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Habba was already paid in advance IIRC.

Remember the lawyers are being paid by the various PACs (MAGA, Save America PAC, etc.) so this isn't a Rudy situation for these guys - none are taking the work unless the money is up front or not coming directly from Trump.

Rumor is these entities paid over $50 million in legal fees last year alone. 

Save America PAC is in especially dire financial straits.

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12 minutes ago, Satchel said:

Trump PACs spent an estimated $50 million of donor money on attorney fees and related expenses in 2023: report

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-supporting-pacs-paid-50-million-to-his-attorneys-2023-2024-1

There's some graft going on there, I guarantee. How can he have spent $50MM if he doesn't pay his lawyers?

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44 minutes ago, bluto said:

Did he actually fire habba? I mean she’s out of her element period in a court room but appellate work is specialized from my loose grasp of attorneying

Yep she's never had full responsibility for any of his cases before now, someone else has always first chaired trials and handled appeals. In Carroll I it was Mr Bob Dobalina Taco Pina. But Blanche signed the appeal brief. 

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2 hours ago, Satchel said:

Trump PACs spent an estimated $50 million of donor money on attorney fees and related expenses in 2023: report

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-supporting-pacs-paid-50-million-to-his-attorneys-2023-2024-1

What governs what pacs are allowed to pay?  Why should they be able to pay for personal legal bills unrelated to a campaign? 
 

why even more should they (can they) pay for legal bills against a company that a candidate has ownership of, that is unrelated to a campaign?

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34 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

What governs what pacs are allowed to pay?  Why should they be able to pay for personal legal bills unrelated to a campaign? 
 

why even more should they (can they) pay for legal bills against a company that a candidate has ownership of, that is unrelated to a campaign?

Unrelated to the campaign? Have you somehow not been made aware of the “ELECTION INTERFERENCE!!!”?
 

Maybe Trump should use a larger font on the all caps and more exclamation points. People obviously aren’t getting the message. 

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50 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

What governs what pacs are allowed to pay?  Why should they be able to pay for personal legal bills unrelated to a campaign? 
 

why even more should they (can they) pay for legal bills against a company that a candidate has ownership of, that is unrelated to a campaign?


per trump, he can break any laws he wants 

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13 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

Still hilarious to me that MAGA thinks Donald Trump woke up one morning and said "Hey! I think I'm a Republican now!" 


and a christian !

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Don't bury the lede-

$36m raised, $27m spent on legal fees. Only $5m COH

  • $30m was transferred from another Trump PAC in order to pay the legal fees (Save America is the main PAC paying for legal fees)

That is $27m that cannot be used for TV, radio, internet ads, GOTV, etc. 

 

Everything donated to Trump's PACs are just being moved to Save America PAC in order to pay legal fees.  When you include the additional grift, there ain't no money left for the important thing.  And further proof that Trump is running solely to make America/the GOP base pay for his legal problems. 

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1 minute ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

They'll have all they want for ads.

Maybe, maybe not. The Trump PACs are paying legal bills. The RNC is broke as a joke. The Trump campaign is sucking up all the donations, which then go to legal fees 

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15 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

They'll have all they want for ads.

Depends on platform and complexity.  They may not be able to afford the fancier targeted advertising of years past, as well as the higher profile TV spots.  Blasting out cheap ads on social media is not going to help them either, as the catturd2’s have already made up their minds, and they’ll be advertising to a lot of bots.

Down ballot advertising could be where it really hurts them.  If you are a local politician, you may have to do it all on your own, and with fewer resources.

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1 hour ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

They'll have all they want for ads.

What makes you say that? If nothing else, as i think someone else linked, Biden is flush and is already buying adtime for the back half of 2024, eating up all the available ad slots. 

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4 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

What makes you say that? If nothing else, as i think someone else linked, Biden is flush and is already buying adtime for the back half of 2024, eating up all the available ad slots. 

Empirical evidence, basically.  The front running R candidate has never wanted for advertising funds.  Make that into a cult leader that has 100,000,000 salivating to give him everything down to their SNAP benefits and I do not foresee a future where it is September 1 of this year and Trump says "I wish we could reach more folks, but I just don't have the ability."

