Caitlin Clark …. Seriously

[ChickenSandwich 9824]

Not since the Comets

[tx 3 putt 76859]

1 hour ago, DixonHur said:

This.  I used to play pick-up at the Rec Center when I was an undergrad and every once in a while, a few of the stars from Jody's Elite 8 teams would come in to play...mind you I'm 5'9" and probably weighed a Buck-Fifty back then, so naturally I would be asked to guard the women....I had zero problems scoring on or defending against them.  And that's definitely not a brag.... I was a mid-tier player at best.

 

[ChickenSandwich 9824]

2 hours ago, immamac said:

Spoken by someone that has never watched the wnba. 

Curious. Which highlight reel can you point to that is more impressive/entertaining skill wise than CC’s college film?

Scoop layups and corner threes aren't the same as shots from the logo to go with the ball handling and passing (of which i’m sure she has peers and superiors). 
 

She’s the most coordinated and skilled female basketball player i’ve seen, doesn’t mean she is the “best”. Just fun to watch

Love  Swoopes. Comparing the two on film looks like two different sports.  
 

Final 4 was the same. She was in another class than anyone else on the floor. 

Edited May 5 by ChickenSandwich

[Vic Mackey 47006]

Caitlin Clark in the NBA? Lmao. That is more ridiculous than if Bama/Georgia/Clemson could beat an NFL team or if UConn could beat an NBA team. At leat that is men vs men.

A random DFW high school boys soccer team embarrassed the US Women's national team some years back.

Caitlin Clark wouldn't even last in the lowest men's college division. In fact, I'm not sure how well she would fare at the high school boys level, especially AAU level. They would run her off the court. Go throw her on a random playground basketball court of men and I;m sure she would fare awful.

[Sgt Hulk 13712]

You guys are right.  She sucks and would def get her face fucked in a boys highschool game.  My bad all. 

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13087]

2 hours ago, Sgt Hulk said:

She sucks and would def get her face fucked in a boys highschool game.

What does this have to do with basketball?

[immamac 42832]

8 hours ago, ChickenSandwich said:

Curious. Which highlight reel can you point to that is more impressive/entertaining skill wise than CC’s college film?

Scoop layups and corner threes aren't the same as shots from the logo to go with the ball handling and passing (of which i’m sure she has peers and superiors). 
 

She’s the most coordinated and skilled female basketball player i’ve seen, doesn’t mean she is the “best”. Just fun to watch

Love  Swoopes. Comparing the two on film looks like two different sports.  
 

Final 4 was the same. She was in another class than anyone else on the floor. 

this is legitimately stupid. She's good at basketball and I'm not taking anything away from her. She just isn't "gonna change the WNBA" cuz she's so good. 

The eyeballs she's bringing to the sport are really great, but it's comments like yours that make me sit back and double down on my previous comment about her personal brand being more valuable than the entire league before she joined it. Maybe WNBA gets good ratings finally? Who knows, but it's definitely not hurting the sport having all this attention

[Blotto 23485]

8 hours ago, Sgt Hulk said:

You guys are right.  She sucks and would def get her face fucked in a boys highschool game.  My bad all. 

That's more likely than her "contributing" to an NBA roster.

[ChickenSandwich 9824]

5 hours ago, immamac said:

this is legitimately stupid. She's good at basketball and I'm not taking anything away from her. She just isn't "gonna change the WNBA" cuz she's so good. 

The eyeballs she's bringing to the sport are really great, but it's comments like yours that make me sit back and double down on my previous comment about her personal brand being more valuable than the entire league before she joined it. Maybe WNBA gets good ratings finally? Who knows, but it's definitely not hurting the sport having all this attention

WNBA revenue was $60 million last year. She absolutely is worth $30 million or half the league value. 

[Underdog 28544]

16 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

Liam Neeson? 

[ztejas 43411]

10 hours ago, Sgt Hulk said:

You guys are right.  She sucks and would def get her face fucked in a boys highschool game.  My bad all. 

Lol now you've gone too far in the other direction. She'd be very good at the HS boys level. 

[DixonHur 11292]

35 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

WNBA revenue was $60 million last year. She absolutely is worth $30 million or half the league value. 

Tell me you don't work in finance without telling me you're not in finance...

The WNBA loses about $10m a year after expenses.

My favorite part of all this is the people who were "outraged" by her salary, yet probably have never paid money to go to a WNBA game.  

