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16 minutes ago, tx ind said:

The sentencing getting scheduled 4 days before the convention is a mistake; they should wait and do it after the convention.  He’ll milk whatever sentence they give him at the convention as a last chance to galvanize his side. If it’s light he’ll play that up, if it’s jail time he’ll pander to the audience on that too. Can’t give him that oxygen going into the convention.

Also, kinda sucks that the n-word story from yesterday morning is nowhere right now.

It's my understanding his team chose that date, probably for this reason.

 

12 minutes ago, Welshy said:

Guess we know who you've been donating to.
I've been getting:
"This 700% MATCH to defeat Trump has Just been extended!! PLEASE - See now! This wont last!!
Dems United!!!"

Same. Getting 3-4 of those per day. I got a text from Robert DeNiro today too!

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21 minutes ago, tx ind said:

Also, kinda sucks that the n-word story from yesterday morning is nowhere right now.

I never actually heard that there is a recording that you or I can actually hear, only that one 'exists'. If it doesn't actually get played to the world, that is not going to amount to anything.

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1 hour ago, Gatorubet said:

I honestly don’t keep drinking the good stuff because after my third or fourth (or fifth) glass, it doesn’t make that much difference.. 

I thought we all learned this strategy back in high school / college.  Get a 6-pack of some halfway decent stuff and load up on absolute swill for bulk quantities.  When I was in school PBR was some of the cheapest shit that you could actually choke down - the next day was horrible, but consumption usually went to plan.  Hell, I remember seeing it sell for less than Coca-Cola most of the time.

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2 hours ago, Goredho said:

(Opening Facebook) Let’s see what my old west Texas highschool chums are up to.

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(Closes Facebook)

I love him, I love him, I love him
And where He goes I'll follow, I'll follow, I'll follow


I will follow him
Follow him, wherever he may go
There isn't an ocean too deep
A mountain so high it can keep me away

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9 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

No one ever lists the disciples as role models.

They weren’t even real people. They’re just minor fictional characters in a pretty boring story. It’s like saying you admire Mace Windu.

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4 hours ago, Askew said:

Fair enough and likely true. I am just stating my general assumption that a spouse usually has less access to business records than personal records. 

The fact that she’s been mostly absent through all of this is pretty telling.

I mean, she could have decided she’d rather spend her time with her Secret Service agents and we shouldn’t judge her for that.

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23 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

They weren’t even real people. They’re just minor fictional characters in a pretty boring story. It’s like saying you admire Mace Windu.

the second baddest jedi in the universe?

 

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4 hours ago, TexArcher said:

I'm afraid that either Trump wins in November, or that mob is gonna make us all forget about Jan 6th.

The mob has had their chance, several times now.  They didn’t surround the White House and try and keep him in power when Biden was sworn in.  They didn’t show up armed and ready to roll (outside of the Rascal users) yesterday. They’ve shed so many tears over Trump being convicted, these are not serious people.

Their last shot is going to be in July at his sentencing.  It won’t be November when Biden is in charge of the federal government, nor will it be in January when the electoral votes are counted because, again the feds are under Biden.

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MAGAts are busy trying to dox jurors: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/rcna154882

One of these lunatics is going to attack, if not kill, at least one juror.

 

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WASHINGTON — The 34 felony guilty verdicts returned Thursday against former President Donald Trump spurred a wave of violent rhetoric aimed at the prosecutors who secured his conviction, the judge who oversaw the case and the ordinary jurors who unanimously agreed there was no reasonable doubt that the presumptive Republican presidential nominee falsified business records related to hush money payments to a porn star to benefit his 2016 campaign.

Advance Democracy, a non-profit that conducts public interest research, said there has been a high volume of social media posts containing violent rhetoric targeting New York Judge Juan Merchan and Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, including a post with Bragg’s purported home address. The group also found posts of the purported addresses of jurors on a fringe internet message board known for pro-Trump content and harassing and violent posts, although it is unclear if any actual jurors had been correctly identified.

The posts, which have been reviewed by NBC News, appear on many of the same websites used by Trump supporters to organize for violence ahead of the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol. These forums were hotbeds of threats inspired by Trump’s lies about the 2020 election, which he lost, and that the voting system was “rigged” against him. They now feature new threats echoing Trump’s rhetoric and false claims about the hush money trial, including that the judicial system is now “rigged” against him.

“Dox the Jurors. Dox them now,” one user wrote after Trump’s conviction on a website formerly known as “The Donald,” which was popular among participants in the Capitol attack. (That post appears to have been quickly removed by moderators.)

“We need to identify each juror. Then make them miserable. Maybe even suicidal,” wrote another user on the same forum. “1,000,000 men (armed) need to go to washington and hang everyone. That’s the only solution,” wrote another user. “This s--- is out of control.”

“I hope every juror is doxxed and they pay for what they have done,” another user wrote on Trump’s Truth Social platform Thursday. “May God strike them dead. We will on November 5th and they will pay!”

“War,” read a Telegram post from one chapter of the Proud Boys, the far-right group whose former chair and three other members were convicted of seditious conspiracy because of their actions at the Capitol on Jan. 6, just a few months after Trump infamously told the group to “stand back and stand by“ during a 2020 debate.