 

A look back -- this machine never stops:

https://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presidential-race/donald-trump/candidate?id=N00023864

 

Campaign & Single-Candidate Groups Targeting Donald Trump

Organization Pro/Against Type Total Raised
Donald J Trump for President Pro-Trump Campaign $773,954,550
America First Action Pro-TRUMP SuperPAC $150,128,473
Preserve America PAC Pro-Trump SuperPAC $105,322,042
Save America Pro-Trump Leadership PAC $31,512,713
Committee to Defend the President Pro-Trump Carey $17,318,641
Great America PAC Pro-Trump Carey $11,740,054
Our American Century Pro-Trump SuperPAC $7,676,000
Coalition for American Veterans Pro-Trump SuperPAC $7,012,782
Tea Party Patriots Citizens Fund Pro-Trump SuperPAC $2,886,598
Support American Leaders PAC Pro-TRUMP Carey $2,458,133
Tea Party PAC Pro-TRUMP SuperPAC $2,162,027
Moms for Safe Neighborhoods Pro-Trump SuperPAC $1,956,859
Rebuilding America Now Pro-Trump SuperPAC $1,410,848
Patriots of America PAC Pro-Trump Carey $1,046,476
Take Back the West PAC Pro-Trump SuperPAC $647,900
American Conservative Union Super PAC Pro-Trump SuperPAC $621,587
Four More Years PAC Pro-Trump SuperPAC $420,602
Tea Party Majority Fund Pro-TRUMP PAC $374,800
Jews Choose Four More Years Pro-Trump SuperPAC $202,778
Campaign to Support the President Pro-TRUMP Carey $184,839
Conservative Triumph Fund Pro-TRUMP PAC $148,532
America Fighting Back PAC Pro-Trump Carey $134,222
Save America from Its Government Pro-Trump SuperPAC $109,127
Together Ready & United for More Prosperity Pro-Trump SuperPAC $102,945
Oklahomans for TRUMP Pro-Trump SuperPAC $94,000
Standing for Wisconsin Families Pro-Trump SuperPAC $78,594
Independents for Prosperity Pro-Trump SuperPAC $50,440
Raise Up PAC Pro-Trump SuperPAC $45,625
American Veterans for the Home Front Pro-Trump PAC $32,646
America First Victory Fund Pro-TRUMP SuperPAC $32,142
America Is Winning Again Pro-TRUMP SuperPAC $28,249
Patriots PAC of America Pro-TRUMP Carey $27,378
Concerned Americans for America Pro-Trump SuperPAC $21,264
Save America Super PAC Pro-Trump SuperPAC $14,520
Make America Great Again Pro-Trump SuperPAC $12,925
No to Joe PAC Pro-Trump SuperPAC $12,325
American Uprising 2020 Pro-TRUMP SuperPAC $8,922
Jewish Floridians for America's Future Pro-Trump SuperPAC $7,830
Committee for American Sovereignty Pro-Trump SuperPAC $1,698
Make America Number 1 Pro-Trump SuperPAC $903
Future In America Pro-Trump SuperPAC -$25,030
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3 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

Empirical evidence, basically.  The front running R candidate has never wanted for advertising funds.  Make that into a cult leader that has 100,000,000 salivating to give him everything down to their SNAP benefits and I do not foresee a future where it is September 1 of this year and Trump says "I wish we could reach more folks, but I just don't have the ability."

 

A look back -- this machine never stops:

https://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presidential-race/donald-trump/candidate?id=N00023864

 

