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[Longhorn_Fan68 33806]

6 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

i mean, we all really know it when we think about it, but it's alarming that draft anythings can be used against anyone. i draft many posts in this here computer machine that i deem too nasty or whatever to actually hit "submit." 

thought is not a crime. thinking a thing is not a crime. drafting a thing (and not sending it) is along the lines of thinking a thing, imo. 

edit: please note i'm not talking about submitting a thing and later deleting it after people have seen it. that's called "regret" and it's a different thing altogether.

I see what you mean, but my guess is Smith is savvy and won't fall for that. Rather he might use unsent tweets as corroboration of other information - and even then it might be a 5th or 6th or deeper layer. "Oh, you want to see more evidence that you wanted your wife dead? Here's a draft tweet two nights earlier saying, 'anyone want to help me kill my wife? lol j/k'. You know, something like that. Your assertion does have some grim undertones. I don't think that's where we're at, though.

[Foosters 17690]

4 hours ago, hayden_horn said:

i mean, we all really know it when we think about it, but it's alarming that draft anythings can be used against anyone. i draft many posts in this here computer machine that i deem too nasty or whatever to actually hit "submit." 

thought is not a crime. thinking a thing is not a crime. drafting a thing (and not sending it) is along the lines of thinking a thing, imo. 

edit: please note i'm not talking about submitting a thing and later deleting it after people have seen it. that's called "regret" and it's a different thing altogether.

100% disagree. If you're defense is, "that was not planned, we had no intention of doing that, and it was spontaneous" but circumstantial evidence exists that you contemplated that exact result, that evidence should come in.

If the police arrest some burglars and in one of their phones was a typed, but unsent, text that read "lets go burglarize this place" then that is relevant to their intent at the time they entered the structure.

At the end of the day, criminal intent is just a "thought" but it is still an element that must be proven in many cases. Rarely do you have someone saying "my intent is X." Rather, you have circumstantial evidence tending to show what their intent was. A defendant typing up a message that refutes their defense of "unplanned accident" is relevant to the question of intent. 

Edited August 15, 2023 by Foosters

[kevwun 15585]

Don't plan crimes on traceable electronic devices.

[Longhorn94 2427]

14 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Them underperforming expectations somewhat and winning a small majority in the House two years after attempting a violent coup is hardly a rejection of the GOP. That's just wishful thinking.

it wasnt just underperforming expectations somewhat.... it was the worst fucking showing by a party in midterm election in the last 6 fucking decades. but yeah keep saying im the one engaging in wishful thinking. do i wish it was an even worse performance, of course i do. but we shouldnt mischaracterize how badly they performed and how much of their agenda was rejected by the american people.

[Constant 6716]

4 minutes ago, kevwun said:

Don't plan crimes on traceable electronic devices.

I’d like a President that just stops at “Don’t plan crimes”. 

Edited August 15, 2023 by Constant

[sidis 9706]

you have to admire the unabashed insanity of publicly spurning one of your co-conspirators and not paying their legal bills for them. it's like you're daring them to do a deal and turn state's evidence.

[The Dog 43764]

 

[South Austin 52028]

3 minutes ago, Constant said:

I’d like a President that just stops at “Don’t plan crimes”. 

That train has sailed.

[kevwun 15585]

1 minute ago, sidis said:

you have to admire the unabashed insanity of publicly spurning one of your co-conspirators and not paying their legal bills for them. it's like you're daring them to do a deal and turn state's evidence.

I don't think he could afford to pay all of their legal bills without selling all of his shit.  He is cash poor.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33806]

2 minutes ago, South Austin said:

That train has sailed.

I thought it was 'that ship has left the station."

[kevwun 15585]

That horse has shit in the woods.

[sidis 9706]

Just now, kevwun said:

I don't think he could afford to pay all of their legal bills without selling all of his shit.  He is cash poor.

the pac has been raising money for years on this garbage and white trash shit-for-brains across this country keep sending their disability checks to this dipshit brigade organization on a daily basis. the pac could spare a few bucks to mitigate the personal pain and leverage opportunity as a reasonably smart strategy.  but here's hoping he just keeps pissing off his co-conspirators.

