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20 hours ago, Scheiss Meister said:

Sometimes the victim was hung until unconscious two or three times before being moved to the rack.

That makes more sense to me than hanging a corpse, which wasn’t unheard of back in the day. Flaying and disemboweling never satisfy by themselves, they require a hanging chaser.

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Imagine your basis of hating Trump is because of mean tweets, January 6 and “hush money” trial all because liberal media is crooked. Fuck right off. This is my last post in this forum  dumb fucki

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When you're a court, you just grab their asset, and they let you do it!

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Bye bitch. Enjoy living in literal hell if your man Biden is re elected

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10 minutes ago, coachherman'sgrill said:

Ruh ro

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-financial-watchdog-informs-judge-40-million-undisclosed-cash-tra-rcna127360

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Nothing will happen to him.  Our justice system seems completely incapable of dealing with bad actors like Trump, Alex Jones, et al.

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18 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Did he get cash or write a money order?  Why not flag and decline the wire transfers?

At the FI I work at our money orders go up to $1,000 so we'd be looking at 40,000 money orders. He's the perfect demographic for wanting 40,000 money orders and holding up the line as he complains loudly to anyone that will listen that you can't trust the water company with a check and refuses to get online banking.

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19 hours ago, Chewbacca said:

Nothing will happen to him.  Our justice system seems completely incapable of dealing with bad actors like Trump, Alex Jones, et al.

 

19 hours ago, Red Five said:

He'll get a firm talking-to that will straighten him out.

He's an ex-President of the United States! 

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Jounalist can't call him a liar! 

He can't be detained for even a moment when being processed for federal crimes!

His not so subtle urgings for followers to threaten officials and witnesses aren't the same as when mobsters do it! He was a president!

Oh, and that insurrection thing. Your eyes lie when watching an ex-president!

People like him don't face consequences! It would be untoward!

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On 11/30/2023 at 2:40 PM, coachherman'sgrill said:

Ruh ro

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-financial-watchdog-informs-judge-40-million-undisclosed-cash-tra-rcna127360

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Just to keep this factual, Jones is nothing more than a monitor.  This is not, or at least not yet, criminal or even a civil violation.

It's for Engoron's informational purposes only, basically.

It's up to Engoron to decide is something is untoward and, if there is, there's every reason to believe that Trump will be sanctioned accordingly.

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1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

Just to keep this factual, Jones is nothing more than a monitor.  This is not, or at least not yet, criminal or even a civil violation.

It's for Engoron's informational purposes only, basically.

It's up to Engoron to decide is something is untoward and, if there is, there's every reason to believe that Trump will be sanctioned accordingly.

Thanks!! So, nothing illegal has been done with the money?

I appreciate your insight. 

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Thanks!! So, nothing illegal has been done with the money?

I appreciate your insight. 

Well, I don't know and it doesn't have to be illegal "per se."  The monitoring is to detect if he is trying to evade the effects of the cancellation of his business licenses.  Engoron can decide if there is something unseemly about it and make orders to stop future occurrences, if not "punish" past occurrences.

But what is reported there is not, in and of itself, a crime, or even a violation of a court order exercising civil jurisdiction.

 

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7 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

 

He's an ex-President of the United States! 

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Jounalist can't call him a liar! 

He can't be detained for even a moment when being processed for federal crimes!

His not so subtle urgings for followers to threaten officials and witnesses aren't the same as when mobsters do it! He was a president!

Oh, and that insurrection thing. Your eyes lie when watching an ex-president!

People like him don't face consequences! It would be untoward!

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Benito’s finding out  was delivered extrajudicially wasn’t it?

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One bummer about both of these opinions is that they are the result of motions to dismiss (the civil complaint in Blassingame and the indictment in Trump).  And that means that in both cases, the allegations of the complaint and indictment must be taken as true.   

And that, in turn, means that both courts' review of the immunity question is somewhat limited to/by those circumstances.  Which means there remains some wiggle room in both cases for Trump to assert immunity again. 

I don't think Trump will succeed with any of his immunity claims, but this is not the last we've heard of it.

