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https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/24/co-defendant-georgia-trump-indictment-00112932

 

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Shawn Still, a Georgia Republican charged alongside former President Donald Trump in a racketeering conspiracy to subvert the 2020 election, says he signed false papers claiming to be a legitimate presidential elector at Trump’s direction.

“Mr. Still, as a presidential elector, was also acting at the direction of the incumbent president of the United States,” his attorney Thomas Bever argued Thursday in a court filing seeking to transfer the case against him to federal court. “The president’s attorneys instructed Mr. Still and the other contingent electors that they had to meet and cast their ballots on Dec. 14, 2020.”

 

 

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In the weeks after his defeat at the polls to Joe Biden, Trump and his campaign urged state and national GOP officials to assemble slates of would-be presidential electors in seven states where Trump had filed legal challenges to the results. Campaign attorneys and a cadre of outside lawyers — including several charged alongside Trump in the indictment — argued that those activists should meet and cast electoral votes on Trump’s behalf on the same day the legitimate presidential electors met to vote for Biden.

 

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Though the Trump campaign’s attorneys told many of them that the effort was necessary to preserve Trump’s chances to prevail in ongoing legal challenges, Trump eventually used the existence of these illegitimate slates to provoke a controversy on Jan. 6, 2021, pressuring then-Vice President Mike Pence to recognize and count the unofficial electoral votes instead of Biden’s. Prosecutors in those states and Washington, D.C., have scrutinized the false electors in numerous criminal probes. In Michigan, all 16 false electors were recently charged with felonies for their role in the effort.

 

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Still’s argument is part of an effort to pluck his case out of the state courts and instead have his legal fate decided by a federal judge in the Northern District of Georgia. He contends that because Trump effectively instructed him to cast the ballot — based in part on legal advice from campaign and party lawyers — he was acting with the imprimatur of the federal government. That entitles him to immunity from state prosecution under the Constitution’s Supremacy Clause, he says.

Still, who took office as a state senator in January, aligned his argument closely with co-defendant David Shafer, a former chair of the Georgia GOP who also served as a false elector on Trump’s behalf in December 2020. Like Still, Shafer is seeking to transfer his charges to federal court, arguing that the advice of Trump campaign attorneys was consistent with historical precedents and federal procedures.

“Mr. Shafer and the other Republican Electors in the 2020 election acted at the direction of the incumbent President and other federal officials,” Shafer’s attorney wrote in a petition seeking to move the Fulton County case to federal court.

A third false elector, Cathleen Latham, is also charged in the indictment.

The arguments by Still and Shafer underscore the tensions and cracks likely to emerge among the 19 defendants. Both men laid their decisions primarily at the feet of Trump and his attorneys for devising and blessing the false-elector gambit. Evidence amassed by the Jan. 6 select committee — as well as special counsel Jack Smith — revealed that Trump called RNC chair Ronna McDaniel a week before the Dec. 14 vote and put her on the phone with attorney John Eastman, a key driver of the false elector effort, to emphasize the importance of assembling the “alternative” slates.

The bids by Shafer and Still have been less prominent than similar efforts by Mark Meadows, Trump’s former chief of staff, and Jeffrey Clark, a former Justice Department official, both of whom made failed emergency efforts to prevent the Fulton County district attorney from arresting them.

U.S. District Court Judge Steve Jones has set an Aug. 28 evidentiary hearing to consider Meadows’ effort and a Sept. 18 hearing to consider Clark’s.

 

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16 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

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Still’s argument is part of an effort to pluck his case out of the state courts and instead have his legal fate decided by a federal judge in the Northern District of Georgia. He contends that because Trump effectively instructed him to cast the ballot — based in part on legal advice from campaign and party lawyers — he was acting with the imprimatur of the federal government. That entitles him to immunity from state prosecution under the Constitution’s Supremacy Clause, he says.

Still, who took office as a state senator in January, aligned his argument closely with co-defendant David Shafer, a former chair of the Georgia GOP who also served as a false elector on Trump’s behalf in December 2020. Like Still, Shafer is seeking to transfer his charges to federal court, arguing that the advice of Trump campaign attorneys was consistent with historical precedents and federal procedures.

“Mr. Shafer and the other Republican Electors in the 2020 election acted at the direction of the incumbent President and other federal officials,” Shafer’s attorney wrote in a petition seeking to move the Fulton County case to federal court.

A third false elector, Cathleen Latham, is also charged in the indictment.

