Caitlin Clark …. Seriously

[Deej 76374]

[Derka 5839]

 

[Derka 5839]

 

[Deej 76374]

She can't stand that a white girl put those numbers up. That's really all there is to it. 

[Longhorn94 2425]

What's weird is that there are and have been lots of great white women players in the league. They might even make a majority of the all time top 10. I don't think it's race with Caitlin. I think they are just jealous that she is generating interest on a MJ level and they can't deal with it for whatever reason. 

[Pam Cummings 9527]

53 minutes ago, Longhorn94 said:

What's weird is that there are and have been lots of great white women players in the league. They might even make a majority of the all time top 10. I don't think it's race with Caitlin. I think they are just jealous that she is generating interest on a MJ level and they can't deal with it for whatever reason. 

No no no women are just bitches to each other. There's definitely no examples of petty decades-long grievances that you could easily point out among men's sports.

[Deej 76374]

1 hour ago, Longhorn94 said:

What's weird is that there are and have been lots of great white women players in the league. They might even make a majority of the all time top 10. I don't think it's race with Caitlin. I think they are just jealous that she is generating interest on a MJ level and they can't deal with it for whatever reason. 

If she wasn't white and generating the same amount of interest, would they still be this upset? I have my doubts. 

25 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

No no no women are just bitches to each other. There's definitely no examples of petty decades-long grievances that you could easily point out among men's sports.

I think everyone has hated Bill Laimbeer for the past 40 years. 

[d2o 1602]

35 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

No no no women are just bitches to each other. There's definitely no examples of petty decades-long grievances that you could easily point out among men's sports.

Shaq hated on Dwight Howard for yrs among the many players he's hated on over the yrs.   There are plenty of examples of old heads hating new school players.   Its not just a woman thing.   Its a bitch thing.  I can't even dismiss Swoopes' shit as anything else but hating now just like I don't dismiss Shaq's bitchassness as anything but hating.

And yes the MJ/Isiah thing is a prime example of a decades long beef.  

[aggie08 21287]

Shit, you don't even have to go that far back to find a comparable example in the NBA. Some of the best players in the league and the old guard were some bitch asses when Steph became the talk of league around 2014. Basically boiling down to getting too much attention without having any real skins on the wall, and a general scoffing at the idea that they were about to change the game. It took until 2022 for him to fully shake the overrated/over-hyped sentiment. While race/class did play some factor (light-skinned rich kid), it was more just pettiness from players--current and retired--about the media and fans giving the new kid, the new generation too much shine.

It's probably more pronounced with Caitlin because she's the middle-America, religious white girl--and brings in some of those fans who wouldn't give the slightest of shits about the WNBA otherwise--but the resentment would still be there if she was a black media darling being hyped up to dominate the league straight out of college.

Edited September 18 by aggie08

[Derka 5839]

30 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

but the resentment would still be there if she was a black media darling being hyped up to dominate the league straight out of college.

i don’t think the resentment would be even 5% of what it currently is if cc was the same player but she looked like seimone augustus. there’s been a whole lot of evidence posted in this thread and online that cc being straight, white, and apolitical (up until recently) drew the ire of the rest of the league because she’s not “one of them”.

i think that the most similar nba comp is jokic and how his peers have downplayed his greatness his entire career. aloof foreigner with a unique skill set that nobody else in the league possesses; he’s not “one of them”, and that’s why a largely black, american league has rated guys like tatum, dame, booker, and other absolute jokers ahead of jokic for so long. the difference is, and people don’t want to hear this, the women seriously are 1,000x more petty, catty, and jealous than the men. that’s why jokic shows up 5th on “best player in the nba” lists and gets picked last for the all star team (clear, indefensible hate, but not cases of players going out of their way to hate on him constantly), while the wnba as a collective was like, “fuck this bitch she sucks and she’s taking all our shine.” nobody hates like women do, and women don’t hate anybody like they hate other women.

Edited September 18 by Derka

[aggie08 21287]

1 hour ago, Derka said:

i don’t think the resentment would be even 5% of what it currently is if cc was the same player but she looked like seimone augustus. there’s been a whole lot of evidence posted in this thread and online that cc being straight, white, and apolitical (up until recently) drew the ire of the rest of the league because she’s not “one of them”.

