2020 Democratic Nominee

[bad_teammate 13195]

Just now, washparkhorn said:

Don't dare criticize O'Malley though - too much pearl clutching would ensue . . .

Instead of "BOO!" the crowd would be saying, "WHO?"

Bernie Bros are out of fucking control

 

[washparkhorn 9939]

Corporate Democrats = Inauthentic Opposition to the Republican Party (since they serve the same masters).

 

[troph 24798]

I acknowledged I overstated and at the same time bt admitted Bernie bros are mean and will hurl insults. I explained it was probably out of fear, loud obnoxious white cisgender men can be entitled assholes. Sorry. He then mansplained how we scared minorities don’t always have rational fears. Please do explain to me again, I have no idea.

He claimed I’m disconnected. He knows I’m not. I’m not a twitter warrior, I’m actually in the fray with campaigns and know several staffers in multiple campaigns. I’ve raised money directly for two candidates in the last 18 months and have given to more. I was asked by two presidential campaigns to host fundraisers. I’ve phone banked, led phone banks, I’ve been in leadership for HRC (the org) and now in leadership of a state wide progressive organization. I’m hardly disconnected.

I won’t ever use socialism as a slur, I said above I don’t consider it that. He’s a socialist. That can be good. It can be bad. It’s just a fact. I want 75-80% of what he wants and campaigns for but because I’m not ok with the Democratic Party being over taken by Bernie and the DSA I’m a problem.

Under that precondition, take your support for my basic human rights and shove them up your ass. I don’t need folks who go out of their way to convince me I have a right to exist (gee thanks cisgender white male bully for giving me that right, how can I ever thank you enough) and then rail on me for not being a socialist. And worse, completely misrepresent my positions.

In less than two weeks, two Bernie bros on this site have taken drive by pot shots at two very important LGBTQ leaders, both I know personally. Both playing by the rules. One unknowingly but they both underscore the absolute disdain for people who don’t support Bernie 100%. They scream hypocrisy at good hard working progressives because they aren’t good enough. And I get lectured about it. And they wonder why so many progressives don’t want Bernie, it’s not because of Bernie it’s because of the Bernie Bros.

Good riddance.

[washparkhorn 9939]

10 minutes ago, troph said:

I acknowledged I overstated and at the same time bt admitted Bernie bros are mean and will hurl insults. I explained it was probably out of fear, loud obnoxious white cisgender men can be entitled assholes. Sorry. He then mansplained how we scared minorities don’t always have rational fears. Please do explain to me again, I have no idea.

He claimed I’m disconnected. He knows I’m not. I’m not a twitter warrior, I’m actually in the fray with campaigns and know several staffers in multiple campaigns. I’ve raised money directly for two candidates in the last 18 months and have given to more. I was asked by two presidential campaigns to host fundraisers. I’ve phone banked, led phone banks, I’ve been in leadership for HRC (the org) and now in leadership of a state wide progressive organization. I’m hardly disconnected.

I won’t ever use socialism as a slur, I said above I don’t consider it that. He’s a socialist. That can be good. It can be bad. It’s just a fact. I want 75-80% of what he wants and campaigns for but because I’m not ok with the Democratic Party being over taken by Bernie and the DSA I’m a problem.

Under that precondition, take your support for my basic human rights and shove them up your ass. I don’t need folks who go out of their way to convince me I have a right to exist (gee thanks cisgender white male bully for giving me that right, how can I ever thank you enough) and then rail on me for not being a socialist. And worse, completely misrepresent my positions.

In less than two weeks, two Bernie bros on this site have taken drive by pot shots at two very important LGBTQ leaders, both I know personally. Both playing by the rules. One unknowingly but they both underscore the absolute disdain for people who don’t support Bernie 100%. They scream hypocrisy at good hard working progressives because they aren’t good enough. And I get lectured about it. And they wonder why so many progressives don’t want Bernie, it’s not because of Bernie it’s because of the Bernie Bros.

Good riddance.

We will keep fighting for trans rights for everyone, not just the privileged. 

