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[Horn Dog 9,473]

Finally something we can all agree with Trump on.  A leaking pecker is no joke! 

Edited April 22 by Horn Dog

[YGIFS 19,445]

I think we've all had a salad with secreting mushrooms or other fungi that just ruin the overall vibe of the meal.  And/or Nation-State.  

[tbone_ 13,991]

Jokes aside, what’s this dick going to say?

[RDCanecutter 25,996]

10 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

Jokes aside, what’s this dick going to say?

He's been holding it in so long there's no telling how much will spurt out.

[jimmyjazz 45,212]

So what limitations are put on defense attorneys once a trial is underway?  Can they bail if they know he's out of cash?

[Shut up Lou Holtz 1,990]

5 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

So what limitations are put on defense attorneys once a trial is underway?  Can they bail if they know he's out of cash?

 

Edited April 22 by Shut up Lou Holtz

[Gatorubet 29,791]

13 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

So what limitations are put on defense attorneys once a trial is underway?  Can they bail if they know he's out of cash?

No.

When the trial has started like this one has, jury selected an opening argument set for Monday, there could be no justification to allow defense council to withdraw while it’s going on.   Attorneys do not have the right to unilaterally withdraw whenever they want for whatever reason they want.  If the issue is fees not being paid, that is often grounds for withdrawing as a general matter,  but it would be a rare court to allow an attorney to withdraw with scheduled pending matters - and really a bizarre albino unicorn event to allow an attorney to withdraw the after trial has begun.   The jury would see that negatively.   Which is all to say that an attorney does not have a right to likely cause a mistrial for that selfish reason and put everything back at square one.  

And in this unusual case, when his attorneys accepted representation on a client who has a reputation for not paying attorneys - there is way less reason to grant withdrawal for nonpayment of fees.

[jimmyjazz 45,212]

12 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

And in this unusual case, when his attorneys accepted representation on a client who has a reputation for not paying attorneys - there is way less reason to grant withdrawal for nonpayment of fees.

Well yeah, that part seems obvious.  "Wait, you're surprised by this?  No."

[Sawbonz 26,904]

I thought I read that for some of these matters his attorneys were charging him a flat fee to handle his case. Not sure if that was for some of the civil matters or criminal. Seems like regardless they would want to get as much as possible up front given his history 

[Bullneck 18,781]

1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

 he's out of cash?

[Bozo_Casanova 25,910]

On 4/20/2024 at 1:01 PM, Sawbonz said:

I did the burn unit in parkland for my 3rd year elective in med school. We had a guy who doused himself with gasoline at thanksgiving dinner and lit himself in front of his family. Full thickness burns > 80% including all of his upper and lower lips but somehow not his eyelids. Heat ruined his vocal cords. He was coming up on 1 year in the burn unit when I arrived and was still alive when I finished the rotation. I would not wish that on anyone 

 

 

It ain’t cool being no jive turkey so close to Thanksgiving 

[Satchel 6,903]

On 4/20/2024 at 12:45 PM, chainsaw said:

https://awfulannouncing.com/politics/stephen-a-smith-defends-donald-trump-black-americans.html

Stephen A. Smith defends Donald Trump claiming Black Americans relate to him being discriminated against

 

He went from a cheddar bay to a butter biscuit in nothing flat.

[tx ind 6,904]

Every time there's a story of him running out of cash it's not surprising, the best part is what happens next.  You move to the anticipation of what the next grift will be, we've gotten sneakers, bibles, 5% cuts from down ballot folks, what's next?

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20,304]

I think we're going to find out that Trump, via Cohen, paid for an abortion ... maybe Shera Berchard's. 

[atomheartbevo 89,055]

1 hour ago, tx ind said:

Every time there's a story of him running out of cash it's not surprising, the best part is what happens next.  You move to the anticipation of what the next grift will be, we've gotten sneakers, bibles, 5% cuts from down ballot folks, what's next?

10%.  

I wonder what the cutoff date is where any odd campaign financial stuff is reported after the election.  August, September?

[tx 3 putt 75,570]

55 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

I think we're going to find out that Trump, via Cohen, paid for an abortion ... maybe Shera Berchard's. 

 

So he's PRO ABORITION !!!!!!!

[shakahorn 1,608]

3 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

No.

