2020 Democratic Nominee

[bad_teammate 13132]

1 minute ago, Hank Kingsley said:

AKA I can't possibly believe any normal person would donate to a non-Bernie/Liz candidate.

I can believe it, absolutely, but I'm more impressed by the number of people involved than the total number (or even the average).

[Mojo Hand 4580]

This has to be people fleeing Biden. 

[Hank Kingsley 20705]

 

[bad_teammate 13132]

Wayne Messam: King of Grassroots Fundraising

[Hank Kingsley 20705]

A South Bend mayor raised more just in small donations than Beto & Castro's total Q3 numbers combined. Crazy. 

Yang had an impressive percentage of small-donor money.

Also interesting that Booker needed to raise 1.7 million in 10 days and was desperately asking everyone for money, and he only ended up with 2.3 million in small-dollar donations. I guess he got a lot of bigger checks in those 10 days.

 

Edited October 17, 2019 by Hank Kingsley

[Dbeasy 14969]

You folks that spew so much hatred at Pete perplex me. I can understand you preferring other candidates for whatever reason, but you treat him and other moderate democrats almost as badly as Trump and Republicans.

He has a decent common sense platform, and your over-the-top hatred makes you look unstable and unhinged. He’s certainly better than a Republican or Trump in office right now, even if his policies in some cases are more moderate or even have some elements of Republican thinking. That mindset of far left all or nothing makes moderates like me very nervous. We need people who can govern effectively, not fight windmills. You are hurting your party’s cause, much like the Tea Party hurt the Republicans ability to govern effectively. Don’t make the same mistake.

[bad_teammate 13132]

12 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

A South Bend mayor raised more just in small donations than Beto & Castro's total Q3 numbers combined. Crazy.

I don't think Beto and Castro were going to "STOP BERNIE AT ALL COSTS!" dinners with the elites.

8 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

You folks that spew so much hatred at Pete perplex me. I can understand you preferring other candidates for whatever reason, but you treat him and other moderate democrats almost as badly as Trump and Republicans.

lol

If Pete wins the nomination I will vote for him in the general.

His policies aren't adequate to meet the challenges of the day, he's vague, he punches left, and he's dishonest. He's not actively evil like Republicans, he's just a garbage Dem.

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He has a decent common sense platform, and your over-the-top hatred makes you look unstable and unhinged.

He's got a middling platform and zero experience, history, appeal outside a very narrow band of white voters, or movement. It's a waste of everyone's time and actively harmful when he's actively attacking the policies and values that I think are important (taxation to fund social welfare and gun buybacks, specifically).

He was a much more appealing candidate to me when he wasn't punching left and looked like a young, vital progressive. Now he's a more appealing candidate to people who don't care much about progressive values and are happy to pre-compromise away the lives of the poor and indigent to make sure they get the most NPR-sounding candidate on offer.

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He’s certainly better than a Republican or Trump in office right now, even if his policies in some cases are more moderate or even have some elements of Republican thinking. That mindset of far left all or nothing makes moderates like me very nervous. We need people who can govern effectively, not fight windmills. You are hurting your party’s cause, much like the Tea Party hurt the Republicans ability to govern effectively. Don’t make the same mistake.

If your actual concern is effective governance, why would you be supporting a gimmick candidate with zero non-white support in his 30s with no history of governing effectively at any level beyond fixing the sewers?

 

[Hank Kingsley 20705]

3 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

I don't think Beto and Castro were going to "STOP BERNIE AT ALL COSTS!" dinners with the elites.

Amazing that you actually buy into this nonsense. 

 

 

Edited October 17, 2019 by Hank Kingsley

[tantric superman 4667]

6 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

lol

If Pete wins the nomination I will vote for him in the general.

His policies aren't adequate to meet the challenges of the day, he's vague, he punches left, and he's dishonest. He's not actively evil like Republicans, he's just a garbage Dem.

I don't think this is fair and I'm not a fan of the "garbage dem" because I favor a pretty big tent, but seems like a reasonable position at this stage of the proceedings. 

 

[Mojo Hand 4580]

I like Pete.  He has a ton of political talent and good core values and he's exceptionally smart.   He just has no political experience outside of his small city, and even worse, his inexperience shows in his naive and myopic vision.   I sincerely hope that he gets some seasoning in the state capital and/or Washington, plus greater exposure to people who aren't in his social class.   If he does, I think he'll be a kickass president when he's 50.

