Things are not going to end well for gun shop employee

[GoPokes83 2240]

From last summer. Video released of gun shop employee chasing robber out of store and shooting him as he’s running away.

 

https://abc13.com/store-employee-shoots-unarmed-man-in-the-back-video-shows/13145497/

[Neonmoon 38129]

Gun owners are pussies 

[SydneyCarton 48106]

3 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Gun owners are pussies 

Pretty sure in the old west shooting a man in the back would get you hung. Pretty sure that guy has spent the last year telling this story to his buddies and getting slapped on the back. 

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4976]

So the article conveniently leaves out the bit in Texas law where it is legal to use deadly force to protect property?

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Sec. 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property:

(1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and

(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:

(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or

(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and

(3) he reasonably believes that:

(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or

(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.

I mean, regardless of whether or not you agree with the law, it is relevant.

[YGIFS 19450]

I'm looking at (2)(B), the victim was 'fleeing immediately after committing theft during the nighttime'.  But it looked like broad daylight in the video.  

Also, why did a gun store have so much cash on hand?  I thought only criminals and thugs bought guns in cash?  

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4976]

Theft is the only one on the list that needs to be occurring during the nighttime for it to be legal to use deadly force to prevent them from fleeing, especially when read in context with 2(A) where the punctuation makes it clear.

[Cheeseweasel 26438]

Someone fucked around and found out. 

[UTGrad98 2273]

I'm sorry. Don't rob a fucking store then. 

[Cheeseweasel 26438]

18 minutes ago, UTGrad98 said:

I'm sorry. Don't rob a fucking store then. 

The dildo of consequences rarely uses lube.

[Steel Shank 9425]

If I were making a list of places to rob, I don't think I'd have 'gun store' near the top.

But that's just me.

[dieucla98 2942]

19 minutes ago, UTGrad98 said:

I'm sorry. Don't rob a fucking store then. 

Thieves are assholes and I hold ones stealing from a gun store particularly low. But death isn't the punishment for stealing, much less at the hands of random joe blow civilian.

[UTGrad98 2273]

10 minutes ago, dieucla98 said:

Thieves are assholes and I hold ones stealing from a gun store particularly low. But death isn't the punishment for stealing, much less at the hands of random joe blow civilian.

This is a slippery slope and not like the other 2 horrible acts we have threads on currently.  This isnt ringing a doorbell by mistake or pulling into a wrong driveway. The man robbed a gun store. What was said beforehand to the employee? What did the man have with him when he did it? The title of the article and the article itself was written with an agenda. Frankly that article sucked. 

[YGIFS 19450]

It also doesn't make it clear whether the man robbed the place initially with a gun of his own.  It seems to be clear he took some cash, fled, and was shot in the back and found unarmed.  But what transpired inside?  

Do most gun shops have CCTV cameras inside?  It certainly appears the strip center has them.

[Gatorubet 30238]

2 minutes ago, UTGrad98 said:

This is a slippery slope and not like the other 2 horrible acts we have threads on currently.  This isnt ringing a doorbell by mistake or pulling into a wrong driveway. The man robbed a gun store. What was said beforehand to the employee? What did the man have with him when he did it? The title of the article and the article itself was written with an agenda. Frankly that article sucked. 

What shucks is people defending shooting a fleeing man in the back for theft - and deciding you are judge and jury and you get to unilaterally impose capital punishment for that theft.

Maybe the agenda is this simple: don’t shoot people in the back when they are fleeing.

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4976]

3 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

What shucks is people defending shooting a fleeing man in the back for theft - and deciding you are judge and jury and you get to unilaterally impose capital punishment for that theft.

Maybe the agenda is this simple: don’t shoot people in the back when they are fleeing.

Who has said what he did was right? It's been pointed out it may have been legal, and it's been said that the guy made a pretty dumb choice and found out.

[UTGrad98 2273]

5 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

What shucks is people defending shooting a fleeing man in the back for theft - and deciding you are judge and jury and you get to unilaterally impose capital punishment for that theft.

Maybe the agenda is this simple: don’t shoot people in the back when they are fleeing.

Is it that simple if the guy said he was coming back with a gun or with others? Because that shit happens too. 

[dieucla98 2942]

18 minutes ago, UTGrad98 said:

This is a slippery slope and not like the other 2 horrible acts we have threads on currently.  This isnt ringing a doorbell by mistake or pulling into a wrong driveway. The man robbed a gun store. What was said beforehand to the employee? What did the man have with him when he did it? The title of the article and the article itself was written with an agenda. Frankly that article sucked. 

 

7 minutes ago, UTGrad98 said:

Is it that simple if the guy said he was coming back with a gun or with others? Because that shit happens too. 