When the trial has started like this one has, jury selected an opening argument set for Monday, there could be no justification to allow defense council to withdraw while it’s going on.   Attorneys do not have the right to unilaterally withdraw whenever they want for whatever reason they want.  If the issue is fees not being paid, that is often grounds for withdrawing as a general matter,  but it would be a rare court to allow an attorney to withdraw with scheduled pending matters - and really a bizarre albino unicorn event to allow an attorney to withdraw the after trial has begun.   The jury would see that negatively.   Which is all to say that an attorney does not have a right to likely cause a mistrial for that selfish reason and put everything back at square one.  

And in this unusual case, when his attorneys accepted representation on a client who has a reputation for not paying attorneys - there is way less reason to grant withdrawal for nonpayment of fees.

Counsel

[High Plains Drifter 10,938]

 

I hope this Pecker guy goes in no lube. 

 

 

[atomheartbevo 89,055]

24 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

So he's PRO ABORITION !!!!!!!

Will not matter one bit, BECAUSE HE GETS ABORTION JUST LIKE THE REST OF US YOU LIBTARD SO SUCK IT BECAUSE MA AND PA ALWAYS SAID THEY'D WISH MA HAD ABORTED ME AND YOU JUST DON'T GET THE JOKE THEY ARE MAKING.

[immamac 41,751]

What happens if he is actually fucked here? Shit seems to be getting real real fast. 

[SydneyCarton 47,486]

2 hours ago, immamac said:

What happens if he is actually fucked here? Shit seems to be getting real real fast. 

Fucked how? Most experts think he serves no jail time even if convicted. 

Edited April 22 by SydneyCarton

[Francisco 2.0 32,226]

 

 

 

[Bozo_Casanova 25,910]

5 hours ago, immamac said:

What happens if he is actually fucked here? Shit seems to be getting real real fast. 

Well that would be great. But what you’re experiencing is just the shock of seeing the process moving this far along without ole’ Donny wriggling out of it yet.

Nevertheless…

[TexasEd 8,030]

14 hours ago, honolulu horn said:

We were happy with the Freeballers. But damn, Bowl Movements is top-shelf an upper decker. Well done. 

FIFY

Edited April 22 by TexasEd

[Goredho 17,181]

9 hours ago, tx ind said:

Every time there's a story of him running out of cash it's not surprising, the best part is what happens next.  You move to the anticipation of what the next grift will be, we've gotten sneakers, bibles, 5% cuts from down ballot folks, what's next?

MyTrumpPillows

[TexasEd 8,030]

5 minutes ago, Goredho said:

MyTrumpPillows

John Candy “ Those aren’t pillows!” /John Candy

[Snake Diggity 4,574]

7 hours ago, immamac said:

What happens if he is actually fucked here? Shit seems to be getting real real fast. 

Wondering this same thing.  Not know king Jack shit, my best case would be a plea to house arrest for 1 year that would effectively make him unable to run or serve.  That’s probably asking WAY too much.  I consider the chance of Trump going to jail somewhere between 0% and 0%.

[Biff Tannen 45,228]

10 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

Wondering this same thing.  Not know king Jack shit, my best case would be a plea to house arrest for 1 year that would effectively make him unable to run or serve.  That’s probably asking WAY too much.  I consider the chance of Trump going to jail somewhere between 0% and 0%.

And I would put the chances of Biden going to jail at 1% because fuck this simulation.

[The Dog 43,491]

 

[YGIFS 19,445]

Never going to the inside of a cell, we've all known this for damn near two years now.  But a House Arrest situation does make more and more sense, I'll leave it to the criminal attorneys on here to weigh in on how that differs from just probation/parole officer visits.  He'd obviously claim that all of Mar-a-Lago is his "house", so we could still wander the grounds and play golf.  Or do you have to serve it out in the venue domicile, so one of his New York properties?  I'd prefer to let him have it served at Mar-a-Lago because while he'd walk/cart the perimeter of the vast property every day which would make it less punitive, he could receive adulation from the hundreds lined up around in adoration shifts 24/7 for a year.  And he'd go out there and golf and then talk then along each corridor from a distance.  And address camera crews and the like.  

