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  On 12/18/2024 at 5:35 PM, Drew said:

Yes she'd be another player.  A highly skilled, respected, and less criticized player who probably didn't draw the attention she has now.  

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lol, no, not with these first year accomplishments.

There is not a player in the WNBA with her skill set, past or present

 

2024

▪︎ First rookie since 2008 to be named to All-WNBA first team.

▪︎ 2024 WNBA Rookie of the Year.

▪︎ 2024 WNBA All-Rookie Team.

▪︎ Most points by a point guard in a season in WNBA history.

▪︎ Most double-doubles by a rookie guard in WNBA history.

▪︎ Most points by a rookie in WNBA history.

▪︎ Most assists by a rookie in WNBA history.

▪︎ First WNBA rookie to record two triple-doubles.

▪︎ First triple-double by a rookie in WNBA history and first triple-double in Fever history.

▪︎ 1st player in WNBA history to be named Player of the Month and Rookie of the Month in the same month.

▪︎ 1st player in WNBA history with 20+ points, 15+ assists and 5+ rebounds in a game.

▪︎ 4x WNBA Rookie of the Month.

▪︎ 3x Eastern Conference Player of the Week.

▪︎ WNBA rookie single-season scoring record.

▪︎ WNBA single-season record for assists.

▪︎ WNBA single-season rookie record for assists.

▪︎ WNBA single-season rookie record for three-pointers.

▪︎ WNBA single-season turnover record.

▪︎ WNBA single-game record for assists (19).

▪︎ Set franchise record for most double-doubles in a season with Indiana Fever.

▪︎ Set franchise record for most three-pointers in a season with Indiana Fever.

▪︎ Set franchise record for most career 10+ assist games with Indiana Fever.

▪︎ Fastest WNBA player to reach 100 three-pointers (in 34 games).

▪︎ Most assists by a rookie in WNBA All-Star Game history (10).

▪︎ Ninth rookie to be named a WNBA All-Star starter.

▪︎ Only player with more than 700,000 votes for the WNBA All-Star Game (most All-Star Game fan votes ever)

▪︎ Fastest player to reach 350 points and 150 assists to start a WNBA season (regardless of years in the league).

▪︎ Twenty points, three assists, two steals and 10 turnovers in WNBA debut on May 14.

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Oh yeah, she's be very respected by her peers if she was black. She'd draw attention for sure...but let's not pretend that if she wasn't white she wouldn't be the super star house hold name she is.

No I don't' think she's being pushed by media because she's white, and she's "just another player" if she was black.  But I don't think she'd be the ratings/attendance draw if she was.  (at least not to this level...she would cause a bump in ratings for sure)

Really hard to know one way or the other...and honestly this race shit is fucking annoying by both her fans and detractors.

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  On 12/18/2024 at 6:40 PM, Drew said:

Oh yeah, she's be very respected by her peers if she was black. She'd draw attention for sure...but let's not pretend that if she wasn't white she wouldn't be the super star house hold name she is.

No I don't' think she's being pushed by media because she's white, and she's "just another player" if she was black.  But I don't think she'd be the ratings/attendance draw if she was.  (at least not to this level...she would cause a bump in ratings for sure)

Really hard to know one way or the other...and honestly this race shit is fucking annoying by both her fans and detractors.

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I’m curious if that applies to Tiger.  If he were white would he have been as big as he is. 
 

 

to me Caitlin’s appeal isn’t her race, it’s her game

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  On 12/18/2024 at 8:12 PM, closetohumping said:

I’m curious if that applies to Tiger.  If he were white would he have been as big as he is. 
 

 

to me Caitlin’s appeal isn’t her race, it’s her game

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That's a fair question.  And I'm not sure.  You could contend that if a white player had the same skills and accomplishments as tiger did from 1999-2005 he might have been bigger.  

 

OR, he could just have been "another guy" that wins a lot and has no appeal.  Just hard to know for sure.

 

And BTW I do think Clark would be popular no matter what race she is with her skill set...I'm just willing to accept Race has played at least a small part in her overreaching popularity.

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  On 12/18/2024 at 8:21 PM, Drew said:

That's a fair question.  And I'm not sure.  You could contend that if a white player had the same skills and accomplishments as tiger did from 1999-2005 he might have been bigger.  

 

OR, he could just have been "another guy" that wins a lot and has no appeal.  Just hard to know for sure.