[Rimbo 25742]

This Indictment of Trump Does Something Ingenious https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/15/opinion/trump-indictment-georgia-fani-willis.html?unlocked_article_code=_NkA4vNeUmfDNZCPw0k_sKsmsoDqM4ng1H1VvDKgl3kBXyc8dA-4YBUg1u_GtVyU7cu1MLnceUN7dAvaMZLTWF5QAATffjBifRRqSinqBoOkSbpQCwBVFgL7bMueV1xOK6A2o4qRR8yP-2xbesBVsfncoarcvhgL9zRLeTuK1vl2RxnfxuB3GvfhsS4Rn1CUW0WoMqDIBibmocrFoYgspVrJSZaGlBrT17hut2mw0-CixPIgnuL1QOPtGtOayBC9sV-hAp5LNMaFRoY4w1BcpCZgNS7dHm0NNd0JttwSW9YCGiZe6aeaGc8Bpvyhhn8ncIsMGyLJDZG6tYfEgKJeW2ud7lOglU9pH4hyVVW1&smid=nytcore-android-share

☝️ NYTimes op-ed that is a great write up on the Georgia indictment

gift link, so it should be paywall free

Just now, kevwun said:

That horse has shit in the woods.

that bear became Pope

[Brisketexan 104419]

9 minutes ago, Constant said:

I’d like a President that just stops at “Don’t plan crimes”. 

Well, that's one way to tell us you don't plan to vote GQP anymore.

[Gatorubet 30046]

3 hours ago, bolverk said:

 

As a reminder, #6 PHIL WALDRON is the guy who owns this place out in Dripping Springs: https://osdtx.com/about-us/

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-house-jan-6-probe-subpoenas-trump-adviser-who-reportedly-prepared-powerpoint-2021-12-16/

RICO has a 4 year SOL in Georgia. 

[Rimbo 25742]

39 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Your qualifier "with one hand tied being our back" seemed to be implying we should bend over backwards to give him every out.  Maybe I misinterpreted what you said.

I mean, we shouldn't self-handicap the process, but if that's not what you meant, OK.

What I meant about it is what Brisket's saying; that since we must play by the rules, and they do not, we're at a slight disadvantage.

On the other hand, we do have an advantage that they are just so hilariously stupid.

[hayden_horn 11359]

19 minutes ago, Foosters said:

100% disagree. If you're defense is, "that was not planned, we had no intention of doing that, and it was spontaneous" but circumstantial evidence exists that you contemplated that exact result it should come in.

If the police arrested some burglars and in one of their phones there was a typed, but unsent, text that read "lets go burglarize this place" then its relevant to their intent at the time they entered the structure.

At the end of the day, criminal intent is just a "thought" but it is still an element that must be proven in many cases. Rarely do you have someone saying "my intent is X." Rather, you have circumstantial evidence tending to show what their intent was. A defendant typing up a message that refutes their defense of "unplanned accident" is relevant to the question of intent. 

now you've given me something to think about. interesting. i can see it as use in supporting evidence. that makes sense. thanks for the argument. 

[Rimbo 25742]

2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Well, that's one way to tell us you don't plan to vote GQP anymore.

[Brisketexan 104419]

2 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

What I meant about it is what Brisket's saying; that since we must play by the rules, and they do not, we're at a slight disadvantage.

On the other hand, we do have an advantage that they are just so hilariously stupid.

The bolded really is our greatest hope.

And it's not an unfounded hope.

Because sweet lord, these people are absolute complete fucking morons.

[hpslugga 4038]

44 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

I can't wait to see how many times he's typed out the n-word in a draft of a tweet.

Only if it’s presented as a Jack Torrance writing

[Beau Vine 53943]

24 minutes ago, kevwun said:

Don't plan crimes on traceable electronic devices.

[DDD Dad 14146]

56 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

i mean, we all really know it when we think about it, but it's alarming that draft anythings can be used against anyone. i draft many posts in this here computer machine that i deem too nasty or whatever to actually hit "submit." 

thought is not a crime. thinking a thing is not a crime. drafting a thing (and not sending it) is along the lines of thinking a thing, imo. 

edit: please note i'm not talking about submitting a thing and later deleting it after people have seen it. that's called "regret" and it's a different thing altogether.

I believe you meant to say "ragret."

[Lurch 5919]

That horse has shit in the woods.

Where I couldn’t see the horse, for the trees

[jimmyjazz 45488]

27 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

The bolded really is our greatest hope.

And it's not an unfounded hope.