And then you start the disinformation campaign.  "Trump's jailers are visiting Mar-a-Lago's exterior posing as MAGA nation to taunt and gloat in Trump's unlawful house arrest!  You must defend America by carrying firearms to the support rallies outside Mar-a-Lago.  It's legal in Florida to do so, as long as you don't cross the property lines and it demonstrates your support of Trump's commitment to the 2nd Amendment and our condemnation of this Kangaroo Court.  Over the course of a year, somebody makes a mistake and adjusts their weapon or takes it out to show somebody else what they're running or actually draws it on somebody they suspect of being an ANTIFA/Deep State plant.  And they do it along the property line, that scenario is not that hard to arrange.  Secret Service sees it and rushes over, a shootout ensues.  Who knows what could happen next, MAGA on MAGA violence could be fun as shit to see unfold on TV.  It's a stretch.  But if the simulation has taught us anything...

[Captainant 26,927]

Just now, YGIFS said:

Never going to the inside of a cell, we've all known this for damn near two years now.  But a House Arrest situation does make more and more sense, I'll leave it to the criminal attorneys on here to weigh in on how that differs from just probation/parole officer visits.  He'd obviously claim that all of Mar-a-Lago is his "house", so we could still wander the grounds and play golf.  Or do you have to serve it out in the venue domicile, so one of his New York properties?  I'd prefer to let him have it served at Mar-a-Lago because while he'd walk/cart the perimeter of the vast property every day which would make it less punitive, he could receive adulation from the hundreds lined up around in adoration shifts 24/7 for a year.  And he'd go out there and golf and then talk then along each corridor from a distance.  And address camera crews and the like.  

And then you start the disinformation campaign.  "Trump's jailers are visiting Mar-a-Lago's exterior posing as MAGA nation to taunt and gloat in Trump's unlawful house arrest!  You must defend America by carrying firearms to the support rallies outside Mar-a-Lago.  It's legal in Florida to do so, as long as you don't cross the property lines and it demonstrates your support of Trump's commitment to the 2nd Amendment and our condemnation of this Kangaroo Court.  Over the course of a year, somebody makes a mistake and adjusts their weapon or takes it out to show somebody else what they're running or actually draws it on somebody they suspect of being an ANTIFA/Deep State plant.  And they do it along the property line, that scenario is not that hard to arrange.  Secret Service sees it and rushes over, a shootout ensues.  Who knows what could happen next, MAGA on MAGA violence could be fun as shit to see unfold on TV.  It's a stretch.  But if the simulation has taught us anything...

Historically speaking, fascists really do their best work while in a comfortable jail cell surrounded by their friends. Sounds like a great fucking idea. 

[Foggy Notion 1,198]

 

[Dnaguy 11,599]

13 hours ago, tbone_ said:

Jokes aside, what’s this dick going to say?

 

13 hours ago, RDCanecutter said:

He's been holding it in so long there's no telling how much will spurt out.

I agree. With The amount of holding back he’s had to endure, one touchy engage can cause him to lose control and spill his whole seedy enterprise’s catch and kill operation.

Trump would be ruined.

Edited April 22 by Dnaguy

[TwiceHorn 30,851]

1 minute ago, The Dog said:

 

An explanatory note.  It appears that the bond is secured by securities in a brokerage account.

In most jurisdictions, he could not pledge that account directly as a bond or undertaking.

He could, however, liquidate it and bring cash certified funds to the court for a virtually unimpeachable bond.  There is, of course, no guarantee that those securities would liquidate timely and in the amount of $175M, and that would pose some tax issues, I would imagine.

[YGIFS 19,445]

4 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Historically speaking, fascists really do their best work while in a comfortable jail cell surrounded by their friends. Sounds like a great fucking idea. 

True.  But at least we know we won't be able to hammer out a manifesto during his incarceration.  He can barely read/write.  I guess a ghost writer could do it and then have it edited by a 3rd grade Belarusian kid.  

3 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

An explanatory note.  It appears that the bond is secured by securities in a brokerage account.

In most jurisdictions, he could not pledge that account directly as a bond or undertaking.

He could, however, liquidate it and bring cash certified funds to the court for a virtually unimpeachable bond.  There is, of course, no guarantee that those securities would liquidate timely and in the amount of $175M, and that would pose some tax issues, I would imagine.