The arguments by Still and Shafer underscore the tensions and cracks likely to emerge among the 19 defendants. Both men laid their decisions primarily at the feet of Trump and his attorneys for devising and blessing the false-elector gambit. Evidence amassed by the Jan. 6 select committee — as well as special counsel Jack Smith — revealed that Trump called RNC chair Ronna McDaniel a week before the Dec. 14 vote and put her on the phone with attorney John Eastman, a key driver of the false elector effort, to emphasize the importance of assembling the “alternative” slates.

The bids by Shafer and Still have been less prominent than similar efforts by Mark Meadows, Trump’s former chief of staff, and Jeffrey Clark, a former Justice Department official, both of whom made failed emergency efforts to prevent the Fulton County district attorney from arresting them.

U.S. District Court Judge Steve Jones has set an Aug. 28 evidentiary hearing to consider Meadows’ effort and a Sept. 18 hearing to consider Clark’s.

 

 

 

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[The Dog 43,794]

4 hours ago, Fastbreak said:

If you are rich as fuck, why would you pay someone 20% to post your bail? Just asking questions…

 

[CooterBrown 17,904]

55 minutes ago, Genco said:

If the trial occurs after the election, the PAC doesn't have the use of the $200k for the campaign. It'll be sitting on Rice St. earning 0%. 

If he uses Four Seasons Bail Bonds, the PAC will still have $180k available to spend prior to November 2024.

$200K is a rounding error in a presidential election war chest.  He's already grifted all the money from the PAC and there are no funds to write a check against.

Edited August 25, 2023 by CooterBrown

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$200k for a billionaire would be like me dropping a $20. Why even bother messing with a bonds.... person?

[The Dog 43,794]

20 minutes ago, CooterBrown said:

$200K is a rounding error in a presidential election war chest.  He's already grifted all the money from the PAC and there are no funds to write a check against.

 

1 minute ago, Red Five said:

$200k for a billionaire would be like me dropping a $20. Why even bother messing with a bonds.... person?

Occam's Razor says the PAC is now broke.

[MissingInAction 24,811]

[The Dog 43,794]

if you're wondering why Zillow is trending:

(someone is moving assets off of the books)

[MissingInAction 24,811]

 

 

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13 hours ago, TexArcher said:

I am 6' 3" and about 210.

I once got up to 245.

I have never, ever been anywhere near as fat as Donald Trump.

Exactly the same here. When I was at 245, I was fat AF and still looked nowhere near as fat as that motherfucker. I'm 210 now, still need to lose 5-10, and I'm a rail compared to that guy. 

[Macanudo 12,925]

3 minutes ago, MissingInAction said:

 

 

Fake but still funny.

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10 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Exactly the same here. When I was at 245, I was fat AF and still looked nowhere near as fat as that motherfucker. I'm 210 now, still need to lose 5-10, and I'm a rail compared to that guy. 

The Trump you saw sitting in the box at the New Jersey Generals' games was probably 215. Maybe 215.

[WhatTheBuck 28,705]

According to the graphic I saw on the news this morning, Kanye’s publicist and the pastor are the only ones who haven’t turned themselves in yet. Is that correct?

[Francisco 2.0 32,318]

RE: Trump's weight

It's 24 lbs lighter than he was listed in one of his Whitehouse annual physicals.

 

 

 

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Oh wow, I just realized Willis is talking about October 23rd of THIS YEAR.  I just assumed it was 2024 and she was doing it to fuck with him right before the election.  But damn.

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23 minutes ago, The Dog said:

if you're wondering why Zillow is trending:

(someone is moving assets off of the books)

You know how much coke you could trade this dump for, Jr?

 

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6 hours ago, Fastbreak said:

If you are rich as fuck, why would you pay someone 20% to post your bail? Just asking questions…

I bet he sold the rights for his bail to the highest bidder.

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12,301]

42 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

 

I think this is very important for people to think about. There are a most certainly millions of American cowards that support Donald Trump, root for the disintegration of everything it means to be an American, etc. But they aren't willing to risk their careers and lives to fight for that hate-filled future. The successful prosecution of the insurrections has had a chilling effect on these cowards. 

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4 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

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How the fuck has chicos bail bonds not been meme’d up 

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38 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

You know how much coke you could trade this dump for, Jr?