[bad_teammate 13132]

5 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Amazing that you actually buy into this nonsense.

Fake news?

Just now, tantric superman said:

I don't think this is fair and I'm not a fan of the "garbage dem" because I favor a pretty big tent, but seems like a reasonable position at this stage of the proceedings.

It's a fair point.

because it's redundant, all Dems are garbage lol

[henrygandorf 29177]

14 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Amazing that you actually buy into this nonsense. 

pretty sure those dinners stopped 6+ months ago, along with bernie’s momentum. 

[Hank Kingsley 20705]

3 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Fake news?

 

We know he attended a dinner "with the larger imperative of party unity". Maybe someone got on stage and talked shit about Bernie, maybe not. There is absolutely zero proof that Pete was doing anything nefarious. And considering he ran for DNC chair in 2017,  it's completely understandable why he'd be invited. 

It's such a reach and so conspiratorial that it's just another pathetic Bernie supporter talking point.  Do better. 

 

 

[henrygandorf 29177]

25 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

If your actual concern is effective governance, why would you be supporting a gimmick candidate with zero non-white support in his 30s with no history of governing effectively at any level beyond fixing the sewers?

is this how you're supposed to pick candidates?  by considering who else likes them?  did you wait to see who supported bernie before you went all-in, or did you learn about what he believed in and agree?

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

12 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

 

I like Pete.

 

I want to like Pete, I really do.  He would make a better president than any republican and most of the democrats, I would be happy to vote for him. 

However, he comes off as an entitled techbro douchebag.  Who the fuck writes their own autobiography at age 37?  Pete Buttigieg, that’s who. 

[Hank Kingsley 20705]

5 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I want to like Pete, I really do.  He would make a better president than any republican and most of the democrats, I would be happy to vote for him. 

However, he comes off as an entitled techbro douchebag.  Who the fuck writes their own autobiography at age 37?  Pete Buttigieg, that’s who. 

Coming from a guy that repeatedly defended Jeff Flake and Paul Ryan at some point, I'll take this as a good sign for Buttigieg. 

 

[6th Street 6357]

Pete needs to run for House or Senate and get some lawmaking skills. He's in over his head. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

3 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Coming from a guy that repeatedly defended Jeff Flake and Paul Ryan at some point, I'll take this as a good sign for Buttigieg. 

Attack the messenger and I don’t think I’ve ever said a nice thing about Paul Ryan.  My defense of Flake was solely around him publicly condemning Trumpism.  Sick burn tho

[Mojo Hand 4580]

14 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I want to like Pete, I really do.  He would make a better president than any republican and most of the democrats, I would be happy to vote for him. 

However, he comes off as an entitled techbro douchebag.  Who the fuck writes their own autobiography at age 37?  Pete Buttigieg, that’s who. 

Well, Obama wrote his at 34.   

[henrygandorf 29177]

14 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I want to like Pete, I really do.  He would make a better president than any republican and most of the democrats, I would be happy to vote for him. 

However, he comes off as an entitled techbro douchebag.  Who the fuck writes their own autobiography at age 37?  Pete Buttigieg, that’s who. 

i wrote mine when i was 34 and i definitely come off as an entitled douchebag, so this checks out.

didn't obama write a couple of books during his ramp-up?  it's pretty common for someone running for president, at any age.

[henrygandorf 29177]

dammit mojo.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

3 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

Well, Obama wrote his at 34.   

Yeah, I think one of the Kennedys wrote there’s young too.  Pete has a shot at Iowa but I don’t know how he’s going to convince black folks to support him. 

Edited October 17, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[Hank Kingsley 20705]

5 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Yeah, I think one of the Kennedys wrote there’s young too.  Pete has a shot at Iowa but I don’t know how he’s going to convince black folks to support him. 

No doubt that's his biggest obstacle. He's got to start gaining support from POC. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Klobuchar could also cause some problems for Pete.  They’re clearly targeting the same voting block.

However, the rest of this race is going to be trying to stop Elizabeth Warren, which to many folks will come off as a sign of weakness because she hasn’t gone negative.

[Hank Kingsley 20705]

1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Klobuchar could also cause some problems for Pete.  

I doubt it. 

 

[Hank Kingsley 20705]

It's an Emerson poll, so take with a grain of salt. 

