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[WhatTheBuck 28,703]

1 hour ago, skeeter said:

I interpreted it as Trump behind bars ...

I get the symbolism. I just don’t like the juxtaposition. Everything about him offends me. 

[Gatorubet 30,083]

4 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

I ain’t gonna lie. That is some quality ink.

[YGIFS 19,449]

45 minutes ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

Hey, the Lobos only vote Republican for judges, so it's all good. Fuck the GOP from soup to nuts

I don’t know if you ever read ballots, but a lot of judicial races are between two republicans in Texas.  So by voting for the least shitty one, I’ve voted for a Republican judge.  Well go over primary ballots some other time but some years I pull Rep, others I pull Dem depending on what’s competitive.  Wasn’t my idea 

[WhatTheBuck 28,703]

[TwiceHorn 31,240]

10 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

Aileen Cannon Working Hard to Protect Stan Woodward; Doing Nothing to Protect Walt Nauta or Carlos de Oliveira:

 

Eh.  It's strange, sure enough, for what ought to be a fairly routine matter.

In the end though she granted the right to a file a sur-reply.  Big fucking deal.

One irony, that shows Woodward has a cunt streak is that the government objected to the sur-reply. He bitched a blue streak about that.  That after Trumpco similarly objected to a reply on the trial scheduling issue in DC.

There's no big urgency here.  The government alleges that the actual conflict doesn't arise until trial, when Taveras testifies against Nauta.  It may be interesting what happens at any Garcia hearing, given what happened with Taveras, but I don't think there's any reason to believe Nauta will flip, he's a true believer.

Woodward appears to be pissing down his leg on this, mostly because the government did everything pretty much correctly, but got the unsealing orders ex parte, so Woodward was unaware.  Inasmuch as no witness has the right to counsel at a grand jury hearing, I'm not sure there's anything wrong with such ex parte filings.  But, the government can let a lawyer's nose into the tent, and that appears to have happened here.  Not sure what their obligations are here.

The signal even that seems to have led to this is Cannon's striking of the sealed filings accompanying the Garcia motion, which largely explain everything.  She said "The Special Counsel states in conclusory terms that the supplement should be sealed from public view “to comport with grand jury secrecy,” but the motion for leave and the supplement plainly fail to satisfy the burden of establishing a sufficient legal or factual basis to warrant sealing the motion and supplement."

That baffles me.  I am not sure what kind of showing one needs to make when the items filed bear the style and case number of the grand jury proceeding and orders of the DC court permitting disclosure.  And Rule 6, Fed. R. Crim. P.. makes it pretty clear that shit is to remain sealed and undisclosed until order of the judge presiding over the grand jury.  Maybe it was the fact that the DC court's order permitted public disclosure.

None of this really advantages Trump in any way.  It'a a sideshow.  But it seems to show that she is kind of a dipshit.

Edited August 27, 2023 by TwiceHorn

[Genco 3,038]

13 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Woodward appears to be pissing down his leg on this, mostly because the government did everything pretty much correctly, but got the unsealing orders ex parte, so Woodward was unaware.  Inasmuch as no witness has the right to counsel at a grand jury hearing, I'm not sure there's anything wrong with such ex parte filings.  But, the government can let a lawyer's nose into the tent, and that appears to have happened here.  Not sure what their obligations are here.

[brown water 3,761]

9 hours ago, MissingInAction said:

ComPlain! ComPlain! 

[TwiceHorn 31,240]

1 minute ago, Genco said:

The whole mess is unduly complicated and Aileen Cannon is a complicating factor.

Woodward is also taking pretty indiscriminate shots at the government that are proving to be factually unfounded.  That should start to hurt his credibility at some point.

[Js1 85,085]

18 minutes ago, Genco said:

Oh thank god, I wasn’t sure if it was just me being high or what

[Francisco 2.0 32,313]

 

 

 

[jimmyjazz 45,538]

All "profits".  lulz.  I'd like to see that accounting.

[Pato del Muerto 52,336]

22 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

 

Mostly black, white, and red. Inching toward their preferred, and a historically well known, brand palette. 

[Post Oak 20,182]

Isn't he currently free? MAGA rubes and their money tho.

[Stilicho 1,397]

27 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

 

And every one of them will have a Made in China tag stitched on the inside. Totes 'Murica!

[Horndog 2,218]

38 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

 

If they are "Free Trump Flags" how can there be profits?

[hookemATL 11,602]

It’s a typo. 
 

[Gatorubet 30,083]

1 hour ago, Genco said:

Twice is saying that the dual-facing himidragons might be a Spitzfaden lateral away from a stasis-bending enfilade.  

We are waiting for the more ancient third-degree Mandarins to examine Cannon’s stool samples.  Then we may know. 

[Beau Vine 53,978]

Well, just then, this little apprentice leaned over and said, “You can’t work on a Findlay sprinkler head with a Langstrom 7″ wrench.

[Pato del Muerto 52,336]

8 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

Twice is saying that the dual-facing himidragons might be a Spitzfaden lateral away from a stasis-bending enfilade.  

We are waiting for the more ancient third-degree Mandarins to examine Cannon’s stool samples.  Then we may know. 