She's getting what she deserves in terms of salary, but she'll make tons of money from endorsements.

If the league proves it can attract viewers and turn a profit, player salaries will increase.  Until then why should they make more?

Edited May 5 by DixonHur
Phone typos

[ztejas 43411]

12 hours ago, Vic Mackey said:

Go throw her on a random playground basketball court of men and I;m sure she would fare awful.

This is also silly. She's a better shooter and passer than 99.99% of men. Yeah she'd struggle with the physicality and athleticism but that bitch would carve up most of the joe-shmoes at LA fitness. 

Anyone that you literally can't leave open in a pick up game instantly makes their team like 25% better. Add to that she's a wicked passer - she'd ball out just fine.

But we're talking about the best female 22 year old in the world. 

Edited May 5 by ztejas

[ChickenSandwich 9824]

13 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Tell me you don't work in finance without telling me you're not in finance...

The WNBA loses about $10m a year after expenses.

My favorite part of all this is the people who were "outraged" by her salary, yet probably have never paid money to go to a WNBA game.  

She's getting what she deserves in terms of salary, but she'll make tons of money from endorsements.

If the league proves it can attract viewers and turn a profit, player salaries will increase.  Until then why should they make more?

100% agree. She is not underpaid, nor are any WNBA players. Maybe she brings some viewers and they can start breaking even. 

[DixonHur 11292]

5 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

100% agree. She is not underpaid, nor are any WNBA players. Maybe she brings some viewers and they can start breaking even. 

Sorry, didn't know you were joking with the $30m comment.

It's getting hard to tell on this thread.

[ChickenSandwich 9824]

3 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Sorry, didn't know you were joking with the $30m comment.

It's getting hard to tell on this thread.

https://www.inc.com/associated-press/caitlin-clark-to-sign-nike-deal-worth-28-million.html#:~:text=Caitlin Clark appears to be,and includes a signature shoe.
 

Caitlin Clark appears to be on the cusp of setting another record. The most prolific scorer in NCAA Division I history and the No. 1 overall pick in the WNBA draft will continue her association with Nike by signing a $28 million contract that spans eight years and includes a signature shoe.

[Dennis Taylor 18807]

I watched some of an Iowa tournament game to see what the fuss was about. CC was a good shooter but what was really impressive was her ball handling, court vision and passing. Going into  I expected her to take every shot but she made some great passes. Easily the best female college player I've seen , which is next to none...but sorry- no way even she could be remotely competitive against the guys. It's really two different sports- the women's game is played so close the floor. I saw rebounds routinely not get touched until the ball was out by the 3 point line- how often do you see that in a men's game? And the physicality and speed of the game would be overwhelming for her- she'd struggle to get open and even more so to get shots or passes off. 

[Js1 85258]

Everyone loves her pull logo 3s but her passing and court vision is insane. 

[Pato del Muerto 52484]

23 hours ago, ChickenSandwich said:

https://www.inc.com/associated-press/caitlin-clark-to-sign-nike-deal-worth-28-million.html#:~:text=Caitlin Clark appears to be,and includes a signature shoe.
 

Caitlin Clark appears to be on the cusp of setting another record. The most prolific scorer in NCAA Division I history and the No. 1 overall pick in the WNBA draft will continue her association with Nike by signing a $28 million contract that spans eight years and includes a signature shoe.

So 3.5 million per year?

[Js1 85258]

Under Armour and Adidas also participated in contract discussions with Clark's team in February, according to the WSJ and Athletic. Puma also showed some interest but walked away when told the bidding would start at $3 million per year, according to the WSJ.

 

 

[Funk Doctor Spock 12175]

On 5/5/2024 at 12:24 AM, Vic Mackey said:

Caitlin Clark in the NBA? Lmao. That is more ridiculous than if Bama/Georgia/Clemson could beat an NFL team or if UConn could beat an NBA team. At leat that is men vs men.

A random DFW high school boys soccer team embarrassed the US Women's national team some years back.

Caitlin Clark wouldn't even last in the lowest men's college division. In fact, I'm not sure how well she would fare at the high school boys level, especially AAU level. They would run her off the court. Go throw her on a random playground basketball court of men and I;m sure she would fare awful.

It was the U15 national team, and it happened twice. 

[Funk Doctor Spock 12175]

Caitlin Clark is fucking awesome to watch. I've never watched a WNBA team in my life, but I watched the scrimmage with her in it and it was pretty, pretty good. 

