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[dcbc 14644]

17 hours ago, TexEx15 said:

 

 

Please, proceed

[Jive Turkey 12998]

This was pretty bad ass. 

 

[4th&Five 42004]

[DigglerontheHoof 21551]

I'm in love w/ her. 

[tx ind 7057]

Raskin twisting the knife at the end of that was a nice touch.

[4th&Five 42004]

 

[Brisketexan 106890]

 

Which, as much as listening to Trump incriminate himself would have been, is the right decision under the law and the rules.
Donald Trump is not on trial - his business enterprise entity is. Non-person entities can only appear through counsel. Closing arguments can only be made by counsel. Trump wants to “testify,” which would be improper in the argument phase, and he already declined the opportunity to testify under oath, where he would be subject to cross examination.
Trump doesn’t care about any rules, and doesn’t follow any rules. Which is exactly what he can and will be buttfucked. Fuck him. Time to pay the piper.

[mantis toboggan 854]

[jimmyjazz 47182]

Jasmine with two circles, a snap, an explanation mark, and a mic drop.  Holy shit.  She just totally pantsed her Republican colleagues.

[RDCanecutter 26883]

2 hours ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

I'm in love w/ her. 

Steer clear. She'd break you. She'd break us all.

[Red Five 41737]

1 minute ago, RDCanecutter said:

Steer clear. She'd break you. She'd break us all.

You got a better way to go?

[jimmyjazz 47182]

6 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

Steer clear. She'd break you. She'd break us all.

The sexy time might be rough, but the dinner conversation would be unreal.

[DigglerontheHoof 21551]

7 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

Steer clear. She'd break you. She'd break us all.

I'm getting old.  There are exponentially worse ways to go. 

[Radical Larry 28820]

Steer clear. She'd break you. She'd break us all.

[Brisketexan 106890]

Just now, Radical Larry said:

Bingo.  "Screwed to death by a smart, beautiful woman" is one helluva line for an obituary.  Sign me up.

[SydneyCarton 49487]

1 hour ago, 4th&Five said:

 

He got exactly what he wanted. He never wanted to speak. He wanted to be able to claim he'd been denied his right of free speech by a democratic judge, and to fundraise on it. 

[Brisketexan 106890]

Just now, SydneyCarton said:

He got exactly what he wanted. He never wanted to speak. He wanted to be able to claim he'd been denied his right of free speech by a democratic judge, and to fundraise on it. 

Yep.  That was absolutely the play.

He is in asshole manipulating a mass of idiots, it has worked so far and will continue to work.  He is king of the stupids, and he earned that crown.

[YGIFS 19458]

Yep, this all plays brilliantly into his victimization narrative.  Again, for such a strong, alpha male there to drain the swamp on behalf of the working man...he sure fixes it so he's a constantly objectified cunt.  

But give him credit.  He absolutely saw a lane nobody else did.  He projects strength by being a massive, gaping pussy and they have to take a number to get into a queue to line up to throw money they don't have at him.  What we think he lacks in business proclivity is just real estate and gaming.  And he more than makes up for it in grifting.  His bankruptcy workout wasn't to renegotiate with lenders, restructure debt, or sell off assets.  It was to become President of the United States.  That's a miracle that will be studied for centuries.  The Ultimate Confidence Man.  We will never see anything like him in our lifetimes again.  For better, or worse.

[Pig Bellmont 8886]

1 hour ago, 4th&Five said:

 

Yeah no shit. No judge would allow a defendant who is represented by multiple attorneys get a chance to speak freely (not under oath) in front of the jury at closing. It shows zero client control that the request was made to the judge at all. The likelihood of a mistrial is simply too high among other circus related concerns 

[Pig Bellmont 8886]

21 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

He got exactly what he wanted. He never wanted to speak. He wanted to be able to claim he'd been denied his right of free speech by a democratic judge, and to fundraise on it. 

Completely disagree. He’s not a mastermind. He just was angrily telling his attorneys what they should say in closing and when he was told “we can’t do that” he threw a fit and tried to do closing himself 

[cactusflinthead 27627]

7 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

Completely disagree. He’s not a mastermind. He just was angrily telling his attorneys what they should say in closing and when he was told “we can’t do that” he threw a fit and tried to do closing himself 

I tend towards this. Dotard s Razor, the stupidest option is usually it.

