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[Nice Guy Eddie 13512]

What is Trump Force One worth?

 

[tx 3 putt 76947]

1 minute ago, pyrohornIII said:

So many Trumpkins think he is this financial wizard who can lead the US economy to the promised land.  This should be a good place to start an ad campaign against that notion.  Carry it through to the fact that they have taken over the GOP to use all their donations to save his broken ass.  

credit, more credit, more credit then file bankruptcy !

that has always been his business model

 

[The Dog 44044]

[locodos 5387]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

But when you've got "fuck you" money.....buy em all.  And seriously, the POTUS, Commander in chief of the US armed forces, is a fucking BARGAIN at $500 million.

When it comes to selling the ownership of the presidency,

Yeah and they throw in a Mike Flynn for free!  

[dcbc 14482]

2 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

If your plan is to steal the election or violently take the presidency, why spend money on  campaigning?  That’s less money for Trump and he doesn’t work like that. If the actual election results are inconsequential to him, he won’t put effort into them.  He is like Smaug in that way. 

I think in 2016, he had no interest in winning, thinking the grift was in the campaign.  Then, he won and found out that he could just ignore the rules and be on the take while in office.  So I think he was out to win in 2020 so he could continue the campaign take and the sitting-President take.  This time around, he's got to win to see if he can contort the law into some KingsX immunity argument.  So sitting at home and collecting checks from rubes isn't as desirable.  

[ChiTownDoc 21154]

1 hour ago, Js1 said:

I posted that.  They are cutting back his rallies to basically just campaign out of Florida because he broke broke.  He's begging the 7 figure donors to up their checks to 8 figures now.  @atomheartbevo keeps mentioning too that the venues he books are smaller than his 2016/2020 venues and less attended.

Biden had a $53m fundraising month and has $155 million COH.  Oh and he raised 20% of his February total just after the State of the Union ($10m in the 24 hours after that), so March will likely be an even bigger amount.

This is awesome.  I want it to keep getting smaller and smaller - but don't let him stop.  It will be like when OU had a hoops game at their 2000 seat fieldhouse this year.  SOLDOUT!  'See, we can support basketball around here!'

[ChiTownDoc 21154]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

But when you've got "fuck you" money.....buy em all.  And seriously, the POTUS, Commander in chief of the US armed forces, is a fucking BARGAIN at $500 million.

When it comes to selling the ownership of the presidency,

To put it in perspective, the Saudis are paying a washed up Ronaldo 315M a season to play.  Trump for 4 years is 125M per.  Yeah, that's basically free.  And the guy may not have a great shot, but he definitely has a chance.  Sounds kind of worth it.  

[chainsaw 9867]

7 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

To put it in perspective, the Saudis are paying a washed up Ronaldo 315M a season to play.  Trump for 4 years is 125M per.  Yeah, that's basically free.  And the guy may not have a great shot, but he definitely has a chance.  Sounds kind of worth it.  

Counterpoint: Ronaldo has talent and can actually hold up his end of a deal.

[Gil Bang 25954]

53 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

What is Trump Force One worth?

 

not as much as you might think

 

https://www.controller.com/listings/for-sale/boeing/757/jet-aircraft/3

 

Edited March 18 by Gil Bang

[TwiceHorn 31463]

3 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

How so?  Trying to collect on a court-ordered bond is "fucking with" the defendant?  What's the point of the bond?

I may not be understanding you.

I am referring to attempting to execute the judgment pending appeal if Trump doesn't secure a bond.

Many or most plaintiffs won't do it unless they're holding a bloody stump and really need the money, or just to fuck with the defendant.

This situation is to be differentiated from that in which either a) there is no appeal or b) the appeal is concluded with the judgment still at least partially affirmed.  In that case, the plaintiff is free to execute regardless of motive.  Also to be differentiated from the situation in which a bond is posted and the appeal concludes affirming all or part of the judgment in favor of plaintiff, in which case the court releases the proper amount of the bond to the plaintiff.

It's just that interregnum where the judgment could get reverse partially or entirely that poses a risk for plaintiffs.