I'd argue that it's a chicken or the egg thing. CC didn't draw the resentment and ire of the league because she's white, straight, apolitical, and really good at basketball (the WNBA has had plenty of players that mostly fit those descriptors). She drew their resentment because of the media attention and hype that surrounds her...which was amplified, in no small part, because she's the white, religious girl from middle-America.

Let's be real (and you know this), a player who looks like Simone Augustus would have to average 50 points a game to get the same media coverage, transcend sports, and attract the attention of non-sports fans the way Caitlin has, especially in the WNBA. Players understand that and resent her (unfairly) for it. Much like Steph who, as good as he was and is, gets more love because he's the baby-faced guy who mentions God every 5 seconds that he wouldn't get if he looked like Allen Iverson.

Edited September 18 by aggie08

[ChickenSandwich 9791]

How do you make that claim when there has never been a player as skilled in the history of the WNBA?  Would Clark need to average 50 points a game for the hype to be warranted not because she's white, straight and apolitical?

Edited September 18 by ChickenSandwich

[UpperWestside 6080]

Dear Sheryl,

SHUT UP. No one cares what you think. You are a petty old has been that is no longer relevant.
 

Signed,

Everyone not in your petty friend group.

[Patrick Bateman 3874]

17 hours ago, Longhorn94 said:

What's weird is that there are and have been lots of great white women players in the league. They might even make a majority of the all time top 10. I don't think it's race with Caitlin. I think they are just jealous that she is generating interest on a MJ level and they can't deal with it for whatever reason. 

It's combination of a number of things.  It's not just that she's caucasian.  It's she's somewhat pretty (for some folks), girls like Taurisi look like they got run over by the ugly truck.  It's not that she's pretty and white, it's she's straight too.  Oh yea, there's an undercurrent there to a league who is probably much more gay than you think.  Sue Bird was pretty and white but didn't catch heat like this.  But it's not that she's white, pretty, and straight, it's also that she hasn't won anything.  This is the biggest point against her, I think.  She hasn't won anything.  If Jordan hadn't won that NC at UNC as a freshmen, when he was the 4th best player on the team (although had the highest ceiling and most likely just needed experience), can you imagine the backlash he would have gotten when he started to blow up Nike?  Although most likely he doesn't get the Nike contract, still..... no skins on the wall and folks don't care that women's basketball is very vertical and top heavy.  And lastly, she's white, pretty, straight, but no titles.... and she's got a nasty streak when she plays.  She's animated when she plays?  She stares, she talks shit, she whines to the officials, she gestiulates, she rolls her eyes, she's overly dramatic if things aren't going her way.  So, it's she's young, white, pretty, straight, who acts entitled and whines to officlals on the court (off the court, she's is extraordinarily adept at dealing with the media) and has no championships to show for it.  Yet, she's the one getting all the heat?  She's the womens' basketball savior?  She's the WNBA's next Jesus?  So it's multifaceted..... but still extremely shallow.

[Deej 76374]

50 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

It's she's somewhat pretty

That's a stretch

[closetohumping 17342]

20 hours ago, Pam Cummings said:

No no no women are just bitches to each other. There's definitely no examples of petty decades-long grievances that you could easily point out among men's sports.

Yes they are gonna be so mean to juju Watkins.  

[closetohumping 17342]

17 hours ago, aggie08 said:

Shit, you don't even have to go that far back to find a comparable example in the NBA. Some of the best players in the league and the old guard were some bitch asses when Steph became the talk of league around 2014. Basically boiling down to getting too much attention without having any real skins on the wall, and a general scoffing at the idea that they were about to change the game. It took until 2022 for him to fully shake the overrated/over-hyped sentiment. While race/class did play some factor (light-skinned rich kid), it was more just pettiness from players--current and retired--about the media and fans giving the new kid, the new generation too much shine.

It's probably more pronounced with Caitlin because she's the middle-America, religious white girl--and brings in some of those fans who wouldn't give the slightest of shits about the WNBA otherwise--but the resentment would still be there if she was a black media darling being hyped up to dominate the league straight out of college.

I do t think the Steph stuff was racial at all and I don’t remember him getting hammered.  Always pretty admired.  Now some hated on him because they were Bron guys or because of his slight frame and crazy shooting.  He was different.  He wasn’t treated like Clark is

20 hours ago, d2o said:

Shaq hated on Dwight Howard for yrs among the many players he's hated on over the yrs.   There are plenty of examples of old heads hating new school players.   Its not just a woman thing.   Its a bitch thing.  I can't even dismiss Swoopes' shit as anything else but hating now just like I don't dismiss Shaq's bitchassness as anything but hating.

