2020 Democratic Nominee

[GSU&UT 1798]

5 minutes ago, FWD said:

I guess I am old enough to remember all the way back to 2016.

And you've had people do nothing but pledge to defeat Donald Trump in 2020, all these people are not going to stay out. You are wildly speculating if you look at any national polling.

Edited February 20, 2020 by GSU&UT

[gmr548 16580]

I guess I am old enough to remember all the way back to 2016.

You'd have to be Bernie and Trump's age to remember the last time the house flipped in a Presidential election year.

[washparkhorn 9939]

and for the white suburban voters who will vote for Bernie if he is the nominee - thank you. 

[Biff Tannen 45691]

33 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

I think the superdelegates understand that. 

Each superdelegate has the equivalent of at least 10,000 votes. One person - 10,000 votes. 

Sanders tried to eliminate superdelegates. His efforts were thwarted by DNC and Clinton representatives on the committee.

Wat?  I thought we got rid of superdelegates this year. No?

[GSU&UT 1798]

5 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Wat?  I thought we got rid of superdelegates this year. No?

For the first ballot, but after that they can vote. So in other words if there's not a majority of delegates awarded to one person I believe they'll come into play.

[bad_teammate 13216]

Ballot #1 - Pledged delegates are locked into their candidates and they vote
if no majority
Ballot #2 - Pledged delegates can be faithless electors (change to whoever they want) and the superdelegates get to vote

I actually don't know what the process would be if that STILL didn't result in a majority.

I do know this with a very strong certainty. If Bernie goes in with more votes/delegates than anyone else and doesn't get the nomination, there are tens of thousands of Bernie supporters who will either sit out quietly or actively campaign against both Trump AND the elites-selected nominee. Think of it what you will. Feel about it what you will. But we will go to active war with this party.

And this isn't just true of Bernie and his supporters.

If Elizabeth Warren does a Comeback Kid move and makes it to Milwaukee with a plurality and has Pete selected over her, we are going to get PUMA 2.0 and we will have tens/hundreds of thousands of FURIOUS women actively campaigning against Pete.

If Joe Biden comes in with a plurality and Pete is selected over him because the elites think he's losing his mind, it's going to get extremely ugly with the older black community.

And on and on and on.

This should be a foregone conclusion.

A) The delegate winner gets the nomination and we fight for that person.
B) We never, ever, ever support Mike Bloomberg.

These are just common sense at this point.

[ChiTownDoc 21154]

7 hours ago, GSU&UT said:

From an leftist fairly well-off millennial Bernie Bro, none of us honestly think Bernie is going to get things like this passed or even, unfortunately, his single-payer universal healthcare legislation. This is all about resetting what the supposed Democratic party should represent and force it to look more like what the rest of the developed world's "left" parties look like. I posted this in the Bernie thread, but it's what Boots Riley gets at here,

 

I wish people would say that because people run with all kinds of BS propaganda and he doesn't seem to want to stop any of it - he's happy to wear the socialist moniker etc.  He needs to realize he's a serious candidate and will have to play some politics to beat the biggest POS that has ever graced the WH.  I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think a guy as genuine and nice as Bern can win in today's day and age.  Like when BT chastises him for apologizing for stupid shit - don't do that.  Can he play these games?  If he's the guy, I sure hope so. 

Edited February 21, 2020 by ChiTownDoc

[Hank Scorpio 17729]

 

[bad_teammate 13216]

Bernie took Hillary to the wire and completely changed the landscape of the Democratic Party. Within 4 years he has made himself the central energy in basically all of center to center-left to left politics.

Hmmm, I wonder if he knows what he's doing.

lol

[ChiTownDoc 21154]

1 minute ago, bad_teammate said:

Bernie took Hillary to the wire and completely changed the landscape of the Democratic Party. Within 4 years he has made himself the central energy in basically all of center to center-left to left politics.

