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[Red Five 40357]

21 minutes ago, NAVY said:

Good ‘ol fashioned fatwa up in this bitch 

Always crazy to spot one in the wild. Shows up with guns blazing, full of objectively false declarations. 

[Born to Run 6314]

So - he’s stupid too?

Son, what you reading fer?

[Rimbo 25229]

35 minutes ago, NAVY said:

Good ‘ol fashioned fatwa up in this bitch 

I mean dang, people haven't even gotten off with yet. Night Crew gonna head in here and wonder WTF happened

[Fudge Nuggets 18977]

5 hours ago, HillCountryBevo said:

I’m not a troll.

You are were dumbass. 

[Dahobbs 17227]

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

It's really not.

This brings up a point though.  There are elements of proof of an offense that the prosecution must meet to legally have proven their case.  If they fail on even one of the elements, a conviction cannot be sustained and should not be delivered by the jury's verdict or should be reversed on appeal.

That said, there are elements of persuasion that prosecutors feel they must meet in addition to the elements of proof in order to have a jury convict on the offense.  The classic example is "motive, opportunity, and means" to commit a murder.  You will find those elements nowhere in any statutory definition of murder or a related homicide offense.  Therefore, they are not elements of proof.  Some seem to think that they are required elements of persuasion, though.

Whether he fucked Stormy Daniels or not is utterly irrelevant to the case at bar.  Whether someone believes the jury must be persuaded of that in order to convict is a different story and likely an unknowable proposition.  They certainly will not be asked any jury questions on that issue.

Yup, but I might say it a bit differently. Murder doesn't require proof of motive, but it does require proof of intent. Evidencing motive is one way to prove intent (arguably the primary way). It is like you have a puzzle with a square piece to fill in. You may have multiple pieces that fit the square intent space (e.g., motive, confession, etc). Legally, it doesn't matter which one you put there, but you do need to choose one of them. 

[achooloco 962]

5 hours ago, HillCountryBevo said:

Imagine your basis of hating Trump is because of mean tweets, January 6 and “hush money” trial all because liberal media is crooked. Fuck right off. This is my last post in this forum 

dumb fucking liberals. Enjoy the increased inflation and WW3 if Biden gets elected again!! 

I’m not a troll. I’m a patriot and want the best for this country. Stupid fuck. 

Traitor bitch. Bye troll. Back to traitor trump doing anti-Christian shit and hypocrites still supporting him. 

[Born to Run 6314]

If you were writing a movie/tv show, and needed to create an Anti-Christ character... you wouldn't even have to change anything. He's perfect.

Seriously.

He embodies the antithesis of all of Christ's teaching. Petty, vindicative, cruel, wholly self-absorbed...

[Pato del Muerto 52094]

Echo chamber!!!!!!

[Satchel 6902]

1 hour ago, Teebox said:

I mean, he wore a TAN SUIT! 

The uppity SOB also put Dijon mustard on his Five Guys burger.

https://x.com/nowthisimpact/status/902358401321115648

[RomaVicta 29574]

Ms. Daniels, at this so-called encounter with President Donald Trump, you've said at times it was a dinner but then said no food was consumed. We have that in print, Ms. Daniels! Vogue magazine! Aren't you lying?

No. I was invited for a dinner that was never served.

Or so you say!

Objection!

Withdrawn. In this story about your alleged encounter with President-for-Life Trump-

Objection! Sustained

Did you, Ms. Daniels have a beverage?

Yes. I had a Diet Dr. Pepper.

Aha! Diet Dr. Pepper?

Yes.

Did everyone on the jury hear that? Diet. Doctor. Pepper. You know, Ms. Daniels, that God-King Trump 

Objection! Sustained.

-President Trump only drinks Diet Coke. 

No.

I'll also remind you of the Vogue interview. Do you recall?

Yes.

There you say you had a Diet Sprite! There were no sodas in that room other than Diet Coke, so how could you have acquired another soda? You can't even keep your story straight! One day it's Diet Dr. Pepper another day it's Diet Sprite! If you're lying about this, Miss Daniels, what else are you lying about? The defense rests!

