Jump to content

2020 Democratic Nominee

used2b

By used2b
in Cloak Room

 Share

Recommended Posts

  • Replies 23.3k
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

  • bad_teammate

    3638

  • Hugo Stiglitz

    2212

  • Hank Kingsley

    1252

  • Js1

    1230

Popular Days

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Popular Posts

Huckleberry
Huckleberry

No it doesn't, this is absurd selfishness on a grand scale. Nobody is getting punished. My wife and I paid off our student loans, and you know what I think about younger people or even those in our ge

henrygandorf
henrygandorf

i’ve really enjoyed the 900 posts from bt explaining how bernie people aren’t aggressive, obsessive, and very-online.  truly a learning experience. 

Bill Clinton
Bill Clinton

3rd or 4th thread but whos counting.  Name recognition and ability to collect money is most important to the Democratic Party. They aren't trying to win 2020, they are trying to rebuild and colle

Posted Images

troph

troph 24,854

Posted
Posted
1 hour ago, AeroHorn said:

Well, this just part of the story that Hillary highlighted and mainstream media ran with it.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/24/16194086/bernie-trump-voters-study

“Moreover, defections from a primary to general election are common. More voters went from Hillary Clinton to John McCain in 2008 than went from Sanders to Trump in 2016; about 13 percent of Trump’s 2016 voters also voted for Barack Obama in 2012.”

So, if nothing else, Hillary supporters are more to blame than Bernie voters; or in other words, more Bernie voters voted for their eventual party candidate than Hillary voters. 
 

Unfortunately this canard doesn’t die. 

Actually it’s down the middle the reason.  Bernie supporters voted for Trump. 

McCain was an acceptable candidate, the pussy grabbing mafioso never was.  Apples and absurd  piles of shit, no comparison.  

this isn’t a sport. Trump is our president, the McCain election has nothing  to do with it. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
AeroHorn

AeroHorn 752

Posted
Posted

The point is that about that much percentage of people commonly switch sides. In other words, not everyone who voted for Bernie in 2016 primaries is a Bernie Bro. Probably they were Trumpkins. To damn a group without understanding the dynamics is the issue.

 

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites
GSU&UT

GSU&UT 1,798

Posted
Posted
17 minutes ago, AeroHorn said:

The point is that about that much percentage of people commonly switch sides. In other words, not everyone who voted for Bernie in 2016 primaries is a Bernie Bro. Probably they were Trumpkins. To damn a group without understanding the dynamics is the issue.

 

I definitely know of several people who voted for Bernie because they were Republicans and disliked Hillary that much. You even have Republicans in South Carolina saying they're going to vote for Barney because they think he's going to be easier to defeat.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
washparkhorn

washparkhorn 9,939

Posted
Posted
17 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Bern was just on 60 Minutes.  Good hell.

Anderson Cooper kept asking how he was going to pay for everything.  Kept saying he didn’t know.  Then proposed government funded child care.  Said “billionaires would pay for it.”

He’s just pulling stuff out of his ass at this point.

I respectfully disagree with your interpretation of facts. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
LABEVO

LABEVO 928

Posted
Posted (edited)
4 hours ago, 6th Street said:

LOL you are advocating a govt mandated 2-20% EPS dilution via higher stock comp expense? That will simply be funded by: lower R&D investment, lower headcount, or 2% lower wages. 

giphy.gif

Edited by LABEVO
Link to comment
Share on other sites
triplehorn

triplehorn 2,664

Posted
Posted

It's definitely the implanted fear, but it doesn't have to succeed:

 

 

 Notice how effortlessly this friend of RU foreign minister Sergei Lavrov who used to run a RU funded think tank lets this roll off his tongue:

"...Over the weekend, trying to make sense of what Russians might be thinking about Bernie Sanders, I also called Andranik Migranyan, who used to run a Russian government-funded think tank attached to the Russian mission to the U.N. Perhaps more notably, he’s also a close friend and former classmate of Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov. “I don’t think anyone really respects or values Sanders here,” Migranyan told me.

