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[Rimbo 25766]

47 minutes ago, Satchel said:

Besides, the Deep State will ensure his defeat.

LOL. I fucking wish.

[Biff Tannen 45491]

7 minutes ago, The Dog said:

Enough doom porn. Here's some news:

 

You can settle after you've already been found liable?

[The Dog 43785]

2 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

You can settle after you've already been found liable?

He's only been find liable on one count. The hearings are for the others and for damages on the one count IIRC.

Not sure if he can negotiate damages on the count he's already lost. 

[YGIFS 19449]

1 hour ago, Satchel said:

Besides, the Deep State will ensure his defeat.

The greatest trick the Deep State ever pulled was convincing the World that they didn't exist.  

If they did, how is Donald Trump still alive let alone about to get the sole candidate for the 2024 GOP nomination, let alone about even with Biden in the EC projections? 

I confess, I used to believe in some version of a deep state, or shadow government.  Even met some folks I was partially convinced were a party to it.  Turns out I was just drunk and the shitheap you see in D.C. is really all there is.  Granted, it's backed by a reserve currency and really cool airplanes, but this is about what we're working with here. 

[Biff Tannen 45491]

10 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

The greatest trick the Deep State ever pulled was convincing the World that they didn't exist.  

If they did, how is Donald Trump still alive let alone about to get the sole candidate for the 2024 GOP nomination, let alone about even with Biden in the EC projections? 

I confess, I used to believe in some version of a deep state, or shadow government.  Even met some folks I was partially convinced were a party to it.  Turns out I was just drunk and the shitheap you see in D.C. is really all there is.  Granted, it's backed by a reserve currency and really cool airplanes, but this is about what we're working with here. 

I forget who said it (maybe the Pod Save America guys), but apparently we all think the US government is like the West Wing, when in reality, it's like Veep.

[Beau Vine 53978]

1 hour ago, Gatorubet said:

to everyone saying, the military will do the right thing, I can only say I was absolutely stunned at the large amount of current and former veterans participating in J6.

I was honestly expecting A LOT more.

[elfenix 34169]

1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

You can settle after you've already been found liable?

in civil matters you can always settle.  before suit, during suit, after being found liable, exhausted appeals, judgment full, final, and collectible, etc.  the question is what can you promise in settlement and what will the other side accept.  you may settle after judgment (as a judgment holder) because finding and collecting upon assets may be difficult or costly, for example.

Edited November 14, 2023 by elfenix

[Bozo_Casanova 26271]

1 hour ago, YGIFS said:

I used to believe in some version of a deep state, or shadow government.  Even met some folks I was partially convinced were a party to it.  Turns out I was just drunk and the shitheap you see in D.C. is really all there is.  Granted, it's backed by a reserve currency and really cool airplanes, but this is about what we're working with here. 

There is a deep state, but it’s not a secret cabal of the powerful. It is what Robert Heinlein called “Our Noble, Essential Decency” in his Famous essay for “This I believe,” as follows:

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I believe in my fellow citizens. Our headlines are splashed with crime. Yet for every criminal, there are ten thousand honest, decent, kindly men. If it were not so, no child would live to grow up. Business could not go on from day to day. Decency is not news. It is buried in the obituaries, but it is a force stronger than crime.

I believe in the patient gallantry of nurses, in the tedious sacrifices of teachers. I believe in the unseen and unending fight against desperate odds that goes on quietly in almost every home in the land. I believe in the honest craft of workmen. Take a look around you. There never were enough bosses to check up on all that work. From Independence Hall to the Grand Coulee Dam, these things were built level and square by craftsmen who were honest in their bones.

I believe that almost all politicians are honest. For every bribed alderman, there are hundreds of politicians—low paid or not paid at all—doing their level best without thanks or glory to make our system work. If this were not true, we would never have gotten past the Thirteen Colonies.