['stache 21564]

Doesn't dotard put ketchup on well done steaks? When does that hearing begin? Automatic disqualification for participating in society, in my opinion.

[Rimbo 25229]

4 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Doesn't dotard put ketchup on well done steaks? When does that hearing begin? Automatic disqualification for participating in society, in my opinion.

just when I thought my opinion of him couldn't get any lower

[NAVY 6685]

24 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

I mean dang, people haven't even gotten off with yet. Night Crew gonna head in here and wonder WTF happened

Aww shit. Hadn’t even though about the pipe night crew is gonna lay 

[Art Vandelay 1705]

12 minutes ago, NAVY said:

Aww shit. Hadn’t even though about the pipe night crew is gonna lay 

[TwiceHorn 30850]

59 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Yup, but I might say it a bit differently. Murder doesn't require proof of motive, but it does require proof of intent. Evidencing motive is one way to prove intent (arguably the primary way). It is like you have a puzzle with a square piece to fill in. You may have multiple pieces that fit the square intent space (e.g., motive, confession, etc). Legally, it doesn't matter which one you put there, but you do need to choose one of them. 

Yeah some of those things are related to elements of proof, but strictly speaking are not elements of the crime.  Porking Stormy Daniels is not an element of the crime in this case.  It may be important for the jury to believe her on that issue if they are to secure a conviction, though.

Honestly, though, because the crime occurred almost entirely on Trump's side of things, his motive, his actions and the actions of his subordinates, and the understandings and observations of those things by guys like Pecker, Davidson,and Cohen, I think, are the important pieces of evidence for the prosecution for meeting their burden of proof of the elements of the offense.  Daniels may be there mostly to make Trump look like an asshole.

And, because her relevance is fairly slight, and the risk of her making him look like a complete asshole is great, Merchan was kind of queasy about the whole Daniels testimony.

Edited May 9 by TwiceHorn

[miguelito 11108]

39 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

 

[YGIFS 19445]

There’s a Cream of Mushroom joke in here somewhere if Kenny Bania has the courage to do what’s Gold.  

[Gatorubet 29665]

6 hours ago, HillCountryBevo said:

I’m not a troll. I’m a patriot and want the best for this country. Stupid fuck. 

The only people who refer to themselves as “patriots” now are smooth brain traitors, fake Christians and those that grift the former two.  You should’ve gotten the memo.   But I complement you for hitting every stupid talking point that Fox puts in your brain.

[MrBig 5182]

Stormy Daniels: Dinner is sex. I’m keeping it classy by not just calling it coffee.

[Gatorubet 29665]

1 hour ago, speed817 said:

He tried it, but forgot he wasn’t in a small town. 

[dcbc 14254]

9 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yeah some of those things are related to elements of proof, but strictly speaking are not elements of the crime.  Porking Stormy Daniels is not an element of the crime in this case.  It may be important for the jury to believe her on that issue if they are to secure a conviction, though.

Honestly, though, because the crime occurred almost entirely on Trump's side of things, his motive, his actions and the actions of his subordinates, and the understandings and observations of those things by guys like Pecker, Davidson,and Cohen, I think, are the important pieces of evidence for the prosecution for meeting their burden of proof of the elements of the offense.  Daniels may be there mostly to make Trump look like an asshole.

And, because her relevance is fairly slight, and the risk of her making him look like a complete asshole is great, Merchan was kind of queasy about the whole Daniels testimony.

As I mentioned before, while it may not be relevant in a technical sense, do we really want to be talking about an NDA about nothing?  In the end, the question of its relevance has been waived by the defense and any harm on its admission is a non issue because the defense repeatedly brought up the veracity of her testimony on the question of whether they had sex. 

[HenryJames 65525]

34 minutes ago, Art Vandelay said:

[Bozo_Casanova 25874]

3 hours ago, Rimbo said:

 Or for nothing, this Pastor reminds me of the old Protestant Evangelical pastors, preachers who weren’t afraid to come out with the rod and staff and even break the legs of their lambs if they had to in order to protect the flock. 