“Now you understand. To save your nation, you must fight. The time to respond is now. Franco Friday has begun,” another Proud Boys chapter wrote, apparently referring to fascist dictator Francisco Franco of Spain.

One Jan. 6 defendant who already served time in prison for his role in the Capitol attack also weighed in on X, posting a photo of Bragg and a photo of a noose. “January 20, 2025 traitors Get The Rope,” he wrote, referring to the date of the next presidential inauguration.

The threats fit into an ongoing pattern. An NBC News analysis of Trump’s Truth Social posts earlier this year showed that he frequently uses the platform as a megaphone to attack people involved in his legal cases — and some of his supporters have responded. When the FBI searched Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate in 2022, a Trump supporter who had been at the Capitol on Jan. 6 sent angry posts about the search and then attacked an FBI field office. When Trump made a social media post last June that included former President Barack Obama’s home address, a Jan. 6 rioter re-posted it and then showed up at the residence. When Trump was indicted in Georgia in August, his supporters posted the purported names and addresses of members of the grand jury. Special counsel Jack Smith, who is overseeing Trump’s federal election interference case in Washington, was the target of an attempted swatting on Christmas day. So, too, was U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan, who will oversee that trial, if the Supreme Court allows it to go forward (though that could change if Trump wins in November). When Michael Fanone — the former police officer nearly killed on Jan. 6 by Trump supporters who believed the former president’s lies about the 2020 election — criticized Trump at a press conference outside the hush money trial earlier this week, his mother was swatted. When Trump and conservative media outlets spread false information about the jury instructions in the hush money case this week, threats against Merchan rolled in. 

“We are continuing to see a dangerous erosion of democratic norms,” Daniel J. Jones, president of Advance Democracy, said in a statement to NBC News. “Trump and his allies have been spreading disinformation about the trial, challenging Justice Merchan’s impartiality, and describing the entire process as ‘rigged’ for weeks. As such, it’s not a surprise that some of his most fervent supporters are now calling for doxxing and violence against jurors, the judge, and the district attorney.”

Jones said online activity has been increasing in the wake of Trump’s guilty verdict, which makes it important for elected officials to “speak out against the disinformation Trump is spreading, as well the calls for violence he’s inspiring.”

 

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2 hours ago, Guadaloopy said:

Here’s the latest I’m seeing from the duped on FB:

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All my role models made shit up?

 

2 hours ago, Goredho said:

(Opening Facebook) Let’s see what my old west Texas highschool chums are up to.

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(Closes Facebook)

And Donald J Trump is wiling to die for your sins too, most selfless man you’ll ever met, not in it for himself, no way.

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7 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

The mob has had their chance, several times now.  They didn’t surround the White House and try and keep him in power when Biden was sworn in.  They didn’t show up armed and ready to roll (outside of the Rascal users) yesterday. They’ve shed so many tears over Trump being convicted, these are not serious people.

Their last shot is going to be in July at his sentencing.  It won’t be November when Biden is in charge of the federal government, nor will it be in January when the electoral votes are counted because, again the feds are under Biden.

The mob is fickle, brother....

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One Jan. 6 defendant who already served time in prison for his role in the Capitol attack also weighed in on X, posting a photo of Bragg and a photo of a noose. “January 20, 2025 traitors Get The Rope,” he wrote, referring to the date of the next presidential inauguration.

 

 

Chances of this cocksucker being on probation or parole? 

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3 hours ago, Dnaguy said:

Watching this is interesting.

As crazy as he seemed AT the time, this comes across measured and with some ring of truth.

I mean, it’s weird to say, but I can see more and more why people voted for him the first time and just how flawed a candidate Hillary was and how the media + Comey propagated / enhanced the flaws

That being said, I have no empathy or understanding on those who support him now. He’s a shell of the 2016 candidate, yet the full on leader of a cult that’s overtaken the GOP. I give no quarters to the current Trump supporter. 

Baseless Republican accusations and decades of character assassination didn’t make Hillary a flawed candidate. 

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1 hour ago, tx ind said:

The sentencing getting scheduled 4 days before the convention is a mistake; they should wait and do it after the convention.  He’ll milk whatever sentence they give him at the convention as a last chance to  galvanize his side. If it’s light he’ll play that up, if it’s jail time he’ll pander to the audience on that too. Can’t give him that oxygen going into the convention.

Also, kinda sucks that the n-word story from yesterday morning is nowhere right now.

What if he's immediately remanded into custody after sentencing? That would be quite an enjoyable convention clusterfuck lol

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15 minutes ago, C-Man said:

MAGAts are busy trying to dox jurors: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/rcna154882

One of these lunatics is going to attack, if not kill, at least one juror.

I was just getting caught up so I could post this article from Reuters along the same lines. I'm not nearly as sanguine as AtomHeart about all of this:

Trump supporters call for riots and violent retribution after verdict

May 31 - Supporters of former President Donald Trump, enraged by his conviction on 34 felony counts by a New York jury, flooded pro-Trump websites with calls for riots, revolution and violent retribution.

After Trump became the first U.S. president to be convicted of a crime, his supporters responded with dozens of violent online posts, according to a Reuters review of comments on three Trump-aligned websites: the former president's own Truth Social platform, Patriots.Win and the Gateway Pundit.