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1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

One bummer about both of these opinions is that they are the result of motions to dismiss (the civil complaint in Blassingame and the indictment in Trump).  And that means that in both cases, the allegations of the complaint and indictment must be taken as true.   

And that, in turn, means that both courts' review of the immunity question is somewhat limited to/by those circumstances.  Which means there remains some wiggle room in both cases for Trump to assert immunity again. 

I don't think Trump will succeed with any of his immunity claims, but this is not the last we've heard of it.

So he will, as we’ve known all along, continue to obfuscate and delay because our justice system is broken and if you have the money (or you can grift enough), you can keep going until nothing happens. 

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So he will, as we’ve known all along, continue to obfuscate and delay because our justice system is broken and if you have the money (or you can grift enough), you can keep going until nothing happens. 

Put it this way, you wouldn't think it was broken if you were on the wrong end of it.

But these decisions, while not final, and subject to appeal, set the ground rules for further proceedings, for the most part, and sometimes those go faster than we might think.  Trump hasn't won any of them since leaving office.

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9 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Put it this way, you wouldn't think it was broken if you were on the wrong end of it.

But these decisions, while not final, and subject to appeal, set the ground rules for further proceedings, for the most part, and sometimes those go faster than we might think.  Trump hasn't won any of them since leaving office.

Ok fine. Enough bullshit this morning. Let’s go win a fucking game. 

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13 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Put it this way, you wouldn't think it was broken if you were on the wrong end of it.

But these decisions, while not final, and subject to appeal, set the ground rules for further proceedings, for the most part, and sometimes those go faster than we might think.  Trump hasn't won any of them since leaving office.

Trump still has not faced any fucking criminal consequences for his criminal actions that happened on national TV nearly 3 years ago. Playing rope a dope with fascists is how you surrender to them. 

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Good article on the immunity opinions in lawfare. https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/two-court-rulings-on-presidential-immunity-move-the-trump-cases-forward

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While Trump may try his luck with an appeal, this opinion is unlikely to be significantly disrupted going forward. The Supreme Court tends to respect unanimous cross-ideological rulings from the D.C. Circuit, and the judges on this panel command respect across the political spectrum.  So on its own terms, the case is important because it significantly clarifies where there is, and where there is not, an opportunity to sue presidents on the basis of conduct taken during their time in office. In particular, it seems to widen the possibility of suits against presidents, contending that—at least in the D.C. Circuit and at least for now—the president cannot assert immunity where a contextual analysis of the conduct shows it to have taken place in the president’s private capacity as a candidate for office.  

The people at lawfare are neither blindly optimistic nor pessmistic and this about the Supreme Court is certainly historically true, and even recently true with the current court.

This refers to the civil immunity holding in Blassingame, not Chutkan's ruling.  But assuming a similar panel of the DC Circuit upholds her reasoning, there's probably not a high likelihood that the Supremes reverse, or even accept cert.

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Could go in a couple of threads

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nevada-grand-jury-indicts-6-fake-donald-trump-electors-3/

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A Nevada grand jury on Wednesday indicted six Republicans who submitted certificates to Congress falsely declaring Donald Trump the winner of the 2020 presidential election in their state, making Nevada the third to seek charges against so-called "fake electors."

"We cannot allow attacks on democracy to go unchallenged," Nevada's Democratic Attorney General Aaron Ford said in a statement Wednesday. "Today's indictments are the product of a long and thorough investigation, and as we pursue this prosecution, I am confident that our judicial system will see justice done."

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The fake electors — involved in the state GOP or Clark County GOP — have been charged with offering a false instrument for filing and uttering a forged instrument. Those two categories of felonies have penalties that range from one year up to either four or five years in prison.

 

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Related to the Nevada stuff above.  Trump going to be very, very mad today.  Lots of ketchup. Lots of  🍔 consumed.

And, surprise, looks like an investigation in Wisconsin.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/08/politics/kenneth-chesebro-cooperating-multiple-investigations/index.html

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he pro-Trump lawyer who helped devise the 2020 fake electors plot and already pleaded guilty to the conspiracy in Georgia is now cooperating with Michigan and Wisconsin state investigators in hopes of avoiding more criminal charges, multiple sources told CNN.