This basic but noble, essential decency is the matter and substance and prime directive of the “deep state”, for all of its bumbling. Decency is precisely the thing that Donald Trump and his partners in diminishment seek to eliminate from government and more broadly, from the culture, and every edgelord cynic like @Anastasis or dumbass conspiracy loon or deluded partisan is their witting or unwitting accomplice in that nasty and dehumanizing work, and it saddens and angers us. But as long as decency matters, the Deep State lives. 

[Brisketexan 104537]

8 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

There is a deep state, but it’s not a secret cabal of the powerful. It is what Robert Heinlein called “Our Noble, Essential Decency” in his Famous essay for “This I believe,” as follows:

This basic but noble, essential decency is the matter and substance and prime directive of the “deep state”, for all of its bumbling. Decency is precisely the thing that Donald Trump and his partners in diminishment seek to eliminate from government and more broadly, from the culture, and every edgelord cynic like @Anastasis or dumbass conspiracy loon or deluded partisan is their witting or unwitting accomplice in that nasty and dehumanizing work, and it saddens and angers us. But as long as decency matters, the Deep State lives. 

Fantastic post.  Decency and empathy are the very things that "made America great" (and no, they are not and have not been perfect)....and the modern GQP wants to destroy them, completely and totally.

They sell shit like "all politicians are corrupt," solely to excuse their own naked corruption, grift, and narcissism.  What they are selling is, in no uncertain terms, complete and utter bullshit.  I work with politicians and senior government employees all the time (seriously, all the time).  Local, state, federal.  I don't always agree with them.  Shit, I think some of them are truly shitty and awful human beings with terrible ideas (see the Trumpist movement to destroy decency, humanity, and empathy -- that's one thing I can never accept or forgive).  I think others are incompetent.  But they are the outliers.  Most of them are your friends and neighbors, trying to do the best job they can (a job that is only getting harder).  Shit, just think about the local officials responsible for providing water service to you: you demand only two things: 1) that we have abundant, guaranteed high-quality drinking water 100% of the time, and 2) that it be cheap to damn near free.  They can't win....yet, they do the job anyway.  They do the best they can with what they've got to make their communities better.

The "deep state" is we the motherfucking people.  And a hale and hearty "fuck off" to those who would try to destroy that.

[Bozo_Casanova 26271]

Amen @Brisketexan

[C-Man 27029]

2 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Oh come on.  J6 had how many people participate -- 10,000?  How many were veterans -- 1,000?  2,000?  That's a drop in the bucket.

 

Yes, there are MAGAts in the military.  However, research shows that brass is moving left and is likely better than 50/50 at this point, and the rank and file are probably no more than 40/60.  It's not a secret police force just waiting to be mobilized.

Am I missing some sarcasm? I Googled and it appears that 7% of living Americans have served in the military so if you're telling me 10-20% of the Jan 6 attackers were veterans, that's something, right?

[jimmyjazz 45538]

Just now, C-Man said:

Am I missing some sarcasm? I Googled and it appears that 7% of living Americans have served in the military so if you're telling me 10-20% of the Jan 6 attackers were veterans, that's something, right?

I made up the number.  I'm just saying however many vets were in that crowd doesn't necessarily speak for the majority of veterans.  If your % is correct, that's 23M+ veterans living in America.  The entire J6 crowd was WAY less than a percent of that number.

[Slacks 6791]

25 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Fantastic post.  Decency and empathy are the very things that "made America great" 

I love you, but no. 

The foundational fabric of this country is hatred and abuse cloaked in enterprise, commerce, and religion. 

A result of the climate of hate... 

 

[BevoAbyss 2057]

3 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

I think that's right.  The real risk here is that we are going to see American Loyalist units of our military facing off against MAGA-commanded units of our military.  Flynn's brother's troops against actual loyal units following their oath.  Actually shooting at each other.

Agree, this is quite possible. It is utterly naive and dangerous to think the military is immune to -- or outside of -- the dominant beliefs ideologies in our culture. I bet there are tons of "patriotic" soldiers who are MAGA-GQP, wouldn't surprise me if military MAGA is close to the percent of the population supporting Trump: about 45%. 