 

And BTW I do think Clark would be popular no matter what race she is with her skill set...I'm just willing to accept Race has played at least a small part in her overreaching popularity.

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I don’t really know either.  I’ll point out that Ja Morant sells more jerseys than the joker.  Maybe it’s style of play and not race?

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  On 12/18/2024 at 8:28 PM, closetohumping said:

I don’t really know either.  I’ll point out that Ja Morant sells more jerseys than the joker.  Maybe it’s style of play and not race?

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I didn't know that, but that's not surprising.  So that definitely may have more to do with than anything.

Clark would probably be more popular than A'ja regardless of race due the style of play.  Same as Steph was.

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I like Caitlin Clark precisely because all the annoying WNBA players hate her.  And I have enjoyed watching her take it to them on the court.  And I also like that she has largely stayed out of politics (which is part of what makes those other WNBA players so annoying).  

 

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  On 12/18/2024 at 8:12 PM, closetohumping said:

I’m curious if that applies to Tiger.  If he were white would he have been as big as he is. 
 

 

to me Caitlin’s appeal isn’t her race, it’s her game

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No..... but he still would have been massive, because he's done something Caitlin never has.... won.  He won at the amateur level and directly as a young pro.  His resume' speaks for itself and yes, he changed the game with his athleticism turning your grandfather's game into something hipper, cooler, and better thought of.  His cultural roots make him an amazing American fairy tale in some senses and nightmare in others, but he still would have been huge.  Maybe 95% of the attention he got, which was utter craziness. 

Maybe Catilin is more like Gerry Cooney in the 80's..... the great white hope.  Back in those days, you could just say it.  A sport dominated by black athletes for decades and people turned Cooney, who was an awkward, mildly talented, Long Islander into some cartoon character, like he alone was protecting white, blue collar America.  It was more fleeting especially after he got crushed by Larry Holmes, but the same thing would apply if there was an American hooper like Caitlin.  All the whiteys praying for another Larry Bird.  I'm looking for a pajaro Larry!!!!  That would be cool. 

Clark deserves all her flowers.  It's just not that she's white, there have been other white lady hoopers, it's that her game is fresh (ironic that now it's getting blowback) in the women's game like Steph's was 15 years ago AND she's white.  She also handles herself with the grace and intelligence of someone who is older and wiser.  That's refreshing.  People need to cut her some slack and enjoy her game, it's a good one.

 

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  On 12/20/2024 at 12:09 AM, Patrick Bateman said:

No..... but he still would have been massive, because he's done something Caitlin never has.... won.  He won at the amateur level and directly as a young pro.  His resume' speaks for itself and yes, he changed the game with his athleticism turning your grandfather's game into something hipper, cooler, and better thought of.  His cultural roots make him an amazing American fairy tale in some senses and nightmare in others, but he still would have been huge.  Maybe 95% of the attention he got, which was utter craziness. 

Maybe Catilin is more like Gerry Cooney in the 80's..... the great white hope.  Back in those days, you could just say it.  A sport dominated by black athletes for decades and people turned Cooney, who was an awkward, mildly talented, Long Islander into some cartoon character, like he alone was protecting white, blue collar America.  It was more fleeting especially after he got crushed by Larry Holmes, but the same thing would apply if there was an American hooper like Caitlin.  All the whiteys praying for another Larry Bird.  I'm looking for a pajaro Larry!!!!  That would be cool. 

Clark deserves all her flowers.  It's just not that she's white, there have been other white lady hoopers, it's that her game is fresh (ironic that now it's getting blowback) in the women's game like Steph's was 15 years ago AND she's white.  She also handles herself with the grace and intelligence of someone who is older and wiser.  That's refreshing.  People need to cut her some slack and enjoy her game, it's a good one.

 

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Basketball is a team sport.  

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  On 12/20/2024 at 12:09 AM, Patrick Bateman said:

No..... but he still would have been massive, because he's done something Caitlin never has.... won.  He won at the amateur level and directly as a young pro.  His resume' speaks for itself and yes, he changed the game with his athleticism turning your grandfather's game into something hipper, cooler, and better thought of.  His cultural roots make him an amazing American fairy tale in some senses and nightmare in others, but he still would have been huge.  Maybe 95% of the attention he got, which was utter craziness. 