 Good luck.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/mayor-bernie-sanders-created-an-80s-trans-mecca-in-burlington

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Mayor Bernie Sanders Created an ’80s Trans Mecca in Burlington

 

REAL ALLY

When it was wildly unpopular politically, Sanders backed a pride parade. In the LGBT community, word got out: Burlington was a place trans Americans could be safe.

 

[washparkhorn 9939]

Communism. Socialism. Corporate style. 

[Skyline 325]

That Killer Mike speech was very good, he's a fantastic orator. But that last part where he lists groups and then randomly refers to women as just "females" just weirds me out. Not sure why, maybe it feels cold and clinical compared to how he listed the other groups? 

[GSU&UT 1798]

29 minutes ago, troph said:

In less than two weeks, two Bernie bros on this site have taken drive by pot shots at two very important LGBTQ leaders, both I know personally. Both playing by the rules. One unknowingly but they both underscore the absolute disdain for people who don’t support Bernie 100%. They scream hypocrisy at good hard working progressives because they aren’t good enough. And I get lectured about it. And they wonder why so many progressives don’t want Bernie, it’s not because of Bernie it’s because of the Bernie Bros.

Good riddance.

Sorry some of us seeing our country as a festering pile of shit if you don't make a really good wage. I'm very lucky to have been allowed to pay over $6k to have our daughter's birth beyond our premiums because I came from a family that allowed me to not incur a huge amount of debt after graduating college, just 5 figures worth. And don't tell me that all the other candidates are really pushing for M4A when the only other one who released a similar plan already started a bargaining process before the first votes were even cast in the primary.

You still have a huge amount of wealth privilege from the things you've shared on this board, none of us are claiming you aren't facing crazy discrimination and that isn't important when trying to move the Democratic party forward. There are those of us who have literally talked with people who have withheld necessary treatment (as in I worked for the American Cancer Society's national call center in Austin when I lived there) because they couldn't afford their deductibles, out-of-pocket expenses, drug co-pays, etc. 

Please take my advice and go on twitter and post all these white cishet men that are being toxic to minorities, transgender people, women, etc. as if Bernie's base right now isn't one of the most diverse if you've watched any of his rallies or supporters speak.

Again, I remind everyone about 2008 where Hillary literally insinuated that Obama wasn't an American and Obama called her a pathological liar in a rally.

Edited February 2, 2020 by GSU&UT

[washparkhorn 9939]

1 minute ago, Skyline said:

That Killer Mike speech was very good, he's a fantastic orator. But that last part where he lists groups and then randomly refers to women as just "females" just weirds me out. Not sure why, maybe it feels cold and clinical compared to how he listed the other groups? 

He is surrounded by powerful progressive women. My guess is he thought white-knighting for women was not appropriate given their presence. 

[bonnieblue 542]

Men who refer to women as "females" are usually (not always) pretty terrible on any issue that involves women.

[Skyline 325]

1 minute ago, bonnieblue said:

Men who refer to women as "females" are usually (not always) pretty terrible on any issue that involves women.

Yeah it's kind of a subtle flag (to me) that something is off about that person. 

[bad_teammate 13195]

He didn't say "females".

He was listing categories of people and "female" is the right word to use, the only screw-up was "men" which should have been "male".

You guys should make explicit what you're implying because this cancel culture shit is tiring. Just say the black rapper man is a sexist and keep it moving. This is the thread of calling people sexist misogynist transphobes. Keep in step.

[Hank Scorpio 17729]

You also have to look at Mike’s body language when he’s up there speaking. Now I’ve broken down the entire video frame by frame and if you read my analysis below you will definitely see some really problematic tendencies (1/152) 

[bad_teammate 13195]

I'm sure I've got some of my 2004 campaigning shit buried somehwere...

 

[FondrenRoad 4378]

3 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

The idea that the Democratic Party just naturally is Third Way/Clintonite is historically ignorant to put it kindly.

The corporate whores won the power battle for the Democratic party in the late 80s/early 90s. The war never stopped.

The only thing that changes is whether or not you're aware of which side you're on.