If the soldiers have a smart phone and internet connection, they can slide down into the Q rabbit hole and right into fascist Team USA. And be roused to violence by Trump, Bannon, and their fascist lackies. That's a powder keg waiting to explode in the days after a contentious, close election. 

Edited November 15, 2023 by BevoAbyss

[jimmyjazz 45538]

7 minutes ago, BevoAbyss said:

Agree, this is quite possible. It is utterly naive and dangerous to think the military is immune to -- or outside of -- the dominant beliefs ideologies in our culture. I bet there are tons of "patriotic" soldiers who are MAGA-GQP, wouldn't surprise me if military MAGA is close to the percent of the population supporting Trump: about 45%. 

If the soldiers have a smart phone and internet connection, they can slide down into the Q rabbit hole and right into fascist Team USA. And be roused to violence by Trump, Bannon, and their fascist lackies. That's a powder keg waiting to explode in the days after a contentious, close election. 

Your theory hinges on the idea that the majority of these idealogues will ignore their oath, and that's just fucking stupid.

[RDCanecutter 26246]

Military veterans look pretty good compared to lawyers, attempted-coup-wise.

And better than realtors. But everybody knows that.

[Anastasis 23390]

1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

There is a deep state, but it’s not a secret cabal of the powerful. It is what Robert Heinlein called “Our Noble, Essential Decency” in his Famous essay for “This I believe,” as follows:

This basic but noble, essential decency is the matter and substance and prime directive of the “deep state”, for all of its bumbling. Decency is precisely the thing that Donald Trump and his partners in diminishment seek to eliminate from government and more broadly, from the culture, and every edgelord cynic like @Anastasis or dumbass conspiracy loon or deluded partisan is their witting or unwitting accomplice in that nasty and dehumanizing work, and it saddens and angers us. But as long as decency matters, the Deep State lives. 

Thanks for the name drop. I do like they last line though. Has a “the real treasure is the friends we make along the way”vibe to it. Carry on. In the mean time I will really think about this notion that government bureaucracy is really a function of humanizing decency. 

Edited November 15, 2023 by Anastasis

[Anastasis 23390]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

Fantastic post.  Decency and empathy are the very things that "made America great" (and no, they are not and have not been perfect)...

The "deep state" is we the motherfucking people.  And a hale and hearty "fuck off" to those who would try to destroy that.

Unsurprising jingoistic lack of self reflection on what America is and always has been. We had a moment though, granted. 

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13545]

1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

There is a deep state, but it’s not a secret cabal of the powerful. It is what Robert Heinlein called “Our Noble, Essential Decency” in his Famous essay for “This I believe,” as follows:

This basic but noble, essential decency is the matter and substance and prime directive of the “deep state”, for all of its bumbling. Decency is precisely the thing that Donald Trump and his partners in diminishment seek to eliminate from government and more broadly, from the culture, and every edgelord cynic like @Anastasis or dumbass conspiracy loon or deluded partisan is their witting or unwitting accomplice in that nasty and dehumanizing work, and it saddens and angers us. But as long as decency matters, the Deep State lives. 

There's an evolutionary (and to a degree) necessary negative bias in human nature. Newspapers aren't going to report the local 7-11 wasn't robbed and the vast majority of human interactions that occurred there were ones of trust. 

[Brisketexan 104537]

Unsurprising jingoistic lack of self reflection on what America is and always has been. We had a moment though, granted. 

We spent the better part of two centuries getting better, not worse (and yeah…we had a LONG way to go, and faltered plenty of times). Now, we have a whole party determined to take us backwards.

But by all means, do tell how the very people you grew up with and still live in your neighborhoods who are serving on city councils, boards, and commissions, often for little or no pay, taking constant flack, are the corrupt bad guys.

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13545]

...and it spans species.