Edited March 18 by TwiceHorn

[TwiceHorn 31463]

2 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Would they have to argue that he’s too poor to meet the financial penalty?

The only place that works is in a petition for bankruptcy. 

In most cases, the judgment creditor plaintiff is entitled to pursue whatever post-judgment remedies the law provides to collect whatever percentage of the judgment it can.  That would include verifying that the judgment creditor/defendant is too poor to pay.

For example, In a shitass consumer loan or credit card debt suit, where it is highly likely the defendant doesn't have a pot to piss in, the creditor may seek a "writ of execution" in which the sheriff or constable goes to the defendant's home, gains lawful entry, and surveys the property to see if the defendant has any obviously non-exempt property (up to 60k personal in Texas and the homestead).  Usually that writ comes back, sorry ain't got shit.  But the plaintiff can keep after them if they want.

[The Dog 44044]

11 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

not as much as you might think

 

https://www.controller.com/listings/for-sale/boeing/757/jet-aircraft/3

 

Here's a sample pricing list of what many aircraft cost new: http://www.axonaviation.com/commercial-aircraft/aircraft-data/aircraft-pricing

A brand new A321 (similar to the 757) is about $114 million. 

So yeah, he's turbofucked.

[ChiTownDoc 21154]

28 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Counterpoint: Ronaldo has talent and can actually hold up his end of a deal.

Nothing against Ronaldo, he’s just clearly past his prime.  Just saying they have plenty of money to pay for a semiretired futbol player.  President of the US of A for much cheaper seems asinine…

[wildcat09 29354]

Anyone who doesn't think the Saudis and/or the Russians would gladly invest well into the billions on a 1% bet that Trump wins is a fool. The damage they know he'd do to America would be well worth it to them, regardless of whether he follows through on any specific promises. The problem as they see it would be that it will be hard to keep it secret and could backfire on them, not that it's a poor investment. 

[immamac 42848]

6 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Anyone who doesn't think the Saudis and/or the Russians would gladly invest well into the billions on a 1% bet that Trump wins is a fool. The damage they know he'd do to America would be well worth it to them, regardless of whether he follows through on any specific promises. The problem as they see it would be that it will be hard to keep it secret and could backfire on them, not that it's a poor investment. 

IDK that anyone is betting 500M on a 1% chance of anything even countries. 

[wildcat09 29354]

Just now, immamac said:

IDK that anyone is betting 500M on a 1% chance of anything even countries. 

They already gave Kush $2 billion. You think they'd give a shit about another $500 mil to Trump? The Saudi sovereign wealth fund has nearly $1 trillion in assets.

[immamac 42848]

1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

They already gave Kush $2 billion. You think they'd give a shit about another $500 mil to Trump? The Saudi sovereign wealth fund has nearly $1 trillion in assets.

Kushner is doing shit with that 2B not just donking it the fuck off. 

[yoladu 4094]

4 hours ago, TexEx15 said:

 

[TexasEd 8067]

1 hour ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

What is Trump Force One worth?

 

 

38 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

not as much as you might think

 

https://www.controller.com/listings/for-sale/boeing/757/jet-aircraft/3

 

 

26 minutes ago, The Dog said:

Here's a sample pricing list of what many aircraft cost new: http://www.axonaviation.com/commercial-aircraft/aircraft-data/aircraft-pricing

A brand new A321 (similar to the 757) is about $114 million. 

So yeah, he's turbofucked.

Wouldn’t he have to pay off his title loan first?

[Bozo_Casanova 26452]

Your REAL money, haha

 

[Brisketexan 105129]

1 hour ago, The Dog said:

He forgot to add other, ummmm.....lenders he approached who wouldn't get on board either.  Bo Diddley wasn't having it.

 

 

[Macanudo 12977]

41 minutes ago, The Dog said:

Here's a sample pricing list of what many aircraft cost new: http://www.axonaviation.com/commercial-aircraft/aircraft-data/aircraft-pricing

A brand new A321 (similar to the 757) is about $114 million. 