That is absolutely correct.  But its also the reason why Bernie Sanders should be a member of the Democratic party and change it from the inside.  Both he, and you and your bros, recognized issues with running for a party nomination while not belonging to a party in 2016.  Yet rather than remaining in the party during Trump's term, he went independent again and lost his ability to have any influence at all on the party apparatus.  So here we are again.  And that is entirely Bernie's fault.  It isn't that corporate whores won the battle.  Its that Bernie gave up on the battle.  The war absolutely did stop for Bernie because he abandoned his post on the battlefield.

And had he remained a Dem, nobody was making him vote the party line if he doesn't want to.  The Dems aren't the GOP and don't require total compliance.  Bernie has voted the same as Schumer and the majority of Dems 84% of the time.  Gillibrand has also voted the same as Schumer and the majority of Dems 84% of the time while voting the same as Bernie 94% of the time.  Magically, she manages to do this without issue while remaining a member of the Democratic party the entire time.  Warren also votes 93% with Bernie and 86% with Schumer.  Also still a Dem.  Warren also manages to stay in the good graces of the party even while holding nearly all the same views as Bernie.

If you own a restaurant, do you really like the cook across the street who constantly bitches about the way you run your kitchen, but refuses to work in the kitchen at all until the head chef job comes open?  At which point he still hasn't cooked a thing for you, but still complains about the fact that you want to promote your sous chef to head chef instead of hiring a complaining outsider.  Do you like him any better when he comes around the next time still not having cooked a damn thing after turning down your job offer to work the line first?

Edited February 2, 2020 by FondrenRoad

[Bama Chick 28596]

Yep. Call me a female and I will not take kindly to you.

It’s condescending and insulting

“Female" and "woman" mean different things.

"Female" means a member of a species that produces offspring. “Woman" refers to human beings, while "female" could refer to any species.

“Female” is an adjective; by using it as a noun you’re erasing the actual subject. It erases everything about a woman as a human with agency and reduces her to her ability to produce children.



In other news, this is pretty neat but there’s a lot of pushback in the comments on Jane Sanders being an administrator and not an educator and her not so great managerial history.

[FondrenRoad 4378]

5 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Yep. Call me a female and I will not take kindly to you.

It’s condescending and insulting

“Female" and "woman" mean different things.

"Female" means a member of a species that produces offspring. “Woman" refers to human beings, while "female" could refer to any species.

“Female” is an adjective; by using it as a noun you’re erasing the actual subject. It erases everything about a woman as a human with agency and reduces her to her ability to produce children.



In other news, this is pretty neat but there’s a lot of pushback in the comments on Jane Sanders being an administrator and not an educator and her not so great managerial history.
 

 

 

 

Chasten Buttigieg is a tough name for a middle school teacher to have.

[Bama Chick 28596]

He didn't say "females".
He was listing categories of people and "female" is the right word to use, the only screw-up was "men" which should have been "male".
You guys should make explicit what you're implying because this cancel culture shit is tiring. Just say the black rapper man is a sexist and keep it moving. This is the thread of calling people sexist misogynist transphobes. Keep in step.

Wrong.

Females are not categories of people.

Women are people. Females are a classification of any species that produces children.

And it’s not a “screw up” that he said “men” - it’s exactly what we’re saying. No one calls human men “males” like they call human woman “females”.

It’s purposeful.

But thanks for mansplaining.

[Hank Scorpio 17729]

This is my new favorite thing. A rapper gave a great speech stressing unity between different groups of people who have been oppressed and marginalized by the establishment but he said females instead of women. Bernie must disavow this Killing Michael at once. 

[Hank Scorpio 17729]

Jesus Christ I just googled some of this Murder Mike’s lyrics and you guys are not going to believe what else he calls women. I am so furious that I’m shaking. 

[Hank Kingsley 20940]

lmao 

 

[bad_teammate 13195]

From the beginning of the speech:

“But as I grew I started to understand poor white people have been denied. Women have been denied. Gays and lesbians. Transgender people have been denied. Immigrant children have been denied.”

