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2023 Houston Rockets Offseason Thread - Time to Start Thinking About Winning Again

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8 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

So they have 60m free cap space, that means 40m to FVV, 14m to Brooks and ?? to Kuzma?  Or is it a Kuzma or Brooks deal? I think I would prefer Kuzma over Brooks assuming both are 2 year deals.

They would have to trade Porter and his $15M contract to make room for Kuzma.

I would say the following players are in the core plans for the team.

Green, Smith, Sengun, Eason, Thompson, Whitmore. Combined those six make $38,333,640.

By trading Tate, Christopher, Garuba, Washington, and Martin freeing up another $15M+.

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3 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

They would have to trade Porter and his $15M contract to make room for Kuzma. They also could look to trade Tate, Christopher, and Martin freeing up another $11M+.

I wonder if Washington would be interested in a S&T deal to get some young guys from the Rockets. Their front office might be dumb enough to send a future first for that poo poo platter.

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If the Rockets cut it down to the core 6, then they would have around $98M to spend in FA, and $84M to reach the 90% threshold.

VanVleet - $41.8M

Brooks - $16M

That would leave them with 8 players signed and another $39M and change to work with. 

If you add the contracts of Tate, Garuba, Christopher, Washington, and Martin that would run that number down to $24M, and then you add back Porter's $15M you still have $9M.

So, by trading Porter you have more than enough to sign Kuzma, and likely another player. I personally like Bamba as the backup big to Sengun.

That means after FA you have.

PG - VanVleet, Thompson, Washington

SG - Green, Christopher

SF - Brooks, Eason, Tate, Whitmore

PF - Smith, Kuzma, Martin, Tate

C - Sengun, Bamba, Garuba

That's a 16-man roster, and likely a team strong enough to make the playoffs outright.

Rockets are in a great position to have an excellent FA.

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This feels like another classic case of a Houston team bidding against themselves. FVV is top 3 of a bad FA class. He has been making $21M a year. Who out there was offering him close to $40M per year? Plus all the income tax savings that most professional athletes seem to ignore when picking or snubbing Texas teams. 
 

At least it’s only two years. Hopefully none of the young guys get pissy and start locker room drama when FVV is pulling down over $40 and the 6 first round guys from the past 3 drafts make like $38M combined. 

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10 minutes ago, Murfdogg21 said:

This feels like another classic case of a Houston team bidding against themselves. FVV is top 3 of a bad FA class. He has been making $21M a year. Who out there was offering him close to $40M per year? Plus all the income tax savings that most professional athletes seem to ignore when picking or snubbing Texas teams. 
 

At least it’s only two years. Hopefully none of the young guys get pissy and start locker room drama when FVV is pulling down over $40 and the 6 first round guys from the past 3 drafts make like $38M combined. 

That's the whole fucking point. You are driving up the AAV on a short-term deal, because you only want him here until Green and Sengun's rookie contracts are up. Without giving the max, he is not coming here on a 2-year deal when other teams could match the AAV number over 4-years. The Rockets have to spend the fucking money.

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Yeah, FVV would probably get about 4 years and 110-125m from another team. 2 years for 83m is much more appealing, and it's not like the Rockets have somewhere else to spend it. A short term overpay of 2 years is infinitely better than overpaying Harden for 4. 

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9 hours ago, Dutchrudder said:

Yeah, FVV would probably get about 4 years and 110-125m from another team. 2 years for 83m is much more appealing, and it's not like the Rockets have somewhere else to spend it. A short term overpay of 2 years is infinitely better than overpaying Harden for 4. 

John Wall has entered the chat. 

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4 hours ago, Planet Houston said:

Heard on the radio this afternoon that the Rockets are meeting with Kyrie today. Fuck. That. 

Kyrie, this can be your team of you can lead it.

Maybe that might be what gets him to focus on basketball for 2 years. Maybe. Might. 

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11 hours ago, Dutchrudder said:

Yeah, FVV would probably get about 4 years and 110-125m from another team. 2 years for 83m is much more appealing, and it's not like the Rockets have somewhere else to spend it. A short term overpay of 2 years is infinitely better than overpaying Harden for 4. 

Or $130 for only 3 years here! 
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40+ million annually for FVV is so fucking dumb. Nobody else was going to offer anywhere near that much, they were bidding against themselves and added an extra max year for no reason beyond being desperate suckers. This team is a long way away from competing for anything significant. 

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8 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

40+ million annually for FVV is so fucking dumb. Nobody else was going to offer anywhere near that much, they were bidding against themselves and added an extra max year for no reason beyond being desperate suckers. This team is a long way away from competing for anything significant. 

Toronto was planning on keeping him at 4 for $120 million. Had to outbid them to get him 

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Seems ok. $60 million under the cap (which only goes up), had to spend it on someone.  The next options were not good, and roster spots are tight. 
 

Feels like the team is hitting the pause button to evaluate all of the young talent over the next two years. FVV can hopefully be a second head coach on the court and a placeholder until the talent and direction of the team becomes clearer. 

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15 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

40+ million annually for FVV is so fucking dumb. Nobody else was going to offer anywhere near that much, they were bidding against themselves and added an extra max year for no reason beyond being desperate suckers. This team is a long way away from competing for anything significant. 

It would be if it was a 5-year contract. The Rockets need to win games, they don't control their pick next year. They need to get really good veterans that can teach the young core how to win games. Even in year 3, Van Vleet can play off-ball with Thompson on ball. Thompson needs to develop slowly in his 1st 2 years because he can't shoot worth a shit.

The Rockets will add to Van Vleet with Brooks and Lopez and that team will make the playoffs.

In 3 years, the Rockets core will be

Green - 23

Smith - 22

Sengun - 23

Eason - 24

Thompson - 23

Whitmore - 21

 

If those guys have 15-20 playoff games of experience, then the window to compete will be open for a long time.

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19 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

In 3 years, the Rockets core will be

Green - 23

Smith - 22

Sengun - 23

Eason - 24

Thompson - 23

Whitmore - 21

this is a key factor that people seem to be missing.  who gives a fuck if they had to give him an extra year when, at the end of his deal, the core will still be babies?  might as well teach them something over the next three years.

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