2020 Democratic Nominee

[Hank Kingsley 21089]

Bernie got 13+ million votes in the 2016 primary. He's been organizing and building this for 5+ years. He has almost 100% name recognition. And he's built an impressive grassroots organization. 

99.5% of Americans didn't know who Pete Buttigieg was a year ago. He entered the race with $70k and a staff of 3 people. If the expectation is he should be building his fundraising campaign like Bernie, then it's an unfair and disingenuous argument. 

[bad_teammate 13303]

No it's not, he could've spent time building a credible and legitimate resume for the grassroots audience (not just the Goldman-Sachs audience) and earned it over time like Bernie did.

[Hank Kingsley 21089]

7 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

No it's not, he could've spent time building a credible and legitimate resume for the grassroots audience (not just the Goldman-Sachs audience) and earned it over time like Bernie did.

He's doing it, jackass. 

He has almost a million individual donors. If your argument is he shouldn't be running for president until he has an a grassroots army ready to fund him on Day 1, that's horseshit. 

 

Edited February 22, 2020 by Hank Kingsley

[Hank Kingsley 21089]

Let's not forget that there were 25+ candidates in this primary at one point. This isn't as simple as donating to just Hillary or Bernie in 2016. 

A little baby boy mayor has had the 3rd strongest grassroots organization out of all of the candidates, behind Bernie and Warren (who both transferred $10+ million from Senate war chests to the primary).  He built a bigger and stronger grassroots organization than Senators, a VP, and Congresspeople. 

 

 

[Pancho 45481]

Not a good look for Bern

 

The Dem establishment gave us Civil Rights and Voting Rights.  What's the purpose of this tweet? 

[Zonahorn 8079]

12 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Not a good look for Bern

 

The Dem establishment gave us Civil Rights and Voting Rights.  What's the purpose of this tweet? 

The fuck they did. It was enormous pressure from the civil rights movement itself.

[softlynow 1848]

12 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Not a good look for Bern

 

The Dem establishment gave us Civil Rights and Voting Rights.  What's the purpose of this tweet? 

He thinks Joe Rogan independents/apathetics will carry him to victory. 

[Pancho 45481]

2 minutes ago, Calihorn said:

The fuck they did. It was enormous pressure from the civil rights movement itself.

Are you mansplaning a civil rights issue to me, a black?  

And it can be both.  Those things aren't mutually exclusive. 

[6th Street 6593]

17 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Not a good look for Bern

 

The Dem establishment gave us Civil Rights and Voting Rights.  What's the purpose of this tweet? 

Why is Sanders always whining? Angry old man 

I mean compare that with "Yes we can" by Obama.

Edited February 22, 2020 by 6th Street

[David Dennison 19121]

3 minutes ago, Calihorn said:

The fuck they did. It was enormous pressure from the civil rights movement itself.

And LBJ became president. That probably mattered more than anything else in getting legislation through the Senate.

[Zonahorn 8079]

23 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Are you mansplaning a civil rights issue to me, a black?  

And it can be both.  Those things aren't mutually exclusive. 

The establishment didn't do shit except sign those bills. No, they are mutually exclusive.

 

21 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

And LBJ became president. That probably mattered more than anything else in getting legislation through the Senate.

Not civil rights supporter LBJ

[triplehorn 2664]

29 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

Why is Sanders always whining? Angry old man 

I mean compare that with "Yes we can" by Obama.

I’m reminded now of what HRC said about Sanders last month that “nobody likes him” (within Congress).  Sanders has some legit personality flaws.  Followers don’t necessarily see it until Sanders publicly says something like in that tweet.  The reality is this is probably a more common dynamic out of the public eye than we know.  It’s a vulnerability and I wouldn’t be surprised to hear a lot more about this if/once he’s the nominee.  HRC out front, you know.

[Hank Scorpio 17731]

 

[TwiceHorn 31686]

13 hours ago, troph said:

Semi older article .... but this strikes me why I like Warren over Sanders:

 

 

 

 

 

23 minutes ago, triplehorn said:

I’m reminded now of what HRC said about Sanders last month that “nobody likes him” (within Congress).  Sanders has some legit personality flaws.  Followers don’t necessarily see it until Sanders publicly says something like in that tweet.  The reality is this is probably a more common dynamic out of the public eye than we know.  It’s a vulnerability and I wouldn’t be surprised to hear a lot more about this if/once he’s the nominee.  HRC out front, you know.

