Stanley Cup Playoffs discussion thread — 2023 edition

[C-Man 27777]

How about them Leafs!

[Shoxthemonkey 1992]

1 hour ago, shadow_operative2.0 said:

Devils win, Lightning will also. 

Or not. What a comeback by the Leafs

ETA I'm not as quick as SO2

Edited April 25, 2023 by Shoxthemonkey

[C-Man 27777]

Or not. What a comeback by the Leafs

I still fully expect the Leafs to drop three in a row. It’s the Leafs way.

[Shoxthemonkey 1992]

Just now, C-Man said:

I still fully expect the Leafs to drop three in a row. It’s the Leafs way.

It wouldn't surprise me either.

[Longhorn_Fan68 34101]

wow, what a shitty hit by Makar.

[Vertuzzi 1426]

2-0 Kraken 

[shadow_operative2.0 16253]

Squid PP goal, 2-0. 

[Vertuzzi 1426]

2 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

wow, what a shitty hit by Makar.

McCann must have done something earlier because that was a “fuck you im the Conne Smythe winner” hit. 

[shadow_operative2.0 16253]

This Squid teal is fucking sweet. 

[Beau Vine 55856]

About $200 to sit here and this place is insane.

[Beau Vine 55856]

30 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

wow, what a shitty hit by Makar.

Did the announcers say anything about why the ref standing right next to it, looking at right at it, needed a conference to call a penalty?

[shadow_operative2.0 16253]

Vegas up 2-1, 6 left in 2nd. 

[shadow_operative2.0 16253]

3-1 with a quickness. 

[shadow_operative2.0 16253]

Avs get one back. 

[shadow_operative2.0 16253]

Oops, tied end of 2. 

[Chewbacca 7828]

I wish the Avs would realize the first period counts. Holy shit, they start slow.

[shadow_operative2.0 16253]

Jets down 1 with 6 to play. 

[Beau Vine 55856]

What did they call on that?

[shadow_operative2.0 16253]

On the no-goal? Puck was covered up before it trickled in during the scrum. 

[shadow_operative2.0 16253]

Free hockey. 

[Beau Vine 55856]

7 minutes ago, shadow_operative2.0 said:

On the no-goal? Puck was covered up before it trickled in during the scrum. 

Then why did they review it?

[Chewbacca 7828]

Then why did they review it?

To make sure.

[shadow_operative2.0 16253]

Squids win, party! 

[C-Man 27777]

Fuck the Avs! 2-2

[Beau Vine 55856]

That is waaay up high on the list of most fun I've ever had.

Completely exhausted and completely wired.

Edited April 25, 2023 by Beau Vine

[flatdawgs 1338]

46 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

That is waaay up high on the list of most fun I've ever had.

Completely exhausted and completely wired.

My seats are to the left of where you were, and higher (there's not a bad seat in the place; I've been about as far up in the corner as you can get and the seats were still great). That was by far the best crowd I've seen in the Squids' very short history. Saturday was a fun crowd but you got the impression half of 'em had never been to a hockey game and just wanted to see history. Tonight's crowd knew hockey.

[Voldemort86 2259]

Could be a fun weekend coming up with so many series sitting at 2-2 right now.

[Longboard Horn 41350]

Sharing this because Toronto won. Now, what happened last time they lead a series 3-1 in the first round? Get ready for the collapse!

[C-Man 27777]

Sharing this because Toronto won. Now, what happened last time they lead a series 3-1 in the first round? Get ready for the collapse!

Oh, I’m fully expecting the collapse, especially since it’s Tampa. I’ve been a Toronto “fan” since the 1990’s. I loved Doug Gilmour and the all-blue uniforms. The best in sport IMO. The Leafs became my Eastern Conference team while I cheered for the Stars in the West and overall. The Leafs had some epic playoff wars back in the Mats Sundin/early ‘00s but are simply cursed these days.

Glad to see them competitive again because I’d basically stopped paying attention for a decade or more. Hope they can pull it off but I don’t think they will. Still, down 4-1 with 10 mins left and coming back to win 5-4 in OT is damn impressive.

[C-Man 27777]

What are everybody’s thoughts on the Makar hit on McCann last night? I thought it was dirty but I don’t see how he gets a suspension if Dumba didn’t either. Personally, a one-game TO for both would be appropriate.

[Vertuzzi 1426]

4 minutes ago, C-Man said:

What are everybody’s thoughts on the Makar hit on McCann last night? I thought it was dirty but I don’t see how he gets a suspension if Dumba didn’t either. Personally, a one-game TO for both would be appropriate.