Later in the speech:

"I need you to carry with you the memory of this room: Black. White. Straight. Gay. Men. Female. We are together. We are united."

In this list of 6 categories, the word that isn't in step grammatically is "men". "Men" is a noun while the other 5 are adjectives modifying the implied object, "people".

"Black (people). White (people). Straight (people). Men (people). Female (people)." 

While I always appreciate the epic rageposting, this is grammatically obvious. He screwed up on "men" and corrected himself by the next word in the list.

I'm sure this is very sexist of me to point out.

But great job non-black people slandering this passionate advocate for universal justice because you're too fucking stupid to parse English. Big round of applause.

 

1 minute ago, Hank Scorpio said:

Jesus Christ I just googled some of this Murder Mike’s lyrics and you guys are not going to believe what else he calls women. I am so furious that I’m shaking. 

How am I going to explain this to my children!?!?!?!?!

 

[troph 24798]

 

Unless you post point by point, month by month, week by week, phone bank by phone bank, org by org, candidate by candidate that you’ve been in the trenches with in terms of actual organizing for trans people then I’ll assume it’s Twitter and this board and that’s about it. But thanks oh so much for your help. We couldn’t have done it without your internet squawking while the rest of us imperfect and impure silly progressives try and make the world a better place.

[bad_teammate 13195]

You have no idea what anyone else here actually does, and your assumptions say more about you than them.

[troph 24798]

Sorry some of us seeing our country as a festering pile of shit if you don't make a really good wage. I'm very lucky to have been allowed to pay over $6k to have our daughter's birth beyond our premiums because I came from a family that allowed me to not incur a huge amount of debt after graduating college, just 5 figures worth. And don't tell me that all the other candidates are really pushing for M4A when the only other one who released a similar plan already started a bargaining process before the first votes were even cast in the primary.

You still have a huge amount of wealth privilege from the things you've shared on this board, none of us are claiming you aren't facing crazy discrimination and that isn't important when trying to move the Democratic party forward. There are those of us who have literally talked with people who have withheld necessary treatment (as in I worked for the American Cancer Society's national call center in Austin when I lived there) because they couldn't afford their deductibles, out-of-pocket expenses, drug co-pays, etc. 

Please take my advice and go on twitter and post all these white cishet men that are being toxic to minorities, transgender people, women, etc. as if Bernie's base right now isn't one of the most diverse if you've watched any of his rallies or supporters speak.

Again, I remind everyone about 2008 where Hillary literally insinuated that Obama wasn't an American and Obama called her a pathological liar in a rally.

 

I have tremendous privilege. I do. I won’t ever deny that. I’m super fortunate and I act accordingly.

 

And it pisses me off when people like you make assumptions about my politics because I’m not a Bernie supporter. I’m not a Bernie supporter for any number of reasons, and it starts with getting lectured and insulted by people like you.

 

I am very privileged and I know it. And because of it I take the idea that to whom much has been given much is required and I give my time and money to multiple causes. I spend over 10 hours a week working not for money, but for causes ranging from ending homelessness, raising the minimum wage, immigration reform, trans rights, reproductive rights, climate change, gun violence, the arts, and probably some more. On top of that I try to live my values as an employer as well. when someone asks for help I try to give it. I’ve given money to campaigns and progressive candidates as well as run phone banks and organized activists to get things done like build support for the Texas legislative resistance, for city ordinances that are progressive and more.

 

I don’t really care what you do, but attacking my progressive cred because I think Bernie supporters are a major detractor to his campaign and the cause only proves my point.

 

 

[troph 24798]

You have no idea what anyone else here actually does, and your assumptions say more about you than them.

 He’s the one saying he’s got trans folk covered to the trans woman. Didn’t even mention how he CisHet-mansplained to me in a PM that HRC (the org) has problems. Seriously dude? I might be a privileged white trans woman but I know a metric fuck ton more about HRC and being trans than he or you do. And when the Federal Equality Act gets passed it will be because of HRC not the DSA.  If you want to attack my progressive credentials and tell me how you “got this” because I’m not doing my part due to the fact that I’m not 100% behind Bernie then I have the right to call you out from behind the screen.