Yeah, Warren is pretty prickly herself, but I have this spidey sense, I can't prove it (and I'm sure someone will be along shortly to attempt to disprove it), that she would be more effective implementing her policies than Sanders, even the ones that are practically identical.

[BrickHorn 18321]

10 minutes ago, Hank Scorpio said:

 

That Dumbass Shit I Saw on Twitter.

[6th Street 6593]

32 minutes ago, triplehorn said:

I’m reminded now of what HRC said about Sanders last month that “nobody likes him” (within Congress).  Sanders has some legit personality flaws.  Followers don’t necessarily see it until Sanders publicly says something like in that tweet.  The reality is this is probably a more common dynamic out of the public eye than we know.  It’s a vulnerability and I wouldn’t be surprised to hear a lot more about this if/once he’s the nominee.  HRC out front, you know.

Seems like he's always out playing the victim - which is fine if he's down, but with a commanding lead in the polls it makes no sense. The next 2-3 months need to be spent building a coalition of supporters by broadening the base, not alienating "establishment" Democrats. 

[gmr548 16641]

 

@bad_teammate doxxed

[pyrohornIII 4839]

16 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I will do my part to help Bernie, but having to answer "don't worry, he's not gonna be able to pass anything" when skeptics/detractors complain about his policies will be awkward. 

 

Nothing is getting passed now.  Gridlock won't change no matter who takes office.  It's all done by executive order.  Then undone, then redone.  

16 hours ago, washparkhorn said:

Try this out on yourself:

This times 100.   This is the message we need to be working, to offset the crap about socialism.   I mean for older people it does reignite visions of hiding under school desks waiting for a nuke to drop.    Now our kids hide under desks from unhinged shooters.   And Trump continues to tout MAGA and KAG.   But he only wants to return to more racism, more homophobia, more class-ism.  He could care less about improving the standards of living for anyone but himself and those he wishes to impress.  We all need to be working to get a clearer picture of socialism and how it has applied to our country, and can again.

14 hours ago, washparkhorn said:

That is what I am seeing in Southern California and Colorado, as well. But almost no bumper stickers or yard signs for any candidate. Thanks.

The enthusiasm for Trump is less apparent than it was in 2016. Trump rallies have a dedicated group of people of 5-10% who go to every event they can. Fascinating group of supporters.

https://www.openpolitics.com/links/its-kind-of-like-an-addiction-on-the-road-with-trumps-rally-diehards/

 

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‘It’s Kind of Like an Addiction’: On the Road With Trump’s Rally Diehards

A small band of the president’s most devoted fans will do whatever it takes to attend his campaign rallies

Libby DePiero once drove her Ford Focus so far to attend a Trump campaign rally—about 1,000 miles from her home in Connecticut to Indiana—that when she lay in bed that night she thought the twitching in her driving leg was coming from an animal under the mattress.

The 64-year-old retiree, who prefers sparkly nail polish, leopard prints and selfies with Trump campaign officials, is almost always one of the first few people in line at the president’s campaign events, part of the self-described group of “Front Row Joes” who routinely travel to see the president perform. Several, like Ms. DePiero, have attended more than 50 Trump rallies.

She keeps going because she trusts only the president to deliver her the news. “How else would I know what’s going on?” she said.

Mr. Trump has hosted more than 550 ticketed campaign events since 2015, at least 70% of which include his trademark rallies, according to Republican officials. These rallies form the core of one of the most steadfast political movements in modern American political history, a dynamic that has reordered the Republican Party.

Randal Thom showing a ‘Front Row Joes’ bracelet and pin, as well as a Trump flag, in Cincinnati in late July.PHOTOS: LUKE SHARRETT FOR THE WALL STREET JOURNAL

Mr. Trump’s perpetual tour attracts a coterie of political pilgrims who travel across the country and encamp outside arenas for days at a time for the chance to stand in the front row and, for 90 minutes, cheer the man they say has changed the U.S. and, in many cases, their own lives. Somewhere between 5% to 10% of attendees have been to multiple events, the officials said.