 

Edited May 9 by Bozo_Casanova

[TwiceHorn 30850]

1 hour ago, dcbc said:

As I mentioned before, while it may not be relevant in a technical sense, do we really want to be talking about an NDA about nothing?  In the end, the question of its relevance has been waived by the defense and any harm on its admission is a non issue because the defense repeatedly brought up the veracity of her testimony on the question of whether they had sex. 

Yeah, like some of the other things, the prosecution may feel like the jury MUST hear from Stormy Daniels in this case, even though she doesn't know a whole lot germane to the actual charges.

For the peanut gallery, that's a real thing:  sometimes you put on a witness or testimony that has almost nothing to do with anything because the jury would be disappointed, severely, not to hear that testimony or from that witness.  You fear they may hold that against you in deciding the jury questions on the really relevant evidence.

Like the inventors on patents half the time have very little of substance to offer the patent infringement case.  But by God, if you can get em, you put em on the stand and try to have em tell a dazzling story about the invention.

It's window dressing.  Stormy may be window dressing, but she also has the potential ability to make Trump look like shit.

Edited May 9 by TwiceHorn

[Biff Tannen 45151]

Aw man, did I miss a troll/magat?

[Brisketexan 103602]

5 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yeah, like some of the other things, the prosecution may feel like the jury MUST hear from Stormy Daniels in this case, even though she doesn't know a whole lot germane to the actual charges.

For the peanut gallery, that's a real thing:  sometimes you put on a witness or testimony that has almost nothing to do with anything because the jury would be disappointed, severely, not to hear that testimony or from that witness.  You fear they may hold that against you in deciding the jury questions on the really relevant evidence.

Like the inventors on patents half the time have very little of substance to offer the patent infringement case.  But by God, if you can get em, you put em on the stand and try to have em tell a dazzling story about the invention.

It's window dressing.  Stormy may be window dressing, but she also has the potential ability to make Trump look like shit.

This.  There are often witnesses who you have to put on -- you don't need them to PROVE your case, but you damned well need them to WIN your case.

If they didn't put on Stormy, the jury would have wondered what they were hiding.  As an added bonus, she made Trump look like the piece of shit that he is.  Making the other side look like a piece of shit in the eyes of the jury is always a good idea, if you can pull it off.

[Chewbacca 7620]

4 hours ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Like they've ever hit the left button.  

They tell themselves they do, after they hit the right button.

[texas08 1595]

8 hours ago, SmokeyTheBear said:

Are you actually an American citizen who knows proper grammar?

100% guaranteed this troll is a “white” Latino.

[HornOnTheBayou 8853]

3 hours ago, C-Man said:

And @HillCountryBevo's gone. Good job, lads.

 

I don't know why y'all ran off immamac's friend like that.

[MrBig 5182]

35 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

This.  There are often witnesses who you have to put on -- you don't need them to PROVE your case, but you damned well need them to WIN your case.

If they didn't put on Stormy, the jury would have wondered what they were hiding.  As an added bonus, she made Trump look like the piece of shit that he is.  Making the other side look like a piece of shit in the eyes of the jury is always a good idea, if you can pull it off.

He sells merch too. She’s planted the seed that, hey, no matter what you think of me, yes I sell merchandise to make $$ the same way Trump sells merchandise to make $$. 

[Rimbo 25229]

55 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Aw man, did I miss a troll/magat?

 

[Pancho 42841]

 

[The Dog 43408]

Meeting of the minds:

 

[RDCanecutter 25968]

1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

Aw man, did I miss a troll/magat?

Welcome to Twinkytown Dinnah Theatah, where we enjoy RDCanecutter's one-person play, Who's Afraid of Virginia Libtard:

"Ah'm a proud man from the Hill Country, and my libtard landlord is too. That's why I give him money because he's the dumbass. No wait Ah tolt it wrong.

Anyway Ah used to be Burnt Ends but I quit because Ah don't like some other libtards (not my landlord) who say random things contrary to mah beliefs on a subsection of a Texas sports board. Mmmm.

And Biden, Biden's handlers, the Uniparty, and all the tarded libtards (also not my landlord) from Austin California will dance the Dance of Doomed Souls in Hell unless a multi-bankrupt New York real estate guy gets elected. Not that he didn't already (cuz he did) but THIRD TIME IS THE CHARM."

Lights dim.