 

Those are bold moves even for a Bernie Bro.

 

 

 

 

[washparkhorn 9939]

Corporate whitewashing, pinkwashing, greenwashing . . . isn''t fooling anyone. 

Not ME - Us. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danpontefract/2016/09/24/faking-corporate-social-responsibility-does-not-fool-employees/#67ad5f897994

[Gil Bang 25958]

SIAP

 

 

[washparkhorn 9939]

3 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

SIAP

 

 

Kerry Hubris never in short supply . . . 

 

[Bama Chick 28596]

Jesus fucking Christ, y’all wonder why people think Bernie Bros are insufferable gasbags?

Who said anything about canceling this Mike person?

Women mentioning that they find being called females demeaning and y’all proceed to bleat and whine and type missives dismissing us.

Or pull out an above it all sarcastic insult couched as an ironic humorous rebuttal.

What a bunch of thin skinned hysterical males.

Women truly love a bunch of angry dudes pontificating about why our perspectives about women’s issues are wrong.

[troph 24798]

Bama Chick - please don’t get me started. ;-)

[washparkhorn 9939]

[troph 24798]

Ain’t no moderate here chatting with you wash. Not one.

[BradInATX 9208]

Bernie Bros - proud warriors against cancel culture and unifying voice of reason and harmony since January 28th, 2020 💪

Edited February 2, 2020 by BradInATX

[bad_teammate 13195]

6 minutes ago, troph said:

If you want to attack my progressive credentials and tell me how you “got this” because I’m not doing my part due to the fact that I’m not 100% behind Bernie then I have the right to call you out from behind the screen.

What attacks? You're being far more aggressive towards others than anyone is being towards you, including how this shit all started when you ignored the content of my DNC argument to paint me as a transphobe for some unknowable reason.

And if you want to be aggressive, that's fine, shoot your shot. But don't start shit and act like you're not starting shit.

1 minute ago, Bama Chick said:

Women mentioning that they find being called females demeaning and y’all proceed to bleat and whine and type missives dismissing us.

You were specifically accusing him of purposefully using sexist language.

To quote you:

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And it’s not a “screw up” that he said “men” - it’s exactly what we’re saying. No one calls human men “males” like they call human woman “females”.

It’s purposeful.
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You were wrong. But you've got one button on your controller: Righteous Indignation

Keep mashing. It's going to work if you push it hard and fast enough.

[troph 24798]

 

 

Never said you were transphobic. But this convo isn’t about basic rights. You went out of your way to explain your credentials on issues that weren’t germane. That’s pandering. I was talking about how hard it is to get promoted like that and she deserves it. But I’m wrong because well Bernie.

 

Y’all got an answer for everyone. You’re always right. You win.

 

[washparkhorn 9939]

2 minutes ago, troph said:

Ain’t no moderate here chatting with you wash. Not one.

You are right. I am hearing "reactionary" responses. 

Nothing wrong with incremental progressivism when there is movement forward. Until that time, some of you are marching backwards in time. Own it. Defend it if you must. But recognize the pushback you receive is deserved when we have an opportunity for "US, not ME." 

[BradInATX 9208]

12 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Jesus fucking Christ, y’all wonder why people think Bernie Bros are insufferable gasbags?

Who said anything about canceling this Mike person?

Women mentioning that they find being called females demeaning and y’all proceed to bleat and whine and type missives dismissing us.

Or pull out an above it all sarcastic insult couched as an ironic humorous rebuttal.

What a bunch of thin skinned hysterical males.

Women truly love a bunch of angry dudes pontificating about why our perspectives about women’s issues are wrong.

 

You don't like Killer Mike because he's black, obviously.

Edited February 2, 2020 by BradInATX

[troph 24798]

You are right. I am hearing "reactionary" responses. 
Nothing wrong with incremental progressivism when there is movement forward. Until that time, some of you are marching backwards in time. Own it. Defend it if you must. But recognize the pushback you receive is deserved when we have an opportunity for "US, not ME." 