“It’s like a knife in the throat,” he went on. “The things Sanders says even Russian communists would be too scared to say. He is a real communist. I always said to Americans, ‘Your brilliant future is our horrible past.’ We collapsed into nothing because of Communism, and now this is the dream that Sanders is offering—and a big part of your country is following him into the abyss.” If Sanders secures the nomination, warns Polymeropoulos, the retired CIA officer, who worked to counter Russian interference after 2016, this is exactly the kind of attack you can expect to see from Russian bots. “Bernie’s socialist credentials is exactly the hot-button, divisive issue that Russia will seek to use to cause chaos,” says Polymeropoulos.

cont."

^^^ that's professional grade shit right there.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
washparkhorn

washparkhorn 9,939

Posted
Posted (edited)
15 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Well, that’s what he said.  Cooper presses him on details and he said “I don’t know.”

And then Cooper listed how he plans to pay for it. You are parsing. 

Tell me how we are paying for this?

Sanders: "Where are people saying, "How are you going to pay for over $750 billion on military spending?" How you going to pay for a trillion dollars in tax breaks to the 1% in large corporations which was what Trump did?"

Edited by washparkhorn
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Aqua Buddha

Aqua Buddha 14,598

Posted
Posted
1 minute ago, washparkhorn said:

And then Cooper listed how he plans to pay for it. You are parsing. 

What were his plans besides "billionaires are going to pay for it?"  (He actually said that.)

BTW, "I don't know" is not an acceptable answer from Bern.  He's been yammering about this for decades.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
GSU&UT

GSU&UT 1,798

Posted
Posted
3 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

What were his plans besides "billionaires are going to pay for it?"  (He actually said that.)

BTW, "I don't know" is not an acceptable answer from Bern.  He's been yammering about this for decades.

I cannot wait for the next 8 months from you as Bernie is gaining steam and you're doing nothing but whine and bitch and moan about him. His website has all of his policies listed in lots of detail and he has said at multiple rallies that he's going to pay for M4A by literally instituting a tax for everyone and paying for student debt and tuition by instituting a tax on Wall Street speculation.

What you honestly could really argue is how likely are these plans to be passed even if the Democrats control the Senate, which is a fair argument and reason for debate. It's amazing how mad the past 24 hours have made you because it's so clear that you see Bernie winning this nomination and you can't do anything to stop it.

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Aqua Buddha

Aqua Buddha 14,598

Posted
Posted
Just now, GSU&UT said:

I cannot wait for the next 8 months from you as Bernie is gaining steam and you're doing nothing but whine and bitch and moan about him. His website has all of his policies listed in lots of detail and he has said at multiple rallies that he's going to pay for M4A by literally instituting a tax for everyone and paying for student debt and tuition by instituting a tax on Wall Street speculation.

What you honestly could really argue is how likely are these plans to be passed even if the Democrats control the Senate, which is a fair argument and reason for debate. It's amazing how mad the past 24 hours have made you because it's so clear that you see Bernie winning this nomination and you can't do anything to stop it.

So, may taxes are going up to pay for your student loans?  That's an outstanding campaign idea.  Better yet, you're going to raise taxes on some factory worker who never went to college to pay for someone else's student loans.

Bern's entire platform is DOA even with a Democratic Congress.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
washparkhorn

washparkhorn 9,939

Posted
Posted
7 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

What were his plans besides "billionaires are going to pay for it?"  (He actually said that.)

BTW, "I don't know" is not an acceptable answer from Bern.  He's been yammering about this for decades.

M4A would save 68,000 lives a year and save $450 billion a year. 

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(19)33019-3/fulltext

What should we do with that $450 billion a year?

Link to comment
Share on other sites
GSU&UT

GSU&UT 1,798

Posted
Posted
1 minute ago, Aqua Buddha said:

So, may taxes are going up to pay for your student loans?  That's an outstanding campaign idea.  Better yet, you're going to raise taxes on some factory worker who never went to college to pay for someone else's student loans.

Bern's entire platform is DOA even with a Democratic Congress.