Hmmm, I wonder if he knows what he's doing.

lol

I'm talking about beating Donald.  Not just the D primary.  I think he needs to start to sharpen his knives.  I'm assuming they're old and cheap...maybe from salvation army.  Either way, super nice guy apologizing all over the place won't beat Donald. 

[Bozo_Casanova 26488]

9 hours ago, GSU&UT said:

My entire point is that people, especially working and lower middle-class people, shouldn't have to rely on the hopes that their employer is going to truly listen to their thoughts and concerns, many of them don't have the luxury of looking for that perfect job.

oh, I completely agree. The vast majority of them should be organizing and bargaining collectively. 

[Biff Tannen 45691]

42 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

I do know this with a very strong certainty. If Bernie goes in with more votes/delegates than anyone else and doesn't get the nomination, there are tens of thousands of Bernie supporters who will either sit out quietly or actively campaign against both Trump AND the elites-selected nominee. Think of it what you will. Feel about it what you will. But we will go to active war with this party.

You're going to focus on a battle and lose the war.

[Doc Sam Beckett 5793]

Just now, Biff Tannen said:

You're going to focus on a battle and lose the war.

Fuck that. He said the same thing about the rest of the candidates and he's right. The DNC has one chance not to shoot themselves in the dick and that is by giving the nomination to who has the most delegates/votes, especially if that candidate has an extensive lead. 

[henrygandorf 29192]

43 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

If Bernie goes in with more votes/delegates than anyone else and doesn't get the nomination, there are tens of thousands of Bernie supporters who will either sit out quietly...

i refuse to believe tens of thousands of disgruntled bernie supporters will do anything quietly. 

[bad_teammate 13216]

3 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

You're going to focus on a battle and lose the war.

What is the war, in your mind?

[Biff Tannen 45691]

Just now, Doc Sam Beckett said:

Fuck that. He said the same thing about the rest of the candidates and he's right. The DNC has one chance not to shoot themselves in the dick and that is by giving the nomination to who has the most delegates/votes, especially if that candidate has an extensive lead. 

I agree the nomination should go to who has the most delegates.  That said, I also think the DNC is less of a threat to this nation than the dotard and the Rs.  If the DNC does what the DNC does, which is generally shoot itself in the dick, I'll still try to save this country.

[wildcat09 29355]

It takes a very unrealistic view of the human race to shit on BT for saying Bernie supporters will be furious and won’t fall in line if he has a delegate lead and the nomination is given to someone else. You can waste time moralizing about how this election is too important and they need to unite with whoever just stole their spot, but that’s not, never has been, and never will be how people work. Expecting otherwise and then getting all pissy when you’re proven wrong would be stupid.

[Biff Tannen 45691]

2 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

 Expecting otherwise and then getting all pissy when you’re proven wrong would be stupid.

 They can be furious.  That doesn't stop this country from falling into authoritarianism.  Whatever, I'll be on the Ledge.

Edited February 21, 2020 by Biff Tannen

[bad_teammate 13216]

What's the long-term war, Biff? What are we aiming for?

[wildcat09 29355]

Just now, Biff Tannen said:

 They can be furious.  That doesn't stop this country from falling into authoritarianism.  Whatever, I'll be on the Ledge.

Of course not. That’s why if Bernie has the delegate lead the DNC has to give him the nomination. The shooting themselves in the dick move at that point would be to give it to anyone else.  I’d like to say I’m confident they understand and won’t do that, but we’re talking about the Democratic Party here.

[Biff Tannen 45691]

2 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

What's the long-term war, Biff? What are we aiming for?

I explained it in the post at the top of the page.

[Aqua Buddha 14598]

What's interesting is Biden's poll numbers.  He's underperformed at every step here and he's still showing +15% in a lot of polls.  Assuming his underperformance holds, where do those numbers go?

[bad_teammate 13216]

4 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

I explained it in the post at the top of the page.

So, this?

