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Just stop. A slow, undersized woman would get worked every fucking time down the court on defense. Her vertical is probably around 12-15 inches. The two games are so fundamentally different, she would

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so much more context here, including receipts. the treatment of caitlin clark is is not only *not* typical of how “any rookie would be treated”, she is actually seen as an enemy and a threat the major

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yeah, wnba fans constantly try and tell the rest of us that the talent level and the product is actually really good, and it’s just not. it’s pathetic. that is why this league would not exist on its o

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On 11/13/2024 at 8:28 PM, The Dog said:

Caitlin Clark brought her golf game and a big buzz to the LPGA Tour on Wednesday when the basketball star played in a pro-am that attracted a bigger crowd than the tour often gets for its tournament rounds.

The sentiment from the black community(males specifically) on TikTok is this is how you embrace a superstar and use her as leverage. WNBA should take note. 

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Yeah no shit.

I know the rookie class was amazing, and the WNBA was growing slowly.  But anyone who think that Clark, almost single handedly didn't raise the entire profile of that league, and interest in it, are being purposefully obtuse.

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38 minutes ago, Drew said:

Yeah no shit.

I know the rookie class was amazing, and the WNBA was growing slowly.  But anyone who think that Clark, almost single handedly didn't raise the entire profile of that league, and interest in it, are being purposefully obtuse.

I'll be curious to see the  ratings for the next womens final four.

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/womens-final-four-ratings-history-espn/

My guess is it drops back down to around 4-5M that watch the finals. 

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16 hours ago, Blotto said:

I'll be curious to see the  ratings for the next womens final four.

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/womens-final-four-ratings-history-espn/

My guess is it drops back down to around 4-5M that watch the finals. 

Honestly it may be pretty good.  The next crop, with Paige and Juju is pretty hyped up too.

I think Women's basketball, both the NCAA and WNBA will benefit from the Clark push for a while...as long as they don't purposefully keep trying to tear her down.

16 hours ago, closetohumping said:

Did they do angel reeses impact on Chicago?

I'm sure she made a fine impact...but they won't post numbers because it'll pale in comparison to what Clark did, and that will hurt some narratives.

 

And Let's face it...the idiotic Clark super fans acting like the WNBA was dying before her and can't take any criticism at all, makes it just as bad, if not worse, than the Clark Trolls who think she's only popular because she's White with a media push behind her.

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Yeah no shit.
I know the rookie class was amazing, and the WNBA was growing slowly.  But anyone who think that Clark, almost single handedly didn't raise the entire profile of that league, and interest in it, are being purposefully obtuse.

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Just now, Drew said:

Honestly it may be pretty good.  The next crop, with Paige and Juju is pretty hyped up too.

I think Women's basketball, both the NCAA and WNBA will benefit from the Clark push for a while...as long as they don't purposefully keep trying to tear her down.

I'm sure she made a fine impact...but they won't post numbers because it'll pale in comparison to what Clark did, and that will hurt some narratives.

 

And Let's face it...the idiotic Clark super fans acting like the WNBA was dying before her and can't take any criticism at all, makes it just as bad, if not worse, than the Clark Trolls who think she's only popular because she's White with a media push behind her.

The Clark idiots keep saying The wnba has been losing money all these years

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25 minutes ago, Drew said:

Honestly it may be pretty good.  The next crop, with Paige and Juju is pretty hyped up too.

I think Women's basketball, both the NCAA and WNBA will benefit from the Clark push for a while...as long as they don't purposefully keep trying to tear her down.

Bueckers has been on the scene for 4 years now and the vast majority of the US has no idea who she is. JuJu hasnt been around that long, but the same holds for her. CC is womens basketball for the majority of  casual viewers. hardcore wbb fans may disagree, but hardcore wbb fans are a tiny fraction of the sports  watching populace. The numbers will be down, the question is how much. I suspect  bigly. 