And yes the MJ/Isiah thing is a prime example of a decades long beef.  

Shaq was somewhat threatened by Dwight at one point but Kobe hated Dwight too.  Dwight’s a knucklehead. Speaking of shaq I think he and Perkins both railed against Jokic in mvp talks.  Hmmm

[LTtxfan 48809]

On 9/18/2024 at 2:33 AM, Derka said:

 

Saw a clip in past that mentioned this...

During an appearance on Gilbert Arenas' podcast, Swoopes addressed the backlash she received on social media. At one point while she was ranting, the four-time WNBA champion said Black people can't be racist. 

"For people to come at me and say that I made those comments because I’m a racist. First of all, Black people can’t be racist. But that’s the farthest thing from my mind," Swoopes said, via OutKick. "I grew up in a very small West Texas town — predominantly white. My best childhood friend is white. Went to a predominantly white college. Won a national championship [and] pretty much everyone on the team was white. We’re sisters to this day. That’s not a part of my DNA."  

 

[closetohumping 17342]

14 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

Saw a clip in past that mentioned this...

During an appearance on Gilbert Arenas' podcast, Swoopes addressed the backlash she received on social media. At one point while she was ranting, the four-time WNBA champion said Black people can't be racist. 

"For people to come at me and say that I made those comments because I’m a racist. First of all, Black people can’t be racist. But that’s the farthest thing from my mind," Swoopes said, via OutKick. "I grew up in a very small West Texas town — predominantly white. My best childhood friend is white. Went to a predominantly white college. Won a national championship [and] pretty much everyone on the team was white. We’re sisters to this day. That’s not a part of my DNA."  

 

Ah the ole “I got white friends” line.  

[LTtxfan 48809]

WNBA star Caitlin Clark will compete in her last regular season game as a rookie when the Indiana Fever face the Washington Mystics at Entertainment & Sports Arena in Washington, D.C. on Thursday night.

When: Thursday, Sept. 19, 2024

Where: Entertainment & Sports Arena

Time: 7 p.m.

Live stream: Prime Video

[BurntOrange&White 39254]

The shit with Sheryl is just weird how she's trying to create controversy on the Fever by saying players aren't happy. She's literally trying to turn Clark's teammates against her.

[closetohumping 17342]

2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

The shit with Sheryl is just weird how she's trying to create controversy on the Fever by saying players aren't happy. She's literally trying to turn Clark's teammates against her.

Before Clark, when was the last time you thought about Sheryl swoopes.  Like Angela Reese and actually most of the rest of the wnba, Clark is the reason most people think of them respectively 

 

as for unhappy players, weren’t they the worst team in the league before Clark? 

Edited September 19 by closetohumping

[BurntOrange&White 39254]

Just now, closetohumping said:

Before Clark, when was the last time you thought about Sheryl swoopes.  Like Angela Reese and actually most of the rest of the wnba, Clark is the reason most people think of them respectively 

Probably as a teenager when I spent time around Houston in early 00s

[Pam Cummings 9527]

Sheryl Swoopes is a demonstrably very stupid person who has ruined the sliver of credibility she once had as a high end player. Stop thinking she speaks for everyone.

Edited September 19 by Pam Cummings

[Deej 76374]

You really shouldn't expect much from someone who went to Texas Tech.  

[ChickenSandwich 9791]

8 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said:

It's combination of a number of things.  It's not just that she's caucasian.  It's she's somewhat pretty (for some folks), girls like Taurisi look like they got run over by the ugly truck.  It's not that she's pretty and white, it's she's straight too.  Oh yea, there's an undercurrent there to a league who is probably much more gay than you think.  Sue Bird was pretty and white but didn't catch heat like this.  But it's not that she's white, pretty, and straight, it's also that she hasn't won anything.  This is the biggest point against her, I think.  She hasn't won anything.  If Jordan hadn't won that NC at UNC as a freshmen, when he was the 4th best player on the team (although had the highest ceiling and most likely just needed experience), can you imagine the backlash he would have gotten when he started to blow up Nike?  Although most likely he doesn't get the Nike contract, still..... no skins on the wall and folks don't care that women's basketball is very vertical and top heavy.  And lastly, she's white, pretty, straight, but no titles.... and she's got a nasty streak when she plays.  She's animated when she plays?  She stares, she talks shit, she whines to the officials, she gestiulates, she rolls her eyes, she's overly dramatic if things aren't going her way.  So, it's she's young, white, pretty, straight, who acts entitled and whines to officlals on the court (off the court, she's is extraordinarily adept at dealing with the media) and has no championships to show for it.  Yet, she's the one getting all the heat?  She's the womens' basketball savior?  She's the WNBA's next Jesus?  So it's multifaceted..... but still extremely shallow.

