2020 Democratic Nominee

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

Buttigieg isn’t going to get enough exposure and money to be a contender but I do think this run will give him enough street cred to be a legit contender for Senator or Governor down the road.

Edited February 3, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[Js1 85,565]

7 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Buttigieg isn’t going to get enough exposure and money to be a contender but I do think this run will give him enough street cred to be a legit contender for Senator or Governor down the road.

"Legit" contender in a getting redder by the cycle state = fodder.

[Hank Kingsley 21,049]

If he gets the exposure, the money will come.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

56 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

If he gets the exposure, the money will come.

True. Anything can happen and it’s still early but I think it’s realistic to say the odds are stacked against him.  

The thing about Buttigieg is no one knew who he was before entering the race.  That’s a tough hill to climb when your competition is Bernie, Biden, Beto, Warren, Gillibrand, and Harris.

They have all done a good job of putting themselves in the national spotlight before declaring a 2020 run.

 

Edited February 3, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[David Dennison 18,946]

17 hours ago, Fozzz said:

They will probably try the same shit on anyone who tacks to far to the left on foreign policy. This is slimy gatekeeping shit. 

I wonder what the world will be like when we don't have the final say.

[Message Board User 12,396]

 

[atomheartbevo 89,788]

On 2/2/2019 at 6:30 PM, JimmyJames said:

Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania.

And Arizona.  

Plus, Florida is firmly in play, even before the shutdown fucked over tens of thousand of federal employees there (Coast Guard, NASA, DHS, etc. have a large presence).      The shutdown should move Florida firmly to the Dems.  And Trump is making clear he’ll go the shutdown route again, as much of a dumbass move as that was   

None of the states Hillary won are in danger of flipping to Trump.  It’s not about who can beat Trump because outside of probably Bernie, the others in the top four will have no problem winning.  It’s about who’s getting the nomination.  

[Fozzz 152]

Even AOC wouldn't have the balls to say something this direct.

 

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

Yes, real political courage there from Tulsi saying the most politically correct thing to say.

[Fozzz 152]

1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Yes, real political courage there from Tulsi saying the most politically correct thing to say.

No, it's really not.  For instance, look at this weak bullshit from AOC when asked to stake a position.  Tulsi's wont of speaking against empire is what gets her smeared by the press.

 

 

[Bama Chick 28,596]

Anyone else catch Joe Lieberman mealy-mouthing his “Democrats need to be more centrist to have a broader appeal and both sides are to blame for the state of politics today” message?

Made me want to throw my mascara at the TV while I was getting ready. But I didn’t because that shit is expensive and he’s not worth it.

Can someone lock him in a closet until November 6, 2020?

[Biff Tannen 45,728]

Spoke to a family member this weekend who voted for the dotard, but has since expressed his remorse.  He is very smart and works hard so he doesn't really have the time to be super invested in day to day politics.  However, we started talking about Dem nominees and he completely backtracked and said he couldn't vote for several of the people that have announced so far because they were too far left.  

This drove home the point for me that there are tons of Rs who say they hate dotus, but when faced with actually voting for a D at the ballot box, they will pull that lever for dotus again.  It's fucking infuriating.  Biden might be the only one who can get them to flip.

[bad_teammate 13,224]

1 hour ago, Bama Chick said:

Anyone else catch Joe Lieberman mealy-mouthing his “Democrats need to be more centrist to have a broader appeal and both sides are to blame for the state of politics today” message?

Made me want to throw my mascara at the TV while I was getting ready. But I didn’t because that shit is expensive and he’s not worth it.

Can someone lock him in a closet until November 6, 2020?

It's bad for the world that he's still alive.

[bad_teammate 13,224]

1 minute ago, Biff Tannen said:

Spoke to a family member this weekend who voted for the dotard, but has since expressed his remorse.  He is very smart and works hard so he doesn't really have the time to be super invested in day to day politics.  However, we started talking about Dem nominees and he completely backtracked and said he couldn't vote for several of the people that have announced so far because they were too far left.  