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“You go to the rallies, and he basically tells you that you don’t have to put up with ‘the swamp’ and those kinds of people,” said Saundra Kiczenski, a 40-year-old Walmart worker from Michigan who has been to 29 rallies. “Because of him I decided not to pay for Obamacare, not pay the fine. And what happened? Nothing. Before, the quiet me would have paid the fine. But Donald Trump told me that we have a voice, and now I stand up for myself.”

The Trump rally die-hards—a few dozen men and women who have been to more than 10 rallies—are almost exclusively white. Many are recently retired with time on their hands and little to keep them tied to home. A handful never had children. Others are estranged from their families.

Several of those with jobs live paycheck to paycheck, but constantly offer strangers a cold beverage, sandwiches or their last cigarette.

Some rely on disability payments, like Cynthia Barten, or cut lawns in Missouri, like her husband, Ken Barten. Others sell secondhand items in Kentucky like Jon French, or find odd jobs such as clearing rocks from farmland in Minnesota, like Randal Thom. Kevin Steele quit his job and plans to finance his travels to Trump rallies with the remaining $120,000 from an inheritance.

The group includes Trump aficionados, who have spent decades keeping tabs on his history of political flirtations, tabloid melodrama and star turns on reality television. A surprising number voted for Barack Obama at least once, caught up in the Democrat’s charisma and fed up with Republicans over foreign adventurism and growing national debt.

 

 

 

 

Libby DePiero, a retiree from Connecticut, has attended more than 50 Trump rallies.

Rally regulars stay connected through Facebook and text messages, pinging one another to see who is attending the next rally, who can carpool and who wants to split a hotel room.

Ms. DePiero broke up a 700-mile drive to the Cincinnati rally on Aug. 1 by spending the night with Becky Gee, a northeast Ohio dairy farmer she met at a previous Trump rally. She stayed with Barbara Bienkowski in Maryland (they met at Trump Hotel in Washington earlier this year), on her way to the Greenville, N.C., rally on July 17 and stayed in Myrtle Beach, S.C., with Dale Ranney, another Front Row Joe, on the way home.

Two regular rallygoers have already married, and divorced.

All of them describe, in different ways, a euphoric flow of emotions between themselves and the president, a sort of adrenaline-fueled, psychic cleansing that follows 90 minutes of chanting and cheering with 15,000 other like-minded Trump junkies.

“Once you start going, it’s kind of like an addiction, honestly,” said April Owens, a 49-year-old financial manager in Kingsport, Tenn., who has been to 11 rallies. “I love the energy. I wouldn’t stand in line for 26 hours to see any rock band. He’s the only person I would do this for, and I’ll be here as many times as I can.”

For many Front Row Joes, the Trump era marks their political awakening. Among the first Americans to identify the resonance and endurance of Mr. Trump’s political appeal, they are reveling in the victory. Like Mr. Trump on stage, each recounts the Election Night triumph without any prompting.

In Orlando, Fla., Trump fans sat in a field adjacent to Amway Center in June, about to get soaked by the second downpour in as many days. Still, they wore sunglasses and smiles as outdoor speakers pumped out “Sweet Home Alabama” and “Hurts So Good.” Head shakes and patronizing laughs greeted questions about which Democrat might beat Mr. Trump.

President Trump arriving at a rally in Manchester, N.H., in mid-August. PHOTO: CHERYL SENTER FOR THE WALL STREET JOURNAL

Michael Telesca, a middle-school teacher at the front of the line in Greenville, compared the experience to following Bruce Springsteen.

“You come to the show, and you know exactly what you’re going to get—all of the hits and maybe a few surprises, too,” said Mr. Telesca, whose bushy brown hair is graying at the temples.

The surprise in Greenville wasn’t from Mr. Trump, but the crowd as it debuted a “send her back” chant. The chant erupted as Mr. Trump was criticizing Rep. Ilhan Omar (D., Minn.). Three days earlier, Mr. Trump had tweeted that Ms. Omar and three other liberal congresswomen, all women of color, should “go back” to unspecified countries. The four women are American citizens and three of them were born in the U.S.

Before the rally, more than a dozen supporters said they would never use that racist language to denounce minorities. Inside Williams Arena, many participated in the chant that mirrored it. “It was like a tornado when ‘send her back’ started. I was looking around and people were loving it,” Ms. DePiero said.