Maybe Catilin is more like Gerry Cooney in the 80's..... the great white hope.  Back in those days, you could just say it.  A sport dominated by black athletes for decades and people turned Cooney, who was an awkward, mildly talented, Long Islander into some cartoon character, like he alone was protecting white, blue collar America.  It was more fleeting especially after he got crushed by Larry Holmes, but the same thing would apply if there was an American hooper like Caitlin.  All the whiteys praying for another Larry Bird.  I'm looking for a pajaro Larry!!!!  That would be cool. 

Clark deserves all her flowers.  It's just not that she's white, there have been other white lady hoopers, it's that her game is fresh (ironic that now it's getting blowback) in the women's game like Steph's was 15 years ago AND she's white.  She also handles herself with the grace and intelligence of someone who is older and wiser.  That's refreshing.  People need to cut her some slack and enjoy her game, it's a good one.

 

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I think she's more comparable to Gretzky. Hockey kind of exploded with him.

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  On 12/20/2024 at 3:53 AM, Pam Cummings said:

I think she's more comparable to Gretzky. Hockey kind of exploded with him.

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I think that may miss the racial component though..... Gretzky was a white Canadian dominating a white Canadian sport.  Maybe Simone Biles?  There were other black gymnasts before her but she exploded, but again, mostly because she won...... and won and won again.

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  On 12/18/2024 at 6:36 PM, ChickenSandwich said:

lol, no, not with these first year accomplishments.

There is not a player in the WNBA with her skill set, past or present

 

2024

▪︎ First rookie since 2008 to be named to All-WNBA first team.

▪︎ 2024 WNBA Rookie of the Year.

▪︎ 2024 WNBA All-Rookie Team.

▪︎ Most points by a point guard in a season in WNBA history.

▪︎ Most double-doubles by a rookie guard in WNBA history.

▪︎ Most points by a rookie in WNBA history.

▪︎ Most assists by a rookie in WNBA history.

▪︎ First WNBA rookie to record two triple-doubles.

▪︎ First triple-double by a rookie in WNBA history and first triple-double in Fever history.

▪︎ 1st player in WNBA history to be named Player of the Month and Rookie of the Month in the same month.

▪︎ 1st player in WNBA history with 20+ points, 15+ assists and 5+ rebounds in a game.

▪︎ 4x WNBA Rookie of the Month.

▪︎ 3x Eastern Conference Player of the Week.

▪︎ WNBA rookie single-season scoring record.

▪︎ WNBA single-season record for assists.

▪︎ WNBA single-season rookie record for assists.

▪︎ WNBA single-season rookie record for three-pointers.

▪︎ WNBA single-season turnover record.

▪︎ WNBA single-game record for assists (19).

▪︎ Set franchise record for most double-doubles in a season with Indiana Fever.

▪︎ Set franchise record for most three-pointers in a season with Indiana Fever.

▪︎ Set franchise record for most career 10+ assist games with Indiana Fever.

▪︎ Fastest WNBA player to reach 100 three-pointers (in 34 games).

▪︎ Most assists by a rookie in WNBA All-Star Game history (10).

▪︎ Ninth rookie to be named a WNBA All-Star starter.

▪︎ Only player with more than 700,000 votes for the WNBA All-Star Game (most All-Star Game fan votes ever)

▪︎ Fastest player to reach 350 points and 150 assists to start a WNBA season (regardless of years in the league).

▪︎ Twenty points, three assists, two steals and 10 turnovers in WNBA debut on May 14.

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Yeah crazy to see posts that say Caitlin only gets more attention because she's white...

Her game and results are amazing... she could be the wnba's Jordan or Magic...  

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  On 12/20/2024 at 5:00 AM, closetohumping said:

As in Tiger is making a lot of money for his peers. I feel Caitlin did the same.  I don’t think tiger was as outwardly hated by his peers though.   Curious how the league will treat juju Watkins 

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Tiger certainly wasn't beloved by his peers, anything but.  Not sure if you've read any books about him or from his peers, but Tiger was a weird guy with limited social skills and a huge ego (deserved).  I don't believe Clark is hated by her peers either.  Maybe from a few dummies out there but I think most of her WNBA peers probably like her or at least respect her, while some of them understand they're jealous of her.  She's simply the next step in the evolution of the game, hopefully the league won't fuck up their golden goose.   

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Just in the car and some talking head on EPSN Radio said it needs to be women of color and gay women at the table and not Caitlin and her mansplainers. 

Lulz.