Because sweet lord, these people are absolute complete fucking morons.

I continue to want to see a study of IQ versus political orientation.  I realize it could come across as a "Bell Curve" abomination, but I don't think the far right has actually been systemically deprived of better education.  They mostly just don't think critically, part of which is their own doing.  I mean, if you don't pay attention in class, you get what's coming to you. 

[The Hot Dog Buffet 1291]

1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

I continue to want to see a study of IQ versus political orientation.  I realize it could come across as a "Bell Curve" abomination, but I don't think the far right has actually been systemically deprived of better education.  They mostly just don't think critically, part of which is their own doing.  I mean, if you don't pay attention in class, you get what's coming to you. 

It's the parents' fault. Always pampering and making excuses for the little shits.

[tx ind 6993]

57 minutes ago, kevwun said:

Don't plan crimes on traceable electronic devices.

[G650 13958]

52 minutes ago, South Austin said:

That train has sailed.

That's how you mix metaphors

[Native Horn 3482]

2 minutes ago, G650 said:

That's how you mix metaphors

How very onomatopoeia of you.

[conVINCEd 21468]

4 minutes ago, G650 said:

That's how you mix metaphors

C’mon skipper.  He ain’t mixing shit.

[TwiceHorn 31167]

2 hours ago, Pig Bellmont said:

I’m not a criminal procedure expert but I assume it’s because each defendant is entitled to a certain number of peremptory strikes of potential jurors. Meaning that as a matter of right, they can eliminate something like 9 potential jurors. That’s separate from striking a potential juror for cause

Not to mention they get some latitude in questioning jurors.  19+ defense lawyers instead of 1 or 2.

[Beau Vine 53943]

[Beau Vine 53943]