There's no way he has $175mm in a securities brokerage account.  They have a few private banking accounts around NY & FL.  But if he had anything north of $50-$100mm, they'd have a registered RIA/SFO on file somewhere.  And they don't, the SEC has said as much.  Maybe there's some off-shore shit, but that likely would have been discovered earlier.  What money they do make, they just keep rolling into other GP positions in CRE/hospitality deals.  There's not much liquidity overall.  They certainly have well over $175mm in real estate holdings but it would take months to get money out of them like that, it's like a 1031 would provide any solvency.  And the capital gains trigger on anything from non-qualified portfolios to CRE sales would necessitate selling at least something in the ballpark of ~$225mm in assets.  And we all know how great he is at paying taxes on time.  

[jimmyjazz 45,212]

I wouldn't be sad if he were confined to house arrest at Mar-A-Lago, especially if a bigass hurricane wipes the place out.

[Chooky 13,278]

Because penis.  That's why it's funny.

[High Plains Drifter 10,938]

11 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I wouldn't be sad if he were confined to house arrest at Mar-A-Lago, especially if a bigass hurricane wipes the place out.

 

 

Confined to a Mar a Lago all summer long. Hurricane knocks out the power. In south Florida, in the summer, no AC. Should be fun. 

 

Also, I'd love to see that fat ass play a round of golf in S. Florida in the summer. 

 

[C-Man 26,757]

43 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

Never going to the inside of a cell, we've all known this for damn near two years now.  But a House Arrest situation does make more and more sense, I'll leave it to the criminal attorneys on here to weigh in on how that differs from just probation/parole officer visits.  He'd obviously claim that all of Mar-a-Lago is his "house", so we could still wander the grounds and play golf.  Or do you have to serve it out in the venue domicile, so one of his New York properties?  I'd prefer to let him have it served at Mar-a-Lago because while he'd walk/cart the perimeter of the vast property every day which would make it less punitive, he could receive adulation from the hundreds lined up around in adoration shifts 24/7 for a year.  And he'd go out there and golf and then talk then along each corridor from a distance.  And address camera crews and the like.  

And then you start the disinformation campaign.  "Trump's jailers are visiting Mar-a-Lago's exterior posing as MAGA nation to taunt and gloat in Trump's unlawful house arrest!  You must defend America by carrying firearms to the support rallies outside Mar-a-Lago.  It's legal in Florida to do so, as long as you don't cross the property lines and it demonstrates your support of Trump's commitment to the 2nd Amendment and our condemnation of this Kangaroo Court.  Over the course of a year, somebody makes a mistake and adjusts their weapon or takes it out to show somebody else what they're running or actually draws it on somebody they suspect of being an ANTIFA/Deep State plant.  And they do it along the property line, that scenario is not that hard to arrange.  Secret Service sees it and rushes over, a shootout ensues.  Who knows what could happen next, MAGA on MAGA violence could be fun as shit to see unfold on TV.  It's a stretch.  But if the simulation has taught us anything...

There's no golf course at Mar-A-Lago.

[Francisco 2.0 32,226]

As Colangelo continues to discuss the repayment scheme to Cohen, he says Trump’s willingness to go to the trouble “shows just how important it was to him to hide the true nature of Cohen’s illegal payment to Ms. Daniels and the overall election conspiracy that they had launched.”

Jurors and prospective jurors had expressed a lot of nervousness about their role here, and with good reason. But Colangelo may be giving some a reason to be glad they were not excused. The politics, the payoffs, the intrigue, the importance: This case will be transfixing.

 

Having finished with the most fascinating part of the story, the series of payoffs, Colangelo is on to the less interesting part, which, by the way, is the part the criminal charges stem from. He is describing the paperwork arrangement to reimburse Michael Cohen for the hush money payment he made to Stormy Daniels, and how, Colangelo says, Trump and Allen Weisselberg, his company's C.F.O., sought to disguise the repayment.

Colangelo is offering up a dense series of details, but the jurors are still paying close attention.

Some chuckles in the courtroom as Colangelo says Trump was a “very frugal businessman” who watched all the spending at his empire.

It really is surreal hearing this story told in one long tale of the tape.

The government’s opening statement suggests we will see a lot of previously undisclosed text messages between the main players, and phone records.

Edited April 22 by Francisco 2.0

[Francisco 2.0 32,226]

And now, it's time for defense.  Batting first, Todd Blanche

 

Blanche highlights that Trump is entitled to the presumption of innocence, which is something that some of his more heated critics sometimes lose sight of.

Blanche explains why they all call Trump “President Trump,” saying he’s earned it and it’s the office he’s held. Then he mentions that Trump is the presumptive Republican nominee.

