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6 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Makes me like him more.  God forbid we elect someone that doesn’t take his oath seriously. 

Which oath is that? The one to defend the constitution or some other imaginary one where you are suppose to cover for gross mass violations of the constitution because our military intelligence industrial complex finds it convenient. 

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Hugo Stiglitz

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5 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

See, I don’t really think Beto has a message yet

His talent is messaging though. His ability to connect and resonate on an emotional level (see also Obama).

If I was advising Beto, I’d push for him to take the immigration debate head on.  Make it his cornerstone campaign issue.

There’s so much fertile ground to juxtapose himself from the Republicans who are all about walls and kids in cages. 

So much low hanging fruit no democrat is really capitalizing on.

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8 minutes ago, GSU&UT said:

Realllly stretching on that one.

He's taking a harder line than Obama on prosecuting leakers, and Obama's admin was one of the most draconian admins in some time regarding whistleblowers.  James Risen said the Obama admin was the "greatest enemy to press freedom in a generation."

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5 hours ago, 406W30th said:

Biden will be labeled as the guy who can "win the moderates", only to go on and get zero votes from the #NeverTrump Republicans while failing to turn out anyone under 65.

 

Targeting the republicans is hopeless, never trump or not. It’s the independents you have to target. If the dems had nominated Bernie instead of hillary then the independents in Michigan Wisconsin and Pennsylvania would have given bernie and the dems the presidency.

Oh well.

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5 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

He's taking a harder line than Obama on prosecuting leakers, and Obama's admin was one of the most draconian admins in some time regarding whistleblowers.  James Risen said the Obama admin was the "greatest enemy to press freedom in a generation."

Yeah but what kind of mustard does he eat. 

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1 hour ago, SubliminalHorn said:

On the way back from Marfa yesterday, we listened to a Pod Save America interview with Buttigieg. He was very impressive. He sounds like he has actually thought hard about a variety of issues. I feel this is where he’ll have an advantage over Beto and Kamala. He just has “it”. Not sure if he has the chops quite yet for 2020, but his time will for sure come. He’s got my support. 

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3 minutes ago, SKJ said:

It doesn't matter, because not black.

Of course, if he does wear a tan suit it'll be very problematic because he's gay

I only vote for blacks who eat Heinz mustard. It’s kind of a line in the sand for me, personally.

As for the gays, not sure of my stance on that. Need more mustard research on that topic, quite frankly. 

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Yeah I know. I blame my great great great grandpappy who fought valiantly in the civil war. He loved the blacks, hated regular old mustard, and wore a tan suit to dinner every damn night even in his own fucking home! 

His ghost probably illegally voted for Obama, twice! 

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His talent is messaging though. His ability to connect and resonate on an emotional level (see also Obama).
If I was advising Beto, I’d push for him to take the immigration debate head on.  Make it his cornerstone campaign issue.
There’s so much fertile ground to juxtapose himself from the Republicans who are all about walls and kids in cages. 
So much low hanging fruit no democrat is really capitalizing on.


Well I think you try to go as far as you can on personality because everyone likes a winner until he or she says something that is contrary to a sincerely held belief. And I use that phrase to include anyone and everyone on both sides. But if he has to pick a policy agenda for messaging early I think you attack trump on immigration yes.
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53 minutes ago, troph said:

 


Well I think you try to go as far as you can on personality because everyone likes a winner until he or she says something that is contrary to a sincerely held belief. And I use that phrase to include anyone and everyone on both sides. But if he has to pick a policy agenda for messaging early I think you attack trump on immigration yes.

 

He needs a clear and coherent plan for immigration reform to offer a palatable alternative to the cruelty of Trump.  He can somewhat shield himself from being an “open borders” candidate. 

Yes, I know he will get the open borders shit thrown at him regardless.

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18 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

He needs a clear and coherent plan for immigration reform to offer a palatable alternative to the cruelty of Trump.  He can somewhat shield himself from being an “open borders” candidate. 

Yes, I know he will get the open borders shit thrown at him regardless.

We agree.  I just think you get as far as you can with a personality stump speech and speak to immigration as you said but also relying on the charismatic feel good language he’s gone to time and time again. He can’t avoid it. But he’s on message when he’s rah rah I’ll make you feel good like Obama did, vote for me.

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Fozzz is one of the 3-4 posters here who is actually against our endless murder of brown people across the world. (The vast majority of posters here are against it as a concept but defend every single intervention that the deep state and mass media make any effort to sell them.)

Kamala looking strong!

 

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Trump announced 6/15/15

He took first in the polls in early July 2015. Literally 2-3 weeks later he had already passed everyone who had already been running. It took him less than a month to get his first double-digit lead and he maintained that double-digit lead for basically the entire primary. 

The fundamentals for Trump to take over the primary were obvious. No one in the Dem field has anything like what Donald Trump had.

Hey WaPo? #DoBetter

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9 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Trump announced 6/15/15

He took first in the polls in early July 2015. Literally 2-3 weeks later he had already passed everyone who had already been running. It took him less than a month to get his first double-digit lead and he maintained that double-digit lead for basically the entire primary. 

The fundamentals for Trump to take over the primary were obvious. No one in the Dem field has anything like what Donald Trump had.

Hey WaPo? #DoBetter

We’re probably going to have to treat Trump as a historical anomaly for almost every future comparison. 

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41 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Trump announced 6/15/15

He took first in the polls in early July 2015. Literally 2-3 weeks later he had already passed everyone who had already been running. It took him less than a month to get his first double-digit lead and he maintained that double-digit lead for basically the entire primary. 

The fundamentals for Trump to take over the primary were obvious. No one in the Dem field has anything like what Donald Trump had.

Hey WaPo? #DoBetter

#BeBest?

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I'm going to spend a lot of time giving Beto shit because, well, he deserves it, but I genuinely hope he runs a great race. If he takes this whole thing by storm and wins the presidency we'll be way better off than we would be under another 4 years of the dumbest criminal bastard we've ever had.

And I'm a sucker for a inspirational-yet-empty vessel (just finished getting "hope & change" lasered off of my lower back).

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Vanity Fair did him no favors in using only that bit as the pull quote.

It’s much better in context.

Beto O’Rourke seems, in this moment, like a cliff diver trying to psych himself into the jump. And after playing coy all afternoon about whether he’ll run, he finally can’t deny the pull of his own gifts. “You can probably tell that I want to run,” he finally confides, smiling. “I do. I think I’d be good at it.”

“This is the fight of our lives,” he continues, “not the fight-of-my-political-life kind of crap.

But, like, this is the fight of our lives as Americans, and as humans, I’d argue.”

The more he talks, the more he likes the sound of what he’s saying. “I want to be in it,” he says, now leaning forward. “Man, I’m just born to be in it, and want to do everything I humanly can for this country at this moment.”


And, man, he drops so many F bombs in that interview. And I love that.

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59 minutes ago, Celery Man said:

Beto tickling around the edges, getting close to it, teasing it, flirting with it, laughing with it.  Just taking his time with it.  Making sure it's nice and ready.

 

They're trolling and anti-Democrat party because they called him former Democratic Representative O'Rourke in a news release.  Racists, also.  

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