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  On 12/20/2024 at 12:09 AM, Patrick Bateman said:

No..... but he still would have been massive, because he's done something Caitlin never has.... won.  He won at the amateur level and directly as a young pro.  His resume' speaks for itself and yes, he changed the game with his athleticism turning your grandfather's game into something hipper, cooler, and better thought of.  His cultural roots make him an amazing American fairy tale in some senses and nightmare in others, but he still would have been huge.  Maybe 95% of the attention he got, which was utter craziness. 

Maybe Catilin is more like Gerry Cooney in the 80's..... the great white hope.  Back in those days, you could just say it.  A sport dominated by black athletes for decades and people turned Cooney, who was an awkward, mildly talented, Long Islander into some cartoon character, like he alone was protecting white, blue collar America.  It was more fleeting especially after he got crushed by Larry Holmes, but the same thing would apply if there was an American hooper like Caitlin.  All the whiteys praying for another Larry Bird.  I'm looking for a pajaro Larry!!!!  That would be cool. 

Clark deserves all her flowers.  It's just not that she's white, there have been other white lady hoopers, it's that her game is fresh (ironic that now it's getting blowback) in the women's game like Steph's was 15 years ago AND she's white.  She also handles herself with the grace and intelligence of someone who is older and wiser.  That's refreshing.  People need to cut her some slack and enjoy her game, it's a good one.

 

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Dude - Jesus Christ.

I had to look up who Gerry Cooney even was. 

What the fuck are you talking about. 

Caitlin is the fucking shit and a total badass. She's way closer to Tiger than Gerry Cooney is to her.

CC is a bad bitch and doesn't owe anything to being white. She's the best female basketball player in the world (or - at least - she's on track to be).

Not everything is race-related. Sometimes individuals excel at an extremely high level and they justifiably get lauded for it. 

Fucking Gerry Cooney. Wow. Take a couple plays off PB. 

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My son goes to Iowa and knows one of the guys on the practice squad.  He said Caitlyn talked some shit during those scrimmages, along the lines of asking the guy guarding her something like "how you like that, bitch?"

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  On 4/9/2025 at 10:35 AM, Not a cat said:

My son goes to Iowa and knows one of the guys on the practice squad.  He said Caitlyn talked some shit during those scrimmages, along the lines of asking the guy guarding her something like "how you like that, bitch?"

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I really don't know why people hate her except for her stupid fan base going overly racist at times(which is responded to with even more racist remarks from her haters).

The has a bit of that mamba mentality with Curry's games(but a better play maker on top).

Honestly the player she reminds me most of is Luka.  The swagger. The trash talk. The type of game...pulling up from 3 whenever he wants AND dropping amazing dimes on your head while being ball dominant.

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It puzzles me when people try and make comps or act like they don't know who she reminds them of. She's a perfect Bird analogue. I've said this before. 

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  On 4/11/2025 at 2:55 AM, Pato del Muerto said:

Sue Bird?

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Mark Fidrych.

I watched a chunk of her interview with Letterman last night. I'm not sure how old it was, I think pretty new. You would have to have something wrong with you or some sort of irrational anger to dislike this person. She just gets it. She goes with the flow, is self depreciating while also confident, is respectful of everyone, and is really smart. Pretty amazing for someone that young. Nothing super compelling other than the thing about the scrimmage against the stand ins but she came across really well, to me at least. 

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  On 4/11/2025 at 3:05 AM, Baboontyme said:

Mark Fidrych.

I watched a chunk of her interview with Letterman last night. I'm not sure how old it was, I think pretty new. You would have to have something wrong with you or some sort of irrational anger to dislike this person. She just gets it. She goes with the flow, is self depreciating while also confident, is respectful of everyone, and is really smart. Pretty amazing for someone that young. Nothing super compelling other than the thing about the scrimmage against the stand ins but she came across really well, to me at least. 

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This is why women hate her.   Too perfect that she sames fake.  That and she’s really good.  And of course the white thang

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  On 4/11/2025 at 2:55 AM, Pato del Muerto said:

Sue Bird?

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Larry.

  On 4/11/2025 at 3:05 AM, Baboontyme said:

Mark Fidrych.

I watched a chunk of her interview with Letterman last night. I'm not sure how old it was, I think pretty new. You would have to have something wrong with you or some sort of irrational anger to dislike this person. She just gets it. She goes with the flow, is self depreciating while also confident, is respectful of everyone, and is really smart. Pretty amazing for someone that young. Nothing super compelling other than the thing about the scrimmage against the stand ins but she came across really well, to me at least. 

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Yeah. She's awesome. I didn't get the "I don't know why people hate her" comment because I don't understand why anyone wouldn't like her. 