 

[Anastasis 23390]

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

We spent the better part of two centuries getting better, not worse (and yeah…we had a LONG way to go, and faltered plenty of times). Now, we have a whole party determined to take us backwards.

But by all means, do tell how the very people you grew up with and still live in your neighborhoods who are serving on city councils, boards, and commissions, often for little or no pay, taking constant flack, are the corrupt bad guys.

First paragraph requires very selective framing and a good measure of delusion. Second is typical brisket straw man shit. 

I am not really sure why y’all are trying to force the square peg into a round hole, other than that it serves to prop up the typical jingoistic bullshit you two spew about stuff like the Pax Americana and the rules based international order.  But yes, tell us all more about decency and dehumanization  

 

[Gatorubet 30083]

10 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

First paragraph requires very selective framing and a good measure of delusion. 

 

i’m not sure if you like history. If you do consider yourself an historian, you are one of the worst ones that I’ve met.

[Brisketexan 104537]

First paragraph requires very selective framing and a good measure of delusion. Second is typical brisket straw man shit. 

I am not really sure why y’all are trying to force the square peg into a round hole, other than that it serves to prop up the typical jingoistic bullshit you two spew about stuff like the Pax Americana and the rules based international order.  But yes, tell us all more about decency and dehumanization  
 

Nyet.

[Anastasis 23390]

8 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

i’m not sure if you like history. If you do consider yourself an historian, you are one of the worst ones that I’ve met.

Oh good. Tell us all about the historical role of government bureaucracy in spreading the feels of liberty, humanity, and decency throughout the world. Pick a century as a starting point and trace from there. Or a decade whatever. Some have shorter attention spans than others. 

[Rimbo 25766]

I can't be buggered to like @Bozo_Casanova's post, if only because he quotes that dipshit hack Heinlein.

[BevoAbyss 2057]

1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

majority of these idealogues will ignore their oath, and that's just fucking stupid.

Thanks for the insult, yet again. Looks like my atheism/existentialism is still bothering you. 

I normally don't reply to insults, but will this one time. After this, it is adios, JJ.

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It should be easy to see how honoring one's "oath" can be bent, twisted, and weaponized via propaganda/social media to serve MAGA-Trump-GQP agenda and "Save America" and "Do God's Will" (etc etc) after a close, contentious election. That's happened throughout fascist-communist-authoritarian history.

Hell, the current Supreme Court is violating oaths, logic, reason, precdent, etc. Alito and Dobbs showed us that. Hunt bought Thomas. Oaths? Lulz. 

Facts and reality do not matter in such regimes and eras, except when bent to serve political goals of domination, control, power, etc. Orwell showed how that would work in 1984. It's called "doublethink" and it permeates 21st century American consciousness.

I'm also wondering; did all those virtuous, patriotic, freedom loving soldiers think they were honoring their "oath" when they were waterboarding prisoners, deploying torture methods in the Middle East, violating the Geneva Convention, following the orders of Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld (all three war criminals) to invade and bomb Iraq based on propaganda of "weapons of mass destruction." The majority of Americans favored using torture, like 55-60%.

What about the "oath" those moments? Oaths were weaponized in service to patriotism, religion, and political barbarism. And thus the oaths were worthless. 

 

Edited November 15, 2023 by BevoAbyss

[jimmyjazz 45538]

Just now, BevoAbyss said:

Thanks for the insult, yet again. Looks like my atheism/existentialism is still bothering you. 

I normally don't reply to insults, but will this one time. After this, it is adios, JJ.

 

Oh, no!  Not "adios"!!!

[NAVY 6738]

Well this 1 in 5 thing just sucks. Not too surprised given depth of media segmentation along political lines. Even when Fox isn’t bending the truth super hard right, their advertisers sound alarm after alarm. Buy gold! The banks are collapsing! Protect your internets! Your house will burn down! 