Some called for attacks on jurors, the execution of the judge, Justice Juan Merchan, or outright civil war and armed insurrection.

“Someone in NY with nothing to lose needs to take care of Merchan,” wrote one commentator on Patriots.Win. “Hopefully he gets met with illegals with a machete,” the post said in reference to illegal immigrants.

On Gateway Pundit, one poster suggested shooting liberals after the verdict. “Time to start capping some leftys,” said the post. “This cannot be fixed by voting."

Threats of violence and intimidating rhetoric soared after Trump lost the 2020 election and falsely claimed the vote was stolen. As he campaigns for a second White House term, Trump has baselessly cast the judges and prosecutors in his trials as corrupt tools of the Biden administration, intent on sabotaging his White House bid. His loyalists have responded with a campaign of threats and intimidation targeting judges and court officials.

“This was a disgrace, this was a rigged trial by a conflicted judge who was corrupt,” Trump told reporters afterwards, echoing comments he often made during the trial.

A 12-member jury found Trump guilty on Thursday of falsifying documents to cover up a payment to silence a porn star’s account of a sexual encounter ahead of the 2016 election. Sentencing is set for July 11, days before the Republican Party is scheduled to formally nominate Trump for president ahead of the Nov. 5 election. Trump has denied wrongdoing and is expected to appeal.

Trump continued his attacks online after the verdict.

On Truth Social, he called Merchan “HIGHLY CONFLICTED” and criticized his jury instructions as unfair. One commentator responded by posting a picture of a hangman's platform and a noose with the caption: “TREASONOUS MOBSTER OF THE JUSTICES SYSTEM!!”

Jacob Ware, a co-author of the book “God, Guns, and Sedition: Far-Right Terrorism in America”, said the violent language used by Trump’s followers was testament to the former president’s “ironclad ability to mobilize more extreme supporters to action, both at the ballot box and through violence.”

“Until and unless he accepts the process, the extremist reaction to his legal troubles will be militant,” said Ware, a research fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations.

A spokesperson for Truth Social said, “It’s hard to believe that Reuters, once a respected news service, has fallen so low as to publish such a manipulative, false, defamatory and transparently stupid article as this one purely out of political spite.”

All three sites have policies against violent language, and some of the posts were later removed. Representatives of Patriots.Win and Gateway Pundit did not immediately return requests for comment. A Trump spokesperson also did not respond to an email seeking comment.

“HANG EVERYONE”
After Thursday's verdict, many of his supporters also said that his conviction was proof that the American political system was broken and that only violent action could save the country.

“1,000,000 men (armed) need to go to Washington and hang everyone. That's the only solution,” said one poster on Patriots.win. Another added: “Trump should already know he has an army willing to fight and die for him if he says the words...I’ll take up arms if he asks.”

Other posts specifically urged targeting Democrats, in some cases suggesting they be shot. “AMERICA FULLY DESTROYED BY DEMOCRATS. LOCK AND LOAD,” wrote a commentator on Gateway Pundit.

While the posts identified by Reuters all called for violence or insurrection, most fell short of the legal standard for a prosecutable threat, which typically requires evidence that the comment reflects a clear intent to act or instill fear, rather than simply suggesting a frightening outcome.

Still, one researcher who studies extremist militias said the guilty verdict could inspire violence by reinforcing a conviction among some of Trump's supporters that he's a victim of a conspiracy orchestrated by his enemies.

“I do think a lot of these folks have been looking for an excuse to maybe mobilize for a while,” said Amy Cooter of the Middlebury Institute of International Studies’ Center on Terrorism, Extremism and Counterterrorism. “I hope I’m wrong. I’ve said for a long time, though, that I would not be shocked to see violence result from a guilty verdict, either directed toward the jurors” or others connected to the case.

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Knowing my luck, asshole will drop dead the day after the Horns win a national championship.  I can no longer puke and rally like the good old days and I'll be too hungover to fully enjoy the best two day stretch in the history of the world.

10 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

One Jan. 6 defendant who already served time in prison for his role in the Capitol attack also weighed in on X, posting a photo of Bragg and a photo of a noose. “January 20, 2025 traitors Get The Rope,” he wrote, referring to the date of the next presidential inauguration.

 

 

Chances of this cocksucker being on probation or parole? 

For sure he's a realtor.

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2 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Also…yesterday was a dry-run of my nightmare scenario: big Trump news, and I was in full-on hearing prep, no real time to do anything but work. I didn’t get to celebrate, or gloat, or even watch coverage.

I live in fear that the day he dies, I’ll be in trial or something and won’t be able to run out in the street and chug champagne with my fellow patriots.

Yeah, partner—don’t worry about it. I celebrated enough for the both of us.

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3 hours ago, Goredho said:

(Opening Facebook) Let’s see what my old west Texas highschool chums are up to.

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(Closes Facebook)

You should ask if it was for paying a pornstar to keep quiet about their fucking

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3 hours ago, Guadaloopy said:

Here’s the latest I’m seeing from the duped on FB:

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Jesus was detained. Paul and Peter both did time. Joseph did time for rape charges. Daniel didn't do prison time and John was just banished.