[BamaATL 16209]

3 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

Welcome to Twinkytown Dinnah Theatah, where we enjoy RDCanecutter's one-person play, Who's Afraid of Virginia Libtard:

"Ah'm a proud man from the Hill Country, and my libtard landlord is too. That's why I give him money because he's the dumbass. No wait Ah tolt it wrong.

Anyway Ah used to be Burnt Ends but I quit because Ah don't like some other libtards (not my landlord) who say random things contrary to mah beliefs on a subsection of a Texas sports board. Mmmm.

And Biden, Biden's handlers, the Uniparty, and all the tarded libtards (also not my landlord) from Austin California will dance the Dance of Doomed Souls in Hell unless a multi-bankrupt New York real estate guy gets elected. Not that he didn't already (cuz he did) but THIRD TIME IS THE CHARM."

Lights dim.

This hits a bit too close to home for me.  I have a long time tenant that is a hardcore Trumper.  At one point he wasn't paying rent and so I went an visited and he offered to give me his 96 Grand Cherokee in lieu of rent.  I asked him how he was going to get to work if he didn't have the truck, his response floored me, "well it doesn't run, which is why I haven't been going to work, and also why I can't pay the rent.  Do you think you could give me a ride for a while after I give you the truck?"  Instead I offered to look at the truck and quickly determined the starter was bad, I went to the store, got it and put it in for him.  Eventually, I got my money back.  

Absolutely baffling.  This is what we are dealing with.  Also, if you are in the landlord game, this also is the type of lunacy you can expect.  

[atomheartbevo 89015]

4 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

This hits a bit too close to home for me.  I have a long time tenant that is a hardcore Trumper.  At one point he wasn't paying rent and so I went an visited and he offered to give me his 96 Grand Cherokee in lieu of rent.  I asked him how he was going to get to work if he didn't have the truck, his response floored me, "well it doesn't run, which is why I haven't been going to work, and also why I can't pay the rent.  Do you think you could give me a ride for a while after I give you the truck?"  Instead I offered to look at the truck and quickly determined the starter was bad, I went to the store, got it and put it in for him.  Eventually, I got my money back.  

Absolutely baffling.  This is what we are dealing with.  Also, if you are in the landlord game, this also is the type of lunacy you can expect.  

That’s a lot of words to say you passed up a ‘96 Grand Cherokee.

Edited May 10 by atomheartbevo

[RDCanecutter 25968]

3 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

This hits a bit too close to home for me.  I have a long time tenant that is a hardcore Trumper.  At one point he wasn't paying rent and so I went an visited and he offered to give me his 96 Grand Cherokee in lieu of rent.  I asked him how he was going to get to work if he didn't have the truck, his response floored me, "well it doesn't run, which is why I haven't been going to work, and also why I can't pay the rent.  Do you think you could give me a ride for a while after I give you the truck?"  Instead I offered to look at the truck and quickly determined the starter was bad, I went to the store, got it and put it in for him.  Eventually, I got my money back.  

Absolutely baffling.  This is what we are dealing with.  Also, if you are in the landlord game, this also is the type of lunacy you can expect.  

1. Closest I got to the landlord game was teaching College Orientation for new students (who probably have a story about where the rent money went.) My first lesson to them was "Show Up," and everything else was padding so I could draw a check.

2. I also dipped my toe into that world a while back offering to buy gold and silver. You'd be amazed at how much gold and silver there is in the world. This steel chain is silver. Those Canadian dollar coins from last year are gold. Why do you want to cheat us.

3. How much does he want for the Grand Cherokee?

[Fudge Nuggets 18977]

The MSNBC guy should troll him and say no way in hell dotard has the guts to get on the stand. 

[BamaATL 16209]

1 minute ago, RDCanecutter said:

1. Closest I got to the landlord game was teaching College Orientation for new students (who probably have a story about where the rent money went.) My first lesson to them was "Show Up," and everything else was padding so I could draw a check.

2. I also dipped my toe into that world a while back offering to buy gold and silver. You'd be amazed at how much gold and silver there is in the world. This steel chain is silver. Those Canadian dollar coins from last year are gold. Why do you want to cheat us.