[SydneyCarton 49487]

6 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

Completely disagree. He’s not a mastermind. He just was angrily telling his attorneys what they should say in closing and when he was told “we can’t do that” he threw a fit and tried to do closing himself 

1.) I didn't say this was mastermind shit. I don't consider it mastermind shit. You're giving way to much credit there.
2.) There was obviously a meeting with the judge to set pre-conditions. So the attorneys and Trump clearly got that far, which isn't a "temper tantrum" thing. It's either a calcuated feint or a genuine desire to speak. 

It's not like this happened sponteneously in the court room, there was a multiple day lead up. He did it on purpose. 

[Degenerate Gardner 4159]

3 hours ago, Jive Turkey said:

This was pretty bad ass. 

 

Bravo. It really is that clear, unless you’re a traitorous shitbag.

[TwiceHorn 32077]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

Which, as much as listening to Trump incriminate himself would have been, is the right decision under the law and the rules.
Donald Trump is not on trial - his business enterprise entity is. Non-person entities can only appear through counsel. Closing arguments can only be made by counsel. Trump wants to “testify,” which would be improper in the argument phase, and he already declined the opportunity to testify under oath, where he would be subject to cross examination.
Trump doesn’t care about any rules, and doesn’t follow any rules. Which is exactly what he can and will be buttfucked. Fuck him. Time to pay the piper.

Ackshually, he is a defendant in his individual capacity. 

[TexasHooch 5196]

Raskin wants a piece too.

 

[Brisketexan 106890]

1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

Ackshually, he is a defendant in his individual capacity. 

Yep, I see that.  My bad.

Of course, the reason for the ruling is actually perfectly Trump (nevermind that he's represented by counsel, so a party's counsel is the one to give closing arguments):

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Donald Trump won't make his own closing argument in his New York civil business fraud trial after his lawyers objected to the judge's insistence that the former president would stick to “relevant” matters.

So....when the judge said "cool, you can give a closing argument, but like for everyone else, you can only present argument about matters relevant to the case at hand," Trump said "Fuck that, I want to give a long and rambling speech about how I'm more persecuted than Jesus was when the windmills gave him cancer ree ree ree and also Hunter Biden Burisma, like never before!"

[sidis 10016]

10 minutes ago, TexasHooch said:

Raskin wants a piece too.

 

remarkably frank, accurate, and eloquent summations coming out of some congresspersons today.

[jimmyjazz 47182]

4 minutes ago, sidis said:

remarkably frank, accurate, and eloquent summations coming out of some congresspersons today.

It gruntles me that there are still some intelligent, eloquent people in DC.  Not many, but some.

[Horn Dog 10158]

3 minutes ago, sidis said:

remarkably frank, accurate, and eloquent summations coming out of some congresspersons today.

Raskin is just so divisive and destroying decorum.  Both the dems and pubs are equally unable to govern!

#BothSides  #SurlyNaderVoters 

[Red Five 41737]

I wonder how hard it is for people like Raskin to not scream that at every R they see the last eight years. "You have given your party over to a conman who is pretending to be a republican, and who just wants to take people's money."

[YGIFS 19458]

5 minutes ago, Red Five said:

I wonder how hard it is for people like Raskin to not scream that at every R they see the last eight years. "You have given your party over to a conman who is pretending to be a republican, and who just wants to take people's money."

Republican House members, "But Raskin, this is an Arby's."  

I know most of this forum thinks every single Republican is a criminal asshole of the lowest order.  But some of them are just along for the grift, some are along because they can't afford to lose the newly discovered maga voting bloc, some just tune it out and do the traditional stay in power to gain leverage down the road regardless of Trump or no Trump.  But then there really are some bizarre loyalists who really are in the cult.  It's just weird to watch unfold.  We all have friends and family and coworkers who were perfectly normal before November of 2016, and now you look at them like a teenager looks at a rotary telephone like, "How in the fuck are you how you are?"  

But again, it's why only Trump could have pulled this off.  Anybody slightly more intelligent or slightly more self-aware or with a dash more spine wouldn't have been able to pull off the ruse.  The dumber and more criminal he behaves, the more they love him and shower him with cash.  But because his baseline started where it did, that's how it all works.  Had he begun from any point higher or lower, the confidence scam would have revealed too unsavory for even the most hate-filled morons.  He walked a tightrope nobody even knew was there.  

[Brisketexan 106890]

20 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

I know most of this forum thinks every single Republican is a criminal asshole of the lowest order.  But some of them are just along for the grift, some are along because they can't afford to lose the newly discovered maga voting bloc, some just tune it out and do the traditional stay in power to gain leverage down the road regardless of Trump or no Trump.  But then there really are some bizarre loyalists who really are in the cult.