So yeah, he's turbofucked.

Everyone is overthinking this.   The easy answer is....   About treefiddy.

[4th&Five 41538]

 

[Gatorubet 30237]

1 hour ago, The Dog said:

[dcbc 14482]

14 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

He forgot to add other, ummmm.....lenders he approached who wouldn't get on board either.  Bo Diddley wasn't having it.

 

 

He didn't get diddly.

Edited March 18 by dcbc

[Gap03 3305]

43 minutes ago, immamac said:

Kushner is doing shit with that 2B not just donking it the fuck off. 

Yeah, but he is "earning" $25m per year for investing in an asset class in which, to my knowledge, he had no experience (which honestly might be a good thing given his real estate investing experience).  Super ironic in light of all the crying about Hunter's board comp. 

[wildcat09 29354]

The Saudis did not give Kush $2 billion because they're confident in his business acumen.  

[SydneyCarton 48099]

3 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

The Saudis did not give Kush $2 billion because they're confident in his business acumen.  

Even more than that, the advisory committee said "This is a bad idea."
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/10/us/jared-kushner-saudi-investment-fund.html

So what were they buying?

Edited March 18 by SydneyCarton

[Longhorn_Fan68 33869]

2 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Even more than that, the advisory committee said "This is a bad idea."
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/10/us/jared-kushner-saudi-investment-fund.html

So what were they buying?

pretty funny all I had to google was "trump toilet docs" and here we are. well, not funny at all, but you get it

[Underdog 28627]

Buying his help with journalist Kishoggi(sp?)

[Slacks 6819]

4 hours ago, Red Five said:

As an aside, I was laughing earlier thinking about watching tv mortified on 1/6/21, and thinking "Well, at least this means Dotard will be unelectable going forward...."

Red Five you sweet naive summer child. 

I CAN'T SHAKE HIM!

[Nice Guy Eddie 13512]

3 hours ago, The Dog said:

They don't accept real estate as collateral, or they don't accept his real estate as collateral? Those 2 are not necessarily the same.

Would any financial institution not believe that they would struggle to get money from Trump, even if he has the equity in the properties? You have a guy asking for money and he could be any or all of the following situations in less than a year: in prison, in bankruptcy, in the White House. 

[SydneyCarton 48099]

1 minute ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

They don't accept real estate as collateral, or they don't accept his real estate as collateral? Those 2 are not necessarily the same.

Would any financial institution not believe that they would struggle to get money from Trump, even if he has the equity in the properties? You have a guy asking for money and he could be any or all of the following situations in less than a year: in prison, in bankruptcy, in the White House. 

I'm no property attorney, but if the buildings are already heavily leveraged, or there are multiple owners, or if the housing market for those kind of commercial properties is soft, or all 3, which is very likely the case, I can see a bond company taking a hard pass. 

[locodos 5387]

1 minute ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

They don't accept real estate as collateral, or they don't accept his real estate as collateral? Those 2 are not necessarily the same.

Would any financial institution not believe that they would struggle to get money from Trump, even if he has the equity in the properties? You have a guy asking for money and he could be any or all of the following situations in less than a year: in prison, in bankruptcy, in the White House. 

It's almost like the trial that found Trump guilty of over inflating the value of his properties is leading to companies being unsure about the values of his properties...  imagine that!

[Brisketexan 105129]

Just now, Nice Guy Eddie said:

They don't accept real estate as collateral, or they don't accept his real estate as collateral? Those 2 are not necessarily the same.

Would any financial institution not believe that they would struggle to get money from Trump, even if he has the equity in the properties? You have a guy asking for money and he could be any or all of the following situations in less than a year: in prison, in bankruptcy, in the White House. 