The regulars who arrived early at rallies—often before campaign officials or local law enforcement—hurried to set up tents and organize their belongings. The Bartens, who drove their Dodge minivan seven hours from St. Louis to be first in line in Cincinnati, unfolded a table and set down a deep-cycle military battery, a camp stove for turkey melts, a string of LED festoon lights and a half-empty pack of Edgefield cigarettes.

They mingled until doors opened, then rushed to the front row on the arena floor. But not necessarily center-stage.

Libby DePiero and husband, Brian, head to the VIP section of President Trump’s campaign event at the SNHU Arena in Manchester, N.H. PHOTO: CHERYL SENTER FOR THE WALL STREET JOURNAL

Some, like, Shane Doyle, prefer the side where Mr. Trump first appears from behind the curtains. “Back in the primary, I used to like being the first one when he came out, because he would sign all my stuff,” said Mr. Doyle, a 24-year-old machinist from Buffalo, N.Y.

Just before midnight on the eve of the Cincinnati rally, about two dozen fans lounged in lawn chairs or leaned on metal bike racks, scrolling through their phones and sipping from cans of Coors Light. A soft brown blanket covered Ms. Barten and her 12-year-old granddaughter, who slept sitting up in her camp chair.

The 57-year-old Air Force veteran’s disability check is reduced by $5 every month by an automatic donation to the Trump campaign.

“We’re not rich by any means,” Ms. Barten said. “But I’ll tell you what: When we’re rich in our hearts with our country and our president, we’re richer than anybody.”

 

 

I see the hats and the tee shirts daily.  Worn by both sexes.  Rural kids to Old white boomers.  Trump stickers on POS cars and signs in front of dilapidated trailers.  It's amazing.   But again, the denominator is education.  

[David Dennison 19121]

I drove through Hays County the other day.

They really, really, really like Trump down there. Holy shit the signs and billboards.

[gmr548 16641]

I drove through Hays County the other day.
They really, really, really like Trump down there. Holy shit the signs and billboards.

And he's going to lose Hays County.

[babysdaddy 2730]

Are you mansplaning a civil rights issue to me, a black?  
And it can be both.  Those things aren't mutually exclusive. 

Bernsplaining. When you don’t have the same viewpoint as a Bro and they mock your intelligence and take note of who you intend to vote for.

Btw, Will the Bros be handing out pieces of flare for non bros in January of 2021?

[Zonahorn 8079]

10 minutes ago, babysdaddy said:

Bernsplaining. When you don’t have the same viewpoint as a Bro and they mock your intelligence and take note of who you intend to vote for.

Btw, Will the Bros be handing out pieces of flare for non bros in January of 2021?

Your strawman is stupid.

[GSU&UT 1798]

How many people are in the party right now that literally voted on the civil rights legislation? The establishment of the party has significantly moved towards the center, this is a fact and it is what Bernie is speaking to. 

[ClubWhatever 12159]

Antidisestablishmentarianism talk not going away 

[bad_teammate 13303]

2 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

He's doing it, jackass. 

If the "it" in "He's doing it" refers to following in Bernie's footsteps, no Pete's fucking not.

While it's true that Pete's got a lot of grassroots donors, he's also doing private fundraisers for the worst capital vultures imaginable and making them his campaign's policy director. He's not giving his private time to the $5 donors; he's selling it for big checks.

Bernie never did that. Decades and decades of consistent commitment to the working class and a deep knowledge that big money corrupts.

This is all just true. Get mad all you want, but I'm right and you know I'm right.

He doesn't have to wait until he has a grassroots army to run. I never said that. I never said he shouldn't run, either. It's a free country.

He's free to kickstart his national political career with a boost from the vampire capital class. I'm free to tell the truth.

FREEDOM!

Pete is a poor man's Obama. That's fine, but that's all he is.

2 hours ago, 6th Street said:

Why is Sanders always whining? Angry old man 

That's not whining, that's him slapping his dick on the table and telling the corporate elites to suck it.

The only whining involved in this is the laughable reaction in this thread.

If you don't consider yourself part of party establishment, why does this offend you (and so many others)?

[bad_teammate 13303]

17 minutes ago, GSU&UT said:

How many people are in the party right now that literally voted on the civil rights legislation? The establishment of the party has significantly moved towards the center, this is a fact and it is what Bernie is speaking to. 

The current Democratic establishment isn't tied to LBJ, it's tied to this...

