told me"

Edited August 3, 2023 by Rimbo

[Red Five 41780]

Just now, Rimbo said:

what I'm saying is that it's very possible for Trump to use the defense of "i genuinely believed the election was stolen despite what everyone told me"

That might require an insanity plea.

[Js1 87281]

He can use it.  Doesn't mean it is effective.

The 1-73 court record kinda speaks for itself. 

[henrygandorf 29229]

4 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

you're changing the subject

that's not what I'm saying

what I'm saying is that it's very possible for Trump to use the defense of "i genuinely believed the election was stolen despite what everyone told me"

i hope he does.  nothing he's accused of hinges on what he thought about the validity of the results.

Edited August 3, 2023 by henrygandorf

[Rimbo 27088]

1 minute ago, Red Five said:

That might require an insanity plea.

or just an "I'm the boss around here" plea

which fits Trump perfectly

Just now, henrygandorf said:

i hope he does.  nothing he's accused of hinge on what he thought about the validity of the results.

Then why does that feature so prominently in the indictment?

[henrygandorf 29229]

2 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

Then why does that feature so prominently in the indictment?

they establish that plenty of people told him he lost, so there shouldn't have been any confusion about it.  but the shit he did (or conspired with others to do) is illegal whether he won, lost, or lost but thought he won.  i'm happy to look at some snippets that you're talking about.  i just read it as them building the story to make it easy to follow.  i skimmed through it pretty quickly. 

i thought they pretty clearly avoided charging him with anything that could be explained by "he has the legal right to make his case that he won".

[Surly Bevo 25778]

Trump could use the "I truly believe I won" defense but to do that wouldn't he almost HAVE to get on the stand to assert that.  And if he gets on the stand to assert that it's going to be fun reading about (cause we ain't getting to watch this) how he is utterly torn to pieces. 

[Rimbo 27088]

4 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

they establish that plenty of people told him he lost, so there shouldn't have been any confusion about it.  but the shit he did (or conspired with others to do) is illegal whether he won, lost, or lost but thought he won.  i'm happy to look at some snippets that you're talking about.  i just read it as them building the story to make it easy to follow.  i skimmed through it pretty quickly. 

i thought they pretty clearly avoided charging him with anything that could be explained by "he has the legal right to make his case that he won".

Ok maybe so.

[Rimbo 27088]

1 minute ago, Surly Bevo said:

Trump could use the "I truly believe I won" defense but to do that wouldn't he almost HAVE to get on the stand to assert that.  And if he gets on the stand to assert that it's going to be fun reading about (cause we ain't getting to watch this) how he is utterly torn to pieces. 

I bet he does it.

Just like with the second Bob Woodward book, he thinks he can talk his way out of anything.

[The Royal We 3100]

11 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

or just an "I'm the boss around here" plea

which fits Trump perfectly

Then why does that feature so prominently in the indictment?

Whether or not he truly believed he won is completely irrelevant. Trump can and should try that defense, but I think other J6 defendants tried it and it didn't help them out in the least.

Maybe this thread from a law professor at NYU and Harvard will help? Lots of good examples with cites to the indictment included in the thread.

 

[jimmyjazz 47298]

Kid Rock sucks, but Upadhyaya was a pretty catchy tune.

[henrygandorf 29229]

2 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

I bet he does it.

[Rimbo 27088]

1 minute ago, henrygandorf said:

It would be the greatest moment of his reality TV career. Emmy winning.

[Horndog 2304]

1 hour ago, Red Five said:

Lulz, the judge told Dotard that he can't commit any crimes, or tamper with witnesses.

Guess what Melania? The Judge won't let us go to Tampa.

[Francisco 2.0 32609]

4 hours ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

 

 

Well, sure.  Unless the accused gets to, you know, get elected to President and have the power to pardon himself, his superfriends, get any investigations into him shut down, fire the AG, dismiss the special prosecutor's office, and hell, probably get an impeachment of any federal judge that dare to oversee a trial that goes against him.

So, yeah, the DOJ has an incredible conviction rate in other cases with other defendants who aren't named Trump.

Cautiously optimistic, but sadly, pessimistic all the same.

 

 

 

[henrygandorf 29229]

9 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

Even if he truly thought he won, his legal remedies for addressing that don’t include conspiring with and/or blackmailing the Vice President, Congress, the various states, etc. to overturn the election without due process.  He had legal avenues to challenge the election.  He in fact tried those, and he lost repeatedly.  He doesn’t get to do illegal vigilantism just because he thinks he was wronged.

It’s like saying you really thought your neighbor stole something from your yard, so it’s ok that you murdered him and took all the stuff you thought was yours instead of getting the police involved.  It doesn’t matter if you believed he had it coming.  There are still rules.

His defense is going to boil down to mostly irrelevant word salad nonsense, and ultimately when pressed his real argument is just going to be the defense Saddam Hussein used in his trial, i.e., it’s impossible for me to commit crimes because I’m the ruler and anything I do is the law.

It’s not going to work.  Hoping a MAGA fanatic or two gets onto the jury and refuses to convict is his only real play.  

on cnn, they actually brought up the oj case (not the murder case) where he tried to get "his stuff" back by using a gun.

[Js1 87281]

12 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

It’s like saying you really thought your neighbor stole something from your yard, so it’s ok that you murdered him and took all the stuff you thought was yours instead of getting the police involved.  It doesn’t matter if you believed he had it coming.

[Foosters 18287]

15 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

 

It’s not going to work.  Hoping a MAGA fanatic or two gets onto the jury and refuses to convict is his only real play.  

In which case I hope the DOJ puts 12 more in the box and tries again.