Bingo.  If a surety (or any lender....you know, the very thing one of these cases was about) is going to accept real property as collateral, they need the following information, and it has to be reliable: 1) the ACTUAL value of the property (that is, what they can get for it if they have to foreclose on the collateral and sell it - they DGAF what Donald says it's worth, what will someone out in the market actually pay for it, today?), 2) what other prior liens/encumbrances is it subject to, and I mean ALL such liens, encumbrances, claims, etc., and 3) what is the VALUE of those liens (e.g., if there are liens worth $50 million on a property worth at most $60 million, then that property just provides a mere $10 million in security, at best).  The existence of liens SHOULD be obtainable from statements on file in the local property records, but again....are you looking to be tied up in litigation with some new "prior lienholder" that Trump "forgot" to tell you about, or in litigation with them about how much they should be paid because the lien amount you were given was bullshit?

Lending is based on trust.  Even when it requires security, there is still an element of trust.  Only the dumbest people on the planet would trust Donald Trump when it comes to ANYTHING these days.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13512]

Since the national and state GOPs want Trump as their candidate, I saw let the party organization pony up the money. Maybe give the Vermont and DC GOP parties a break since they went with Nikki.

[dcbc 14482]

... I didn't think that response through . . . Deleted

Edited March 18 by dcbc

[Longhorn_Fan68 33869]

1 minute ago, dcbc said:

And the New York properties are subject to seizure by the state.  So he's not going to be able to put up the 5th Ave. property (for example) as collateral.

can we FF to the point where he shoots someone on 5th Ave? namely himself?

[immamac 42848]

1 minute ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

can we FF to the point where he shoots someone on 5th Ave? namely himself?

This would be delicious irony. 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33869]

Just now, immamac said:

This would be delicious irony. 

it would certainly solidify the cult status and turn him into a martyr for the true believers. "See? He predicted his own demise! He was the chosen one!" or some shit like that

[WhatTheBuck 28780]

1 hour ago, SydneyCarton said:

Even more than that, the advisory committee said "This is a bad idea."
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/10/us/jared-kushner-saudi-investment-fund.html

So what were they buying?

Probably paying him back for sharing classified U.S. intelligence with MBS about other members of the Saudi Royal family which assisted him in his purge. Probably also for Jared’s help running interference for him after he had his goons butcher Jamal Khashoggi.

[Ted Lange 16085]

Trump's best bet

[Gatorubet 30237]

3 hours ago, pyrohornIII said:

So many Trumpkins think he is this financial wizard who can lead the US economy to the promised land.  This should be a good place to start an ad campaign against that notion.  Carry it through to the fact that they have taken over the GOP to use all their donations to save his broken ass.  

This should not be a good day to be around Donnie. Having to admit publicly that he doesn’t have the money to post a bond - and everyone is laughing about it - is probably making him a very unhappy child.

Habba Dabba Doo had better have brought some lube. 

[Brisketexan 105129]

2 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

This should not be a good day to be around Donnie. Having to admit publicly that he doesn’t have the money to post a bond - and everyone is laughing about it - is probably making him a very unhappy child.

Habba Dabba Doo had better have brought some lube. 

Why?  Butter that mushroom, and you only have to worry about the first 2 inches of your passage anyway.

[Macanudo 12977]

28 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Only the dumbest people on the planet would trust Donald Trump when it comes to ANYTHING these days.

Yep.   The whole GOP and about 30-40% of the country.

[Gatorubet 30237]

2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Why?  Butter that mushroom, and you only have to worry about the first 2 inches of your passage anyway.

I just assumed that the first 2 inches involved a rectum clinch tighter than Aggy leading late in the fourth quarter. 

[atomheartbevo 89660]

4 hours ago, Underdog said:

There’s only so many tires on the mobile home you can hock for a price. 

And that Frankoma pottery ain’t bringing the prices it once was.

[Gil Bang 25954]

 

[Brisketexan 105129]

Just now, atomheartbevo said:

And that Frankoma pottery ain’t bringing the prices it once was.

They should just liquidate their clown collection -- a lotta dollars to be found there.

 

[Macanudo 12977]

Just now, atomheartbevo said:

And that Frankoma pottery ain’t bringing the prices it once was.

Don't you dare besmirch my Dale Earnhardt collector plate collection from the Franklin Mint.