But they ARE all assholes of the lowest order.  Let's illustrate how this works:

Person 1: I support the nazis without reservation because I believe that jews are a scourge and should be exterminated.

Person 2: I support the nazis without reservation because I have a profitable business arrangement thanks to nazi largesse.

Person 3: I support the nazis without reservation because I want to retain my politial post of Second Minister in charge of weights and measures.

 

You know what each of those three people is?  A fucking nazi.  And what's the rule for those fuckers?

Edited January 10 by Brisketexan

[C-Man 27779]

4 hours ago, Jive Turkey said:

This was pretty bad ass. 

 

I love that woman. Saw her speaking at Edie Bernice's memorial the other night. She's amazing.

 

1 hour ago, YGIFS said:

Yep, this all plays brilliantly into his victimization narrative.  Again, for such a strong, alpha male there to drain the swamp on behalf of the working man...he sure fixes it so he's a constantly objectified cunt.  

But give him credit.  He absolutely saw a lane nobody else did.  He projects strength by being a massive, gaping pussy and they have to take a number to get into a queue to line up to throw money they don't have at him.  What we think he lacks in business proclivity is just real estate and gaming.  And he more than makes up for it in grifting.  His bankruptcy workout wasn't to renegotiate with lenders, restructure debt, or sell off assets.  It was to become President of the United States.  That's a miracle that will be studied for centuries.  The Ultimate Confidence Man.  We will never see anything like him in our lifetimes again.  For better, or worse.

If we're not careful, we might see it again this November.

 

1 hour ago, SydneyCarton said:

1.) I didn't say this was mastermind shit. I don't consider it mastermind shit. You're giving way to much credit there.
2.) There was obviously a meeting with the judge to set pre-conditions. So the attorneys and Trump clearly got that far, which isn't a "temper tantrum" thing. It's either a calcuated feint or a genuine desire to speak. 

It's not like this happened sponteneously in the court room, there was a multiple day lead up. He did it on purpose. 

Engoron's pre-conditions:

“Thus, in my sole discretion, I will consent to let Mr. Trump make a closing argument if, and only if, through counsel by 1/9/2024, and by himself, personally, on the record, just before he speaks, he agrees to limit his subjects to what is permissible in a counsel’s closing argument, that is, commentary on the relevant, material facts that are in evidence, and application of the relevant law to those facts,” Engoron wrote in an email last week.

“He may not seek to introduce new evidence. He may not ‘testify.’ He may not comment on irrelevant matters,” Engoron wrote. “In particular, and without limitation, he may not deliver a campaign speech, and he may not impugn myself, my staff, plaintiff, plaintiff’s staff, or the New York State Court System, none of which is relevant to this case, and all of which, except commenting on my staff, can be done, and is being done, in other forums.”

 

50 minutes ago, TexasHooch said:

Raskin wants a piece too.

 

Jamie's a stud too.

[Foosters 18280]

https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/fbem/DocumentDisplayServlet?documentId=_PLUS_cASZsP0hNiBQOHYbw_PLUS_TPQ==&system=prod

The email exchange between Trump's attorneys and the Judge regarding his decision to testify.  Just when you think the simulation is all out of ideas, they come up with this!

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Justice Engoron This is very unfair, your Honor. You are not allowing President Trump, who has been wrongfully demeaned and belittled by an out of control, politically motivated Attorney General, to speak about the things that must be spoken about.

 

[DigglerontheHoof 21551]

29 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

Republican House members, "But Raskin, this is an Arby's."  

I know most of this forum thinks every single Republican is a criminal asshole of the lowest order.  But some of them are just along for the grift, some are along because they can't afford to lose the newly discovered maga voting bloc, some just tune it out and do the traditional stay in power to gain leverage down the road regardless of Trump or no Trump. 

IMO, these are the most despicable.  They're trying to give our country over to someone they KNOW is a moronic, criminally narcissistic piece of orange shit just b/c it is convenient and "good" for their career. 

Fuck those spinless cunts. 

['stache 22133]

29 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

Republican House members, "But Raskin, this is an Arby's."  

I know most of this forum thinks every single Republican is a criminal asshole of the lowest order.  But some of them are just along for the grift, some are along because they can't afford to lose the newly discovered maga voting bloc, some just tune it out and do the traditional stay in power to gain leverage down the road regardless of Trump or no Trump.  But then there really are some bizarre loyalists who really are in the cult.  It's just weird to watch unfold.  We all have friends and family and coworkers who were perfectly normal before November of 2016, and now you look at them like a teenager looks at a rotary telephone like, "How in the fuck are you how you are?"  