The foresight to get rid of cable TV 15 years ago probably saved this vet. Well that and degrees from UT 

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/21/958915267/nearly-one-in-five-defendants-in-capitol-riot-cases-served-in-the-military

[TwiceHorn 31240]

4 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

You can settle after you've already been found liable?

Can't see the post.  But yeah, you can lose at trial, file an appeal and, especially if the appeal has potential merit, settle the case for less than the trial verdict.  

You can threaten bankruptcy.  You can claim that the plaintiff won't find enough money to satisfy the judgment in full through ordinary collections, but here's a cashier's check for less.

All time-honored ways of settling a civil case.  A judgment must be enforced.  That doesn't mean the cops go to their house and say "cough up" or go to debtor's prison.  There is almost always some uncertainty in whether you will collect the full amount of the judgment.  So if a defendant offers good funds payable today, that has a lot of appeal as long as it's not too big a discount.

ETA:  Now I see it.  Oh hell yeah they're trying to settle.  The monetary amount hasn't been fixed or ascertained, so that's negotiable.  Some kind of something short of a forced sale or transfer to new owners is probably what they are trying to get.  As I have mentioned, I am not 100% convinced that the court of appeals will uphold the cancellation of business licenses, so even that is a bit up in the air.  Something like a transfer of the properties to something not 100% Trump controlled or something.  Or five years to GTFO.  Who knows.

Edited November 15, 2023 by TwiceHorn

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13545]

18 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Oh good. Tell us all about the historical role of government bureaucracy in spreading the feels of liberty, humanity, and decency throughout the world. Pick a century as a starting point and trace from there. Or a decade whatever. Some have shorter attention spans than others. 

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"She saved our farm, 400 something acres, almost 500 acres," said Roger Spooner. "She saved our farm."

Again, newspapers and history give less attention to things that aren't fucked up, and the only reason this (admitted) anecdote is Google-able is because of false allegations shit was fucked up. 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/usdas-shirley-sherrod-i-helped-white-farmer/

[atomheartbevo 89396]

5 hours ago, BamaATL said:

Mr. Lindell, your pillows are lumpy.  

That's all it takes to turn him into

 

 

[Gatorubet 30083]

2 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Oh good. Tell us all about the historical role of government bureaucracy in spreading the feels of liberty, humanity, and decency throughout the world. Pick a century as a starting point and trace from there. Or a decade whatever. Some have shorter attention spans than others. 

Typical Ani.  You often create, rather than merely move, the goalposts in almost every discussion. See the bold above, which was in no way a fair depiction of brisket’s contention, at least as I read it.

But since we are playing your shitty, intellectually dishonest game, how exactly do you suppose that desires of a culture that become codified into law become available to the people? I think we can say that the government bureaucracy had something to do with women being allowed to vote.  And African Americans being allowed to vote…and to have fair housing.    I am pretty sure that government bureaucracy had something to do with stemming pollution under the EPA, getting rid of shitty meat under the USDA, and curtailing snake oil salesman under the FDA.  You might be aware that we export our ideas about bureaucracy and bureaucratic reforms abroad for other countries to use as models.   You might as well stick the entirety of benefits from any time period in there as well, because when laws are passed, it is the bureaucracies of the various entities that make the laws truly actionable, and the benefits available to the people.    At least in theory.  

I guess we could talk about our nation’s historical disaster relief program efforts, or the Berlin airlift.   We can also talk about gunboat diplomacy, our government helping American Fruit Company in central America, or the CIA and the College of the Americas helping Central or South American despots do terrible things to their citizens.  Again, we are slowly better as a country over time, with variances and sometimes back -sliding.  Which is why I feel bad about the No Irish Need Apply sign on my front door.

I’d love to know exactly what about brisket’s rather non-sensational post that put a burr up your butt. 

[Longhorn94 2427]

But see none of that is perfect! And bad things happened before and then after! I mean come on man!