She's gonna be a star and has elevated the league that can't even make a profit. She may single-handedly make the league a profit with her presence and game. She's unreal, men or women. 

[Blotto 23485]

On 5/10/2024 at 8:54 PM, Spider2YBanana said:

Caitlin Clark is fucking awesome to watch. I've never watched a WNBA team in my life, but I watched the scrimmage with her in it and it was pretty, pretty good. 

She's gonna be a star and has elevated the league that can't even make a profit. She may single-handedly make the league a profit with her presence and game. She's unreal, men or women. 

https://www.espn.com/wnba/story/_/id/40139021/sun-sell-first-opener-decades-caitlin-clark-debuts

Its crazy to think about how much league revenue will be dependent on whether or not she  can stay healthy the full year. It will also be interesting how the rest of the league accommodates the spotlight she is going to bring. Will they be catty bitches like Swoopes, or will they realize that she is single handedly going to get them a bigger raise than their collective efforts since the league was founded. 

[ChickenSandwich 9824]

The jealousy and hate will be off the charts.  

 

[YGIFS 19449]

On 5/5/2024 at 12:19 PM, Underdog said:

Liam Neeson? 

Well, looks aside........to be fair, she does have a specific of set of (game) skills.  

On 5/5/2024 at 12:27 PM, DixonHur said:

My favorite part of all this is the people who were "outraged" by her salary, yet probably have never paid money to go to a WNBA game.  

She's getting what she deserves in terms of salary, but she'll make tons of money from endorsements.

If the league proves it can attract viewers and turn a profit, player salaries will increase.  Until then why should they make more?

Yep.  It's all noise.  Her endorsement deals will work wonders for her.  She'll be just fine.  I will never pay money to go to an WNBA game or even stream it.  But my just-getting-into-hoops daughter asks for a Caitlin Clark jersey or pair of high-tops.  Hell yeah, all for it.  

25 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

The jealousy and hate will be off the charts.  

 

If there's anything the last 9 years in America have taught me.  Men are still the worst thing to happen to women ever.  But a close second, is how women can visit cruelty and shame upon one another almost as bad as we do.  

[immamac 42832]

30 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

The jealousy and hate will be off the charts.  

 

They aren’t stupid. They want her to do well because it’s good for all of them. Plus she’s not a shithead. 

[ChickenSandwich 9824]

4 minutes ago, immamac said:

They aren’t stupid. They want her to do well because it’s good for all of them. Plus she’s not a shithead. 

Counter point: they are women 

[Catdaddyhorn 3444]

Looks like the WNBA is turning a different direction in marketing their talent.  

 

 

 

 

 

[Blotto 23485]

30 minutes ago, immamac said:

They aren’t stupid. They want her to do well because it’s good for all of them. Plus she’s not a shithead. 

We'll see. Here's the league's two time defending MVP dropping the race card before the season even tips. Its not really a direct attack on Clark and there's some truth in what she says, but its not the type of kumbaya moment I would be hoping for if I was running league marketing. I'm not sure what will cause more panties to get twisted: Clark leading the league in scoring, or finishing middle of the pack.

https://apnews.com/article/caitlin-clark-race-women-college-basketball-b277e81e47c8d9ecc6554720b1a35065

[markstanco 12570]

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My favorite part of all this is the people who were "outraged" by her salary, yet probably have never paid money to go to a WNBA game.  

Or watched on TV. The SJWs are hilarious and not worth yapping back at. I did have a brief convo with a non sports lady I work with at work complaining about it after it came out and FB and twitter lost their collective minds, and she saw it. I asked her to name one team not named the Indiana fever and got deer in headlights.

[immamac 42832]

1 hour ago, Blotto said:

We'll see. Here's the league's two time defending MVP dropping the race card before the season even tips. Its not really a direct attack on Clark and there's some truth in what she says, but its not the type of kumbaya moment I would be hoping for if I was running league marketing. I'm not sure what will cause more panties to get twisted: Clark leading the league in scoring, or finishing middle of the pack.

https://apnews.com/article/caitlin-clark-race-women-college-basketball-b277e81e47c8d9ecc6554720b1a35065

There’s an absolute level of truth in what she says. I stated the same thing in this very thread. 

That doesn’t mean she is a moron and isn’t gonna ride the gravy train whether it was her or not that got the train going. The fact is if the wnba numbers this year pop they are all going to make more in endorsements. 