It was a greasy hit but that’s playoff hockey.

[C-Man 27777]

9 minutes ago, Vertuzzi said:

It was a greasy hit but that’s playoff hockey.

Personally, I don't like it when stars like McCann and Pavelski are knocked out of series because of hits like this. As I said in the Stars thread, you can still have incredible and intense playoff hockey and eliminate shit like that from the sport.

I will add that both hits were against the rules AND resulted in a serious injury for an opponent -- that should carry some additional punishment for the transgressor.

Edited April 25, 2023 by C-Man

[Vertuzzi 1426]

54 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Personally, I don't like it when stars like McCann and Pavelski are knocked out of series because of hits like this. As I said in the Stars thread, you can still have incredible and intense playoff hockey and eliminate shit like that from the sport.

I will add that both hits were against the rules AND resulted in a serious injury for an opponent -- that should carry some additional punishment for the transgressor.

Hits like that are what separate regular season hockey from playoff hockey. That’s why it’s so important to have a few pricks on the team that aren’t afraid to play dirty in the postseason. Just didn’t expect that to be Makar. I think he probably doesn’t get suspended but it wouldn’t shock me if he got a game. Seattle fans thinking he should get 3-4 games are ridiculous. 

[Skipper 6411]

I didn't see it live so didn't hear the analysis but put me in the group that doesn't understand why that isn't a 5 min major + suspension in hockey.  Was way late and up to the head.  "Playoff Hockey" or not, you would think the NHL would care about (i) player safety/head injuries and (ii) actually having league stars participate in the playoffs. 

[C-Man 27777]

I didn't see it live so didn't hear the analysis but put me in the group that doesn't understand why that isn't a 5 min major + suspension in hockey.  Was way late and up to the head.  "Playoff Hockey" or not, you would think the NHL would care about (i) player safety/head injuries and (ii) actually having league stars participate in the playoffs. 

Couldn’t have said it better, Skip.

I’m all for big/legal hits. The cheap shit certainly ratchets up the hate factor in a series but apparently we are incentivizing attempts to remove an opponent’s best players from a series.

[Chewbacca 7828]

What are everybody’s thoughts on the Makar hit on McCann last night? I thought it was dirty but I don’t see how he gets a suspension if Dumba didn’t either. Personally, a one-game TO for both would be appropriate.

It was late, but the whistle hadn't blown. He thought McCann was going to get the puck in the corner. Makar is not a dirty player and I don't see how you can suspend him for that.

[Vertuzzi 1426]

14 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Couldn’t have said it better, Skip.

I’m all for big/legal hits. The cheap shit certainly ratchets up the hate factor in a series but apparently we are incentivizing attempts to remove an opponent’s best players from a series.

Makar’s argument will be that he thought the puck was still in play in the corner, where the hit was delivered. Another interesting point is that nobody on Seattle made Makar answer for the hit. If they really thought it was that dirty then someone would have made him drop the gloves, but that didn’t happen. It was certainly a greasy hit and unfortunately resulted in an injury, but not dirty enough for Seattle to do anything about it. 

[Chewbacca 7828]

I didn't see it live so didn't hear the analysis but put me in the group that doesn't understand why that isn't a 5 min major + suspension in hockey.  Was way late and up to the head.  "Playoff Hockey" or not, you would think the NHL would care about (i) player safety/head injuries and (ii) actually having league stars participate in the playoffs. 

It was not a hit to the head.

[Skipper 6411]

23 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

47 minutes ago, Skipper said:

I didn't see it live so didn't hear the analysis but put me in the group that doesn't understand why that isn't a 5 min major + suspension in hockey.  Was way late and up to the head.  "Playoff Hockey" or not, you would think the NHL would care about (i) player safety/head injuries and (ii) actually having league stars participate in the playoffs. 

It was not a hit to the head.

He launched straight up right under his chin into the boards.  That's a hit to the head in my book.

[Chewbacca 7828]

He launched straight up right under his chin into the boards.  That's a hit to the head in my book.

He hit him in the shoulder and McCann wasn't ready for the hit. You're seeing things that aren't there. Makar is not a dirty player. I think you just hate the Avs.

[Skipper 6411]

2 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

25 minutes ago, Skipper said:

He launched straight up right under his chin into the boards.  That's a hit to the head in my book.

He hit him in the shoulder and McCann wasn't ready for the hit. You're seeing things that aren't there. Makar is not a dirty player. I think you just hate the Avs.