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The Truth About Fani Willis

Radical Democrat Fani Willis Is Campaigning And Fundraising On Her Bogus Indictments Of President Trump     Fani Willis Is A Democrat Activist In 2021, She Endorsed And Fundraised For The Democrat Political Opponent Of A Republican Georgia State Senator Who Was A Target Of Her Criminal Investigation. (Endorsement Video, Charlie Bailey Campaign Facebook Page, 1/30/21)   Willis’s Prior Partisan Political Activity Disqualified Her From Investigating An Election Witness. “A judge Monday effectively barred a Georgia prosecutor from investigating Republican state Sen. Burt Jones…saying she was disqualified by hosting a campaign fundraiser for Jones’ political opponent.” (CNBC, 7/25/22)   The judge ruled that Fani Willis’ actions constituted a “plain — and actual and untenable — conflict,” and commented that “It’s a ‘What are you thinking?’ moment. The optics are horrific.” (Washington Post, 7/25/22)   Willis Is Using The Trump Indictment To Fundraise And Campaign   On The Eve Of Her Anticipated Indictment Of President Trump, Willis Launched Her New 2023 Re-Election Campaign Website To Take Maximum Advantage Of Her New-found Fame. “While the nation awaits the results of her office’s more-than-two-year investigation into alleged attempts by former President Donald Trump and his allies to overturn Georgia’s 2020 election results, Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis has launched a new fundraising website. On Thursday, Willis sent out an email to her supporters. ‘Friend, we wanted you to know first that our new website is up and ready for you to share with your friends and family,’ it said. ‘Sign up to volunteer, host an event, and continue to support the team! Thank you for your continued support to build a brighter future for Fulton County. With gratitude, Team Fani.’ Willis’ team launched the website as a Fulton County grand jury continues weighing whether to level charges or indictments against the nation’s 45th president.” (Atlanta News First, 8/10/23)     Willis’s DA Office Leaked A Charging Sheet Against President Trump, Tainting The Jury Pool By Highlighting 13 Felony Charges, Before The Grand Jury Voted Or Any Charges Were Announced. “A two-page docket report posted to the Fulton County court website indicated charges against Trump including racketeering, conspiracy, and false statements. The appearance of the report set off a flurry of news media activity, but then the document vanished. A spokesperson for the district attorney said reports ‘that those charges were filed [are] inaccurate. Beyond that we cannot comment.’” (The Guardian, 8/14/23)   President Trump’s Attorneys Drew Findling And Jennifer Little Respond: “The Fulton County District Attorney's Office has once again shown that they have no respect for the integrity of the grand jury process. This was not a simple administrative mistake. A proposed indictment should only be in the hands of the District Attorney's Office, yet it somehow made its way to the clerk's office and was assigned a case number and a judge before the grand jury even deliberated. This is emblematic of the pervasive and glaring constitutional violations which have plagued this case from its very inception.” (Statement, 8/14/23)   Fani Willis Bragged To Left-Wing Media Outlets About Her Efforts To Take Down Trump.   Willis Appeared Repeatedly (Nearly 40 Times) On Left-Wing TV Shows And Media Outlets Throughout Her Investigation. (Amended Complaint, No. 2023CV382670, 7/20/23)   Willis Often Bragged About Her Investigation To National Media Outlets. (The Rachel Maddow Show, 2/11/21; Amended Complaint, No. 2023CV382670, 7/20/23)   Rather than remaining impartial, Willis opined about the ongoing investigation openly to the media, telling TIME that she had a “what in the hell” moment when she heard President Trump’s phone call. (Time Magazine, 9/28/21) In a 2022 interview, Willis said that “on day one” she knew that an investigation of Trump may be warranted. Willis went on to explain that upon hearing the phone call, “almost immediately I knew if there was something to be done…that we would be the appropriate office.” (USA Today, 2/14/22) Willis’s Campaign Account Tweeted A Political Cartoon Promoting Her Investigation Of President Trump. In July 2022, after subpoenaing a multitude of high-profile witnesses, Fani Willis tweeted a biased political cartoon on her campaign twitter account depicting her fishing for a recently subpoenaed witness who appeared in the cartoon to be living as a fish in a swamp. (Amended Complaint, No. 2023CV382670, 7/20/23)     Willis Raised A Vast Majority Of Her Campaign Funds By Promoting Her Election Investigation On Social Media.   Nearly 75% Of Her Entire Contribution Haul Came In The Immediate Aftermath Of Her Tweets Promoting The Investigation. “In 2022, according to her campaign disclosure report, the District Attorney received a total of 737 donations—533 of those donations came in the days immediately following her retweeting requests for donations and followers in light of this investigation, which Petitioner highlighted in his original motion. See Motion to Quash, attached hereto as Exhibit 1, Sec. 4(B)(ii). To be clear, those donations comprise 72.3% of the District Attorney’s 2022 individual campaign.” (Amended Complaint, No. 2023CV382670, 7/20/23)   Over 90% Of Willis’s Contributions Came From Out Of State Donors. “Despite the District Attorney being a state prosecutor in a single-county circuit, less than 8% of her donations came from Georgians. The other 92% were from 45 other states.” (Amended Complaint, No. 2023CV382670, 7/20/23)   A Family Steeped In Hate   Fani Willis Is The Daughter Of A Former Black Panther. “The daughter of a former Black Panther who recently retired as a criminal defense lawyer, the Inglewood, Calif.