[GSU&UT 1798]

I can completely understand if you don't like Sanders because of his messaging and you shouldn't vote for him if you really don't want to, but this is what he has been saying since 2016 and I don't expect him to stop now especially as he's gaining in polls.

[6th Street 6593]

24 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

If the "it" in "He's doing it" refers to following in Bernie's footsteps, no Pete's fucking not.

While it's true that Pete's got a lot of grassroots donors, he's also doing private fundraisers for the worst capital vultures imaginable and making them his campaign's policy director. He's not giving his private time to the $5 donors; he's selling it for big checks.

Bernie never did that. Decades and decades of consistent commitment to the working class and a deep knowledge that big money corrupts.

This is all just true. Get mad all you want, but I'm right and you know I'm right.

He doesn't have to wait until he has a grassroots army to run. I never said that. I never said he shouldn't run, either. It's a free country.

He's free to kickstart his national political career with a boost from the vampire capital class. I'm free to tell the truth.

FREEDOM!

Pete is a poor man's Obama. That's fine, but that's all he is.

That's not whining, that's him slapping his dick on the table and telling the corporate elites to suck it.

The only whining involved in this is the laughable reaction in this thread.

If you don't consider yourself part of party establishment, why does this offend you (and so many others)?

Barack Obama is part of the party establishment and he fucking cleaned up in '08 and '12. He had an uplifting message that United voters rather than this divisive rhetoric that you hear from Sanders which will ultimately cost him in the general election.

[bad_teammate 13303]

Just now, 6th Street said:

Barack Obama is part of the party establishment and he fucking cleaned up in '08 and '12. He had an uplifting message that United voters rather than this divisive rhetoric that you hear from Sanders which will ultimately cost him in the general election.

What percentage of the voting masses do you think gives a shit about whether or not the party establishment is being coddled and praised?

Don't mistake your wishful thinking for quality punditry.

This is the same "HOW DARE YOU SIR" playbook that the establishment and Hillary used in 2016 to perform poorly against an ancient nobody from Vermont in the primary and then fucking lose a general to Trump.

Learn lessons. Or don't, it just makes it easier for Bernie.

[bad_teammate 13303]

lol the replies to Bernie's anti-establishment Tweet are fucking hilarious

WE STAN ELITE POWER STRUCTURES

[JimmyJames 12271]

6 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

Barack Obama is part of the party establishment and he fucking cleaned up in '08 and '12. He had an uplifting message that United voters rather than this divisive rhetoric that you hear from Sanders which will ultimately cost him in the general election.

So were you gonna vote for Bernie but because of his “divisive rhetoric” you’re gonna vote for the great uniter trump instead? 
 

Trumpkins are gonna vote for dear leader and everyone else is gonna vote for the dem even if David Berkowitz wins the nomination at a brokered convention with the dead corpse of Jeffrey Epstein as his running mate. 

[Pancho 45481]

2 hours ago, Calihorn said:

The establishment didn't do shit except sign those bills. No, they are mutually exclusive.

 

Not civil rights supporter LBJ

 

A white bro mansplaning the Civil Rights movement to me, a Black dude whose grandma was *checks notes* actually part of the Civil Rights movement. 

[bad_teammate 13303]

Who was the mayor of Chicago at the time of this photo?

lol

[Zonahorn 8079]

13 minutes ago, Pancho said:

 

A white bro mansplaning the Civil Rights movement to me, a Black dude whose grandma was *checks notes* actually part of the Civil Rights movement. 

Yup, people like Malcolm X and MLK were definitely part of the mainstream establishment and the civil rights movement itself was definitely a mainstream position. 

[David Dennison 19121]

Fun fact of the day: LBJ was the last Democratic nominee to win the white vote. 

 

[bad_teammate 13303]

When Bernie says "the Democratic Party establishment", who and what do you guys think he means?

[David Dennison 19121]

2 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

When Bernie says "the Democratic Party establishment", who and what do you guys think he means?

He means the Democratic Party, its leadership, and those voters and donors who support the Democratic Party and its leadership.

[triplehorn 2664]

Sanders taking swipes at Dem establishment with less than 1% of delegates decided and multiple candidate withdrawals yet to happen could have an effect on where the primary current flows.

[Brisketexan 105580]

When Bernie says "the Democratic Party establishment", who and what do you guys think he means?