As I recall, Peter once escaped with the help of angels and Daniel survived the night in the lions den with the aid of an angel.

So, I suggest we throw Trump in a deep dark hole and wait to see if an angel saves him.

 

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22 minutes ago, bolverk said:

I was just getting caught up so I could post this article from Reuters along the same lines. I'm not nearly as sanguine as AtomHeart about all of this:

Trump supporters call for riots and violent retribution after verdict

May 31 - Supporters of former President Donald Trump, enraged by his conviction on 34 felony counts by a New York jury, flooded pro-Trump websites with calls for riots, revolution and violent retribution.

After Trump became the first U.S. president to be convicted of a crime, his supporters responded with dozens of violent online posts, according to a Reuters review of comments on three Trump-aligned websites: the former president's own Truth Social platform, Patriots.Win and the Gateway Pundit.

Some called for attacks on jurors, the execution of the judge, Justice Juan Merchan, or outright civil war and armed insurrection.

“Someone in NY with nothing to lose needs to take care of Merchan,” wrote one commentator on Patriots.Win. “Hopefully he gets met with illegals with a machete,” the post said in reference to illegal immigrants.

On Gateway Pundit, one poster suggested shooting liberals after the verdict. “Time to start capping some leftys,” said the post. “This cannot be fixed by voting."

Threats of violence and intimidating rhetoric soared after Trump lost the 2020 election and falsely claimed the vote was stolen. As he campaigns for a second White House term, Trump has baselessly cast the judges and prosecutors in his trials as corrupt tools of the Biden administration, intent on sabotaging his White House bid. His loyalists have responded with a campaign of threats and intimidation targeting judges and court officials.

“This was a disgrace, this was a rigged trial by a conflicted judge who was corrupt,” Trump told reporters afterwards, echoing comments he often made during the trial.

A 12-member jury found Trump guilty on Thursday of falsifying documents to cover up a payment to silence a porn star’s account of a sexual encounter ahead of the 2016 election. Sentencing is set for July 11, days before the Republican Party is scheduled to formally nominate Trump for president ahead of the Nov. 5 election. Trump has denied wrongdoing and is expected to appeal.

Trump continued his attacks online after the verdict.

On Truth Social, he called Merchan “HIGHLY CONFLICTED” and criticized his jury instructions as unfair. One commentator responded by posting a picture of a hangman's platform and a noose with the caption: “TREASONOUS MOBSTER OF THE JUSTICES SYSTEM!!”

Jacob Ware, a co-author of the book “God, Guns, and Sedition: Far-Right Terrorism in America”, said the violent language used by Trump’s followers was testament to the former president’s “ironclad ability to mobilize more extreme supporters to action, both at the ballot box and through violence.”

“Until and unless he accepts the process, the extremist reaction to his legal troubles will be militant,” said Ware, a research fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations.

A spokesperson for Truth Social said, “It’s hard to believe that Reuters, once a respected news service, has fallen so low as to publish such a manipulative, false, defamatory and transparently stupid article as this one purely out of political spite.”

All three sites have policies against violent language, and some of the posts were later removed. Representatives of Patriots.Win and Gateway Pundit did not immediately return requests for comment. A Trump spokesperson also did not respond to an email seeking comment.

“HANG EVERYONE”
After Thursday's verdict, many of his supporters also said that his conviction was proof that the American political system was broken and that only violent action could save the country.

“1,000,000 men (armed) need to go to Washington and hang everyone. That's the only solution,” said one poster on Patriots.win. Another added: “Trump should already know he has an army willing to fight and die for him if he says the words...I’ll take up arms if he asks.”

Other posts specifically urged targeting Democrats, in some cases suggesting they be shot. “AMERICA FULLY DESTROYED BY DEMOCRATS. LOCK AND LOAD,” wrote a commentator on Gateway Pundit.

While the posts identified by Reuters all called for violence or insurrection, most fell short of the legal standard for a prosecutable threat, which typically requires evidence that the comment reflects a clear intent to act or instill fear, rather than simply suggesting a frightening outcome.

Still, one researcher who studies extremist militias said the guilty verdict could inspire violence by reinforcing a conviction among some of Trump's supporters that he's a victim of a conspiracy orchestrated by his enemies.

“I do think a lot of these folks have been looking for an excuse to maybe mobilize for a while,” said Amy Cooter of the Middlebury Institute of International Studies’ Center on Terrorism, Extremism and Counterterrorism. “I hope I’m wrong. I’ve said for a long time, though, that I would not be shocked to see violence result from a guilty verdict, either directed toward the jurors” or others connected to the case.

i have it on good authority that every one of these is a fed/lib plant

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1 hour ago, pantone159 said:

I never actually heard that there is a recording that you or I can actually hear, only that one 'exists'. If it doesn't actually get played to the world, that is not going to amount to anything.

Hopefully in October if it actually exists.

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Thank you very much, everybody.

This is a case where if they can do this to me, they can do this to anyone. These are bad people,. These are in many cases, I believe, sick people. When you look at our country what is happening, where millions of people are flowing in from all parts of the world—not just South America, from Africa, from Asia, from the Middle East, coming in from jails and prisons and coming in from mental institutions and insane asylums. They are coming in from all over the world into our country. And we have a president and a group of fascists that do not want to do anything about it. Today they could stop it, but he is not. They are destroying our country. 