 

Todd Blanche is now up, with the defense's opening statement.

J
“President Trump is innocent,” are the first words of Blanche’s opening. ’President Trump did not commit any crimes.”

“He is cloaked in innocence,” Todd Blanche says of Trump

 

Blanche says that the prosecution told a “clean nice story,” but that it is not as simple as they would have the jury believe. He says that many of the documents in evidence are almost a decade old. The testimony, he suggests, is similarly old. And, he says, the story that jurors just heard “is not true.”

 

 

Edited April 22 by Francisco 2.0

[The Dog 43,491]

the bond hearing is also going on. Here's where they are right now - meeting to see if they can reach a "settlement of sorts" on ensuring the bond collateral is kept in cash:

 

[YGIFS 19,445]

13 minutes ago, C-Man said:

There's no golf course at Mar-A-Lago.

Well they’ve been charging me $3k a Month for golf privileges.  Wait, this all tracks.  

[Francisco 2.0 32,226]

It seems as if Blanche will seek to convince the jury that everything that happened was appropriate and done by the book, not even worthy of notice. That Cohen was Trump’s lawyer, and he was paid for legal services. But he’ll also seek to distance his client from the matter: “President Trump had nothing to do with the invoice,” he says.

Blanche is not addressing any of the underlying claims by prosecutors so far, focusing strictly on the payment process.

 

Blanche downplays the 34 charges of falsfying records Trump faces as a “business records violation.”

He points toward the disparity between the $130,000 hush money payment and what was repaid to Cohen. He asks them, if Trump really was so frugal, would he have repaid Cohen so much? “This was not a payback,” he says, adding of Cohen: “He was President Trump’s personal attorney.”

“Ask yourself, would a frugal business man -- would a man who pinches pennies -- repay $130,000 debt to the tune of $420,000?”

[Red Five 40,455]

10 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

And now, it's time for defense.  Batting first, Todd Blanche

 

Blanche highlights that Trump is entitled to the presumption of innocence, which is something that some of his more heated critics sometimes lose sight of.

Blanche explains why they all call Trump “President Trump,” saying he’s earned it and it’s the office he’s held. Then he mentions that Trump is the presumptive Republican nominee.

 

Todd Blanche is now up, with the defense's opening statement.

J
“President Trump is innocent,” are the first words of Blanche’s opening. ’President Trump did not commit any crimes.”

“He is cloaked in innocence,” Todd Blanche says of Trump

 

Blanche says that the prosecution told a “clean nice story,” but that it is not as simple as they would have the jury believe. He says that many of the documents in evidence are almost a decade old. The testimony, he suggests, is similarly old. And, he says, the story that jurors just heard “is not true.”

 

 

"Nuh uh! Thank you your honor." (sits down)

[The Dog 43,491]

 

[Francisco 2.0 32,226]

Blanche makes it clear that the defense will continue to deny that Trump had sex with Stormy Daniels. I’m curious whether that will affect the plan for Daniels to testify; it had seemed to be up in the air, but the defense may have just opened the door for prosecutors to ask directly.

 

Prosecutors have objected three times during Blanche’s opening statement. Justice Merchan just called them to the bench.

The prosecution wins the objection and Blanche loses a little bit of his opening. He moves back to saying that there is “nothing illegal” about entering a nondisclosure agreement.

[RomaVicta 29,590]

Two things from the defense presentation jump out at this layperson.

The choice of cloaked in innocence is odd to me. It suggests that though not innocent himself, Trump has a cloak of innocence protecting him. The idea of a cloak is most often associated with secrecy and deceit. Contrast it to, "He is innocent through and through." The usage just leapt out at me as a strange word choice for a carefully conceived presentation.

Second, the idea that evidence is too old to be valid made me laugh. I imagine a criminal appeal where the lawyer's argument is, "My client should be released! His signed confession is more than ten years old. You can't seriously consider that to be evidence!"

[jimmyjazz 45,212]

This likely means nothing from a legal perspective, but why would someone pay another $130K if they didn't have sex?

[RDCanecutter 25,996]

Even if they don't result in convictions, this trial and others work as wonderful suppressive fire on Trump. For the uninitiated, that'd be something like a burst of machinegun fire on the general area of the enemy, where even if its unlikely to hit anything, it makes it harder for them to do anything back to you, and leaves you able to move easier.

die mothafucka die.