He launched straight up.  The outcome was worse because McCann wasn't ready for it but the hit was the hit.   You are an Avs fan dude.  Hardly objective.  I don't give a shit about this series other than hoping it at least went 6 games.  If the Avs and Stars meet next round then I'll hate the Avs.  I'm indifferent towards them as of now outside of enjoying watching McKinnon play 

[Skipper 6411]

Went and searched out some commentary on this during lunch.   Looks like it's not just me and C-Man that think the refs botched the review.

https://theathletic.com/4448373/2023/04/25/cale-makar-nhl-playoffs-penalty/

[Chewbacca 7828]

34 minutes ago, Skipper said:

He launched straight up.  The outcome was worse because McCann wasn't ready for it but the hit was the hit.   You are an Avs fan dude.  Hardly objective.  I don't give a shit about this series other than hoping it at least went 6 games.  If the Avs and Stars meet next round then I'll hate the Avs.  I'm indifferent towards them as of now outside of enjoying watching McKinnon play 

You're awfully wound up for someone who doesn't give a shit.

I don't think he deserves a suspension, but he might get a game.  We'll find out today.

[Longhorn_Fan68 34101]

4 hours ago, C-Man said:

What are everybody’s thoughts on the Makar hit on McCann last night? I thought it was dirty but I don’t see how he gets a suspension if Dumba didn’t either. Personally, a one-game TO for both would be appropriate.

It was late and dirty, whistle or not. The puck was nowhere near them. I don't care what Makar's reputation or intent was, it was a dumb play and he should sit a game for it. Hell, I'm of the opinion that if you hit someone dirty and they have to sit  out as long as they do. That would change some attitudes.

16 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

You're awfully wound up for someone who doesn't give a shit.

I don't think he deserves a suspension, but he might get a game.  We'll find out today.

Who's getting riled up? I don't think it's C-Man. In my experience he never gets riled. I think you're reading more into his comments than is warranted. But hell, what do I know, it's just the internet.

Edited April 25, 2023 by Longhorn_Fan68

[Chewbacca 7828]

1 minute ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

It was late and dirty, whistle or not. The puck was nowhere near them. I don't care what Makar's reputation or intent was, it was a dumb play and he should sit a game for it. Hell, I'm of the opinion that if you hit someone dirty and they have to sit  out as long as they do. That would change some attitudes.

Who's getting riled up? I don't think it's C-Man. In my experience he never gets riled. I think you're reading more into his comments than is warranted. But hell, what do I know, it's just the internet.

Skipper is getting riled up for someone who professes to not care.

[Longhorn_Fan68 34101]

2 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

Skipper is getting riled up for someone who professes to not care.

oops, muh bad. I misread

[Skipper 6411]

14 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

Skipper is getting riled up for someone who professes to not care.

How am I getting "riled up"?  We are discussing what is apparently a gray area hit (2nd one in the playoffs so far that resulted in an injury) and I'm stating my opinion.   I can assure you my blood pressure isn't rising.  You are just mad because nobody agrees with your position.   It's a message board.  Who cares.

[wood 11763]

4 hours ago, C-Man said:

Personally, I don't like it when stars like McCann and Pavelski are knocked out of series because of hits like this. As I said in the Stars thread, you can still have incredible and intense playoff hockey and eliminate shit like that from the sport.

I will add that both hits were against the rules AND resulted in a serious injury for an opponent -- that should carry some additional punishment for the transgressor.

Yeah it was dirty af, esp with the puck already gone out of play. No way anyone is thinking they're about to be hit there. Nor should they. They both knew that puck was gone. 

[wood 11763]

2 hours ago, C-Man said:

Couldn’t have said it better, Skip.

I’m all for big/legal hits. The cheap shit certainly ratchets up the hate factor in a series but apparently we are incentivizing attempts to remove an opponent’s best players from a series.

That's exactly what's going on.

[wood 11763]

2 hours ago, Chewbacca said:

4 hours ago, C-Man said:

 

It was late, but the whistle hadn't blown. He thought McCann was going to get the puck in the corner. Makar is not a dirty player and I don't see how you can suspend him for that.

There is zero chance he thought that. The puck was nowhere in sight, and McCann was standing straight up, cruising into the corner after the puck had obviously gone out of play. He wasn't in a posture even remotley looking like he was skating after anything. The play was over. Everyone knew it, unless you think Makar is a regard.

Edited April 25, 2023 by wood