That said, I also think the DNC is less of a threat to this nation than the dotard and the Rs.

Trump is a battle, not a war. Hyperbolic drama aside, the nation will exist long after Trump. So that's out as for "war, not battle" logic.

So we're left with the Republicans being a bigger threat.

OK, why? I don't disagree, but I would be interested to know why the Democrats are better. Is it because of the name of the party? Is it because of certain values held? What is it about the Democrats that makes them better?

[Biff Tannen 45691]

1 minute ago, bad_teammate said:

So, this?

That said, I also think the DNC is less of a threat to this nation than the dotard and the Rs.

Trump is a battle, not a war. Hyperbolic drama aside, the nation will exist long after Trump. So that's out as for "war, not battle" logic.

So we're left with the Republicans being a bigger threat.

OK, why? I don't disagree, but I would be interested to know why the Democrats are better. Is it because of the name of the party? Is it because of certain values held? What is it about the Democrats that makes them better?

I'm going out for the night, but off the top of my head, the Dems actually believe in the rule of law.  That's kind of important.

[bad_teammate 13216]

1 minute ago, Biff Tannen said:

I'm going out for the night, but off the top of my head, the Dems actually believe in the rule of law.  That's kind of important.

And what happens when the leader of the Democratic Party is someone who literally buys his way past term limits so he can maintain power?

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

2 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

And what happens when the leader of the Democratic Party is someone who literally buys his way past term limits so he can maintain power?

We release the Kraken. 
 

Seriously, though. Things will probably clarify after March 3rd. 
 

[hobbes2702 13045]

1 hour ago, FWD said:

The Dem House majority is built on the swing of moderate suburbanites from R to D. If Sanders is on the ballot those voters will swing right back from D to R. Any other Dem nominee and the House is safe.

No it won’t. Just stop. You’re wrong.

[hobbes2702 13045]

34 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

I agree the nomination should go to who has the most delegates.  That said, I also think the DNC is less of a threat to this nation than the dotard and the Rs.  If the DNC does what the DNC does, which is generally shoot itself in the dick, I'll still try to save this country.

You’re really going out on a limb there

[JimmyJames 12271]

11 hours ago, GSU&UT said:

Pretty sure Germany has a law where workers reps must occupy 50% or 51% of a board's makeup. The idea is that the board doesn't completely fuck over the workers who get absolutely no say when we've been gutting unions since Reagan.

Yeah but we beat those krauts in WW2 so they don’t know shit.

This is ‘Merica! Not only did we beat the krauts but we elected a reality star to be the president who has only filed for bankruptcy seven times. So obviously we know that their union board member shit is all retarded. 

[bad_teammate 13216]

30 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

We release the Kraken. 

It's too late then. Bloomberg will already have the levers of power, the money to maintain and extend that power, and the willingness to spend everything he needs to.

[GSU&UT 1798]

57 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

I agree the nomination should go to who has the most delegates.  That said, I also think the DNC is less of a threat to this nation than the dotard and the Rs.  If the DNC does what the DNC does, which is generally shoot itself in the dick, I'll still try to save this country.

I seriously doubt if Bernie has the plurality of delegates that they won't fall in line and award him the nomination. They may be inept but they are not this stupid given how many people blame Bernie supporters for not voting for Hillary, they would be completely give them a bigger reason to do so again. I almost believe, at least given dumb rumors I've seen online, that they would be more likely to screw over Bloomberg if he got the plurality of delegates.

[washparkhorn 9939]

1 hour ago, ChiTownDoc said:

I'm talking about beating Donald.  Not just the D primary.  I think he needs to start to sharpen his knives.  I'm assuming they're old and cheap...maybe from salvation army.  Either way, super nice guy apologizing all over the place won't beat Donald. 

The war on "GOP truth" is well underway. There are no apologies. With the Democratic nomination, 99% of Sanders's supporters have an eye on unity.