[NWBuck 8,547]

1 hour ago, Horndog said:

If they are "Free Trump Flags" how can there be profits?

[RDCanecutter 26,246]

11 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

 

Yes but also 36 stars so not our flag

The Dutchman messed that up but it's still a better flag painting than most. We got correct number of stripes at least. Can't count how many times I've seen some hokey artsy-crafty flag with maybe half that many stripes.

[RDCanecutter 26,246]

9 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

 

Yes please, more boat parades.

[GhostOfTomJoad 9,306]

5 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

Yes please, more boat parades.

Unfortunately due to the drought, Lake Travis is too low for a repeat of this glorious debacle.

[RDCanecutter 26,246]

2 minutes ago, GhostOfTomJoad said:

Unfortunately due to the drought, Lake Travis is too low for a repeat of this glorious debacle.

 

They can always come back to the dock.

[locodos 5,330]

On 8/25/2023 at 11:18 AM, TheStoicPaisano said:

The priest came arrived in his collar.

More than likely

[RomaVicta 29,769]

12 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

I get the symbolism. I just don’t like the juxtaposition. Everything about him offends me. 

Our flag and the "republic for which it stands" begin to offend me. The flag begins to represent the toxic self-deceit that we use to ignore or justify our every bad act.

[Sawbonz 27,392]

18 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

I think the problem here is that the magats, and a lot of other Rs (so basically all of them), don’t even know what government is supposed to do or be about. Civics is a completely foreign concept to them and politics are just another form of entertainment. It’s all just happening on tv and doesn’t affect them. 

“ our favorite president golfed today, as per usual“

[Pato del Muerto 52,336]

He took many important tee shots and made many important putts

[Sawbonz 27,392]

14 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

 

Yes but also 36 stars so not our flag

Which states did they leave off (besides Missourah)

 

11 hours ago, Horndog said:

If they are "Free Trump Flags" how can there be profits?

*just pay shipping and handling 

[Surly Bevo 24,692]

He took many important tee shots and made many important putts

Made?

[Tigersnake 670]

1 minute ago, Surly Bevo said:

Made?

you know that fat fuck picks up anything inside of 15 feet.

[tx 3 putt 76,296]

1 hour ago, Tigersnake said:

you know that fat fuck picks up anything inside of 15 feet.

he drives his fucking cart on the greens 

[WhatTheBuck 28,703]

3 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

Our flag and the "republic for which it stands" begin to offend me. The flag begins to represent the toxic self-deceit that we use to ignore or justify our every bad act.

I’m not ready for people like Trump and his ilk — the white supremacists, the fascists, the neo-Confederates, the religious bigots — to redefine what America represents or stands for. I’m still dedicated to the proposition that all people are created equal and the resolution that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth. That’s the America I pledge my allegiance to and I’m proud to do it  

I’m offended by the corruption of the pledge by the insertion of the words “under god.” It’s more meaningful without them and I don’t recognize them. I think they should be officially removed. “One nation indivisible” is a more powerful expression and it looks to me like there a lot of Americans who could use a reminder. I think some might forget how recently the change was made.

 

[Chad Fuck 17,548]

I’m not ready for people like Trump and his ilk — the white supremacists, the fascists, the neo-Confederates, the religious bigots — to redefine what America represents or stands for. I’m still dedicated to the proposition that all people are created equal and the resolution that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth. That’s the America I pledge my allegiance to and I’m proud to do it  
I’m offended by the corruption of the pledge by the insertion of the words “under god.” It’s more meaningful without them and I don’t recognize them. I think they should be officially removed. “One nation indivisible” is a more powerful expression and it looks to me like there a lot of Americans who could use a reminder. I think some might forget how recently the change was made.
 

Exactly.

Why should I change? They’re the ones who suck.

[NWBuck 8,547]

3 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

I’m offended by the corruption of the pledge by the insertion of the words “under god.” It’s more meaningful without them and I don’t recognize them. I think they should be officially removed. “One nation indivisible” is a more powerful expression and it looks to me like there a lot of Americans who could use a reminder. I think some might forget how recently the change was made.

I'd be ok with a compromise on the 'one nation' part... You wanna be 'under' something? 

 

 

[RomaVicta 29,769]

41 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

I’m not ready for people like Trump and his ilk — the white supremacists, the fascists, the neo-Confederates, the religious bigots — to redefine what America represents or stands for.

I think that's true for everybody including many of the Trumpists who would fail to recognize that they're doing what they're doing.

Dealing with Trumpists is more akin to cancer than armed conflict. The cancer is attached and pervasive. You can try the chemotherapy of logic, facts, and debate to separate the less malignant carcinomas. After that, the best chance for cure is mortally risky excision.

I can't think of any other cures, and that depresses me.

[Pato del Muerto 52,336]

3 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

I think that's true for everybody including many of the Trumpists who would fail to recognize that they're doing what they're doing.

Dealing with Trumpists is more akin to cancer than armed conflict. The cancer is attached and pervasive. You can try the chemotherapy of logic, facts, and debate to separate the less malignant carcinomas. After that, the best chance for cure is mortally risky excision.