But again, it's why only Trump could have pulled this off.  Anybody slightly more intelligent or slightly more self-aware or with a dash more spine wouldn't have been able to pull off the ruse.  The dumber and more criminal he behaves, the more they love him and shower him with cash.  But because his baseline started where it did, that's how it all works.  Had he begun from any point higher or lower, the confidence scam would have revealed too unsavory for even the most hate-filled morons.  He walked a tightrope nobody even knew was there.  

That's just being specific as to why they are criminals and assholes of the lowest order.

[Pig Bellmont 8886]

8 minutes ago, Foosters said:

https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/fbem/DocumentDisplayServlet?documentId=_PLUS_cASZsP0hNiBQOHYbw_PLUS_TPQ==&system=prod

The email exchange between Trump's attorneys and the Judge regarding his decision to testify.  Just when you think the simulation is all out of ideas, they come up with this!

 

 lol which brainiac attorney authored that? First of all - “justice”? Second, I’ve been a trial attorney for a lot of years and never told a judge, especially in writing, “come on. You’re being unfair”

Edited January 10 by Pig Bellmont

[C-Man 27779]

1 minute ago, Pig Bellmont said:

 lol which brainiac attorney authored that? First of all - “justice”? Second, I’ve been a trial for a lot of years and never told a judge, especially in writing, “come on. You’re being unfair”

This is next

[Red Five 41737]

11 minutes ago, Foosters said:

https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/fbem/DocumentDisplayServlet?documentId=_PLUS_cASZsP0hNiBQOHYbw_PLUS_TPQ==&system=prod

The email exchange between Trump's attorneys and the Judge regarding his decision to testify.  Just when you think the simulation is all out of ideas, they come up with this!

 

Dotard's attorneys let him use their email?

[Rimbo 27013]

2 hours ago, RDCanecutter said:

Steer clear. She'd break you. She'd break us all.

 

I'd reply, "I can fix her," but there's nothing to fix. Absolutely nothing wrong with that.

 

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

Bingo.  "Screwed to death by a smart, beautiful woman" is one helluva line for an obituary.  Sign me up.

Although let it read, "Death By Snu-Snu."

[Keef 888]

My favorite part is when Trump tried to use his mother-in-law's death ("who he was very close to") as an excuse to delay the closing arguments.

[Foosters 18280]

so many favorite parts!

[TwiceHorn 32077]

16 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

 lol which brainiac attorney authored that? First of all - “justice”? Second, I’ve been a trial attorney for a lot of years and never told a judge, especially in writing, “come on. You’re being unfair”

Justice is the title of judges on NY's Superior Court.  Engoron signs every email "Justice Engoron."

But yeah, the "unfair" part is hilarious.  Also, Trump must speak on matters that "must be spoken on."  

By most accounts, Kise is a serious lawyer, but he is beclowning himself here.

Edited January 10 by TwiceHorn

[Brisketexan 106890]

Just now, TwiceHorn said:

By most accounts, Kise is a serious lawyer, but he is beclowning himself here.

....thus refuting "most accounts."  You are what you do, and most importantly, you are the most recent thing you did.

Kise is a pathetic simp clown.

[safe sex 12007]

A rich simp who was paid upfront is still a simp

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13628]

19 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

I’ve been a trial attorney for a lot of years and never told a judge, especially in writing, “come on. You’re being unfair”

"You're a meany-face, and judiciously a poopy-head."

[SimonBolivar 11064]

Reads like a community college freshman that hasn't attended a single class emailing their professor the week after Thanksgiving.

[Gatorubet 30714]

31 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

 lol which brainiac attorney authored that? First of all - “justice”? Second, I’ve been a trial attorney for a lot of years and never told a judge, especially in writing, “come on. You’re being unfair”

Also, who the fuck is “President Trump?”. 

[Gatorubet 30714]

Quote

 

You are not allowing President Trump, who has been wrongfully demeaned and belittled by an out of control, politically motivated Attorney General, to speak about the things that must be spoken about.

This is the type of stuff you would normally read in a pro se  brief from a sovereign citizen

[dcbc 14644]

36 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

 lol which brainiac attorney authored that? First of all - “justice”? Second, I’ve been a trial attorney for a lot of years and never told a judge, especially in writing, “come on. You’re being unfair”

That email chain gives me hope.  That, indeed, is how the Honorable Rhinestone Cowboy does it.