Because your words dude. Y’all are incapable of seeing it. I’m out.

[washparkhorn 9939]

Just now, BradInATX said:

 

You don't like Killer Mike because he's black, obviously.

She doesn't like Killer Mike because he supports Sanders - and Sanders had the impertinence to challenge Clinton in a primary. 

[washparkhorn 9939]

Just now, troph said:

 

Because your words dude. Y’all are incapable of seeing it. I’m out.

 

As always troph, my best to you and yours. 

[Bama Chick 28596]

Bama Chick - please don’t get me started. ;-)

Girl, no shit.

Like, I literally watched them try and shout down those of us furious about the Joe Rogan bullshittery. And when you joined the conversation, the school boy insults stopped, but you were still talked over and then condescended to in an effort to stop a debate they had no business being in.

I’ve watched those of us who support other candidates be insulted and gaslight and shouted down.

“What’s the big deal?? Yeah Rogan says some shitty things about trans people and women and black people but we need to welcome them because we need to win!”

”I think Hilary Clinton did some good things in her career and as a woman, I admire her.”

“YOU DISGUSTING SHITLIBS CORPORATE SELL OUT HACK FAKE PROGRESSIVE! WHY DON’T YOU GO SUCK HER TIT AND DIE? WE NEED TO CLEANSE THE COUNTRY OF YOU PEOPLE!”

[Message Board User 12395]

It's Super Bowl Sunday and you people (yeah I said you people) can't give your outrage a break for one day?

[Bama Chick 28596]

DID BT JUST ACCUSE SOMEONE ELSE OF “RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION”????

Wrap it up and shut it down.

[Js1 85337]

2 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

It's Super Bowl Sunday and you people (yeah I said you people) can't give your outrage a break for one day?

Outrage is a Bernie Bro’s super bowl 

[washparkhorn 9939]

3 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

 

Girl, no shit.

Like, I literally watched them try and shout down those of us furious about the Joe Rogan bullshittery. And when you joined the conversation, the school boy insults stopped, but you were still talked over and then condescended to in an effort to stop a debate they had no business being in.

I’ve watched those of us who support other candidates be insulted and gaslight and shouted down.

“What’s the big deal?? Yeah Rogan says some shitty things about trans people and women and black people but we need to welcome them because we need to win!”

”I think Hilary Clinton did some good things in her career and as a woman, I admire her.”

“YOU DISGUSTING SHITLIBS CORPORATE SELL OUT HACK FAKE PROGRESSIVE! WHY DON’T YOU GO SUCK HER TIT AND DIE? WE NEED TO CLEANSE THE COUNTRY OF YOU PEOPLE!”

 

Ironic post is ironic. 

[washparkhorn 9939]

2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Outrage is a Bernie Bro’s super bowl 

Wait until Trumpkins feel the wrath. 

[bad_teammate 13195]

11 minutes ago, troph said:

You went out of your way to explain your credentials on issues that weren’t germane. That’s pandering.

I did that because you went out of your way to accuse me of "smearing" a trans person. No-win situation at that point for me. Should've just said, "Oh, in that case, I think it's GREAT to have someone in the convention policy committee who is running attack ads against a candidate!"?

Fuck that.

I don't care if you know her. I don't care if you admire her. Your personal relationships and feelings are completely irrelevant to the issue I was discussing and you bringing those things into this is your issue, not mine.

6 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Like, I literally watched them try and shout down those of us furious about the Joe Rogan bullshittery. And when you joined the conversation, the school boy insults stopped, but you were still talked over and then condescended to in an effort to stop a debate they had no business being in.

 

Arguing about shit.... ON MY POLITICS SUBFORUM!?!?

Unthinkable.

Imagine the temerity of these bastard men disagreeing with women in a way that you admit is more polite than usual!

This is basically the Holocaust.

[BradInATX 9208]

Some day my children are going to ask me how a terrible, stupid person like Donald Trump became president for 8 years and I'm going to link them to this thread.

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[bad_teammate 13195]

Hey Andrew... psssst...

[bad_teammate 13195]