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It’s going to be interesting when Caitlin & Paige are the faces of the league this year. 

There may be some haters. 

Some veterans are going to be torn over which one to foul (off the ball) harder.

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  On 4/11/2025 at 3:05 AM, Baboontyme said:

Mark Fidrych.

I watched a chunk of her interview with Letterman last night. I'm not sure how old it was, I think pretty new. You would have to have something wrong with you or some sort of irrational anger to dislike this person. She just gets it. She goes with the flow, is self depreciating while also confident, is respectful of everyone, and is really smart. Pretty amazing for someone that young. Nothing super compelling other than the thing about the scrimmage against the stand ins but she came across really well, to me at least. 

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That's a lot of words to just say would

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  On 4/11/2025 at 5:59 AM, Napoleon said:

It’s going to be interesting when Caitlin & Paige are the faces of the league this year. 

There may be some haters. 

Some veterans are going to be torn over which one to foul (off the ball) harder.

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Paige will be ok.  Remember that video of private school Aja Wilson saying Paige actually acknowledges that her race is a privelege 

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  On 4/11/2025 at 12:30 PM, BurntOrange&White said:

There was a video/article posted in here that basically said WNBA hates her because she doesn't bow to black, lesbian, etc culture. I'll try to find it.

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Caitlin you mean?  Yep I can see that.  I think the fact that she seems indifferent to the bullying is what gets them riled up.  She basically either compliments or ignores Carter, Swoopes, Reese, Dijonnaire, etc

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  On 4/11/2025 at 5:59 AM, Napoleon said:

It’s going to be interesting when Caitlin & Paige are the faces of the league this year. 

There may be some haters. 

Some veterans are going to be torn over which one to foul (off the ball) harder.

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They'll give Paige the pass they didn't give Clark.  One because Paige isn't be touted as the "Savior" and doesn't have a huge part of her fan base being racist assholes.

 

Plus she went to UCONN which gives her an "In" already, and she meets 2 of their quotes...she's not Strait AND she's already cow towed and been very vocal about how much she is a privileged white girl.

  On 4/11/2025 at 12:28 PM, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Paige will be ok.  Remember that video of private school Aja Wilson saying Paige actually acknowledges that her race is a privelege 

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Yep. They already love her. She will NOT get the shit Clark did coming out(which is fine by me as I want the Wings to be good.)

  On 4/11/2025 at 12:30 PM, BurntOrange&White said:

There was a video/article posted in here that basically said WNBA hates her because she doesn't bow to black, lesbian, etc culture. I'll try to find it.

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That was Clark.

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  On 4/11/2025 at 3:30 PM, Drew said:

They'll give Paige the pass they didn't give Clark.  One because Paige isn't be touted as the "Savior" and doesn't have a huge part of her fan base being racist assholes.

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The biggest racist assholes in the Clark stuff has been from the black side. Unless you are of the opinion black people cant be racist

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  On 4/11/2025 at 3:30 PM, Drew said:

They'll give Paige the pass they didn't give Clark.  One because Paige isn't be touted as the "Savior" and doesn't have a huge part of her fan base being racist assholes.

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caitlyn clark didn’t have any racist asshole fans until after the black coalition in the wnba started attacking her verbally and physically on a daily basis, so that’s not a valid excuse as to why she was treated that way. the asshole racist cc fans were/are a response to the treatment of cc by (almost exclusively) black players and former players.

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  On 4/11/2025 at 4:08 PM, BurntOrange&White said:

The biggest racist assholes in the Clark stuff has been from the black side. Unless you are of the opinion black people cant be racist

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Of course I dont' beleive that.

But I won't say either side is MORE racist than the other.  Neither is okay and that's why she's a lightning rod.

  On 4/11/2025 at 4:28 PM, Derka said:

caitlyn clark didn’t have any racist asshole fans until after the black coalition in the wnba started attacking her verbally and physically on a daily basis, so that’s not a valid excuse as to why she was treated that way. the asshole racist cc fans were/are a response to the treatment of cc by (almost exclusively) black players and former players.

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Maybe so, but regardless that is the biggest reason she still get hate, right or wrong.

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My initial thoughts are that racist white folks are more likely misogynist and homophobic as well, so a mostly black, gay (?) women’s basketball league wouldn’t be on their radars until you give them something to rally behind. Maybe the great white straight hope angle was enough on its own but the extra resistance from the groups they hate will draw them in. 

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