I can't think of any other cures, and that depresses me.

Ahem…”targeted therapeutics”

[Brisketexan 104,537]

Ahem…”targeted therapeutics”

If by “targeted therapeutics,” you mean “when they attempt more violent terrorism, shoot them with a belt-fed .50 cal,” I agree.

[RDCanecutter 26,246]

1 hour ago, RomaVicta said:

I think that's true for everybody including many of the Trumpists who would fail to recognize that they're doing what they're doing.

Dealing with Trumpists is more akin to cancer than armed conflict. The cancer is attached and pervasive. You can try the chemotherapy of logic, facts, and debate to separate the less malignant carcinomas. After that, the best chance for cure is mortally risky excision.

I can't think of any other cures, and that depresses me.

I agree with all of that except for most of it. These people are not a cancer. They are people. Dumbass people. You knock one of them upside the head once in a while, maybe literally, more likely by running their bank accounts into the ground for stupid shit they did, half of them see Bucky lose his truck and stfu. Then you repeat.

And eventually we all shuffle off this mortal coil and MOST of everybody's kids are one notch less horrid than a 1960s Wallace voter.

Edited August 28, 2023 by RDCanecutter

[Chewbacca 7,729]

Exactly.

Why should I change? They’re the ones who suck.

It's not my fault Michael Bolton is a no talent assclown.

[Serak The Preparer 3,424]

On 8/26/2023 at 6:59 PM, TwiceHorn said:

Woodward is also taking pretty indiscriminate shots at the government that are proving to be factually unfounded.  That should start to hurt his credibility at some point.

Come on Twice, at least tell us to sit down first. I damn near broke my ass falling down at the mere possibility of a Trump lawyer hurting his credibility. Heaven forfend!

[TwiceHorn 31,240]

So, more fun on removal of criminal actions to federal courts.  The ND Ga district judge has taken up Meadows' petition for removal pretty swiftly, holding a hearing on it Monday, considerably swifter than SD NY on Trump's similar motion from Manhattan.

Meadows seems perhaps to have a better claim, initially, to all of his activities giving rise to the indictment being fully within the scope of his federal office as White House Chief of Staff, who does a little bit of everything.

But he made an interesting concession in his petition to remove:

all the substantive allegations in the Indictment concern unquestionably political activity.

That maybe was aimed at cloaking the activities with First Amendment protections.  But he has run afoul of the Hatch Act:

(a)Subject to the provisions of subsection (b), an employee may take an active part in political management or in political campaigns, except an employee may not—

(1)

use his official authority or influence for the purpose of interfering with or affecting the result of an election;

So, the Hatch Act takes these political activities right out of the ambit of offical actions or actions done under color of official authority.

Unfortunately, the President is excluded from this provision of the Hatch Act.

Fun shit.  More here https://www.justsecurity.org/87859/the-hatch-act-bars-meadows-removal-bid/

[TwiceHorn 31,240]

2 minutes ago, Serak The Preparer said:

Come on Twice, at least tell us to sit down first. I damn near broke my ass falling down at the mere possibility of a Trump lawyer hurting his credibility. Heaven forfend!

The initial premise is that Stanley Woodward is not your usual Trump lawyer.

And, he's damaging his credibility on his own behalf, and that of his clients, which do not include Donald J. Trump.

[Hermanator 6,928]

4 hours ago, NWBuck said:

I'd be ok with a compromise on the 'one nation' part... You wanna be 'under' something? 

 

 

One nation... Under crippling debt... With obscene materialism and hatred for all

[Serak The Preparer 3,424]

25 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

The initial premise is that Stanley Woodward is not your usual Trump lawyer.

And, he's damaging his credibility on his own behalf, and that of his clients, which do not include Donald J. Trump.

Everyone knows that lawyers are generally aware of credibility and how that impacts clients. What my theory presuposes is that any lawyer who agrees to represent Trump has already made the decision that credibility is no longer a going concern.

[TwiceHorn 31,240]

14 minutes ago, Serak The Preparer said:

Everyone knows that lawyers are generally aware of credibility and how that impacts clients. What my theory presuposes is that any lawyer who agrees to represent Trump has already made the decision that credibility is no longer a going concern.

Again, Woodward does not represent Trump.  He represents a bunch of low-level minions.

[Serak The Preparer 3,424]

2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Again, Woodward does not represent Trump.  He represents a bunch of low-level minions.

You lawyers you and your legal terms like "represent" and "minion". Okay, point taken.

[dcbc 14,398]

On 8/26/2023 at 9:22 PM, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

 

Ain't nothing free about any of it.

[Pato del Muerto 52,336]

17 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Again, Woodward does not represent Trump.  He represents a bunch of low-level minions.

I believe those are soldatos or soldiers in the relevant nomenclature. 

[Gatorubet 30,083]

10 minutes ago, Serak The Preparer said:

You lawyers you and your legal terms like "represent" and "minion". Okay, point taken.

It's like a Donny's Traitor Club for Hack-ish Myrmidons.

Trump is like a Human Cracker Jack Box, where the only prizes you get are poverty, a loss of whatever positive reputation you once had, and criminal charges.