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10 minutes ago, Blotto said:

Bueckers has been on the scene for 4 years now and the vast majority of the US has no idea who she is

Lots of people know who Bueckers is. In fact she currently has more Instagram followers at 2M than Clark had immediately after last year’s tournament(1.8M). Plus she is only going to get bigger as she has lots more personality than CC. 

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18 minutes ago, TonyTexas said:

Lots of people know who Bueckers is. In fact she currently has more Instagram followers at 2M than Clark had immediately after last year’s tournament(1.8M). Plus she is only going to get bigger as she has lots more personality than CC. 

And yet the wbb final four will have nowhere close to the same audience. Instagram followers or not.

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1 hour ago, Blotto said:

And yet the wbb final four will have nowhere close to the same audience. Instagram followers or not.

It may not, I don't dispute that, but it'll be higher than it was before clark due to the Clark effect.

 

This is where i'm at. Obviously Clark was a shot in the arm of Women's Basketball and instead of embracing her fully, there was a lot of push back by older players, thinking "why her?"...lots of jealousy, even if they won't admit it.

 

However, the way people think it was ONLY clark, and that the WNBA was dead, when it WAS showing incremental signs of growth, are just as silly. It's still losing money...but that'll turn the more they embrace the new girls and really push Clark as their greatest asset.

 

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You’re getting into Helo territory. You defend Dak to the nth degree, but the biggest change in WBB ever is just ‘a shot in the arm,’ not a real difference maker outside the league’s organic growth. 

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This isn't anything new. However, a December 3 article from Dana Hunsinger Benbow of the Indianapolis Star showcased some new findings from "renowned valuation guru in the field of finance" Dr. Ryan Brewer — whose expertise is "estimating something or someone's worth" — that put Clark's impact into an entirely new light.

"Total TV viewership due to Clark is up 300% and 45% of total broadcast value came from Fever games," Brewer said in the article. "The league's merchandise sales catapulted 500%, with Clark ranking No. 1 followed by the Chicago Sky's Angel Reese, another rookie."

The fact that Clark and the Fever made for nearly 50% of the WNBA's total broadcast value is staggering, to say the least. And that metric is likely to increase as Clark's career progresses.

 

Benbow also added in the article, "The most astonishing number of all is Clark's economic impact on the city of Indianapolis, which Brewer says is upwards of $36 million. Not as big as the NBA All-Star game's $400 million financial boost to the city in February, but a respectable 10% of that."

"Now, let's take a breath for a minute and think about this," said Brewer. "That's for one year. We're talking about one player."

Earlier on in the article, Benbow wrote, "One of every six tickets sold at a WNBA arena can be attributed to Clark."

 

 

 

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18 hours ago, Pancho said:

Seeing some Clark slander on socials lately by a certain group of Americans.

Was there an article written about her recently and we missed it?

 

She genuflected to all of the black players who came before her and built the league into what it was before she arrived (an almost universally mocked disaster) yet received no attention from the racist culture. Same routine Bueckers follows every time she receives an award. Caitlin is doing her best to discourage further assaults during the upcoming season.  

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On 12/12/2024 at 6:25 AM, alincoln said:

She genuflected to all of the black players who came before her and built the league into what it was before she arrived (an almost universally mocked disaster) yet received no attention from the racist culture. 

 

Yeah, I don’t know what this means but okay.

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On 12/5/2024 at 11:30 AM, TonyTexas said:

Lots of people know who Bueckers is. In fact she currently has more Instagram followers at 2M than Clark had immediately after last year’s tournament(1.8M). Plus she is only going to get bigger as she has lots more personality than CC. 

As part of my daughter's youth basketball team's tournament in Minnesota I had to keep the book for some games.  One of those included a 6th grade Bueckers playing up on a 8th grade team. The other guy working the clock and I just sat at the scorer's table laughing at what a joke she made the game.  She actually got bored and quit scoring in the second half, instead electing to go for steals and assists.

Fortunately, my daughter's team took their typical journey through the friendship bracket so she never had to face Paige.

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At least she is recognizing the racism coming from all of the WNBA players. Apparently so bad Clark felt the need to apologize for her skin color. 
 