I think the biggest factor is her watchability.
 

The hype exploded when curious basketball fans tuned in to some of their first women’s basketball content and saw the hype was real.  She looked like a female S Curry.  
Her game was instantly recognizable as different than all others before her for traditional NBA fans, NBA players, and the media etc.

Contrast with those same fans watching an MVP A Williams highlight reel, and while admirable, is as exciting as watching paint dry.  

As for skins on the wall?  I disagree.  She has plenty of college records and two finals appearances with an inferior squad. 
 

Professionally, not only is she breaking multiple rookie records, she is also breaking all time records and will be taking last year’s worst team to the playoffs in a week.  I don’t feel like a rookie winning a Championship is a reasonable barometer at the moment.  
 

At this point in the history of the WNBA, if Clark hasn’t earned the hype, is it possible for anyone?

*The Curry doubt was just people thinking his size and crazy shooting were not sustainable in the NBA. They were wrong 

Edited September 19 by ChickenSandwich

[d2o 1602]

5 hours ago, closetohumping said:

Before Clark, when was the last time you thought about Sheryl swoopes.  Like Angela Reese and actually most of the rest of the wnba, Clark is the reason most people think of them respectively 

 

as for unhappy players, weren’t they the worst team in the league before Clark? 

3rd worst

[Derka 5839]

10 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said:

But it's not that she's white, pretty, and straight, it's also that she hasn't won anything.

that’s the thing about women’s basketball. “winning something” just means “went to uconn” 90% of the time. i saw an interview with breanna stewart where she was asked, “can you be a great player if you’ve never won a title?”, and she said, “no.” this is the same breanna stewart who won four titles at uconn. here’s a list of not-great players during stewart’s time at uconn:

a’ja wilson

kelsey plum

odyssey sims

elena della donne

skylar diggins

brittney griner

chiney ogwumike 

 

and a number of other girls who are probably great who i’m just not familiar with. winning in women’s basketball not remotely close to winning in men’s basketball, or really most any other sport. there’s always 1-3 teams that have any chance to win, in a league that’s 1/3 the size of a normal pro league to begin with. women’s basketball titles are the least earned titles of any professional sport on earth. 

[Not a cat 5601]

29 minutes ago, Derka said:

that’s the thing about women’s basketball. “winning something” just means “went to uconn” 90% of the time. i saw an interview with breanna stewart where she was asked, “can you be a great player if you’ve never won a title?”, and she said, “no.” this is the same breanna stewart who won four titles at uconn. here’s a list of not-great players during stewart’s time at uconn:

a’ja wilson

kelsey plum

odyssey sims

elena della donne

skylar diggins

brittney griner

chiney ogwumike 

 

and a number of other girls who are probably great who i’m just not familiar with. winning in women’s basketball not remotely close to winning in men’s basketball, or really most any other sport. there’s always 1-3 teams that have any chance to win, in a league that’s 1/3 the size of a normal pro league to begin with. women’s basketball titles are the least earned titles of any professional sport on earth. 

Not disagreeing with your basic premise, but didn't griner win a title?

[Derka 5839]

38 minutes ago, Not a cat said:

Not disagreeing with your basic premise, but didn't griner win a title?

not while she and stewart were both playing.

[d2o 1602]

39 minutes ago, Not a cat said:

Not disagreeing with your basic premise, but didn't griner win a title?

Yes, Griner was on the undefeated 2012 Baylor team and avg'd 23/9.5 and 5 blks/gm that season.  Odyssey Sims was on that team as well.   A'ja won a title as well in 2017 with South Carolina.   Arike won one in 2018 at Notre Dame.   Hayley Jones and Cam Brink won at Stanford in 2021.  

UConn hasnt won a title in the 8 yrs (7 seasons, taking out 2020 as there wasnt a tourney/champ that yr) since Stewart left.

I'm not trying to knock CC because she obviously was incredible in college but plenty of other big time players managed to win a title in college.  Its definitely much more top heavy in WCBB than other sports but its not an impossible task.