 

I think he's gonna hold on to it for awhile.  I mean, the place looks a lot like Pacino's palace in "Scarface."  We should get on some memes of Don, Jr. sitting at Mar-a-Lago with a huge pile of blow in front of him, shouting "Say hello to my little friend!" when Eric suddenly pops out, "You talking about me, bro?"  But yeah, even with friendly lenders still dumb enough to fall for Trump family bullshit, where'd Don, Jr. get the $84 million for the down payment?  That's not the kind of high-profile transaction you can just conveniently get the equity for from some shady donor or foreign government.  Every dollar at closing will be scrutinized by the media and government within an inch of its life.  And then, because of this timeline, it'll turn up later that Junior made a phone call for a $84mm bridge loan from Iran with a note enclosed saying "Thank your dad for the documents for us, enjoy the new house!"

26 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

I bet he sold the rights for his bail to the highest bidder.

The only other instance of selling your naming rights to a bondsman was my friend Freddie "Chico" Prinze.  But like water, steaks, vodka, wine, casinos, football franchises, and democracies, Trump would find a way of driving this business model into the fucking ground.  

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1 hour ago, The Dog said:

if you're wondering why Zillow is trending:

(someone is moving assets off of the books)

This.  He's going to shift a bunch of assets to his minions, then file another bankruptcy.  It'll be a while. I'm predicting shortly after the election next year, if he loses.  If he wins, all this stuff is coming back to him. 

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14 minutes ago, bluto said:

How the fuck has chicos bail bonds not been meme’d up 

 I know, dammit.  It was literally my first thought, ahead of even "appropriate the civil war will begin in Atlanta."  

I mean fucking Lupus looks exactly like Eric Trump.  Instead of the jersey saying "Let Freedom Ring", it could be "Let Freedom Rot"  There's tons of merch opportunities between the hats and jerseys.  And the outlaw Kelly Leak character (played by the great Jackie Earl Haley) has a number of possibilities within the Trump crime world.  

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1 hour ago, WhatTheBuck said:

According to the graphic I saw on the news this morning, Kanye’s publicist and the pastor are the only ones who haven’t turned themselves in yet. Is that correct?

The priest arrived in his collar.

I can’t help but notice a similarity in Trump’s weight and two presumptive OSU QBs.

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I'm about 6 feet 190 and fairly wiry. There is a 0 percent chance that Dotard is three inches taller than me and only 25 lbs heavier.

I might buy 220 or so if he were 5'10". 

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9 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

 If he wins, all this stuff is coming back to him. 

Junior: Hey Dad. Remember when I was growing up you told me never to trust anyone, even you?

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4 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

Junior: Hey Dad. Remember when I was growing up you told me never to trust anyone, even you?

I was just thinking how funny it would be if Jr. figured out he's finished and began eviction proceedings.  

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3 hours ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

I think this is very important for people to think about. There are a most certainly millions of American cowards that support Donald Trump, root for the disintegration of everything it means to be an American, etc. But they aren't willing to risk their careers and lives to fight for that hate-filled future. The successful prosecution of the insurrections has had a chilling effect on these cowards. 

I think this is true and somewhat encouraging regarding the lengths that the MAGA/Anti-republic mob will go in terms of violence. The mad fervor and misplaced confidence that millions would rise up have clearly been diminished. 

Still, the large plurality that will turn out to vote for Trump or whatever demagogue who may manage to take over the reins remains a great concern. We may have dodged the bullet, but the ballet remains an existencial threat to the republic. 

It's an irony wrapped in a non-sequitur penned by an oxy moron.

Edited August 25, 2023 by RomaVicta

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9 hours ago, Horn Dogg said:

There’s a whole thread on that.  In short she’s the type you fuck and run when you’re done!

My Brother in Christ--they're all that type.

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28 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

This.  He's going to shift a bunch of assets to his minions,

This isn't legal, is it?  I got sued once and the first thing my attorney told me was "don't try to park or hide any assets".

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1 hour ago, Macanudo said:

Fake but still funny.

You don't say

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17 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

I was just thinking how funny it would be if Jr. figured out he's finished and began eviction proceedings.  

Well yeah. You would do the same if the tenant kept stiffing you on rent. 

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1 hour ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

RE: Trump's weight

It's 24 lbs lighter than he was listed in one of his Whitehouse annual physicals.

 

 

 

*googles Luke Keuchely*

[Rimbo 25,773]

4 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Macanudo said:

Fake but still funny.

 

It's a very good fake.

 

37 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

This.  He's going to shift a bunch of assets to his minions, then file another bankruptcy.  It'll be a while. I'm predicting shortly after the election next year, if he loses.  If he wins, all this stuff is coming back to him. 