Anyone who doesn’t 100% support Bernie over all others.
Those of us who have been paying attention know how the “cult of personality” script plays out; it’s been run pretty consistently these days.
Purity tests of loyalty to “candidate-ism” - we’re watching them play out on two different fronts now, and we find it problematic. But keep on keeping on. And when Bernie loses because he told everyone who’s not all-in on drinking his kool-aid to fuck off, we fully expect that you’ll lecture us all on how we’re the real morons, and Bernie’s too good for us. Fascinating to watch Democratic candidates in successive elections set themselves up to lose because of arrogance (somewhat different flavors of arrogance, but arrogance just the same).
Yeah, yeah, spend 8 paragraphs telling me how wrong I am about the One True God Bernie, but zero paragraphs realizing that Bernie and his supporters have a real fucking weakness here.

[David Dennison 19121]

3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Anyone who doesn’t 100% support Bernie over all others.
Those of us who have been paying attention know how the “cult of personality” script plays out; it’s been run pretty consistently these days.
Purity tests of loyalty to “candidate-ism” - we’re watching them play out on two different fronts now, and we find it problematic. But keep on keeping on. And when Bernie loses because he told everyone who’s not all-in on drinking his kool-aid to fuck off, we fully expect that you’ll lecture us all on how we’re the real morons, and Bernie’s too good for us. Fascinating to watch Democratic candidates in successive elections set themselves up to lose because of arrogance (somewhat different flavors of arrogance, but arrogance just the same).
Yeah, yeah, spend 8 paragraphs telling me how wrong I am about the One True God Bernie, but zero paragraphs realizing that Bernie and his supporters have a real fucking weakness here.

Democrats lose elections because white people are racist.

It's as simple as that, really.

[Aqua Buddha 14654]

23 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Anyone who doesn’t 100% support Bernie over all others.
Those of us who have been paying attention know how the “cult of personality” script plays out; it’s been run pretty consistently these days.
Purity tests of loyalty to “candidate-ism” - we’re watching them play out on two different fronts now, and we find it problematic. But keep on keeping on. And when Bernie loses because he told everyone who’s not all-in on drinking his kool-aid to fuck off, we fully expect that you’ll lecture us all on how we’re the real morons, and Bernie’s too good for us. Fascinating to watch Democratic candidates in successive elections set themselves up to lose because of arrogance (somewhat different flavors of arrogance, but arrogance just the same).
Yeah, yeah, spend 8 paragraphs telling me how wrong I am about the One True God Bernie, but zero paragraphs realizing that Bernie and his supporters have a real fucking weakness here.

I like how Bernie isn't even a Democrat but him and his are continually lecturing Democrats about being Democrats.

[JimmyJames 12271]

1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

Fun fact of the day: LBJ was the last Democratic nominee to win the white vote. 

 

Passing the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 was pretty remarkable because: (1) probably only LBJ could have pulled it off and (2) it was the end of the road for white America supporting the Democratic Party. In hindsight LBJ got a pretty bad rap, due to Vietnam of course. 
 

Yeah but Johnny sack holds the door open for black women at restaurants so no problems with racism in America anymore.  
 

 

Edited February 22, 2020 by JimmyJames

[troph 24929]

I'm just here to banter and win arguments?