 This drove home the point for me that there are tons of Rs who say they hate dotus, but when faced with actually voting for a D at the ballot box, they will pull that lever for dotus again.  It's fucking infuriating.  Biden might be the only one who can get them to flip.

 

[Hank Kingsley 21,049]

C'mon, Fozz.

Gabbard is making a rehearsed and public statement while AOC is being approached with the question out of nowhere. 

 

[bad_teammate 13,224]

1 minute ago, Hank Kingsley said:

C'mon, Fozz.

Gabbard is making a rehearsed and public statement while AOC is being approached with the question out of nowhere. 

I'm a Fozz fan, but that's... I don't understand what the problem is with AOC saying they're working on something when she's obviously busy. If it's a pattern of avoidance then that's a problem, but come on.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

7 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

because they were too far left. 

I always try to challenge this when I hear it.

I immediately ask “What makes them too far left?” 

[Biff Tannen 45,728]

4 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I always try to challenge this when I hear it.

I immediately ask “What makes them too far left?” 

The answer is always SOCIALISM!!!11

[bad_teammate 13,224]

8 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I always try to challenge this when I hear it.

I immediately ask “What makes them too far left?” 

If Trump voters could be calmly reasoned with they wouldn't have voted for Trump.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

5 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

The answer is always SOCIALISM!!!11

Yeah, you usually have to keep asking questions.  

[Cheeseweasel 26,438]

1 hour ago, Bama Chick said:

Anyone else catch Joe Lieberman mealy-mouthing his “Democrats need to be more centrist to have a broader appeal and both sides are to blame for the state of politics today” message?

Made me want to throw my mascara at the TV while I was getting ready. But I didn’t because that shit is expensive and he’s not worth it.

Can someone lock him in a closet until November 6, 2020?

Might not be popular among the hard core base, but Joe's not wrong. To win a national election, his response is pragmatic. In order to get policies enacted, you have to win elections. Joe knows the rules.

[Biff Tannen 45,728]

6 minutes ago, OatmealRaisinCookie said:

This is Exhibit A of evidence in the case of The United States of America vs Why Howard Schultz Should Be An Awesome Candidate (but democrats like to lose).

If he ran as a Dem, sure.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

Trump kinda proved playing to the middle doesn't work. 

[Js1 85,565]

LOL it's always the Democrats who have to "tack to the center to get elected" or "show their math to explain how their policies would be paid for."

The Republicans don't have to do JACK SHIT apparently.

Tack far right and spout fake news/stats? Chuck Todd just nods along.
"Tax cuts will pay for themselves." Media just nods and moves on.

Edited February 4, 2019 by Js1

[bad_teammate 13,224]

25 minutes ago, Cheeseweasel said:

Might not be popular among the hard core base, but Joe's not wrong. To win a national election, his response is pragmatic. In order to get policies enacted, you have to win elections. Joe knows the rules.

Joe Liberman, king of winning elections LOL

[Cheeseweasel 26,438]

12 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Trump kinda proved playing to the middle doesn't work. 

You think Hillary played the middle? 

"We're going to put a lot of coal companies and coal miners out of business"

“You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the 'basket of deplorables'. Right?” 

[elfenix 34,332]

2 hours ago, Fozzz said:

Even AOC wouldn't have the balls to say something this direct.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 4, 2019 by elfenix

[Bozo_Casanova 26,540]

 

There is literally no European country that does not have a large private heath insurance sector.

[Js1 85,565]

8 minutes ago, Cheeseweasel said:

You think Hillary played the middle? 

"We're going to put a lot of coal companies and coal miners out of business"

“You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the 'basket of deplorables'. Right?” 

Coal is stupid. 

And she was wrong - it's way more than half. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

10 minutes ago, Cheeseweasel said:

You think Hillary played the middle? 

She played to the middle more than anyone I've ever seen but when you have Bernie on one side and Trump on the other it's almost impossible not to. 

[Cheeseweasel 26,438]

3 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Coal is stupid. 

And she was wrong - it's way more than half. 

Not saying I disagree with her sentiment, but that's not how you win elections in the US.

[Cheeseweasel 26,438]

1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

She played to the middle more than anyone I've ever seen but when you have Bernie on one side and Trump on the other it's almost impossible not to. 