[ChickenSandwich 9824]

1 hour ago, immamac said:

There’s an absolute level of truth in what she says. I stated the same thing in this very thread. 

That doesn’t mean she is a moron and isn’t gonna ride the gravy train whether it was her or not that got the train going. The fact is if the wnba numbers this year pop they are all going to make more in endorsements. 

All time scoring leader and looks like Pistol Pete/S Curry playing out there.  Always the most talented player on the floor and makes all of her teammates better. 
 

Your point has merit but she is a poor example. 

Edited May 14 by ChickenSandwich

[YGIFS 19449]

Um, #2 on Chicago.  I have no idea how to pronounce your name.  This is a thread about female athlete empowerment.  

But I'm just gonna fade-away shoot this out there.  If you like it, dunk it.  If you don't, just toss it back.  But I want to be on you.  

[Funk Doctor Spock 12175]

5 hours ago, Blotto said:

https://www.espn.com/wnba/story/_/id/40139021/sun-sell-first-opener-decades-caitlin-clark-debuts

Its crazy to think about how much league revenue will be dependent on whether or not she  can stay healthy the full year. It will also be interesting how the rest of the league accommodates the spotlight she is going to bring. Will they be catty bitches like Swoopes, or will they realize that she is single handedly going to get them a bigger raise than their collective efforts since the league was founded. 

A little hyperbole, but I'm hoping that it kinda brings a Jordan vibe to it. Her being the start for change. She's just so good, and like I said, I've never watched a WNBA game in my life and I tuned into watch her. 

[Catdaddyhorn 3444]

I forgot who made the point but I thought it was a great one (I believe it was Wosney Lambrey of the Ringer basketball podcast). But to paraphrase part of the reason women's basketball couldn't draw fans in the past is because they couldn't match what was popular in the men's game, which of course was ridiculous feats of athleticism. However things have changed in the men's game and while athleticism is still a feature one could argue Step's half court bombs and deep shooting in general is just as much of an attraction, if not moreso than high flying dunks. And low and behold we have a women's star who can match that sort of excitement shot for shot with her male counterparts hence the women's game followed suit and increased in popularity. 

Edited May 14 by Catdaddyhorn

[Js1 85258]

55 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

Um, #2 on Chicago.  I have no idea how to pronounce your name.  This is a thread about female athlete empowerment.  

But I'm just gonna fade-away shoot this out there.  If you like it, dunk it.  If you don't, just toss it back.  But I want to be on you.  

It’s pronounced Kaiser 

[immamac 42832]

[Pato del Muerto 52484]

NBA guards never shoot 33% from the floor!

[ztejas 43411]

5/15 shooting and 10 turns.

Told y'all the WNBA is a different animal.

I don't think she's going to be a bust, though. I think she'll wind up being very good.

[Ignatius 4017]

On 5/5/2024 at 1:27 PM, DixonHur said:

Tell me you don't work in finance without telling me you're not in finance...

The WNBA loses about $10m a year after expenses.

Tell me you work in finance but don’t know shit about accounting without telling me you work in finance but don’t know shit about accounting….

['stache 21789]

JFC, she's a rookie drafted to one of the worst team in the league. It's been like a month and a half since she took her last shot in college. I swear, these haters just love to hate. She'll be great, but give it, I don't know, maybe more than her first few games?

[Derka 6135]

caitlyn clark’s first two wnba games are the latest examples of the fact that nobody hates women more than other women, lol. she’s getting all of the attention (as she brings more eyeballs, money, and charter flights to the wnba than ever before) so they’ve all decided to go bad boy pistons on her for daring to be good at basketball and well liked, all while drumming excitement for their shitty sport that nobody watches or cares about.

[Al_4_ISU 12447]

18 hours ago, 'stache said:

JFC, she's a rookie drafted to one of the worst team in the league. It's been like a month and a half since she took her last shot in college. I swear, these haters just love to hate. She'll be great, but give it, I don't know, maybe more than her first few games?

The flip side of this, being surrounded by her legion of sycophants, is how every media member in the state of Iowa is calling for the Fever to fire their coach because she clearly doesn't know how to properly employ God in the service of winning games.  Or how her teammates just aren't good enough to handle playing with Caitlin.  Everyone needs to get out of God's way and let her huck junk all night and all will be right.

Both sides of the Clark argument need to realize that the WNBA, like any other pro sports league at the highest level of said sport, is full of the absolute best players in that sport.  Maybe more so because there are so few teams.  She's going to be fine, but there's going to be an adjustment period.  She was never gonna run through the pros like she did college, but that doesn't mean she's anywhere close to being a bust.

[Pam Cummings 9639]

59 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

The flip side of this, being surrounded by her legion of sycophants, is how every media member in the state of Iowa is calling for the Fever to fire their coach because she clearly doesn't know how to properly employ God in the service of winning games.  Or how her teammates just aren't good enough to handle playing with Caitlin.  Everyone needs to get out of God's way and let her huck junk all night and all will be right.

Both sides of the Clark argument need to realize that the WNBA, like any other pro sports league at the highest level of said sport, is full of the absolute best players in that sport.  Maybe more so because there are so few teams.  She's going to be fine, but there's going to be an adjustment period.  She was never gonna run through the pros like she did college, but that doesn't mean she's anywhere close to being a bust.

I think she will be way better in her second year. She's been playing a lot of high level basketball with not really any breaks since the start of her college season. Wouldn't be surprised at all at some burn out.

[Al_4_ISU 12447]

Just now, Pam Cummings said:

I think she will be way better in her second year. She's been playing a lot of high level basketball with not really any breaks since the start of her college season. Wouldn't be surprised at all at some burn out.

I agree.  This is the biggest increase in competition she's ever seen.  She'll adjust in time, and be fine.  But people were expecting her to be as unstoppable as she was in college and that wasn't realistic.

By the same token, her haters are clearly jumping the gun.

[Pam Cummings 9639]

Just now, Al_4_ISU said:

I agree.  This is the biggest increase in competition she's ever seen.  She'll adjust in time, and be fine.  But people were expecting her to be as unstoppable as she was in college and that wasn't realistic.

By the same token, her haters are clearly jumping the gun.

For sure. Watched a little bit yesterday and she played really well despite the loss. Her passing is just so good, she and Boston will work well together.

[Pato del Muerto 52484]

She’s obviously a very good player. It’s the hype that I don’t understand. How is she better than when Parker, bird, or ionescu came into the league.  Is it a Midwest thing?  Didn’t some similar hype happen for Jackie stiles at Missouri whatever university?

[Derka 6135]

39 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

She’s obviously a very good player. It’s the hype that I don’t understand. How is she better than when Parker, bird, or ionescu came into the league.  Is it a Midwest thing?  Didn’t some similar hype happen for Jackie stiles at Missouri whatever university?

it’s just timing. it’s 2024 and espn has been aggressively marketing and pushing the wnba into the national spotlight for years now, whether anyone has been asking for it or not. she’s a product of the espn hype machine that didn’t exist for previous, better female players. i mean what does everyone think of when they think of caitlyn clark? they think of the steph curry style threes that lead off every episode of sportscenter whenever she plays. never mind that her vision and passing are actually her best qualities. she’s simply the right person at the right time for espn.

again, very very very very few sports fans actually keep up with this sport or this league. everything they know about it they know because espn has been jamming it down their throats for years now. she’s espn’s chosen one, and as such she’s been given more exposure than any other female player in history. 

Edited May 21 by definitely not derka

[Al_4_ISU 12447]

41 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

She’s obviously a very good player. It’s the hype that I don’t understand. How is she better than when Parker, bird, or ionescu came into the league.  Is it a Midwest thing?  Didn’t some similar hype happen for Jackie stiles at Missouri whatever university?

It was all the circus 3s she hit in college.  Topped with crazy passes.  She's not any better or more dominant than the players you named, but she was constantly making these highlight reel plays on a nightly basis.

Combine that with how 1 and dones and the transfer portal destroyed star power in the men's game, and you had this whole rise of increased popularity in women's basketball because these players would face off against each other over multiple seasons, and the whole thing just kinda went wild.

[VinyVango 684]

She kind of reminds me of a female Trae Young (albeit with a better long-range shooting percentage).  I like her motor, passing and aggressiveness.  I am not a fan of her soft defense and tendency to complain so much to refs.  She's going to get her shots up and her team will live and die by that.  Right now, she's in deep water acclimating to the athleticism and physicality of defenders.  Perhaps once she gets more comfortable with teammates, her turnovers will drop and she can take advantage of overly aggressive defenders.  Right now, she is forcing things that worked in high school and college with forgettable performances.  She's definitely WNBA material (based on my very limited firsthand observations of WNBA games), but the press needs to take its foot off the praise gas a bit as that's doing her no favors with her peers.