Our country is in bad shape, and they are against me saying these things. They want to raise your taxes by four times. They want to stop you from having cars with their ridiculous mandates to make it impossible for you to get a car or afford a car. They want to make it very possible for China to build all of our cars. It is a very serious problem that we have.

We just went through one of many experiences where we had a conflicted judge, highly conflicted, there has never been a more than conflicted judge. 

I am under a gag which no presidential candidate has ever been under before. I am under a nasty gag order, wherever i've had to pay thousands of dollars in penalties and fines and was threatened with jail. Think of it. I am the leading candidate. I am leading Viden by a lot, and I am leading eepublicans to the point where that is over. I am the leading person for president and I am under a gag order, by a man who cannot put two sentences together, given by the court and they are total conjunction by the White House and the DOJ. This is done by Biden and his people, maybe his people more importantly, because I do not know if I did notice too much about it.

He is nevertheless the president, so we have to use the name. This is done by Washington.. Nobody has ever seen anything like it. We have a judge who is highly conflicted. You know what the conflict is. Nobody wants to write about it, and I'm not allowed to talk about it. If I do, he said, I could put in jail. We will play that game of the will bit longer. You are allowed to talk about it. I hope you do. There never been anyone so conflicted as this. 

As far as the trial itself, it was very unfair. We were not allowed to use our election expert under any circumstances. You saw what happened to some of the witnesses that were on our side. They were literally crucified by this man who looks like an angel, but he is really a devil. It looks so nice and soft. People say he'd seems like such a nice man. If you saw him in action, and you saw that with a certain witness that went through hell, when we wanted to do things he would not let us do those things. When the government wanted something they got everything, they got everything they wanted. It was a rigged trial. 

We wanted a venue change where we could have a fair trial. We did not get it. We wanted a judge change. We wanted a judge that was not conflicted. Obviously he did not do that. Nobody is ever seen anything like it. We had a failed D.A. Crime is rampant in New York, violent crime. That is what he is supposed to be looking at. Crime is rampant in New York. Yesterday at McDonald's you had a man with a machete. Who can imagine a machete being wielded in a store come in to a place where they are eating and he is rampant and Bragg is down watching a trial on what they call crimes. 

Falsifying business records. To me it sounds very bad. It is only a misdemeanor, but to me it sounds so bad when they say falsifying business records. That is a bad thing for me. You know what falsifying business records is? They say falsifying business records means the legal expense. I paid a lawyer. Totally legal,. I paid a lawyer a legal expense and a bookkeeper, without any knowledge from me, correctly market down in the books. A very professional woman, highly respected, she testified, walk—marked the data the books as a legal expense. A legal expense is a legal expense in the books. It is not sheet-rock construction or any other thing. It is a legal expense. Think of that. This is what the falsification of business records were. I said what else are you going to call it? What else are you going to call it? 

i wanted to testify. The theory is you never testify—anybody—if it were George Washington. Don't testify, because they will get you on something you said slightly wrong, and they will sue you for perjury. i did not care about that. The judge allowed them to go into everything I was ever involved in, not this case, which is a first. You can go into every single thing that I ever did. Was he a bad boy here? Was he a bad boy there? All you need to do is testify simply on the case. I would love to have testified. You would have said something out of whack like "it was a beautiful sunny day" and it was raining. And I very much appreciate the big crowd of people outside. That is incredible what is happening. The level of support has been incredible.

The whole thing is legal expense was marked down as legal expense. This is the crime that I committed, that I'm supposed to go to jail for 187 years for when you have violent crime all over the city at levels nobody has ever seen before, where you have businesses leaving. Businesses are leaving because heads of businesses say we do not want to get involved with that. 

I could go through the books of any business in the city. And I could find things that in theory, let's indict him, let's destroy his life. I am out there, and I do not mind being out there, because I'm doing something for this country and our constitution.

It is far beyond me.

This cannot be allowed to happen to other presidents. It should never be allowed to happen in the future. This is bigger than trump. This is bigger than my presidency. The people understand it, because I just saw I just see a poll, Daily Mail, done last night after the verdict where i am up six points , six points from what we already were. We were leading substantially. We are up six points. Maybe other polls come out and say something differently, because the public understands what is going on. This is a scam. This is a rigged trial. It should not have been that venue. We should not have had that judge. He should have allowed us to have an election expert. We had the best expert, the head of the Federal Elections Commission. He was waiting to testify. When it was his turn, Bragg's people protested and the judge knocked him out. He said he cannot testify for anything having to do with the trial. You can say what federal elections is. That does not help. Essentially he was not able to testify. Other people were not able to testify.

These people were able to use people salacious. By the way, nothing ever happened. There was no anything. Nothing happened. And they know it. They were as salacious as they could be. It had nothing to do with the case, but it had to do with politics. 

You notice the timing? The timing was perfect. This case was dead. It was dropped by every agency, every governmental board. It was dropped by the highly respected Southern District. They said there is no case here. It was dropped by federal election. This is about a federal election, not a state election. You're not even allowed to look at it. They took the state in the city, and they went into a federal election. 