That's not ALL of it, of course, I've got plenty of sincere effortposts to my name, but yeah I enjoy the sparring and things are kind of working out well in favor of the candidate I have emotionally invested in and not for the candidates many of you have invested in. (And, in a larger sense, the movement I'm invested in is doing well against movements many of y'all are invested in.)
On the issue of outside spending, though... I'm just right.
Bernie's support is grassroots, working class, young, and diverse. Bernie's outside spending is tens of thousands spent on some radio ads, some Facebook ads, t-shirts, and food/lodging/travel for people who want to travel to a different state to canvas.
Joe and Liz and Pete, on the other hand, have tapped rich white people to raise millions to spend on radio, Facebook, and TV ads.
Which is fine and legal. Go for it. But if you honestly want to try to lump those two sets of things in together and get upset when someone points out that they're actually very different you're in for a long(er) and bumpy(ier) ride.
“None of that money went to slick TV ad makers, and none of it came from secretive right-wing billionaires, unlike the enormous amounts of cash pushed into Super PAC’s on behalf of corrupt, fossil fuel-funded politicians,” he (Stephen O’Hanlon, communications director of the youth-led climate group the Sunrise Movement) said. “Our grassroots-funded and entirely youth-run operation just exists to help young people knock on doors, make calls, distribute Green New Deal campaign literature, and send texts to boost our candidates nationwide who will fight for our generation.”
and
Nailah Summers, communications director of the Dream Defenders, told Sludge about the group’s super PAC’s organizing efforts.
“We’re knocking doors, phone banking, throwing events in communities all over Florida,” she said. “One of our organizers is from Sanford, Florida and he’s putting together a basketball tournament called ‘Ballin’ for Bernie’ there. We’re throwing events on campuses at HBCUs and most of the major colleges in Florida. We’re sending a bus of our members to canvass for Bernie in South Carolina ahead of their primary.”
“We are an organization made up of young, working-class people of color,” Summers continued. “Our organization is run by young black women. We are immigrants and people affected by the criminal justice system. Many of us don’t have insurance. We’ve got queer, gender-non-conforming and trans members. We’ve got members taking care of their aging family members. We’ve got people in our organization working 2 and 3 jobs. We live in superfund sites. We’re pretty much all drowning in student debt. Our lives are deeply, deeply affected by who wins this election. We are fighting for our safety, for our livelihoods, for the families we represent. We are keenly aware of what the stakes are in this election. So no, it isn’t fair to lump us in with the likes of Wall Street or billionaires who want to maintain the status quo. It’s because of the status quo that we’re in this mess and we have a vested interest in dismantling it.”
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

TL,DR

[troph 24929]

And LBJ became president. That probably mattered more than anything else in getting legislation through the Senate.

And a Democrat. With the public support and a majority in both houses the Dems can do a lot of progressive good work.

[troph 24929]

How many people are in the party right now that literally voted on the civil rights legislation? The establishment of the party has significantly moved towards the center, this is a fact and it is what Bernie is speaking to. 

What are you talking about? The 60’s are a long time ago. People die. But Pelosi had the Federal Equality Act passed in the house in a matter of weeks after taking over the Speakership. You know, the modernization of the Civil Rights Act including sexual orientation and gender identity and other categories too.

[bad_teammate 13303]

1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

He means the Democratic Party, its leadership, and those voters and donors who support the Democratic Party and its leadership.

So you think he's talking about voters? Like you genuinely believe that's who is intending to refer to?

1 hour ago, triplehorn said:

Sanders taking swipes at Dem establishment with less than 1% of delegates decided and multiple candidate withdrawals yet to happen could have an effect on where the primary current flows.

How?

58 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Anyone who doesn’t 100% support Bernie over all others.

So, like David, you think he's referring to actual voters and not just figures within positions of organizational power within the party structure?

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1 minute ago, troph said:

What are you talking about? The 60’s are a long time ago. People die. But Pelosi had the Federal Equality Act passed in the house in a matter of weeks after taking over the Speakership. You know, the modernization of the Civil Rights Act including sexual orientation and gender identity and other categories too.

and I'm speaking to the idea that Bernie is somehow going to undo all the work the Democratic party has done just because he used the phrase "Democratic establishment." It's foolish and grasping at straws.

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2 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

What percentage of the voting masses do you think gives a shit about whether or not the party establishment is being coddled and praised?

Don't mistake your wishful thinking for quality punditry.

This is the same "HOW DARE YOU SIR" playbook that the establishment and Hillary used in 2016 to perform poorly against an ancient nobody from Vermont in the primary and then fucking lose a general to Trump.

Learn lessons. Or don't, it just makes it easier for Bernie.

I mean you can get angry and downplay it all you want. But if Sanders has any shot at winning this election he will have to broaden his base.

He is in no position to be alienating any voting blocs. 

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and I'm speaking to the idea that Bernie is somehow going to undo all the work the Democratic party has done just because he used the phrase "Democratic establishment." It's foolish and grasping at straws.

You said the establishment is in the center. The bills passed by the house in the last 18 months don’t support that unless you think the DSA is center left, it’s far left. Dems are farther left than 20 years ago, thankfully.

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2 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

But if Sanders has any shot at winning this election he will have to broaden his base.

Why are you giving this advice about the guy who won the first two votes and looks to be winning the third? Maybe he knows what he's doing? lol