"Why couldn’t they have put the WNBA on that cover and say, ‘The WNBA is the league of the year,’ because of all the talent that we have," Johnson said. "When you single out one player, it creates hard feelings, so now you’re starting to hear stories of racism within the WNBA, and I don’t want to hear that."

 

Johnson went so far as to claim that Clark’s attention and the minting of the term "the Caitlin Clark effect," which has been associated with the attention she has brought to the league, is because of race.

"It’s the way media plays out race," Johnson said. "I feel really bad, because I’ve seen so many players of color that are equally as talented, and they never got the recognition they should have." 
 

The Mystics' season finale against Clark's Indiana Fever was moved from the Mystics' home venue, the Entertainment and Sports Arena with just 4,200 seats, to the Wizards' venue, the Capital One Arena, which has a maximum capacity of 20,356 for basketball games. As a result, the Sept. 19 game between the Fever and Mystics was the most-attended WNBA regular season game in history, with 20,711 fans in attendance. 

"It has taken the WNBA almost 28 to get to the point where we are now, and this year something clicked with the WNBA, and it's because of the draft of the players that came in, it's not just Caitlin Clark, it's Reese," Johnson said. "We have so much talent out there that's so unrecognized, and I don't think we can just pin it on one player." 

Translation: we failed for 27 years to generate fans and interest and one player boosted our attendance 50%+ in just one season. 

 

WNBA has a problem with their league being full of racists. Sad

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17 hours ago, ChickenSandwich said:

"When you single out one player, it creates hard feelings, so now you’re starting to hear stories of racism within the WNBA, and I don’t want to hear that."

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Johnson went so far as to claim that Clark’s attention and the minting of the term "the Caitlin Clark effect," which has been associated with the attention she has brought to the league, is because of race.

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When golf broadcast viewership numbers went  up because of Tiger, yes there was some backlash about the quality of the other players and there was racism, but was there denial that the increase in popularity was due to him?  Were people saying Phil was just as good?  I don’t remember that, but those were my college years so my memory may not be trustworthy. 

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58 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Were people saying Phil was just as good?

Yes. And Duval. And Vijay. And several others. But Tiger just kept winning. And kept winning. And kept winning. 

Did the hype have an element of race? For the love of god, yes absolutely. Was his race perhaps even the DRIVING reason for the hype? Yes, but only because his talent was enough to justify him being in the spotlight. He was a prodigy, AND he was black, and those two things together were what made the hype machine go brrr. But then what did Tiger do? He went out and won his 5th start, then won again in his very next start. 

Let's face it; the Clark situation is exactly the same goddamned thing. The hype machine in college started because she was very, very good. Her teams won, she elevated historically-good teams into great teams. She WON. And because she was also white, her winning took on a different tone. Then she goes to the league and sets all kinds of records. And because she's white, the winning takes on a different tone. 

I'm not saying she's the next Tiger Woods. I'm saying that the hype has a massive racial component that one would be stupid to ignore, and that the parallels to Tiger's impact on the game are valid. More black people started watching golf not because golf suddenly got interesting, but because a black guy was winning golf tournaments. More white people are watching the WNBA not because the product has fundamentally changed in any way, but because there's a white woman excelling on the court. It doesn't make those viewers racist, but there is a racial component. 

The backlash from black players who are grumbling about "these fans are only watching because she's white" is entirely and utterly misplaced. Like, who gives a shit? They're WATCHING. And you're on TV now with a chance to speak directly to them, so take it! It also happened in pro golf, btw. But you know what Tiger did? He just kept winning. And those eyeballs just kept watching. And every professional golfer since has made an order of magnitude more money than they would have had Tiger not existed. I'm hopeful that the WNBA sees similar changes.

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2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

So this is where very online white guys go to practice intersectionality.

Cool.

"When you single out one player, it creates hard feelings, so now you’re starting to hear stories of racism within the WNBA, and I don’t want to hear that."
 

DD: Why did you do this white people?

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