3. How much does he want for the Grand Cherokee?

Well, he was attempting to trade for 2 months rent in 2022 dollars, so about $3500 I guess.  I have no idea if this would have been a good deal or not.   It wasn't to me, I don't want you to pay me once, I want you to pay me in perpetuity.  

[Rimbo 25229]

16 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

Also, if you are in the landlord game, this also is the type of lunacy you can expect.

I am, but my tenants are college students, usually engineering/science type majors. My experience is therefore... different.

[RDCanecutter 25968]

5 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

Well, he was attempting to trade for 2 months rent in 2022 dollars, so about $3500 I guess.  I have no idea if this would have been a good deal or not.   It wasn't to me, I don't want you to pay me once, I want you to pay me in perpetuity.  

It sounds like y'all have a delicate ecosystem where any interference would result in collapse and extinction.

I should pass anyway. I am looking for a simple waterproof box that rolls so I can transport art. Something dripping sexxay like a Honda Element.

[Fudge Nuggets 18977]

On 5/8/2024 at 7:26 PM, BamaATL said:

Nothing gets the ladies going quite like a little "Fuck Martinez"

The real classy broads are into "Face down, ass up"

I know it's been posted many times, and I don't give a shit.  Still one of the greatest moments in television history.

 

[Gatorubet 29665]

44 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

The MSNBC guy should troll him and say no way in hell dotard has the guts to get on the stand. 

Stormy beat him to it

 

[atomheartbevo 89015]

43 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

The real classy broads are into "Face down, ass up"

I know it's been posted many times, and I don't give a shit.  Still one of the greatest moments in television history.

“Phil Donahue?  We thought this was a Phil Collins concert.”

[RDCanecutter 25968]

17 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

Stormy beat him to it

 

"SHE CAINT SAY THAT-- THAT'S CONTEMPT OF COURT CUZ SHE'S TRYIN TO TIMIDATE HIM"-- the checkout line of a Northwest Georgia Walmart.

[Gatorubet 29665]

WARNING! Drunk lawyer war story!

Trump‘s lawyer who crossed stormy reminds me of an attorney for Traveler’s insurance who attacked my very sketchy client in a jury trial when I was a young lawyer.   It is gospel among good plaintiff trial lawyers that you are never rude and in attack mode on a witness unless you have an unusually bad witness who’s done truly terrible things that you can easily prove.    Jurors do not like to watch you being mean to a witness. Period.  

This defense attorney’s demeanor was resting bitch face when she was at her best, but most of the time she was scowling and almost scream-spitting at my witnesses.   Let me repeat, my case was so friggin horrible that the insurance company took a meager cost of defense settlement off the table on the day of trial.  

During the direct of my client, she pulled out a deposition and started grilling him in a similar bunny in the pot/I won ‘t be ignored type manner - like stormy was grilled but worse. She exaggerated what my client had said, and not so subtly misrepresented some of his deposition testimony in questions. 

As the cross went on, I could see her thinking she had a killshot about his drinking before the accident happened. She bowed up, shoved the deposition in his face, and insisted that he read that she thought was different than his trial testimony.  He shook his head and declined, and before the judge could intervene to instruct him to answer, she went on a tear about not being honest with the jury and refusing to read the deposition to them.   At that moment, several big tears dribbled down his cheek.   He swallowed, turned to the jury and told them, “I’m sorry I never learned to read.”

I won the trial with a 9-3 plaintiff verdict.    I can honestly say I never could’ve done it without her.   I was getting some of that vibe as I read some of the transcript of today’s hearing.   Being Nasty to Stormy will make Trump very happy, but there is a fair to good chance that it pushes the jury away from Trump and his lawyers more than they needed. 

tl;dr

I think being mean to Stormy on cross today backfired Bigly

[atomheartbevo 89015]

 

 

[atomheartbevo 89015]

 

we really can’t forget this one from earlier
 

[Satchel 6902]

8 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

Oh, let us count the ways.

 

 

It’s hard to counter them lying about “being led by the Holy Spirit” to support Trump.

[hobbes2702 12533]

3 hours ago, HornOnTheBayou said:

I don't know why y'all ran off immamac's friend like that.