Campaign & Single-Candidate Groups Targeting Donald Trump

Organization Pro/Against Type Total Raised
Donald J Trump for President Pro-Trump Campaign $773,954,550
America First Action Pro-TRUMP SuperPAC $150,128,473
Preserve America PAC Pro-Trump SuperPAC $105,322,042
Save America Pro-Trump Leadership PAC $31,512,713
Committee to Defend the President Pro-Trump Carey $17,318,641
Great America PAC Pro-Trump Carey $11,740,054
Our American Century Pro-Trump SuperPAC $7,676,000
Coalition for American Veterans Pro-Trump SuperPAC $7,012,782
Tea Party Patriots Citizens Fund Pro-Trump SuperPAC $2,886,598
Support American Leaders PAC Pro-TRUMP Carey $2,458,133
Tea Party PAC Pro-TRUMP SuperPAC $2,162,027
Moms for Safe Neighborhoods Pro-Trump SuperPAC $1,956,859
Rebuilding America Now Pro-Trump SuperPAC $1,410,848
Patriots of America PAC Pro-Trump Carey $1,046,476
Take Back the West PAC Pro-Trump SuperPAC $647,900
American Conservative Union Super PAC Pro-Trump SuperPAC $621,587
Four More Years PAC Pro-Trump SuperPAC $420,602
Tea Party Majority Fund Pro-TRUMP PAC $374,800
Jews Choose Four More Years Pro-Trump SuperPAC $202,778
Campaign to Support the President Pro-TRUMP Carey $184,839
Conservative Triumph Fund Pro-TRUMP PAC $148,532
America Fighting Back PAC Pro-Trump Carey $134,222
Save America from Its Government Pro-Trump SuperPAC $109,127
Together Ready & United for More Prosperity Pro-Trump SuperPAC $102,945
Oklahomans for TRUMP Pro-Trump SuperPAC $94,000
Standing for Wisconsin Families Pro-Trump SuperPAC $78,594
Independents for Prosperity Pro-Trump SuperPAC $50,440
Raise Up PAC Pro-Trump SuperPAC $45,625
American Veterans for the Home Front Pro-Trump PAC $32,646
America First Victory Fund Pro-TRUMP SuperPAC $32,142
America Is Winning Again Pro-TRUMP SuperPAC $28,249
Patriots PAC of America Pro-TRUMP Carey $27,378
Concerned Americans for America Pro-Trump SuperPAC $21,264
Save America Super PAC Pro-Trump SuperPAC $14,520
Make America Great Again Pro-Trump SuperPAC $12,925
No to Joe PAC Pro-Trump SuperPAC $12,325
American Uprising 2020 Pro-TRUMP SuperPAC $8,922
Jewish Floridians for America's Future Pro-Trump SuperPAC $7,830
Committee for American Sovereignty Pro-Trump SuperPAC $1,698
Make America Number 1 Pro-Trump SuperPAC $903
Future In America Pro-Trump SuperPAC -$25,030

Dude, I understand your point, but that chart tells a wildly different story to me than it does to you. The guy at the top, who got the lions share, is now at zero and operating at about zero month to month thanks to legal fees. The rest of those #s dramatically get smaller, and fast, the more you go down the list, and all the ad slots are being bought up by Biden...and all the Pro Biden PACS. Can they get money, sure? But what time are they going to buy if it's already paid for and off the market?

You may have saved up enough for a down payment on a home, but what do you do when there isn't any inventory?

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29 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Dude, I understand your point, but that chart tells a wildly different story to me than it does to you. The guy at the top, who got the lions share, is now at zero and operating at about zero month to month thanks to legal fees. The rest of those #s dramatically get smaller, and fast, the more you go down the list, and all the ad slots are being bought up by Biden...and all the Pro Biden PACS. Can they get money, sure? But what time are they going to buy if it's already paid for and off the market?

You may have saved up enough for a down payment on a home, but what do you do when there isn't any inventory?

Something else to consider - that $80+ million judgment isn't going to pay itself. Trump has to either get a bond (LOL no) or front the entire amount pending appeal. 

Remember that he didn't do a bond for the $5 million judgment - he paid the entire amount. 

That $80 million is going to need to come from somewhere...

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3 minutes ago, The Dog said:

Something else to consider - that $80+ million judgment isn't going to pay itself. Trump has to either get a bond (LOL no) or front the entire amount pending appeal. 

Remember that he didn't do a bond for the $5 million judgment - he paid the entire amount. 

That $80 million is going to need to come from somewhere...

I'm guessing a PAC can't pay for a judgement legally...?

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19 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

 

All this time... I thought it was the size of your man-tits.

She got ‘em from someone didn’t she?

 

is the huge R money (Koch and whomever) really going to sit out on trump, or will it find him once he’s the nominee because he’s better for business than Biden in their estimation?  Would that actually be their position?

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44 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

References the 1866 Congressional Record deliberations of Section 3 of the 14th Amendment as to whether the president is an officer of the United States.

 

 

The president is not immune as the office of the presidency is an office. The 14th amendment applies.

However, we feel as if the circumstances of the 1860's are hard to apply here and one could argue that the constitution is a living and breathing document in the particular case unlike every other case we rule on.

/ Republican appointed Calvinball guru justices

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