The people from federal election Southern District in Washington dropped the case. Everybody dropped the case. There was no case. When Bragg came in, he said: "This is the most ridiculous case i ever seen". It would have a certain person like this ever testify? He said: "This is essentially one of the worst people i have ever seen, ever, to testify". He said: "This is the craziest case I have ever seen". This is Bragg. When I announced i was running for president along time later they decided to revive the case. 

And they got a judge who was responsible for another case that was also brought in to destroy the life of a very good man, destroyed the life of a very good man, who went to prison once, and then they just put them in prison again because they said he lied. I looked at the statements he made. He did not remember something and they put him in jail. They destroyed him, with me for many years. Honest man. If you look at what he did, it never happened. There has never been anything like this, over the education of his grandchildren. Over he did not report that he had a car or two cars on his income.

I wonder how many people have cars? Iwonder how many people said: "I have a car"? I guess you do have to report it. I would say almost nobody does, nobody thinks about it. They destroyed this man. They put him in jail again because they did not want him to testify. They did not want him to testify. That is why he went to jail. They put him in jail twice. 

77 years old. Normally I would say that is an old guy, but I do not feel 77. Nobody ever says that about me. I would like to say we have to have a little sorrow for this man because—they just do not say that about me. Maybe I am better off that way. They put him in jail twice. You have to see what they put them in jail for. He was threatened by the judge. This man was told: "You will get 15 years in jail if you do not give up Trump". He was told that. you will get 15 years in jail. He made a plea deal because he did not want to spend the rest of his life. He was told that viciously. We are living in a fascist state. He was told that viciously. You can go to jail for four months or five months or you can get 15 years in jail. Do a plea. Who would not do a plea? aAlmost everyone does the pleas. It is a horrible thing. There is a whole group of lawyers that fight that. They destroyed his life. 

The Southern District did not want to bring the case. Nobody wanted to bring the case. Then you know who did not want to bring the case most of all? Bragg. Bragg did not want to bring it but then he brought it. They wanted to make it a different case. They did not say legal expense. 

If i wrote down and paid a lawyer—this was a highly qualified lawyer. I'm not allowed to use his name. He is a sleaze bag. It took me a while to find out. He was effective. He did work. He was not a fixer. He was a lawyer. At the time he was a fully accredited lawyer. He got into trouble not because of me. He got into trouble because he made outside deals, and he had something to do with taxicabs and medallions and he borrowed money, and that is why he went, and then he pled the three election violations. 

As soon as I saw that, I said: "I wonder why he did that"? He took a deal. He took the deal because he wanted to get off. In other words:"I will take the plea deal, and I want to get off, and I will make a deal with the Southern District". Rhey wrote the worst report I've ever seen on any human being, other than the report that was written on James Comey by the Inspector General, a very great Inspector General, actually. The report that was so bad. This one was possibly worse. The Southern District. The judge did not let us use it. He said it was hearsay. This is about the man. He got in trouble for a very simple reason, because he was involved with borrowing a lot of money and he did something with the banks. I don't know if he defrauded the banks. 

In addition to that, he gave up three things were he was not guilty. Election expert, number one rated in the country, would testify. He took a plea on three things. The three things he pled on having to do with the election and having to do essentially a little bit with me, they were not crimes. They were not crimes. Nor is paying money under an NDA. We have an NDA. They deal, totally accepted. Every company has a nondisclosure agreement. 

The press called it slush fund and all sorts of other things. Hush money. It is not hush money. It is called a nondisclosure agreement. Most of the people in this room have a nondisclosure agreement with their company. It is a disgrace. It is not hush money. It is a nondisclosure agreement. Totally legal, totally common. Everyone has it.

What happened is he signed a nondisclosure agreement with this person, i guess other people, but it is totally honest. You can make the payment an yway you want. It is a nondisclosure agreement. He signed that, and there was nothing wrong with signing it. This should have been a non-case. Everybody said it was a noncase, including Bragg. Until I ran for office. Then they saw the polls that I was leaving the Republicans and Democrats and everybody. And all of a sudden they brought it back. 

It is a very bad thing that is happening in our country. It is a thing—in a way—in a way i am honored. It is not that it is pleasant. It is bad for family and friends and businesses. But I am honored to be involved, because somebody has to do it, and I might as well keep going and be the one. I am honored to be involved because we are fighting for our constitution. The money that was paid was paid legally. There was nothing illegal. The lawyer, in creating the NDA, at that time he was a fully accredited lawyer. iInever thought of him as a fixer. The media called him a fixer, or the prosecutors called him a fixer. He was a lawyer. He was fairly good. Later on I did not like what he did. I did not like that when I became president he went around and made deals with companies. When I heard that he was gone, he had payments coming to him, and a lot of this involve things that are very simple. This was standard stuff. All the standard stuff. Everything involved was standard. There was no crime. 

I just watched a couple of the reports. He watched Jonathan Turley, Andy McCartney, Greg Jared, Mark Levine, all very talented people, great people. They don't know me, essentially. They are legal scholars and experts. I look at them. I watched Turley this morning saying: "There is no crime here". Everybody says there is no crime here, except for this D.A. that has the city out of control with crime. It is absolutely out of control. We have an NDA that was signed. We have legal expenses. Here's the thing on legal expenses. You have 100—falsification of business records in the first degree. It sounds so bad.