 

[closetohumping 17342]

7 hours ago, ChickenSandwich said:

I think the biggest factor is her watchability.
 

The hype exploded when curious basketball fans tuned in to some of their first women’s basketball content and saw the hype was real.  She looked like a female S Curry.  
Her game was instantly recognizable as different than all others before her for traditional NBA fans, NBA players, and the media etc.

Contrast with those same fans watching an MVP A Williams highlight reel, and while admirable, is as exciting as watching paint dry.  

As for skins on the wall?  I disagree.  She has plenty of college records and two finals appearances with an inferior squad. 
 

Professionally, not only is she breaking multiple rookie records, she is also breaking all time records and will be taking last year’s worst team to the playoffs in a week.  I don’t feel like a rookie winning a Championship is a reasonable barometer at the moment.  
 

At this point in the history of the WNBA, if Clark hasn’t earned the hype, is it possible for anyone?

*The Curry doubt was just people thinking his size and crazy shooting were not sustainable in the NBA. They were wrong 

Very true.  Stewart, Inoesccu, etc are great, but they aren't must see tv.  CC just plays differently

[closetohumping 17342]

3 hours ago, d2o said:

Yes, Griner was on the undefeated 2012 Baylor team and avg'd 23/9.5 and 5 blks/gm that season.  Odyssey Sims was on that team as well.   A'ja won a title as well in 2017 with South Carolina.   Arike won one in 2018 at Notre Dame.   Hayley Jones and Cam Brink won at Stanford in 2021.  

UConn hasnt won a title in the 8 yrs (7 seasons, taking out 2020 as there wasnt a tourney/champ that yr) since Stewart left.

I'm not trying to knock CC because she obviously was incredible in college but plenty of other big time players managed to win a title in college.  Its definitely much more top heavy in WCBB than other sports but its not an impossible task.

 

Supporting casts.  CC's Iowa teammates look like YWCA players.

[LTtxfan 48809]

Fever is #6 seed in playoffs.

Which team is a better matchup for them...

• Connecticut Sun ??
• Las Vegas Aces ??

Although the Liberty and the No. 6 Fever have their playoff seeds set, the Sun's seed isn't locked in yet. They start the day in third, but a loss Thursday combined with a Las Vegas Aces victory over the Dallas Wings (10 p.m. ET) would move up the Aces to the No. 3 seed and drop the Sun to No. 4. 

[LTtxfan 48809]

May not matter... likely  Sun vs Fever

[d2o 1602]

1 hour ago, closetohumping said:

Supporting casts.  CC's Iowa teammates look like YWCA players.

Not totally true.   While Iowa wasn't as deep as say South Carolina, they had multiple 4 star rated players and one teammate who was drafted as well.  They had also played together multiple yrs so they had good chemistry.   She wasn't just playing with whoever showed up that day.  The Iowa program made the tournament 10 out of 12 yrs before CC got there.   They aren't UConn or SC but they were not some complete unknown program that never accomplished anything either.

[Derka 5839]

5 hours ago, d2o said:

Yes, Griner was on the undefeated 2012 Baylor team and avg'd 23/9.5 and 5 blks/gm that season.  Odyssey Sims was on that team as well.   A'ja won a title as well in 2017 with South Carolina.   Arike won one in 2018 at Notre Dame.   Hayley Jones and Cam Brink won at Stanford in 2021.  

mike of them won a title while stewart was in college, which, according to her, means none of them were great during their time in college while stewart was at uconn.

[Derka 5839]

5 hours ago, d2o said:

Its definitely much more top heavy in WCBB than other sports but its not an impossible task.

there’s no more top heavy sport in the history of sports. coaching and recruiting matters more in this sport than any other sport. the game is played by poor athletes who play below the rim. stockpiling the most talented players works in this sport more than any other sport. to fault CC for not winning a title or to downgrade her for that is absurd.

Edited September 20 by Derka

[closetohumping 17342]

9 minutes ago, d2o said:

Not totally true.   While Iowa wasn't as deep as say South Carolina, they had multiple 4 star rated players and one teammate who was drafted as well.  They had also played together multiple yrs so they had good chemistry.   She wasn't just playing with whoever showed up that day.  The Iowa program made the tournament 10 out of 12 yrs before CC got there.   They aren't UConn or SC but they were not some complete unknown program that never accomplished anything either.