 

Pretty sure this is part of his standard playbook, and if this were a civil case... it might just work. But the governments of Georgia and the US aren't looking to get a big settlement in exchange to make this go away. They want his hide.

And last...

[BamaATL 16,592]

8 minutes ago, Superhero said:

Well yeah. You would do the same if the tenant kept stiffing you on rent. 

Actually, I'm pretty patient with my tenants.  It's a tricky balance finding people that more or less pay you (albeit never on time) but still make horrible long term financial decisions, and just straight up deadbeats.  One wants to keep the former if possible.  

 

13 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

This isn't legal, is it?  I got sued once and the first thing my attorney told me was "don't try to park or hide any assets".

That would be sound legal advice, which is why Trump is doing the exact opposite.  

My guess is that he is moving assets and going to declare because of his coming due civil exposure to lawsuits, a la the Capitol Cops case.   I'm guessing clawblacks can be done, but it will just take longer.  Not to mention, I've never bought the billionaire shit, I don't think he was ever worth more than 200-300 million in the last 10 years.  If I list all my assets, but don't list any of my debt responsibilities I'm sure my balance sheet would look amazing.   It wouldn't be true, but in Trump world, that is wealth generation baby!

Edited August 25, 2023 by BamaATL

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5 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

 

 

 

It's a very good fake.

 

 

Pretty sure this is part of his standard playbook, and if this were a civil case... it might just work. But the governments of Georgia and the US aren't looking to get a big settlement in exchange to make this go away. They want his hide.

And last...

I like the connective thinking behind this and love Kubrick.  But the flaw here is the "stare" is when a recently normal (or who appeared/acted normal) character finally breaks and gets violent.  Trump is doing it in reverse.  He's already shown himself to be capable of inciting violence and acting erratically, he's doing it in the wrong order.  You see America, we build to that.

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2 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

I like the connective thinking behind this and love Kubrick.  But the flaw here is the "stare" is when a recently normal (or who appeared/acted normal) character finally breaks and gets violent.  Trump is doing it in reverse.  He's already shown himself to be capable of inciting violence and acting erratically, he's doing it in the wrong order.  You see America, we build to that.

Eh, you're looking for more meaning than is there. The joke/point is that Trump looks like a psycho in his mugshot.

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On 8/24/2023 at 9:32 AM, BamaATL said:

This guy is kind of famous around here, handles a lot of rap stars cases (I don't think he's in on the other rico case though).  Took a $3 million non refundable retainer from Trump knowing that Trump wouldn't listen and would violate the terms of their agreement and subsequently default.  It would appear that he made a smart move.  

circling back to this, but I saw a clip where Findling was on MSNBC and he refused to answer a question whether Trump won or lost Georgia. 

Bet that Trump was mad that he didn't repeat the election lie and fired him for it.

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33 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

Eh, you're looking for more meaning than is there. The joke/point is that Trump looks like a psycho in his mugshot.

I’m looking for more meaning to avoid realizing the joke is on my country.  And it’s not funny.  It’s terrifying.  $20 says Rudy pulls a private Pyle and eats a round 

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1 minute ago, YGIFS said:

I’m looking for more meaning to avoid realizing the joke is on my country.  And it’s not funny.  It’s terrifying.  $20 says Rudy pulls a private Pyle and eats a round 

If he does I think he will miss and we will have a Van Gogh, and then we will have have Rudy in court minus an ear.  Actually, if I were to pick one that will off them self, my money would be on Ellis.  Anyone posing like they are in a yearbook photo at their own rico mugshot hasn't put together just how fucked they are.  If it does dawn on her how bad it is, she strikes me as the type.  

I also think of those not yet indicted, but it's coming, Roger Stone is the one to be found in a bath tub a la Frankie Pentangeli.  

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3 hours ago, Red Five said:

$200k for a billionaire would be like me dropping a $20. Why even bother messing with a bonds.... person?

Are we comparing solvent you to solvent Trump, or solvent you to broke Trump?

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That mugshot is quite the legacy.  

[jimmyjazz 45,546]

"Pissed off and angry".

Oh Ted, you have such a pretty mouth.  For an allegedly smart guy, you don't write so well.

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1 hour ago, BamaATL said:

Actually, I'm pretty patient with my tenants.  It's a tricky balance finding people that more or less pay you (albeit never on time) but still make horrible long term financial decisions, and just straight up deadbeats.  One wants to keep the former if possible.  

I know I was wrong and I know you need the rent, but if you can give me credit for it I'll swap you this sofa from th'smokin' room.

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