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15 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

The Great Depression was even more potent to the great masses, and if we were a few years into it I'd say that the USA would be very open intoxicated by Bernie.

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There are parts of the country in something very much like a Great Depression right now, and have been for years.

Those same parts of the country that decided the last election.

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Posted
1 hour ago, bad_teammate said:

He will try to attack Bernie as a socialist. But whether it lands and whether it hurts are separate questions.

He won't hide from it or apologize, so it won't hurt him among persuadable people who will judge based on the confidence of the attacker/defender. We take our cues from how people react, so if the Sanders campaign and, perhaps more importantly, the Sanders coalition doesn't react like the punch hurt then people won't think it was a hard punch.

Democrats usually collapse in the face of that punch. They fall to the mat. Bernie will smile at it, and the Bros will hoot and holler and post Soviet memes and make a joke out of it.

posting Soviet memes when the Russians are proving to be an existential threat to our elections is a GREAT idea!!!  The laughs will be hilarity.  I can't wait.

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4 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

The Russians are not an "existential threat to our elections".

We are doing a fine job of that on our own.

hilarity!  hahaha, hahahaha.  hahaha. bwhahahahaha.  : - |

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Posted
5 minutes ago, Calihorn said:

Yes, the weakening regional power presents an existential threat to our Democracy.

Because more than half of our populace is too dimwitted to recognize bullshit when they see it.

Posted
1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

Because more than half of our populace is too dimwitted to recognize bullshit when they see it.

That's our own fuckin' fault

Posted
2 minutes ago, Calihorn said:

That's our own fuckin' fault

True, but the sad fact of our national idiocy means Russian meddling will have a deleterious effect on our democracy, failing regional power status notwithstanding.

Posted
Just now, David Dennison said:

True, but the sad fact of our national idiocy means Russian meddling will have a deleterious effect on our democracy, failing regional power status notwithstanding.

We deserve whatever fate awaits us.

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3 minutes ago, Calihorn said:

We deserve whatever fate awaits us.

I tend to agree, which is why Donald Trump's presidency doesn't bother me all that much. Of course, that's the white privilege talking. I understand why minorities in this country are terrified of a second term.

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Posted
21 minutes ago, Calihorn said:

Yes, the weakening regional power presents an existential threat to our Democracy.

pretty much got Donald to the White House.  so yeah, it's a problem.   but then I read every page of the Mueller report so what do I know.

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Just now, troph said:

pretty much got Donald to the White House.  so yeah, it's a problem.   but then I read every page of the Mueller report so what do I know.

That's less of an issue than the idiots that fell for very obvious propaganda.

Posted
1 minute ago, Bama Chick said:

 


Where do you think the propaganda originated from and/or was amplified by?

 

The fact that Russia tried to interfere is far less of an issue than our willfully ignorant electorate.

Posted
39 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

The Russians are not an "existential threat to our elections".

We are doing a fine job of that on our own.

I wonder why the DNC insisted on using Robbie Mook and his app for the primaries and caucuses?

Sanders campaign anticipated the problem and has watchers recording every result to counter fictitious results produced by the app. 

Posted
1 minute ago, Calihorn said:

The fact that Russia tried to interfere is far less of an issue than our willfully ignorant electorate.

Our wilfully ignorant electorate means that anyone who tries to interfere stands a chance at succeeding. Which makes their interference *more* of an issue, not less. Your logic.. isn't.

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Just now, ndawg said:

Our wilfully ignorant electorate means that anyone who tries to interfere stands a chance at succeeding. Which makes their interference *more* of an issue, not less. Your logic.. isn't.

The Russians didn't make us willfully ignorant, we did. The fact that potentially millions of people couldn't tell obvious propaganda from reality is our fault.

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The fear-mongering about populism and populists is hilarious because when you do that what you're advocating is oligarchy and revealing yourself to be completely amoral scum.

Foreign interference in elections has always and will always exist.

Unless the Russians are literally hacking the voting system, they aren't a "threat" to our democracy in any rational context.

Posted
9 minutes ago, Calihorn said:

The Russians didn't make us willfully ignorant, we did. The fact that potentially millions of people couldn't tell obvious propaganda from reality is our fault.

You might want to disentangle the notion of something being an issue from the notion of who is to blame.

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Just now, ndawg said:

You might want to disentangle the notion of something being an issue from the notion of who is to blame.

MY original post for this conversation was mocking the idea Russia poses an existential threat to our Democracy.

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3 minutes ago, Calihorn said:

MY original post for this conversation was mocking the idea Russia poses an existential threat to our Democracy.

And a more balanced perspective is that we have a gaping wound that was self-inflicted, and it's now open season for foreign powers to exploit our weakness. Not to mention, as the impeachment trial closes, it's becoming clear that, for the first time in our history, our government will flat out permit interference.

Nothing about Russia's GDP has anything to do with their capacity to do harm, particularly given that they realistically face zero repercussions for anything they do going forward.

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fivethirtyeight confirms results of unreleased poll in Iowa - 

It is not looking good for Joe.

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FiveThirtyEight can confirm that it contains the correct final findings of the unreleased Iowa poll:

Sanders 22 percent,

Warren 18 percent,

Buttigieg 16 percent,

Biden 13 percent.

Imagine the news cycle that would have been, with national front-runner Biden making such a poor showing in the last, highest-profile poll before the caucuses. 

https://twitter.com/ClareMalone/status/1224485118271803392

 

Posted
1 minute ago, henrygandorf said:

if biden finishes 4th in iowa, expect trump to hit the phones tomorrow to fire up the bernie investigations.

Sanders is already on the RNC radar - confirmed by RNC. Repubs are going with "he's a Soviet stooge."  

Posted
1 minute ago, washparkhorn said:

Sanders is already on the RNC radar - confirmed by RNC. Repubs are going with "he's a Soviet stooge."  

R's be like:  Bernie:

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In a perfect world, everyone not named Sanders and Biden drops out after tonight so the party can get the actual fight over with as quickly as possible before people get so mad that they don't support the eventual nominee.
I'm worried that it's already too late. 
 


I’m highly confident all Democrats will vote and vote Democrat. The middle 10% however....
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55 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

 

Really trivial things that make me surly:  

Dictionary entries that use almost the same word to define the one you're looking for.

*** "ol-i-garch

1. a ruler in an oligarchy."***

If some person happened to be looking up the word oligarch, does Oxford really think they'll know what an oligarchy is?  

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