Not much tourney success pre Clark.  
 

making the tourney isn’t an accomplishment 

Edited September 20 by closetohumping

[d2o 1602]

23 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Not much tourney success pre Clark.  
 

making the tourney isn’t an accomplishment 

Doing it one time isnt an accomplishment.  Doing 10 of 12 yrs is.    They were single digit seeds every yr during that period.  Made multiple sweet 16s and Elite 8s.   Obviously they had more success when they had a singular talent like CC but again they werent some upstart program with no history of success.  They had the national POY in Megan Gustafson just a couple yrs before CC got there.

 

32 minutes ago, Derka said:

mike of them won a title while stewart was in college, which, according to her, means none of them were great during their time in college while stewart was at uconn.

Using "only when Stewart was in college" or what she said as some metric is silly.   First off, CC didnt play while Stewart was in college so it has nothing to do with anything.   More importantly, those players won titles when Stewart wasnt in college, just like CC played when Stewart wasnt in college and didn't.    And FTR, I'm not saying CC isnt great without a title.   

Those UConn teams were absolutely STACKED.    They had 8 other players that are playing in the W right now including all-stars and MVP level players.  Stewart was clearly the best of those teams but those teams win at least two titles without her.

 

[ztejas 43176]

2 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

Which team is a better matchup for them...

• Connecticut Sun ??
• Las Vegas Aces ??

Probably the team that didn't just win back to back WNBA championships and doesn't sport the best female player in the world. 

[Derka 5839]

54 minutes ago, d2o said:

Using "only when Stewart was in college" or what she said as some metric is silly.

she straight up said that you can’t be considered great until you’ve won a title. there’s no parsing that, it’s very straightforward: from 2013-2016, any women’s college player who didn’t play for uconn could not be considered great. 

[closetohumping 17342]

Being one of the 64 best teams in cbb is not an accomplishment.   Maybe the women’s field is smaller but I’ll stand by that. And if you watch Iowa vs uconn or scar the difference is obvious

[boilerhorn 1297]

Fever started 1-8 and 2-9, finishing 20-20.  They are 19-12 since their coach figured out that they have generational talent.  With CTH, Derka and me as a supporting cast. 

[Derka 5839]

 

[BurntOrange&White 39254]

8 hours ago, closetohumping said:

Being one of the 64 best teams in cbb is not an accomplishment.   Maybe the women’s field is smaller but I’ll stand by that. And if you watch Iowa vs uconn or scar the difference is obvious

Womens CBB is the dumbest shit ever and if a field reduction was ever needed it’s in that sport. There is virtually no Cinderella stories ever and the best example we have of a Cinderella run would be Iowa with Clark. 
 

opening and second round matches in this tourney are like 100-40 consistently. 

[BurntOrange&White 39254]

7 hours ago, boilerhorn said:

Fever started 1-8 and 2-9, finishing 20-20.  They are 19-12 since their coach figured out that they have generational talent.  With CTH, Derka and me as a supporting cast. 

I think the amount of games played in the quarter of the season affected them. They were playing just about every night it seemed. Also yeah their coach finally woke the fuck up. 

[BurntOrange&White 39254]

[statsman 5361]

1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

That is an amazing quote by Taurasi. I mean, in the NBA, touted rookies come in all the time, take a while to get their legs and catch up to the speed, and then ignite. I can’t imagine LeBron (who was a highly touted rookie like I just described) saying about any NBA rookie something like Taurasi did. Is the WNBA really that different?

[Derka 5839]

5 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Womens CBB is the dumbest shit ever and if a field reduction was ever needed it’s in that sport. There is virtually no Cinderella stories ever and the best example we have of a Cinderella run would be Iowa with Clark. 
 

opening and second round matches in this tourney are like 100-40 consistently. 

the elephant in the room that nobody is willing to publicly acknowledge or discuss is that the majority of the best female basketball players in the world have the athleticism of 7th grade boys who haven’t yet hit puberty. when you’re all slow, gangly, not particularly coordinated, can’t jump, or some combination of the above it makes big upsets nearly impossible. all of the best athletes and all of the best talent is on a handful of teams. there’s no formula for a lower seed to upset a higher seed other than the high seed tripping over its own dick all day long. this makes for an incredibly boring and uncompelling product for the first weekend at minimum, usually well beyond that. the women’s tourney should be 16 teams at most. everything before that is chalk.

Edited September 20 by Derka