The tax everyone pays is for M4A dingus, I know you know this, and you no longer have deductibles, co-pays, and out-of-pocket expenses. The speculation tax is what goes into debt forgiveness and making public colleges tuition free.

https://berniesanders.com/en/issues/green-new-deal/

https://berniesanders.com/issues/medicare-for-all/

https://berniesanders.com/issues/free-college-cancel-debt/

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Aqua Buddha

Aqua Buddha 14,598

Posted
Posted
1 minute ago, GSU&UT said:

The tax everyone pays is for M4A dingus, I know you know this, and you no longer have deductibles, co-pays, and out-of-pocket expenses. The speculation tax is what goes into debt forgiveness and making public colleges tuition free.

https://berniesanders.com/en/issues/green-new-deal/

https://berniesanders.com/issues/medicare-for-all/

https://berniesanders.com/issues/free-college-cancel-debt/

Are there any guardrails about how long someone can go to college and how much debt we'll forgive?

Link to comment
Share on other sites
washparkhorn

washparkhorn 9,939

Posted
Posted
Just now, Aqua Buddha said:

Are there any guardrails about how long someone can go to college and how much debt we'll forgive?

Current debt - paid for as follows:

Sanders will fund his student loan forgiveness plan through a new tax on financial transactions, which he expects could raise more than $2 trillion over the next 10 years. The tax plan will include a 0.5% fee on all stock trades, a 0.1% fee on all bond trades and a 0.005% fee on all derivatives trades. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
mchookem

mchookem 16,336

Posted
Posted
7 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

So, may taxes are going up to pay for your student loans?  That's an outstanding campaign idea.  Better yet, you're going to raise taxes on some factory worker who never went to college to pay for someone else's student loans.

Bern's entire platform is DOA even with a Democratic Congress.

i'm being optimistic bc Bernie has a good soul, he's not a liar, and the alternative is a fucking nightmare.

he IS going to run into brick walls. he will also likely only have 2 years to try and get anything done, just like Obama. 

my hope is he prioritizes well (M4A appears to be most critical, again just like Obama), and that he accepts reality and compromise. he may, he's been in the senate a long time, he's got to know how to drive things.

or, you know, fuck it, has he ever been able to get any signature legislation passed? i really don't know and can't recall his name being on anything monumental...

anyway, if he can't...well, we've mostly been at an impasse b/t the presidency and congress for decades now. nullify all the gross executive orders that trump implemented and sign some of his own, at least there could be some temporary relief/improvement etc.

at least we'll have an actual good human being in the white house for a while.

i mean, at this point that's the only way our govt functions anyway. ..EOs swinging back and forth.

 

oh...and bama is going to cut a bernie bro mocking beto 🙂

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Bama Chick

Bama Chick 28,596

Posted
Posted

Yeah, please mock the only high profile guy actively working to turn Texas blue from the ground up.

Texas is like all other states - don’t fuck with one of our own.

If Bernie wants a chance at turning Texas blue him and his supporters better be sucking up to the Betocrats.

Imagine being so dumb that you think Trump losing Texas to any Democrat would make Beto mad.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
workswithseed

workswithseed 2,112

Posted
Posted
12 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Yeah, please mock the only high profile guy actively working to turn Texas blue from the ground up.

Texas is like all other states - don’t fuck with one of our own.

If Bernie wants a chance at turning Texas blue him and his supporters better be sucking up to the Betocrats.

Imagine being so dumb that you think Trump losing Texas to any Democrat would make Beto mad.

He's a fucking statist gun grabber. Fuck him.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Aqua Buddha

Aqua Buddha 14,598

Posted
Posted
42 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

Current debt - paid for as follows:

Sanders will fund his student loan forgiveness plan through a new tax on financial transactions, which he expects could raise more than $2 trillion over the next 10 years. The tax plan will include a 0.5% fee on all stock trades, a 0.1% fee on all bond trades and a 0.005% fee on all derivatives trades. 

That’s not what I asked.  Are there any guardrails on the people going to college?

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Dropout

Dropout 355

Posted
Posted
15 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Yeah, please mock the only high profile guy actively working to turn Texas blue from the ground up.