You're asking a lot of good questions we don't know the answer to which makes it harder for me to understand why the default reaction is to defend the use of a gun vs letting police and the justice system to their job.

[Fuck Tim Beck 3816]

The gun shop employee should have been a cop. Then he'd have nothing to worry about. 

[Brian Fantana 6687]

25 minutes ago, UTGrad98 said:

This is a slippery slope and not like the other 2 horrible acts we have threads on currently.  This isnt ringing a doorbell by mistake or pulling into a wrong driveway. The man robbed a gun store. What was said beforehand to the employee? What did the man have with him when he did it? The title of the article and the article itself was written with an agenda. Frankly that article sucked. 

I'm not sure you understand what slippery slope means.

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

19 minutes ago, UTGrad98 said:

Is it that simple if the guy said he was coming back with a gun or with others? Because that shit happens too. 

Robbers come back to the place they just fled knowing the cops are on their way?

what is it with you people that just really, really want to kill people?

[GoPokes83 2240]

This is a slippery slope and not like the other 2 horrible acts we have threads on currently.  This isnt ringing a doorbell by mistake or pulling into a wrong driveway. The man robbed a gun store. What was said beforehand to the employee? What did the man have with him when he did it? The title of the article and the article itself was written with an agenda. Frankly that article sucked. 

IIRC he had a “sharp object “ in his hand. Looking at the video it doesn’t look like he said anything to the shooter or anyone else. Register was unattended, he walks up opens it takes cash and is leaving before anyone notices.

[Pato del Muerto 52498]

56 minutes ago, Fuck Tim Beck said:

The gun shop employee should have been a cop. Then he'd have nothing to worry about. 

And he would have probably missed. 

[GoPokes83 2240]

Gun owners are pussies 

I have a few weapons, come at me bro!! Gun owners aren’t inherently pussies, but too many pussies are gun owners. Big difference

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4976]

6 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

And he would have probably missed. 

And hit a dog or random bystander.

[tbone_ 14123]

I’m pretty damn far from a right winger. But if you walk into a place and just grab cash and walk out, fuck you. I hope you get shot.

I get that the law doesn’t allow this but still fuck you. I hope you get shot.

[huge 3793]

3 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

Gun owners are pussies 

I may be a pussy, but that isn't why and you know it.

[Cheeseweasel 26438]

1 hour ago, Gatorubet said:

Maybe the agenda is this simple: don’t shoot people in the back when they are fleeing.

Go one step upstream and you'll have your problem solved.

[mdmost 43001]

Who robs a gun shop and thinks getting shot might not be a viable result of your actions?

[Hermanator 7050]

Jaaaaayzus Criiiiiiiiiiiiist do none of you fucks click the link and then just comment randomly like jagoffs about shit you didn't see?

1 hour ago, YGIFS said:

It also doesn't make it clear whether the man robbed the place initially with a gun of his own.  It seems to be clear he took some cash, fled, and was shot in the back and found unarmed.  But what transpired inside?  

Do most gun shops have CCTV cameras inside?  It certainly appears the strip center has them.

It shows video from the inside and outside. Black dude walks in, walks directly to register that is unmanned, grabs cash out of it and runs for the door. Lady and gun dude run after him and gun dude unloads as he's hitting the door and running out. 

This is a slippery slope. You can't have people shooting people for simple theft but the cops have shown they aren't putting much work into solving simple theft cases so people are emboldened to do this shit over and over with low threat from police. I honestly don't know what's right here. 

Edited April 18, 2023 by Hermanator

[UnivTex34 1763]

1 minute ago, Hermanator said:

Jaaaaayzus Criiiiiiiiiiiiist do none of you fucks click the link and just comment randomly like jagoffs about shit you didn't see.

It wasn't a gun store. It was a Carter's Country convenience store. 

It shows video from the inside and outside. Black dude walks in, walks directly to register that is unmanned, grabs cash out of it and runs for the door. Lady and gun dude run after him and gun dude unloads as he's hitting the door and running out. 

This is a slippery slope. You can't have people shooting people for simple theft but the cops have shown they aren't putting much work into solving simple theft cases so people are emboldened to do this shit over and over with low threat from police. I honestly don't know what's right here. 

Well this is pretty rich.

https://www.carterscountry.com

 

[Hermanator 7050]

Got damnit I thought i edited it quick enough. The article made it sound like a regular convenience store so I looked it up right after posting. Houston is a weird place

[Handcruser 2805]

Carters country is a nice store

[Handcruser 2805]

Robbers come back to the place they just fled knowing the cops are on their way?
what is it with you people that just really, really want to kill people?

It’s basically happened to us.

So yes, the stupid is real.

I haven’t watched the video but shooting someone in the back is usually not an option.

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

31 minutes ago, Cheeseweasel said:

Go one step upstream and you'll have your problem solved.

Would you try to kill someone running away from you?

[UnivTex34 1763]

6 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

Got damnit I thought i edited it quick enough. The article made it sound like a regular convenience store so I looked it up right after posting. Houston is a weird place

[Steel Shank 9425]

Since they have scopes and stuff, I bet the gun store will be able to manage the optics of the situation.

['stache 21815]

One doesn't need to sympathize with the robber to also be mad at the shooter. Like someone said, death isn't the proper punishment for robbery, especially when dealt by a dumbass pussy gun worshiping jackass. These laws that place property above life are asinine, and I'm sure most of them think go to church regularly and think it's exactly what Jesus would want, death for theft. This isn't Riyadh. 

[Cheeseweasel 26438]

4 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

Would you try to kill someone running away from you?

Depends on what they did. 

[Brothahorn 10087]

Not cool with shooting the dude in the back. And I doubt he had time to say anything significant since he was in and out so fast. This should at least go before a grand jury. But fuck the thief, don't steal from a gun store.

And that was just some shitty ass security by gun store employees who should fucking know better. They should all be fired.

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

9 minutes ago, Cheeseweasel said:

Depends on what they did. 

stole money from a cash register...

[Cheeseweasel 26438]

2 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

stole money from a cash register...

Did he insult me on the way out the door?

[Neonmoon 38129]

1 hour ago, GoPokes83 said:

I have a few weapons, come at me bro!! Gun owners aren’t inherently pussies, but too many pussies are gun owners. Big difference

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

5 minutes ago, Cheeseweasel said:

Did he insult me on the way out the door?

sure. pretend he called you a bitchmade pussy with a room temp IQ.

[irishtexan 11519]

Pretty sure things end just find for said gun shop employee. Especially now that we have an activist governor who will just pardon him if things don't work out the way the "good guys with guns" crowd want.

[Captainant 27668]

18 minutes ago, Brothahorn said:

And that was just some shitty ass security by gun store employees who should fucking know better. They should all be fired.

Almost like they wanted a chance to shoot a motherfucker or something. The fact that they just let him walk in and take stuff out of the cash register, and then they shot him in the back, does not look unlike a honeypot

[Cheeseweasel 26438]

6 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

sure. pretend he called you a bitchmade pussy with a room temp IQ.

I wouldn't shoot him.

Obviously he mistook me for you and has issues that should be addressed.

[YGIFS 19450]

26 minutes ago, Cheeseweasel said:

Depends on what they did. 

Fair point.  If I’m armed and walk up and find somebody beating my kid or raping my wife, and he takes off. Yeah, I’d probably shoot him in the back. 
 

if somebody used some foul language and took $400 of my boss’ money, I probably don’t shoot him in the back just because I don’t want that on my conscience, I don’t to face legal trouble, and I don’t want some family memBer or his theft crew member avenging his death on me or mine.  

 

 

[83Horn 1641]

4 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

People afraid of gun owners are pussies

FIFY.  Generalized name calling is easy.  That being said, back before I retired, I had to qualify to carry firearms, and the main point of emphasis in the training, in addition to the basic firearms safety rules regarding treating all firearms as if they are loaded, keeping firearm pointed in a safe direction, keeping finger off the trigger until ready to fire, etc., was that you do NOT use lethal force unless you believe your life, or the life of someone around you, is in IMMINENT danger; "imminent" being the key word.  That means you do not shoot someone through your front door because they rang your doorbell in the middle of the night, you do not shoot someone in a car that is in the process of turning around in your driveway, and you do not shoot someone who is running away from you after stealing some cash from your store.  If the thief was armed, it might be a different story.

[Cheeseweasel 26438]

1 minute ago, YGIFS said:

Fair point.  If I’m armed and walk up and find somebody beating my kid or raping my wife, and he takes off. Yeah, I’d probably shoot him in the back. 
 

if somebody used some foul language and took $400 of my boss’ money, I probably don’t shoot him in the back just because I don’t want that on my conscience, I don’t to face legal trouble, and I don’t want some family memBer or his theft crew member avenging his death on me or mine.  

[tbone_ 14123]

Fair point.  If I’m armed and walk up and find somebody beating my kid or raping my wife, and he takes off. Yeah, I’d probably shoot him in the back. 
 
if somebody used some foul language and took $400 of my boss’ money, I probably don’t shoot him in the back just because I don’t want that on my conscience, I don’t to face legal trouble, and I don’t want some family memBer or his theft crew member avenging his death on me or mine.  

 
 

I agree with all of this.

But I also have no problem with the motherfucker getting shot. I get that’s not popular. Fuck you. Don’t steal shit.