In a dramatic turnaround from 2020 – when the lawyer, Kenneth Chesebro, was at the center of efforts by former President Donald Trump to subvert the Electoral College and overturn his defeat – Chesebro is now helping investigators in at least four states who are looking into the scheme.

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Chesebro’s cooperation in Wisconsin is the first indication the state attorney general’s office has launched its own investigation into the false slates of pro-Trump electors. Wisconsin Attorney General Josh Kaul, a Democrat, has not publicly announced that an investigation is underway.

Chesebro also recently testified to a grand jury in Nevada, where indictments against six fake electors were announced Wednesday by state prosecutors. Additionally, Chesebro has been in contact with prosecutors in Arizona, where he plans to sit for an interview as part of that state’s ongoing investigation into fake electors.

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CNN has previously identified Chesebro as an unindicted co-conspirator in special counsel Jack Smith’s federal indictment against Trump, where the former president is charged with organizing the fake electors scheme “to disenfranchise millions of voters” and unlawfully remain in power. There is no indication Chesebro is cooperating in the federal probe, or that Smith has ruled out charges against him.

The Trump campaign targeted seven states with the scheme in 2020. Charges have been filed against fake electors in Georgia, Michigan and Nevada. Investigations are underway in Arizona, New Mexico and now, apparently, Wisconsin. The seventh state in the plot was Pennsylvania.

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The Michigan inquiry, led by state Attorney General Dana Nessel, a Democrat, was the first in the nation to produce criminal charges. It now appears that the scope of Nessel’s investigation may be broader than previously known, and is looking at other figures with ties to the scheme beyond the fake electors themselves.

The Michigan attorney general’s office confirmed to CNN in an email this week that their investigation is still active. The Wisconsin attorney general’s office declined to comment, as did Chesebro’s lawyer.

 

 

 

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19 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Could go in a couple of threads

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nevada-grand-jury-indicts-6-fake-donald-trump-electors-3/

 

 

3 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Related to the Nevada stuff above.  Trump going to be very, very mad today.  Lots of ketchup. Lots of  🍔 consumed.

And, surprise, looks like an investigation in Wisconsin.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/08/politics/kenneth-chesebro-cooperating-multiple-investigations/index.html

 

 

 

I hope the fake electors lose the right to vote and it turns out that the local races they would have voted in go to Dems by a small margin.

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An appeals court has largely upheld the gag order against Donald Trump in the federal election subversion case, saying he can be barred from talking about witnesses as well as prosecutors, the court and their family members.

But the court said the gag order does not apply to comments made about special counsel Jack Smith, a change from the original gag order.

This is a breaking story and will be updated.

 

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I hope the fake electors lose the right to vote and it turns out that the local races they would have voted in go to Dems by a small margin.

I hope they all die. Hey tried to overthrow the government of my country. They should at the very least rot in a hole until they expire. Fuck them all to hell.
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“In support of his Motion to Compel, the defendant suggests that the Government relied only on a selection of politically biased officials (ECF No. 167 at 1-2), but he does not and cannot substantiate this theatrical claim. To the contrary, as the defendant is aware from the discovery that has been provided, the Government asked every pertinent witness—including the former DNI, former Acting Secretary of DHS, former Acting Deputy Secretary of DHS, former CISA Director, former Acting CISA Director, former CISA Senior Cyber Counsel, former National Security Advisor (“NSA”), former Deputy NSA, former Chief of Staff to the National Security Council, former Chairman of the Election Assistance Commission (‘EAC’), Presidential Intelligence Briefer, former Secretary of Defense, and former senior DOJ leadership—if they were aware of any evidence that a domestic or foreign actor flipped a single vote in a voting machine during the presidential election. The answer from every single official was no.”

https://www.msn.com/en-US/news/politics/defendant-attempts-to-manufacture-confusion-jack-smith-says-trumps-own-officials-have-no-evidence-of-vote-flipping-in--election/ar-AA1li96r?ocid=sapphireappshare

I know this isn't breaking news, but feel it's worthwhile to repeat. And repeat. And repeat.

Donald Trump tried to overthrow our country's democracy based on a lie that (has so far) cost Fox News more than three quarter of billion dollars. One hundred percent fact. Zero percent opinion.

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