[Born to Run 6558]

in civil matters you can always settle.  before suit, during suit, after being found liable, exhausted appeals, judgment full, final, and collectible, etc.  the question is what can you promise in settlement and what will the other side accept.  you may settle after judgment (as a judgment holder) because finding and collecting upon assets may be difficult or costly, for example.

Your last sentence is really the rub, especially with fat boy, but really any wealthy honky, and it drives me fucking nuts. Commit crimes, maybe face justice in 10 years but you're dead so it slides.

[BamaATL 16592]

3 minutes ago, Born to Run said:

4 hours ago, elfenix said:

in civil matters you can always settle.  before suit, during suit, after being found liable, exhausted appeals, judgment full, final, and collectible, etc.  the question is what can you promise in settlement and what will the other side accept.  you may settle after judgment (as a judgment holder) because finding and collecting upon assets may be difficult or costly, for example.

Your last sentence is really the rub, especially with fat boy, but really any wealthy honky, and it drives me fucking nuts. Commit crimes, maybe face justice in 10 years but you're dead so it slides.

Isn't he stuff (at least under the corporate umbrella) under the supervision of a conservator, and has been for some time now?  

[Born to Run 6558]

This basic but noble, essential decency is the matter and substance and prime directive of the “deep state”, for all of its bumbling. Decency is precisely the thing that Donald Trump and his partners in diminishment seek to eliminate from government and more broadly, from the culture, and every edgelord cynic like [mention=179]Anastasis[/mention] or dumbass conspiracy loon or deluded partisan is their witting or unwitting accomplice in that nasty and dehumanizing work, and it saddens and angers us. But as long as decency matters, the Deep State lives. 

Great post. Sadly 40% of the country is brainwashed to fucking hate these kind folks regardless of the kind efforts they make. Angry asssholes are defied; the sweet hard working-class librarian is terrorized. I'm not sure how that is rewired.

Also as an aside, the formally noble working class are all on Tik Tok like zombies getting a dopamine hit in exchange for lost competency and productivity. I see it every day, it sucks

[Born to Run 6558]

Isn't he stuff (at least under the corporate umbrella) under the supervision of a conservator, and has been for some time now?  

Wut?

[BamaATL 16592]

Just now, Born to Run said:

9 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

Isn't he stuff (at least under the corporate umbrella) under the supervision of a conservator, and has been for some time now?  

Wut?

The Trump Company has been operating under the supervision of a conservator (court appointed, perhaps the wrong word) for about a year now.  So any settlement that is reached I would presume will also be conducted under the same supervision.  Basically, if a settlement is reached, I don't think he can easily dodge paying it out.  

[Willfully Horn 7913]

3 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Oh good. Tell us all about the historical role of government bureaucracy in spreading the feels of liberty, humanity, and decency throughout the world. Pick a century as a starting point and trace from there. Or a decade whatever. Some have shorter attention spans than others. 

On behalf of those folks who believe in public service, and who live honorable, productive lives, fuck you, you hateful micropeen.

[Anastasis 23390]

11 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

On behalf of those folks who believe in public service, and who live honorable, productive lives, fuck you, you hateful micropeen.

you are going to have to condense that to get it to fit on the side of the cop car. 

[Brisketexan 104537]

you are going to have to condense that to get it to fit on the side of the cop car. 

You know, maybe the most damning part of your haughty condemnation is that it shits all over the regular folks you claim to champion.
Here’s a simple question: which public employees save the most lives every year?

It’s not cops. Or firefighters. Or soldiers.

It’s the people who keep our water and sewer plants running. Safe, clean drinking water saves hundreds of thousands of lives a year right here in the US. So does basic sanitation. We have that thanks to a shitload of working class folks who keep those systems running. And engineers and managers who run the operation. And elected officials who allocate taxes and public resources to massive operations and capital projects. Not because those are cool, and get them on TV, or get them rich. But because providing drinking water and sanitary sewers is part of the job, and is a good thing to do. Really, we only notice them when they fail…which is very, very rarely.
You’re so intent on straddling your high horse and cantering about like an imperious dandy that you completely miss the boring reality of hard-working decent folks doing their thing (those people are called “the government,” by the way). Which surprises absolutely nobody around here.