Even my own lawyers—I get very upset with them because they do not say what that is. They say falsification of legal records is only a felony. They say it is only a misdemeanor. They try to bring it up to a felony if there are two crimes. They have all of these different things. The other thing is they missed the statute of limitations by a lot. They could have brought this seven years ago, instead of bringing it in the middle of an election. They missed the statute of limitations.

The good news is last night we just got a report this morning. In the history of politics, I believe, maybe iIam wrong—somebody will find I am wrong—they raised from full-money donors a record $39 million in 10 hours. 

Think of that. I like those figures. I would rather not have it happen. I don't not want to have it backfire. I want to win this legitimately and not because they were stupid and did things they should not be doing. They should not have brought this case. They were saying this morning this was a case that should not have been brought. I watched Eddie McCarthy say this is a case that should not have been brought. That was this morning. They all say that. Every legal scholar has said it. These are great people and really understand the law.

Apoll came out a little while ago. The "Daily Mail". Does anybody read the "Daily Mail"? They have a good pull. I like it today. The "Daily Mail: just to met with a—just came out with a poll. It has Trump up six points in the last twelve hours. Six points since this happened. Who thought this could happen? The people of our country know it is a hoax. They get it. They are really smart. It is really something. 

We will be appealing this scam. We will be appealing it on many different things. He would not allow us to have witnesses. He would not allow us to talk. The judge was a tyrant You got to see that with Bob Costello, a fine man. I've never seen anything like it. Neither has anyone in the courthouse. He demanded the courthouse be cleared. The good news is most of the people in the courthouse for the media. Anyone that was in the media. Come, if you are fair, you will say that was anger. He was crazed. The reason Bob Costello acted a little bit upset, which I think he has the right to, was that every question he was being asked was being objected to by the other side and sustained by the judge. Sustained. Sustained. He did it many times. He, but I was sitting there saying—and these were basic questions. I never saw anybody treated that way by a judge. I've been treated very badly by two other judges because it is all the same thing. 

It all comes down to the White House and Crooked Joe Biden, the worst president in the history of our country. The worst president in the history of our country. The most incompetent. He is the dumbest president we've ever had. The most incompetent president. The most dishonest president we have ever. He is a Manchurian Candidate. 

Look at the way he treats China and Russia and many others. I ended the Russian pipeline. It was dead. He comes in and approves it and gets $3.5 million paid to his family from the Mayor of Moscow's wife. I said: "where did that come from?" Nobody wants to talk about it. But, he is a very big danger to our country. The only way they think they can win the election is by doing what they are doing now, when it in the courts because they cannot win it at the ballot box. 

So, we will show them that we will fight. It is actually something, I don't know, where i am wired in such a way that a lot of people would have gone away a long time ago. They would have gone away after impeachment hoax number one, a total hoax. I had great support from the Republican Party. Then you had impeachment hoax number two. Then they formed a committee of thugs, the J-6 committee of thugs. They took their records and destroyed all of the records after the committee was abandoned, because those records were great for us. Can you imagine if Republicans did that? Everybody would have been in jail by now. Think of it. I call it the un-select committee of thugs. It is 100% democrats and two Republicans that are no longer Republicans that are no longer in business anymore, thank you. 

All Democrats and two wayward Republicans. Liz Cheney and crying Adam Kinzinger. He cries every time he has on television. He is the most emotional human being I have ever seen. And these two people were our representatives. They had all of the stuff they are leaking. Then when it came time to look at the records, like, what the police said and the Capitol guard said, that I supplied, think of it, that I recommended as many soldiers or National Guard as you want, 10,000. if you have 500 you would have not had a problem. There would not be a January 6. But Nancy Pelosi and the group wanted it. 

Anyway, they had testimony that I did not attack a Secret Service agent in the front of the car. These are strong people. I supposedly went to the driver and grabbed him around the neck. and then he rebuffed me and I went to the other guy, who I think is a black belt in karate that is slightly younger than me, maybe 35 years, 40 years, 50 years, and i grabbed him around the neck.

They are a black belt in karate. They know how to get somebody from around their neck. They would go like this, and that would be the end of that. 

I had a friend that said: "You should not dispute that. That makes you look like the toughest cookie we have ever seen. You should have let that go on." But the fact is, it never happened. It was all made up. It was proven to be made up. It was proven to be a false story. They deleted and destroyed all of that information, eevery ounce of it. 

We are dealing with a corrupt government. We have a corrupt country. Our elections are corrupt. Our borders are open. Our borders will be closed very soon. November 5 will be the most important day in the history of our country. 

Now, when i say, because my people are always saying: "do this, do this!" We are fighting for America. donaldjtrump.com. It really makes a difference. They have a lot of money on the other. I don't know where they get it. Nobody knows where they get it, but for some reason they get money. But they are not on the side of our country. In many ways I think they hate our country. Who on earth can want open borders where people are allowed to pour in from countries unknown, from places unknown? From languages we don't even, that we haven't even heard of? We have people sitting in schools with languages where very few people have ever even heard of these languages. It is not like Spanish or French or Russian. Languages on—unknown. 

