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Imagine your basis of hating Trump is because of mean tweets, January 6 and “hush money” trial all because liberal media is crooked. Fuck right off. This is my last post in this forum  dumb fucki

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When you're a court, you just grab their asset, and they let you do it!

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Bye bitch. Enjoy living in literal hell if your man Biden is re elected

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1 hour ago, Hermanator said:

Trump should have been a precedent setter that set into action all sorts of legislation protecting against the possibility of Americans electing a criminal President, and one of those should definitely be any President standing trial either in civil or criminal court cannot be tried under a judge that President appointed. 

SHOULD have been, yes.  An entire political party has made sure that will not be the case and they are hellbent on riding his coattails to absolute power.  Good things ahead for this country.

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24 minutes ago, tchookem said:
33 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:
So, by not getting a local attorney, the delay tactics begin.  This motherfucker is gonna have to die for us to be rid of him.

Does one get appointed to him?

I'm not a lawyer, but I think public defenders are for people who can't afford representation, which would rule it out as an option for him.

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35 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

any President standing trial either in civil or criminal court cannot be tried under a judge that President appointed. 

This is what gets me. As a former law dog, I understand that its normally a high bar to meet the standard for a forced judicial recusal. But what about when the DEFENDANT in the damn case PERSONALLY APPOINTED the judge??? That should be an automatic recusal -- but the precedent is not there yet I guess. Still, that should be the argument.

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48 minutes ago, Hookah Horns said:

Well that's just like your opinion man.

She's already stuck her neck out for him, and clearly feels beholden to him, but I'm sure she'd really be worried about it because it's prohibited by professional responsibility rules 🙄. There aren't any recent examples of right wing judges running roughshod over those.

I didn't say anything about her staff being involved and it wouldn't be necessary, so I'm not sure why you made that particular point. I'm talking about Trump calling her on a burner and your reasoning has failed to convince me  it hasn't already happened. 

When the man carrying two McDonalds bags stops outside her courtroom….and then leaves a minute later….her security camera picks it up.  

That means burner phone call from rightful POTUS at 2:00 pm.   

I bet her chambers bathroom is filled with boxes in solidarity 

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7 minutes ago, austingirl said:

I'm not a lawyer, but I think public defenders are for people who can't afford representation, which would rule it out as an option for him.

Girl, we know he’s broke

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I'm not a lawyer, but I think public defenders are for people who can't afford representation, which would rule it out as an option for him.
Well, he can't afford the retainer that most lawyers are going to require him to pay.
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48 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

I was thinking about this and I believe the simple answer comes down to the system was set up to favor the wealthy and influential, as well as under the assumption that the President who appoints federal judges won't be one of the biggest criminals in the country. To this point that has mostly been true with only Nixon and maybe Andrew Jackson really testing that, but nothing like we've seen with Trump. This is a whole new possibility that just wasn't accounted for because it wasn't deemed all that necessary. 

Trump should have been a precedent setter that set into action all sorts of legislation protecting against the possibility of Americans electing a criminal President, and one of those should definitely be any President standing trial either in civil or criminal court cannot be tried under a judge that President appointed. 

Well one reality of this is that US Presidents aren't often parties to litigation in their own capacity, either civil or criminal, especially not criminal. As in, like, never.

So, it's all kinds of unusual that a President is in court before a judge that he appointed.

But, gatorubet raises a valid point.  Although POTUS nominates judges, especially with district judges, that doesn't mean there's any kind of relationship between them.  District judges generally have to have "paid some party dues" and brought themselves to the attention somehow of their party establishment, especially the Senator(s) of that party in the state for the initial recommendation.  Lately, apparently, some kind of FedSoc credentials will do.

This explains why numerous Trump appointees have done the man no favors.

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35 minutes ago, TexEx15 said:

 

From the article:

But what if Judge Cannon does not recuse herself? One possibility that should be explored is for the chief judge of the district court, Chief Judge Cecilia Altonaga, to reassign the case pursuant to the court’s power under federal law to “assign [ ] cases so far as [local] rules and orders do not otherwise prescribe.” Nothing in the Southern District of Florida’s local rules or Internal Operating Procedures is to the contrary. Those local procedures provide for Judge Cannon and her colleagues to agree to transfer the case to another judge. The chief judge should have a vigorous discussion with her under that provision. If Judge Cannon demurs, though, the rules are silent about what happens next and so the federal statute comes into play for the chief judge to reassign the case. She too can point to logistical concerns, including the security ones, in reassigning it to a judge in Miami— saving face for Judge Cannon.

I think this is the most likely way we get Cannon off the case.  If it is going to be tried in Miami, which is unfortunate all by itself, I think the Chief Judge can go all John Roberts and strongly suggest that Cannon request/agree that it be transferred to another judge.

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Well one reality of this is that US Presidents aren't often parties to litigation in their own capacity, either civil or criminal, especially not criminal. As in, like, never.
So, it's all kinds of unusual that a President is in court before a judge that he appointed.
But, gatorubet raises a valid point.  Although POTUS nominates judges, especially with district judges, that doesn't mean there's any kind of relationship between them.  District judges generally have to have "paid some party dues" and brought themselves to the attention somehow of their party establishment, especially the Senator(s) of that party in the state for the initial recommendation.  Lately, apparently, some kind of FedSoc credentials will do.
This explains why numerous Trump appointees have done the man no favors.
Sounds like a real easy opportunity for some bipartisan legislation... judges cannot sit on criminal cases involving a defendant that appointed them.

