2020 Democratic Nominee

[bad_teammate 13220]

5 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I’m not looking for purity. It comes off as pandering to Ds specifically, and I think the vast majority of her supporters do not know about her fundraising pivot in the general.

[RDCanecutter 26457]

Purity is soooo Superman. I thought Batman and Spiderman freed us from that boring plot line.

[Mojo Hand 4580]

51 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

hypocrisy aside, maybe it's time that someone on the left just did whatever it took to win.

Absolutely.   Look, I respect the hell out of Obama's desire to try to bring Ds and Rs together on policy to unite the country.    It was just a massive failure. And I absolutely loathe McConnell's completely amoral approach to winning at all costs.  But he's succeeded in obtaining many of his policy goals. 

To me, politics is about finding the right balance between doing what's right and actually accomplishing things.   I like the balance Warren is striking right now. 

Edited August 30, 2019 by Mojo Hand

[BradInATX 9208]

37 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

hypocrisy aside, maybe it's time that someone on the left just did whatever it took to win.

This.

As much as I hate the influence money has in politics, 2020 isn't the time or place to put the Democrat at a disadvantage for some sort of purity test. Warren would be the least corporatist politician of my lifetime, and that's good enough for me if she can beat Trump.

[henrygandorf 29194]

6 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

Look, I respect the hell out of Obama's desire to try to bring Ds and Ds together on policy to unite the country. 

yep.  win the election first.  unite the country afterwards.

or don't.  i don't really care about that anymore.

[Hank Kingsley 20991]

It feels like there are 3 of these a day. 

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Thanks for posting, just donated another $25

Edited August 31, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[Bama Chick 28596]

Pete is smarter than Cory because stupid Cory went on to serve in a dangerous city and smart Grandson Nice Boy Pete learned pointless languages and worked for McKinsey.

All dem languages tho.

[henrygandorf 29194]

6 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

It feels like there are 3 of these a day. 

 

if i only have ~$800mm can i apply?

[Biff Tannen 45694]

2 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

yep.  win the election first.  unite the country afterwards.

or don't.  i don't really care about that anymore.

Sadly, I think this is where we are at.  We have a whole other problem IF the dotard is gone.

[bad_teammate 13220]

Why not take all that money now?

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Because it ties up her schedule of meeting with voters and taking selfies? 

[bad_teammate 13220]

Just now, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Because it ties up her schedule of meeting with voters and taking selfies? 

And it won't in the general?

And that's how you are saying she's selling it?

hmmm

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

1 hour ago, Hank Kingsley said:

It feels like there are 3 of these a day. 

 

There were something like 44 million registered Democrats in 2018 so if everyone went all in for one candidate and chipped in $3.00 that would be about $132 million. Trump has over $67 million I think.

[bad_teammate 13220]

80M people donating an average of $13 would be $1B.

A political revolution is possible and not a completely insane pipe dream.

You can still take $2800 max contributions from people who want to give that much. Just get EVERYONE involved by running an actual grassroots campaign and NEVER make yourself beholden to the oligarchs.

[berlinerbaer 678]

1 hour ago, bad_teammate said:

Why not take all that money now?

Winning the Dem nomination is no small feat. Doing so without dark money would be quite the show of strength heading into the general.

[BradInATX 9208]

3 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

Why not take all that money now?

Same reason why you don't wear ice skates to the golf course.

[Js1 85449]

7 hours ago, BradInATX said:

Same reason why you don't wear ice skates to the golf course.

Because they don’t go with my outfit? 

[Fozzz 152]

10 hours ago, berlinerbaer said:

Winning the Dem nomination is no small feat. Doing so without dark money would be quite the show of strength heading into the general.

That and also bc she’s a fucking fraud. 

[bad_teammate 13220]

9 hours ago, BradInATX said:

Same reason why you don't wear ice skates to the golf course.

Basically every major candidate before Bernie and most of the major candidates now are doing big-money fundraisers with billionaires. It's normal.

[Hank Kingsley 20991]

100%*!

*not including a $10 million transfer from her Senate campaign 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

[Hank Kingsley 20991]

All she has to say is her campaign is driven by grassroots fundraising. Why say 100% when it's not true? 

[BradInATX 9208]

Basically every major candidate before Bernie and most of the major candidates now are doing big-money fundraisers with billionaires. It's normal.

Right. Just saying the primary and the general are two different sports.

All respect to Bernie if he wins the primary and stays grass roots. But I won't have any issue with the nominee taking PAC money etc in the general. You have to win to change things.

[bad_teammate 13220]

There's nothing wrong with PACs as long as the candidate's time/influence isn't being bought with that money. OurRevolution is a PAC.