-born Willis would go along when her father went to court on Saturday mornings. The judge who oversaw the Saturday courtroom, an older white man, was, according to Willis, known to be mean. But each week, he had Willis, too young to stay home alone or to hear the details her father needed to discuss with clients, sit next to him on the elevated dais, the two whispering back and forth. One day, Willis’ father asked her what on earth they talked about.” (Time Magazine, 9/28/21)   “Fani has a seemingly proud family background as an African-American woman. As what can now be considered a conscious foreshadowing to her future endeavors, she describes her Swahili name’s intended meaning, saying: “My name is actually Fani (fah-nee), Taifa is my middle name, and my last name is Willis. So, my father was a Black Panther, so he was very Afrocentric… my name is Swahili. Fani actually means ‘prosperous,’ and Taifa means ‘people’.” (Fulton County Government Website, 1/4/21)   Fani Willis’s Investigation Has Been Compromised By Unethical Conduct And Political Bias.   Fulton County Judge Described The Grand Jury Investigation As “One-Sided” With “Very Limited Due Process.” The Fulton County Superior Court Judge ordered that any of the Grand Jury’s recommendations on who might be prosecuted must remain secret for now since the grand jury investigation was “one-sided” and there was “very limited due process” for the people whom the grand jury recommended charges. (Fox News, 2/25/23; Fox News, 2/13/23)   Willis’s Investigation Lasted Over Two And A Half Years, Suspiciously Long, And Timed To Interfere With The 2024 Presidential Election.   Legal Analyst Elie Honig Stated “I Know Investigations Take Time. This Should Not Have Taken Two And A Half Plus Years.” (CNN, 4/24/23)   An Earlier Grand Jury’s Foreman, Emily Kohrs Went On A Days-Long, Bizarre Media Tour Hinting At The Grand Jury’s Potential Criminal Indictment Of President Trump.   Kohrs Spoke To The Associated Press, The New York Times, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, And Gave Lengthy Interviews With NBC And CNN. (Fox News, 3/27/23)   Even Left-Wing Media Outlets Criticized The Grand Jury Foreman’s Behavior.   CNN legal analyst Elie Honig called the grand jury foreman’s media appearances a “prosecutor’s nightmare.” Honig noted, "We're talking about taking away somebody's liberty. She doesn't seem to be taking this very seriously." (CNN, 2/22/23) CNN’s liberal anchor, Anderson Cooper agreed, "First of all, why this person is talking on TV? I do not understand," Cooper said. "She's clearly enjoying herself. But, I mean, is this responsible? She was the foreperson of this grand jury!" (Fox News, 2/25/23)     Willis Has A Troubling History Of Politically-Motivated Decisions.   Willis Refused To Prosecute Abortion Cases After Roe V. Wade Was Overturned, Putting Her Personal Political Agenda Above The Rule Of Law. (Atlanta Journal-Constitution, 6/24/22)   Under Fani Willis, Violent Crime Exploded In Atlanta.   In 2021, Atlanta Murders Increased 60% Compared To 2020, Making It One Of The Highest In The Nation. “Murders in Atlanta have spiked nearly 60% year to date, with almost two dozen more killings reported so far compared to 2020’s statistics, police department data shows.” (Fox News, 6/14/21)   Since 2019, Homicides In Atlanta Are Up 71%. (Atlanta Police Department; Atlanta Journal-Constitution, 12/19/22) Homicides In Atlanta Increased For The Third Straight Year In 2022, Approaching A 30-Year High. (Fox5 Atlanta, 1/6/23) Burglaries, Car Theft, And Shoplifting Also Increased Last Year. (Atlanta Police Department)   Willis Hid A Prior Relationship With A Member Of A Gang She Was Prosecuting   Willis Was The Lawyer For A YSL Gang Co-Founder In 2019 In An Aggravated Assault Case. “Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis has built a reputation as a tough-on-crime prosecutor eager to fill Atlanta prisons through sweeping indictments. But YSL Mondo, who co-founded the Young Stoner Life music crew with Young Thug in the early 2010s, tells Rolling Stone that the Fani Willis he sees on TV isn't the same woman who served as his defense attorney in 2019 during an aggravated assault case.” (RollingStone, 1/25/23)       Mondo Said That Willis Was A “Great Attorney” And That They Shared A “Cool Relationship.” “Mondo says that Willis was a "great attorney" for him, getting his aggravated assault charge dropped to a lesser one and having him sentenced to "a program" in lieu of prison time. He says that even after his sentence, she worked to get him an early release from the program due to COVID. And beyond her casework, he says that the two shared a "cool relationship," with her being aware of his rap career and even using it in her defense. That's why the YSL indictment is surprising to Mondo. "That's not her character," he contends. "She's almost like, not really street, but she understands what goes on, bro. She understands life to a certain degree. She ain't trying to take all these little Black dudes down. She ain't that type of woman, man. I'm telling you, she's not.” (Rolling Stone, 1/25/23)     Willis Was Accused Of Falsifying A Subpoena In 2022   In 2022, Willis Was Accused Of Prosecutorial Misconduct And Abuse Of Grand Jury Power. HEADLINE: “(Exclusive Details) Young Thug’s Lawyer Seeks To Have RICO Case Tossed On Technicality, Accuses DA Of Prosecutorial Misconduct, Abuse Of Grand Jury Power.’ (The Shade Room, 11/9/22)   Willis Was Accused Of Filing ‘Sham’ And ‘Fake’ Grand Jury Subpoenas. ‘Young Thug‘s lawyers are looking to have his RICO case dismissed based on a technicality, accusing the district attorney of filing ‘sham’ and ‘fake’ grand jury subpoenas as the rap star continues to languish in Georgia’s Cobb County Jail, The Shade Room can exclusively report. Last Thursday (Nov. 3), Brian Steel of The Steel Law Firm, who is representing Thugger, filed a motion to dismiss all charges against their client on grounds of prosecutors abusing ‘it’s authority by utilizing a sham Grand Jury Subpoena.’” (The Shade Room, 11/9/22)

 

[texasdago 7549]

F all that 

[Biff Tannen 45468]

yay I finally get to use it

[David Dennison 18561]

28 minutes ago, Native Horn said:

How very onomatopoeia of you.

BOOM!

[Bama Chick 28596]

lol

[atomheartbevo 89348]

3 hours ago, GhostOfTomJoad said:

So Phil Waldron is a retired Army colonel, aggie, and a Trumpkin? Isn't that the trifecta for Maga?

He really needed to be a Lt. Colonel though for it to be perfect.  Lt. Col. means he just put his 20 years in and then couldn't advance and he knew it.

Being a Colonel means he accomplished something.  

[TwiceHorn 31167]

9 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

lol
 

 

 

Meh on Christie of course, but that's the kind of response trump needs more often. 

[DDD Dad 14146]

10 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

lol
 

[nbmishoid 927]

2 hours ago, hayden_horn said:

i mean, we all really know it when we think about it, but it's alarming that draft anythings can be used against anyone. i draft many posts in this here computer machine that i deem too nasty or whatever to actually hit "submit." 

thought is not a crime. thinking a thing is not a crime. drafting a thing (and not sending it) is along the lines of thinking a thing, imo. 

edit: please note i'm not talking about submitting a thing and later deleting it after people have seen it. that's called "regret" and it's a different thing altogether.

Sure.  It’s the actions, later, that are the crimes.   And the draft speaks to planning, premeditation, etc, important ancillaries to the crimes.  Engineer view here, not law dog.

[TwiceHorn 31167]

1 hour ago, DDD Dad said:

That meme never fails to crack me up.   Something about the Hardy Boys/encyclopedia brown imagery I think.  And of course the woke engine. 

ETA:

This mass airflow sensor is woke.

Edited August 15, 2023 by TwiceHorn

[Red Five 40592]

I like how Dotard shit on Christie for being involved in a scandal. 

[Biff Tannen 45468]

1 hour ago, Red Five said:

I like how Dotard shit on Christie for being involved in a scandal. 

I like how his cult is too stupid to understand the irony.  

[Francisco 2.0 32290]

Meadows counsel has gone public with the moving to federal court defense:

 

 

 

 

 

[Francisco 2.0 32290]

And, on cue:

 

 

 

 

[Js1 85048]

1 minute ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

And, on cue:

 

 

 

 

[Francisco 2.0 32290]

 

 

 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33806]

9 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

And, on cue:

 

 

 

 

I hear them saying it in Beavis and Butthead voices

[Constant 6716]

2 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Well, that's one way to tell us you don't plan to vote GQP anymore.

Haha I would never cast a vote for anyone near Q or todays GOP. They stand for everything that I am against. They lost their way a long time ago and have only become more extreme. 

[atomheartbevo 89348]

3 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

Let's say @atomheartbevo is right and 98% of these chodes are just keyboard warriors.  Even if they lose and don't do much, I don't think they are going away.  They will (along with their moron reps) just gear back up for the next election.  A good amount of them will die off, but there are also some youngins that are part of the cult.  I think this will be a problem for the foreseeable future.

Will the ones who weren't voting before Trump came along, still continue to bother going to the polls when Trump is out of the running for whatever reason?  DeSantis, Cruz, Christie, etc. are not able to tap into the shit within them that Trump was able to tap into. Trump is dumb as fuck on a lot of things, but he expertly played these MAGA idiots.  DeSantis, Christie, Cruz, etc. simply don't have that ability.

And there's going to be the question of whether or not the GOP will do enough to help Trump - he's already starting to try and destroy Republicans who had supported him, but who aren't willing to 100% defend him on these indictments. As this goes on, I think a schism will grow between MAGA and the more mainstream GOP types like Kemp, Christie, Youngkin, etc. because Trump is going to take the party down with him if at all possible - if he can't have it, Christie, Kemp, etc. can't have it.

Basically, Trump isn't somebody like Mitch McConnell who is concerned with legacy and lasting GOP policies, he's concerned with himself in the here and now, and gives no fucks what happens to the GOP after he's gone, because in Trump's eyes, he IS the GOP.