Sounds like a very reasonable check to me. Who wouldn't support that?

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4 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

What are the requirements for an attorney to practice law in Florida?  Are there any states with reciprocal agreements, or does the attorney have to be a member of the FL bar?

Not to total thread shit but the state licensing system is dumb. 

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3 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

What are the requirements for an attorney to practice law in Florida?  Are there any states with reciprocal agreements, or does the attorney have to be a member of the FL bar?

The Southern District pro hoc motion rules require an out of district lawyer to have local counsel admitted to the Southern District as co-counsel. Local counsel must file and serve the pro hoc motion to get outside the district counsel admitted for the case (no more than 3 cases per calendar year)

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1 hour ago, austingirl said:

I'm not a lawyer, but I think public defenders are for people who can't afford representation, which would rule it out as an option for him.

pffft like he was gonna pay ANY lawyer, assigned or otherwise.

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20 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

The Southern District pro hoc motion rules require an out of district lawyer to have local counsel admitted to the Southern District as co-counsel. Local counsel must file and serve the pro hoc motion to get outside the district counsel admitted for the case (no more than 3 cases per calendar year)

Given all the shady shit that goes down in southern FL, it seems a very mediocre attorney could set up a pretty lucrative practice just acting as "co-counsel" to allow out of state attorneys wanting to represent rich sleezy clients like Trump

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16 minutes ago, Horn Dog said:

Given all the shady shit that goes down in southern FL, it seems a very mediocre attorney could set up a pretty lucrative practice just acting as "co-counsel" to allow out of state attorneys wanting to represent rich sleezy clients like Trump

My brother from another mother. 

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53 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

What are the requirements for an attorney to practice law in Florida?  Are there any states with reciprocal agreements, or does the attorney have to be a member of the FL bar?

The issue with local counsel is usually maintaining an office in the district, not just being admitted to practice in the state.

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3 hours ago, Hookah Horns said:

Is there any doubt that Trump and Cannon haven't talked since his indictment? I'd bet they will be in touch through the entire case. 

She probably hasn't talked to Trump.  But she has Harlan Crow on speed dial. 

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I just saw his face/ad on the side of a bus earlier and thought, "Yeah this guy would totally get Trump off...because they never see him coming."  He could at least get Don, Jr. off some possession charges.  Too funny, have some rep

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57 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Not to total thread shit but the state licensing system is dumb. 

No, it's really not dumb.

State laws vary widely.  I wouldn't dare practice in California with all their fucked up laws and byzantine codification, except for patent law before the USPTO, which I am entitled to practice nationwide.  Same with NY.  Same with Louisiana.

Although a lot of federal legislation is necessary, there is value to federalism and letting a state fuck itself up all it wants to.

Again, the point of local counsel is not to have someone that is admitted to the Florida bar, it's having someone with an office in the district, so that the judge can get someone to court on short notice (often in order to barbecue their ass).  

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12 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

The issue with local counsel is usually maintaining an office in the district, not just being admitted to practice in the state.

Could the law office be attached to a florist shop or tire repair shop or whatever the co-council does between law gigs?

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"If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed to you at no cost as you are a taxpayer." 

-I don't pay my attorneys, and I've only paid $750 in taxes in the last several years.  But I was once President of the United States despite losing the popular vote and bankrupting the same casino twice.

"Well, shit.  This is something of a pickle."  

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17 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

there has to be some desperate clout chasing MAGA lawyer who would rep him for free.

you'd think so but I think he's already burned through all of those guys. 

nobody wants to go to jail for him anymore. 

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17 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

Could the law office be attached to a florist shop or tire repair shop or whatever the co-council does between law gigs?

they were trying but negotiations broke down over cucumber water access privileges.

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1 hour ago, The Dog said:

 

snl writers walking the picket lines are definitely workshopping a sketch where trump is on a tinder-style platform swiping left and right on a bunch of local miami attorneys.

"hey, looks like we matched.  what are you doing tomorrow around noon?"

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1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

The issue with local counsel is usually maintaining an office in the district, not just being admitted to practice in the state.

https://envoy.com/blog/office-hoteling/#:~:text=Office hoteling%2C otherwise known as,stay%2C you check-out.

 

Alright, which one of you burnt-out attorneys wants to move to Florida and become MAGA defense specialists?  I will bankroll your first week of hotel office space if you agree to chronicle your adventures on this site. 

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25 minutes ago, Horn Dog said:

https://envoy.com/blog/office-hoteling/#:~:text=Office hoteling%2C otherwise known as,stay%2C you check-out.

 

Alright, which one of you burnt-out attorneys wants to move to Florida and become MAGA defense specialists?  I will bankroll your first week of hotel office space if you agree to chronicle your adventures on this site. 

I would pay well in excess of 9.95 if @Brisketexan does it.

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25 minutes ago, Horn Dog said:

https://envoy.com/blog/office-hoteling/#:~:text=Office hoteling%2C otherwise known as,stay%2C you check-out.

 

Alright, which one of you burnt-out attorneys wants to move to Florida and become MAGA defense specialists?  I will bankroll your first week of hotel office space if you agree to chronicle your adventures on this site. 

You’ll have better luck in the Daily Texan finding someone to take you up on your offer. 

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