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Emerson is quality 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

4 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

It's an Emerson poll, so take with a grain of salt. 

 

Pete’s strategy appears to be going all in on Iowa  and win by draining enough Biden voters to overcome the gap with Warren.  

[Js1 85110]

10 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I doubt it. 

 

Similar ideological lane. Female and experienced. If she gained more traction, maybe. But she hasn’t. 

[Hank Kingsley 20705]

Pete's strategy has been Iowa the entire time, and he's always polled well there. 

Too many people focus on national polls where he is at 4-6% and think he's not getting anywhere. 

 

Edited October 17, 2019 by Hank Kingsley

[Hank Kingsley 20705]

1 minute ago, Js1 said:

Similar ideological lane. Female and experienced. If she gained more traction, maybe. But she hasn’t. 

All true. Overall Pete's just a much better campaigner and organizer than Klobuchar. 

 

[bad_teammate 13132]

1 hour ago, henrygandorf said:

pretty sure those dinners stopped 6+ months ago, along with bernie’s momentum. 

The guy with more money, donors, and volunteers than anyone else is dead. DEAD lol

It's all good.

55 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

is this how you're supposed to pick candidates?  by considering who else likes them?  did you wait to see who supported bernie before you went all-in, or did you learn about what he believed in and agree?

To enact progressive change we are going to need a large coalition and a motivated base and POC are the most important base the Democrats have. Nothing will get done by a coalition that is just white professionals making $100k+. The numbers aren't there and I am responding to someone talking as if they only care about pragmatic accomplishments and GETTING THINGS DONE.

[henrygandorf 29177]

3 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

The guy with more money, donors, and volunteers than anyone else is dead. DEAD lol

It's all good.

nah, just stagnant.  intentionally or not, he's providing cover for warren, who's going to win.  that's not nothing.

 

4 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

To enact progressive change we are going to need a large coalition and a motivated base and POC are the most important base the Democrats have. Nothing will get done by a coalition that is just white professionals making $100k+. The numbers aren't there and I am responding to someone talking as if they only care about pragmatic accomplishments and GETTING THINGS DONE.

this is a fair point, and you were addressing him.

[bad_teammate 13132]

57 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

nah, just stagnant.

In the polls? Yes.

In any other consideration? lol

[bad_teammate 13132]

um

what?

 

[Hank Kingsley 20705]

/facepalm

[Hank Kingsley 20705]

38 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

um

what?

 

Haha, already deleted. 

[Hank Kingsley 20705]

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

About the polls...you’ll notice some polls consistently have Biden about 10 points ahead of Warren and others consistently have Warren ahead of Biden by 3-5 points.  This can only be explained by some difference in the methodology.  My guess is the reliance on landlines vs cell phones to build data sets but it could easily be something else...any ideas?

Because this is now a documented phenomenon. 

[bad_teammate 13132]

It's pre-primary polling. It's pretty much all we have but it ain't worth very much.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Hillary calling them as she sees them, doesn’t fuck around and she’s correct, again.

[Hank Kingsley 20705]

Embarrassing. 

 

[bad_teammate 13132]

Hillary is an idiot and she should stop talking. Neither Jill Stein nor Tulsi are Russian assets. This is Glenn Beck blackboard insanity for dumb liberals.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

It’s not like Jill Stein went to Russia and had dinner with Putin in the run up to the last election. 

[bad_teammate 13132]

6 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

It’s not like Jill Stein went to Russia and had dinner with Putin in the run up to the last election. 

Yes, she went to the RT 10th anniversary gala and Putin came briefly to her table and never spoke to her.

wow

lol

[Zonahorn 8079]

Listen BT, I know Tulsi is the anti imperialist candidate, but she sucks dude.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

7 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Putin came briefly to her table and never spoke to her.

[Mojo Hand 4580]

"Asset" is probably overstating it, but they're at minimum useful idiots, and that could fall within the definition of intelligence asset. 

[bad_teammate 13132]

I agree that she sucks. I don't like or care about Tulsi at all. The idea that she's a "Russian asset" is stupid on its face. Neither her nor Stein are being paid or directed by the Russians. Neither of them is receiving manila envelopes in a parking garage at 3AM. It is InfoWars for NPR listeners.

Thank you, Hugo, for providing a picture of the event I described with words. It's a pleasure working with you on multi-modal informational text.