With Trump, there are gettables, those who are discouraged and ashamed, goofballs, and those making money off that enterprise. 

It is not too early for anyone serious about beating Trump to engage. You might be surprised how shallow and narrow his support really is.  

 

Edited February 21, 2020 by washparkhorn

[workswithseed 2112]

I'd be okay with any other candidate other than Bernie. Bernie would actually scare the hell out of me.

[henrygandorf 29192]

54 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

So we're left with the Republicans being a bigger threat.

OK, why?

if trump/mcconnell get to replace 1+ more judge we’re in deep fucking shit for a couple decades. 

any effort by the dems that doesn’t start with beating trump is misguided. 

this isn’t about principles. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

27 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

I'd be okay with any other candidate other than Bernie. Bernie would actually scare the hell out of me.

Head to HEB and get some depends. 

[workswithseed 2112]

2 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

Head to HEB and get some depends. 

Shit, I wish a HEB was by me.

[JimmyJames 12271]

Starting to see Tom Steyer ads here in Texas. He seems like a nicer guy than the constant Bloomberg “I’m pretty much a stiff billionaire” ads but I really don’t know what he’s doing here as I can’t see him getting much of the vote. 

And as for the debate, when Bloomberg qualified for the Nevada debate I thought to myself why would he want to subject himself to that when he’s just gaining ground in the polls spending a billion dollars on ads. Guess I was right. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

1 minute ago, workswithseed said:

Shit, I wish a HEB was by me.

You in DFW? HEB is the best grocery store on the planet. Every time I go to Dallas I’m reminded of that fact. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

[henrygandorf 29192]

well you can’t take it with you. 

[workswithseed 2112]

1 minute ago, JimmyJames said:

You in DFW? HEB is the best grocery store on the planet. Every time I go to Dallas I’m reminded of that fact. 

No I live in Portland. I used to live in Denton. It was always great to go south on 35 for HEB.

[bonnieblue 542]

This may not even be possible (I'm assuming with the various viability thresholds it would be), but what does the DNC do (other than likely shoot themselves in the dick) if one candidate goes out with the plurality of delegates but another has the popular vote?

[washparkhorn 9939]

37 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

I'd be okay with any other candidate other than Bernie. Bernie would actually scare the hell out of me.

You are in Portland?

Hell, Sanders is a rightist in Portland. 

 

[JimmyJames 12271]

4 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

You are in Portland?

Hell, Sanders is a rightist in Portland. 

 

Ever been to reed college? Bernie would be considered tucker Carlson at that place 

[ChiTownDoc 21154]

17 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

No I live in Portland. I used to live in Denton. It was always great to go south on 35 for HEB.

Except when they're closed. 

[cactusflinthead 27601]

 

[bad_teammate 13216]

if trump/mcconnell get to replace 1+ more judge we’re in deep fucking shit for a couple decades. 
any effort by the dems that doesn’t start with beating trump is misguided. 
this isn’t about principles. 

What kind of judges do you think Bloomberg is going to put in?

[henrygandorf 29192]

4 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

1 hour ago, henrygandorf said:

if trump/mcconnell get to replace 1+ more judge we’re in deep fucking shit for a couple decades. 
any effort by the dems that doesn’t start with beating trump is misguided. 
this isn’t about principles. 

What kind of judges do you think Bloomberg is going to put in?

pro-choice moderate types i would assume.  i have no idea. 

i don’t like him either, but comparing him to trump is a joke. 

[bad_teammate 13216]

pro-choice moderate types i would assume.  i have no idea. 
i don’t like him either, but comparing him to trump is a joke. 

Do you think corruption and political spending will be litmus tests?

[henrygandorf 29192]

Just now, bad_teammate said:

17 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

pro-choice moderate types i would assume.  i have no idea. 
i don’t like him either, but comparing him to trump is a joke. 

Do you think corruption and political spending will be litmus tests?

you asked a question. i answered it. accurately. 

so what are we talking about now?