[Js1 87281]

[Francisco 2.0 32609]

 

 

 

[MC Fresh Breath 4075]

1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

What is that gif from?  I've tried so many times to figure it out.

I see it has been answered, but it really is worth a few minutes of your time.

edit: seems youtube has purged a lot of the 'full scene' stuff, sorry.

Edited August 3, 2023 by MC Fresh Breath
stupid youtube

[tx 3 putt 78739]

3 hours ago, Js1 said:

I mean, since Trump left office and SCOTUS overturned Roe v. Wade:

• 4 House special elections swung 12, 11, 6 and 9 points to the left
• Dems WON the Alaska House race special election and held it in the midterms
• Dems overperformed the 2022 midterms, narrowly losing the House when they should have lost 20+ seats, picked up a seat in the Senate and picked up 2 governor's seats, including winning yet another run-off in Georgia for the Senate seat.  Oh yeah and flipped 5 chambers from the GOP, including in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Minnesota
• Crushed anti-abortion ballot measures in Kansas, Kentucky and Montana
• Flipped the Wisconsin Supreme Court 

Several state GOP’s are broke and/or bankrupt’d !

[dcbc 14645]

Part of my wish list includes, when all is said and done, a report that the OJ Trial got higher ratings.  Just one more thing for him to stew on while he rots in prison.

Edited August 3, 2023 by dcbc

[Beau Vine 55888]

 

 

[BamaATL 16593]

1 minute ago, tx 3 putt said:

Several state GOP’s are broke and/or bankrupt’d !

Worth mentioning, but not quite before he "left" office:

1.  2 republicans lost Senate seats in George. 

2.  A Jewish and black man won Senates seats in Georgia as Democrats.   

3.  The same black man won again, and then won again by more in runoff.  

I only put emphasis on their race and religious affiliation because having spent most of my life here, to be honest this was an entirely unthinkable prior to this happening.  I would have stood in line for days on end to do my part, fortunately even in the runoffs, it was just bitterly cold and our wait was under 4 hours.  We voted early every single time to ensure that we got it done, and we were far from alone.  

During the runoffs, guess who wasn't on the ticket whatsoever?  Donald Trump.  It was stand alone, and Democratic voters showed up in force.  We (Democrats) will do it again.  

Lastly, demographic trends are in our favor here, as is the death rate disparity between the two parties.  

[Sawbonz 28243]

1 hour ago, 4th&Five said:

 

 

[Longhorn_Fan68 34108]

51 minutes ago, Js1 said:

There really is s Simpsons clip for everything 

 

[jimmyjazz 47298]

Not that it matters what Trump tweets (or whatever), but he wasn't arrested today.

[GhostOfTomJoad 9522]

Not that it matters what Trump tweets (or whatever), but he wasn't arrested today.

True, but the MAGATs don't know the difference between indicted and arrested, but they know they need to sign over their social security check to him so they're not arrested next.

[Biff Tannen 46200]

2 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Well, sure.  Unless the accused gets to, you know, get elected to President and have the power to pardon himself, his superfriends, get any investigations into him shut down, fire the AG, dismiss the special prosecutor's office, and hell, probably get an impeachment of any federal judge that dare to oversee a trial that goes against him.

Yep.  And if that happens I don't think the populace at large will take it well.

[hayden_horn 11402]

1 hour ago, Rimbo said:

you're changing the subject

that's not what I'm saying

what I'm saying is that it's very possible for Trump to use the defense of "i genuinely believed the election was stolen despite what everyone told me"

 

1 hour ago, henrygandorf said:

i hope he does.  nothing he's accused of hinges on what he thought about the validity of the results.

 

1 hour ago, Rimbo said:

or just an "I'm the boss around here" plea

which fits Trump perfectly

Then why does that feature so prominently in the indictment?

 

1 hour ago, henrygandorf said:

they establish that plenty of people told him he lost, so there shouldn't have been any confusion about it.  but the shit he did (or conspired with others to do) is illegal whether he won, lost, or lost but thought he won.  i'm happy to look at some snippets that you're talking about.  i just read it as them building the story to make it easy to follow.  i skimmed through it pretty quickly. 

i thought they pretty clearly avoided charging him with anything that could be explained by "he has the legal right to make his case that he won".

 

1 hour ago, Rimbo said:

Ok maybe so.

let's not forget that there are other conspirators in the indictment who are unnamed, even if we know who most of them are.

establishing a fact pattern of these co-conspirators knowing and telling trump that he lost the election, and then still went ahead and did this shady shit...

they aren't just making one case, even though it's the biggest. they establish these airtight cases against the co-conspirators, and people start to flip, right?

i dunno.

[Biff Tannen 46200]

1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

Not that it matters what Trump tweets (or whatever), but he wasn't arrested today.

Are we sure?  Because CNN was calling it that all day long.

[WhatTheBuck 28940]

1 hour ago, Rimbo said:

I bet he does it.

Just like with the second Bob Woodward book, he thinks he can talk his way out of anything.

His lawyers will never allow him to testify under oath. They know he’s incapable of opening his mouth without lying. 

[henrygandorf 29229]

1 hour ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

 

i count 7 lies and 1 truth.

he did fly today.

[jimmyjazz 47298]

4 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

His lawyers will never allow him to testify under oath. They know he’s incapable of opening his mouth without lying. 

It's not their call.  If he wants to take the stand, he takes the stand.  They can likely resign, although that may be a limited option, too, the lawdogs can speak to that.

[Red Five 41780]

Interesting comment from Chris Hayes just now. Trump is married and has five kids. None of them were there today. 

[Beau Vine 55888]

 

 

[troph 25247]

I’d rather you donate to my Colorado / Caribbean retirement plan Mr. Trump, probably cheaper than getting arrested for me, kthx.