Texas is like all other states - don’t fuck with one of our own.

If Bernie wants a chance at turning Texas blue him and his supporters better be sucking up to the Betocrats.

Imagine being so dumb that you think Trump losing Texas to any Democrat would make Beto mad.

I’m sure they’ll team up at some point. My first vote in my life was for Beto. I can live with that.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Hank Kingsley

Hank Kingsley 20,967

Posted
Posted
28 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Yeah, please mock the only high profile guy actively working to turn Texas blue from the ground up.

Texas is like all other states - don’t fuck with one of our own.

If Bernie wants a chance at turning Texas blue him and his supporters better be sucking up to the Betocrats.

Imagine being so dumb that you think Trump losing Texas to any Democrat would make Beto mad.

First, they gaslight you. They they ask you to be the bigger person and get on board with Bernie. It’s a lovely strategy. 

  • Like 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites
bad_teammate

bad_teammate 13,216

Posted
Posted

- Open my Twitter account where I purposefully follow people who post things that piss me off
- Get pissed off
- Tell other people how pissed off I made myself
- Pretend that my impotent personal rage is matters on a larger scale (or that my feelings represent the feelings of millions)
- Give "advice" that is actually just an attempt to start a fight with people who weren't involved with the thing that pissed me off on Twitter
- Convince myself I'm actually a very mature adult and it's THEM who are the assholes

 

 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
washparkhorn

washparkhorn 9,939

Posted
Posted
22 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

That’s not what I asked.  Are there any guardrails on the people going to college?

Limited to debt at time of cancellation.

Here are all of the candidates proposals (current and withdrawn candidates) - https://ballotpedia.org/2020_presidential_candidates_on_student_loan_debt

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Bama Chick

Bama Chick 28,596

Posted
Posted
- Open my Twitter account where I purposefully follow people who post things that piss me off
- Get pissed off
- Tell other people how pissed off I made myself
- Pretend that my impotent personal rage is matters on a larger scale (or that my feelings represent the feelings of millions)
- Give "advice" that is actually just an attempt to start a fight with people who weren't involved with the thing that pissed me off on Twitter
- Convince myself I'm actually a very mature adult and it's THEM who are the assholes
 
 


Are you describing yourself in regards to the things you post here about Biden and Mayor Pete?
  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Hank Kingsley

Hank Kingsley 20,967

Posted
Posted
7 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

- Open my Twitter account where I purposefully follow people who post things that piss me off
- Get pissed off
- Tell other people how pissed off I made myself
- Pretend that my impotent personal rage is matters on a larger scale (or that my feelings represent the feelings of millions)
- Give "advice" that is actually just an attempt to start a fight with people who weren't involved with the thing that pissed me off on Twitter
- Convince myself I'm actually a very mature adult and it's THEM who are the assholes

 

 

Do you understand how Twitter works? I don’t follow these people. It gets retweeted by others and shows up in my feed. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
GSU&UT

GSU&UT 1,798

Posted
Posted
2 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Do you understand how Twitter works? I don’t follow these people. It gets retweeted by others and shows up in my feed. 

You are getting upset by an account with 7000 followers as if a bunch of Bernie people in Texas, or Bernie himself, is going to start shitting on Beto because they think that messaging will work. It's amazing how much any random tweet supposedly signals how unlikely Bernie is to coalesce while I've shared Tweets of Bernie Supporting Women who were called c*nts and it fell on deaf ears. You may want to log off Twitter, a surrogate for Pete (Steve McElroy) said he wanted to muzzle Nina Turner and then later is now claiming he was hacked which is completely BS and I haven't seen you talking about this divisiveness.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
 Share
Go to topic listing


Football ... Basketball ... Baseball ... Other Sports ... Futbol ... 🤫995🤫 ... Gambling ... Movies & TV ... Music ... Hobbies ... Lulz ... Food & Travel ... Daily Texan ... Business and Markets ... Cloak Room ... Help ... For Sale ... Board Discussion ... Subscribe!... Donate!... Advertise... COOKIE MONSTER!

×
×
  • Create New...