[Willfully Horn 7913]

[Anastasis 23390]

6 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

You know, maybe the most damning part of your haughty condemnation is that it shits all over the regular folks you claim to champion.
Here’s a simple question: which public employees save the most lives every year?

It’s not cops. Or firefighters. Or soldiers.

It’s the people who keep our water and sewer plants running. Safe, clean drinking water saves hundreds of thousands of lives a year right here in the US. So does basic sanitation. We have that thanks to a shitload of working class folks who keep those systems running. And engineers and managers who run the operation. And elected officials who allocate taxes and public resources to massive operations and capital projects. Not because those are cool, and get them on TV, or get them rich. But because providing drinking water and sanitary sewers is part of the job, and is a good thing to do. Really, we only notice them when they fail…which is very, very rarely.
You’re so intent on straddling your high horse and cantering about like an imperious dandy that you completely miss the boring reality of hard-working decent folks doing their thing (those people are called “the government,” by the way). Which surprises absolutely nobody around here.

You two start an exchange about the "Deep State", bozo tags me in, I haven't used that term on this board other than quoting the people like you that evoke it, and then you start in with sewage management. "The largest political forum in the great state of Texas." 

 

[Anastasis 23390]

12 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

which public employees save the most lives every year?

It’s not cops. Or firefighters. Or soldiers.

And which of these in concept do we invest the most resources into at the federal and state level? By an order of magnitude?

The projection by posters here is crazy. 

[Brisketexan 104537]

You two start an exchange about the "Deep State", bozo tags me in, I haven't used that term on this board other than quoting the people like you that evoke it, and then you start in with sewage management. "The largest political forum in the great state of Texas." 
 

You fucking self-absorbed self-righteous moron, you really don’t fucking get it do you? Jesus. This is fantastic. You really ARE that dense and stupid.

YES, you stupid fuck…sewage management IS politics. So is water. And sanitation. And roads. Etc. They’re the blocking and tackling of government, the thing that “politics” is all about. “The government” is US. People, folks, regular schlubs. They keep shit going while autofellating jackasses like you issue lofty - and meaningless - judgment. The juxtaposition couldn’t be more perfect, and your blindness to it is the icing on the cake.

[Anastasis 23390]

6 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

YES, you stupid fuck…sewage management IS ThE dEeP STaTe.

FIFY. 

 

Ike told y'all. Sorry if you didn't listen. Or comprehend. 

Edited November 15, 2023 by Anastasis

[Brisketexan 104537]

And which of these in concept do we invest the most resources into at the federal and state level? By an order of magnitude?
The projection by posters here is crazy. 

State and federal level is an incomplete question - they have different charges. For example, the military budget of most states is…0. Because that’s not their charge. So the federal component of that is, gee, larger.
Your TOTAL tax dollars and fees paid? Yeah, the biggest slices go to blocking and tackling type stuff. Boring. Essential. And ignored by most. And on the Federal side, of TOTAL spending…the bulk of total spending is social security, Medicare, Medicaid, and other income support. Things that tens of millions of people depend upon for the basics. And yes, a good chunk to defense, an actual constitutional charge.
The vast majority of your government is decent people doing decent things. So fuck off.

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6 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

State and federal level is an incomplete question - they have different charges.

Only in this forum could you find a couple posters convinced that they are holding the line against the “Deep State” anarchists of their own imagination by trying to convince people that they only want to talk about social services. 

[Brisketexan 104537]

 
Only in this forum could you find a couple posters convinced that they are holding the line against the “Deep State” anarchists of their own imagination by trying to convince people that they only want to talk about social services. 

Well, look on the bright side: you’re a self-congratulatory piece of shit in every forum. So, pin on that achievement ribbon.