We have people coming from corners of the globe. Many of them are not good people. Many terrorist, record levels of terrorism. Record levels of terrorists have come into our country. They have never seen anything like it. 

There was a report that in 2019. The media gave it and it was good for me, believe it or not. They said in 2019 there were no terrorists recorded that came into our country. I believe that. I do not think it is possible. But 2019 was a trump year. I don't believe that could be possible. They said no terrorists came into our country. Let's say it was close. Now, record levels of terrorists. The highest level we have ever seen of terrorists are pouring into our country. 

You have China within the last few months. 29 thousand people came in, and i looked at them on a line, and they look like perfect soldiers. They are almost all male from 19-25. Looks like a recruiting exercise. They have beautiful tents and propane stoves. They have cell phones, the best you can buy. I said: "what is going on? It looks like they are building an army right in our country." Now, I don't think that would happen, right? 

And I really think this is an event that took place yesterday with the judge. He is a crooked judge, and you will understand that. I say that, knowing it is dangerous for me to say that, and I don't mind, because i am willing to do whatever I have to to save our country and to save our constitution. I don't mind. 

So, thank you. We will continue to fight. We will make America great again, Very simple. When people fight. Watch what they say. We will fight MAGA. That is all that is all it is. Make America great again. 

Our country is in serious trouble. We owe $36 trillion. We were energy independent for the first time ever, and now we are begging Venezuela for oil. Venezuela was crime-ridden. Caracas, the cities, crime-ridden. Two years ago, three years ago. They just reported a 72% drop in crime in the last year, because all of their criminals, most of them, and the rest are coming in now. The ones that did not come in. 

In Venezuela their prisons have been emptied into the united states. Their criminals and drug dealers have been taken out of the cities and brought into the United States. That is true with many other countries. The Congo has just released a lot of people from jail. Congo, Africa. they just released a lot of people from their prisons and jails and they brought them into the United States of America. This is what is happening to our country. It is not sustainable by anyone. 

Little things like our kids can have a Little League game anymore because you have tents and migrants living on the fields. That is the least of it. People are taking over our luxury hotels, migrants. Yet, our veterans, our great veterans, are living on the streets like dogs, they are living on the streets. But migrants are living in luxury hotels in cities all over our country run by Democrats. 

So, it is my honor to be doing this. It is a very unpleasant thing, to be honest. But it is a great, great honor. We will do what i have to do. I will do it. 

This is why I mentioned the number of $39 million. we are up six points. We went up a lot over the last month because everybody saw it was a rigged deal, a rigged trial. But we will make America great again. we will make it better than ever before. Remember, November 5 is the most important day in the history of our country.

Thank you very much, everybody.

 

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6 hours ago, C-Man said:

At the end of the day, Trump is a cheap motherfucker and doesn't want to pay anything to anybody. If he'd just written Stormy a $130K personal check and not tried to run it through the campaign, he would've been free-and-clear on this. If he'd just walked away in November 2020, none of this other shit would've ever come to light and would've simply been dismissed and he could've led the rest of his life in comfort and luxury but he's fucking demented and deranged. And cheap. Did I mention that he's cheap?

It seems likely that Donald Trump was pretty darn broke when he began his campaign. I doubt he had $130,000 of his own money to pay her. 

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5 hours ago, YGIFS said:

actually, instead of Teflon Don, I prefer Telethon Don because that's all that will come of this.  He'll send out videos asking you financially aid his appeal and offer you a tote bag that you'll never get.  

This is something else I’ve noticed - he’s not asking people to show up in July and be ready to start shit.  He’s whining on social media and sending out emails and text messages begging for money.  I’ve gotten 3 text spams and 15-20 spam emails just today from Republicans.

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How much would it cost to buy a billboard near the republican convention? 

I'm thinking a photo of Trump and s group of his high profile idiot followers. Captioned with "Play stupid games, with stupid prizes"

Not sure they would get it

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Does the court have to accquiese to that request?  

It doesn’t matter, because:

Once Dotard is sentenced, his team will immediately give notice of intent to file appeal and then they will file an appeal bond.

Just to be clear (at least how it would be in Texas), the conviction is not final as long as there is an appeal pending. It would be highly unusual to not permit him to “be free” on an appeal bond as well.
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How much would it cost to buy a billboard near the republican convention? 
I'm thinking a photo of Trump and s group of his high profile idiot followers. Captioned with "Play stupid games, with stupid prizes"
Not sure they would get it
No just a list of all his staff and associates that have gone to jail or face bankruptcy.

I beat this drum a lot, but it's insane that non-Maga conservatives have no concern about how shitty Trump is at vetting and hiring, particularly for general bureaucratic necessary roles. COS, lawyers, cabinet- really everything. And he's older, even dumber and more distracted and running out of backs to stab.

Just let Joe win and have a low key Reagan second term.
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14 minutes ago, Wally Fairway said:

How much would it cost to buy a billboard near the republican convention? 

I'm thinking a photo of Trump and s group of his high profile idiot followers. Captioned with "Play stupid games, with stupid prizes"

Not sure they would get it

Not as written, no. Probably not.  :)

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