3 big issues when evaluating PACs
- Transparency
- Grassroots vs. Astroturf
- Candidate Access

[bad_teammate 13220]

Fucking amateur hour

 

[Hank Kingsley 20991]

This confirms a minimum of 10 candidates for the OCTOBER debate.  Good grief. 

 

[Mojo Hand 4580]

They should require 4 new polls showing at least 2%.   Ones from before the third debate shouldn't count. 

[Hank Kingsley 20991]

Agreed. The DNC is so fucking stupid. 

 

[Doc Reeves 6434]

5 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Agreed. The DNC is so fucking stupid. 

 

 

They are just dogs trying to fill the power vacuum. This is a big moment for American and the World and there are plenty usurpers grabbing for the brass ring. 

Hopefull whoever wins is smart as shit 

[Bama Chick 28596]

Telling the truth!

[berlinerbaer 678]

I'm not opposed to a few more candidates being let in through the back door in six weeks if they manage better poll numbers. IMO winnowing down to 10 candidates by Iowa is a realistic target while hitting that number five months early is going too fast. There are a lot of white dudes who are carbon copies of each other that need to go, but there are a few other candidates who might bring something compelling to the table that are currently on the outside looking in: Steyer, Gabbard, and Inslee if he had stuck around.

At least this way gives us one debate with the anticipated Warren-Biden and Warren-Harris match-ups. I won't mind expanding to two nights in October as long as the Houston showdown tells us something new.

[bad_teammate 13220]

5 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Telling the truth!
 

Beto 3.0 is fucking dope as hell

They can have all my ARs. 

I'd really like to keep my shotguns, though.

[Celery Man 20981]

I think shotguns are the point where they’d start getting pushback from actual voters.

My theory is that Beto sucks or at least has fumbled when he sees the gap open for him to squeeze through. When he’s basically got no chance, he stops giving a fuck and is awesome.

[BrickHorn 18255]

2 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

Beto 3.0 is fucking dope as hell

They can have all my ARs. 

I'd really like to keep my shotguns, though.

Same here.  I’d be willing to part with everything except my shotguns and lever action rifle, assuming everyone else gets the same deal.  

[Larry T. Spider 1746]

People should be able to keep shotguns and rifles for hunting. I’m even ok with handguns for home defense that must be left at home. All the open carry, driving around with guns, and any type of AK/AR weapon needs to go. I would give people 6 months to sell their “assault weapon” then it’s 10 years in jail for possession of one and life for selling one. It’s way past time to end these mass shootings. 

Edited September 2, 2019 by Larry T. Spider

[Pancho 44878]

 

[RayDog 682]

I wish they did a poll on how enthusiastic people are to vote for a candidate. I just don't see people being that enthusiastic to vote for Biden. 

Elections are about turnout and if you factor in turnout Biden may be the worst of the four.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

[bad_teammate 13220]

Liz and Bernie are going to work together to fix this shit.

Grandma and Grandpa love us and want us to be happy.

[FondrenRoad 4378]

On 8/30/2019 at 6:47 PM, RDCanecutter said:

Purity is soooo Superman. I thought Batman and Spiderman freed us from that boring plot line.

Actually, most Superman plotlines lay out our world perfectly.  Superman, while always easily offering the best outcome for everyone, always has to be perfect.  When he fucks up, a door opens for shittier alternatives that can pretend they're better.  Lex can be a complete shitbag, make empty promises, and can win based on pointing out Superman's narrow fuckups.

The GOP are 100% Lex Luthor.  They are playing a game where the only thing they care about is Lex Luthor winning.  And with straight up comic book writing at this point.  Think of an evil position on something, they take it, and spin it as "other guy is worse."  Seriously, they side with guns over dead kids in shootings.  They make arguments that immigrant infants should be locked up.  They make arguments that Latino US citizens should be locked up.  And they love that shit.  Don't buy the "But Hillary's".

We need to wake up.

[Hank Kingsley 20991]

Polls not looking great for Mayor Pete right now, but organization on the ground is about to be fully operational. 

 

[bad_teammate 13220]

Money+Organization > Polls

 

...

 

usually

Edited September 3, 2019 by bad_teammate

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

[Hank Kingsley 20991]

Good

 

[Js1 85449]

I highly doubt anyone in the top 5 will drop out before Super Tuesday.

The more Joe talks, the more they have no need to drop out because he sucks so hard. 

[Hank Kingsley 20991]

Biden camp practically conceding Iowa already. 

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Seems like the Biden campaign is in a constant state of damage control and lowering expectations.  Thus far, they’ve done a decent job of it, all things considered. 

[Pancho 44878]

 

[Fozzz 152]

Biden is getting pretty bold on the issues these days.