Good point, however, she did a shitty job of playing.

[Bozo_Casanova 26,540]

May she should have played in Wisconsin or Pennsylvania, too. Are they part of the middle?

[Pescado_Rojo 19,428]

14 minutes ago, elfenix said:

 

 

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

Conservatives: “Bernie would have beaten Trump”

Also conservatives: “Democrats should play to the center.”

[Js1 85,565]

20 minutes ago, Cheeseweasel said:

Not saying I disagree with her sentiment, but that's not how you win elections in the US.

No apparently it's building a 50 foot high wall, Muslim ban, Mexicans are criminals and rapists.

Playing to the center, you see.

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

It’s like Obama was so successful because he campaigned on a centrist agenda.  

“Yes we can” was all about appeasing everyone.

/sarcasm 

Edited February 4, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[Cheeseweasel 26,438]

8 minutes ago, Js1 said:

No apparently it's building a 50 foot high wall, Muslim ban, Mexicans are criminals and rapists.

Playing to the center, you see.

 

Or, perhaps, these ideas are more centrist than people are willing to admit.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

2 minutes ago, Cheeseweasel said:

Or, perhaps, these ideas are more centrist than people are willing to admit.

No evidence to support this but plenty of evidence to indicate liberal policy ideas are very popular 

[Js1 85,565]

Just now, Hugo Stiglitz said:

No evidence to support this but plenty of evidence to indicate liberal policy ideas are very popular 

The wall, Muslim ban = sub-40% support

Universal healthcare, free college, taxing the rich = 60+% support

LiBeRaLs MuSt MoDeRaTe

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

 

[Bozo_Casanova 26,540]

Conservatives: “Bernie would have beaten Trump”

Also conservatives: “Democrats should play to the center.”

Bernie Sanders would have lost to Trump. There wasn’t a good candidate in the field, in part because the Clinton faction spent 6 years clearing the way.

[Cheeseweasel 26,438]

8 minutes ago, Js1 said:

The wall, Muslim ban = sub-40% support

Universal healthcare, free college, taxing the rich = 60+% support

LiBeRaLs MuSt MoDeRaTe

Good luck with all that.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

12 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Bernie Sanders would have lost to Trump.

Maybe but it’s impossible to make that determination because you can’t calculate the Russian interference in a Bernie vs Trump race.

No Wikileaks and no Comey influence in Bernie vs Trump race.

Russia may have even flipped to Bernie because he’s more predictable than Trump.  They could have released the pee tape or whatever kompromat they have on Trump.

Who am I kidding, they still would have supported Trump.

Edited February 4, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

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32 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

37% want less immigration, a massive drop. Lulz.  That's some 56k D chess going on.

[Biff Tannen 45,728]

I'm torn on how I want the Ds to run.  My head says lean center to try and get some of the Rs, like the family member I mentioned earlier, but then I worry that they are too far gone already and fuck em, so let's go forward with the progressive ideas and leave them behind.  

[GSU&UT 1,798]

10 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

I'm torn on how I want the Ds to run.  My head says lean center to try and get some of the Rs, like the family member I mentioned earlier, but then I worry that they are too far gone already and fuck em, so let's go forward with the progressive ideas and leave them behind.  

Honestly those people are going to claim any Democratic candidate are going to be too liberal because the party is thankfully getting pulled to the left. If he is still on the fence at this point, he's too far gone.

[Js1 85,565]

1 minute ago, GSU&UT said:

Honestly those people are going to claim any Democratic candidate are going to be too liberal because the party is thankfully getting pulled to the left. If he is still on the fence at this point, he's too far gone.

Yup!  Why should we pick a candidate to cater to unhappy Republicans? They have 4% Howard Schultz!

[6th Street 6,498]

Dem candidate will need to simplify the message rather than throw out fringe ideas like 70% tax on > $10M of wealth. 

Focus on job creation, higher wages, and national security. 

[bad_teammate 13,224]

This is the proper response to anyone who voted for anyone other than Hillary Clinton in the 2016 general when that person talks about what the Dems should do in 2020: