2020 Democratic Nominee

[washparkhorn 9939]

So the Centrists and Establishment wanted Trump and then lost to him in 2016.

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So to take Bush down, Clinton’s team drew up a plan to pump Trump up. Shortly after her kickoff, top aides organized a strategy call, whose agendaincluded a memo to the Democratic National Committee: “This memo is intended to outline the strategy and goals a potential Hillary Clinton presidential campaign would have regarding the 2016 Republican presidential field,” it read.

“The variety of candidates is a positive here, and many of the lesser known can serve as a cudgel to move the more established candidates further to the right. In this scenario, we don’t want to marginalize the more extreme candidates, but make them more ‘Pied Piper’ candidates who actually represent the mainstream of the Republican Party,” read the memo.

“Pied Piper candidates include, but aren’t limited to:
• Ted Cruz
• Donald Trump
• Ben Carson
We need to be elevating the Pied Piper candidates so that they are leaders of the pack and tell the press to [take] them seriously."

While the campaign also kept a close eye on Rubio, monitoring his announcement speech and tightly designing the tweeted responses to his moves, Clinton’s team in Brooklyn was delightedly puzzled by Trump’s shift into the pole position that July after attacking John McCain by declaring, “I like people who weren’t captured.”

Eleven days after those comments about McCain, Clinton aides sought to push the plan even further: An agenda item for top aides’ message planning meeting read, “How do we prevent Bush from bettering himself/how do we maximize Trump and others?"

They wouldn’t have to work very hard at it though; the debates were the beginning of the end for the candidate Clinton’s team always thought she would face on Election Day. The day after the first debate in August, Clinton confidante Neera Tanden emailed Podesta her analysis: “Bush sucked. I’m glad Hillary is obsessed with the one candidate who would be easiest to beat Besides Trump, of course.”

“Just like everybody, I thought this was a Bush against a Clinton, that’s all it was going to be,” said former Wisconsin Governor Jim Doyle. “When I saw the first set of debates, I would turn them on in an entertainment mode to see what Donald’s going to say today. It was funny."

Bush sucked. I’m glad Hillary is obsessed with the one candidate who would be easiest to beat Besides Trump, of course.”

Clinton aides finally started to see Trump as more than a tool to destroy Bush. In fact, Mook took him so seriously that his team’s internal, if informal, guidance was to hold fire on Trump during the primary and resist the urge to distribute any of the opposition research the Democrats were scrambling to amass against him. That hoarding plan remained in place deep into 2016 as some senior aides stayed convinced that a race against Trump would be a dream for Clinton

 

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-2016-donald-trump-214428

What is the plan this time?  

I see alienation of progressives, youth, and Latinos is at the top of the winning strategy.

What else?

[Pig Bellmont 8718]

2 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

So the Centrists and Establishment wanted Trump and then lost to him in 2016.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-2016-donald-trump-214428

What is the plan this time?  

I see alienation of progressives, youth, and Latinos is at the top of the winning strategy.

What else?

Does anyone give a shit about your concern trolling?

[JimmyJames 12271]

7 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

don't forget all the nannies, private island maintenance fees, and helicopter upkeep.

Not sure if serious but guys or gals who make that much don’t have helicopters or private islands. Probably a nannie though if their kids are a pain in the ass. 

[bonnieblue 542]

1 minute ago, MaybeACoordinator said:

Some of her supporters, including some people who are otherwise very smart, still think she is going to endorse Bernie. One of them challenged me to a bet, which I reluctantly accepted. Reluctantly only because I like the guy and I kind of like Warren and she is about to break his heart. 

Her options are really tricky and she's kind of in a lose/lose here. Rightly or wrongly (I lean more toward wrongly as I think a lot of her voters would've switched to Biden), a lot of Bernie supporters are probably torches and pitchforks toward her at the moment, so what exactly does endorsing Bernie accomplish? He's most likely not going to win, so it's not like she's closer to getting any of her items in the agenda. His supporters aren't going to forgive her either.  If she endorses Biden then maybe he adds a little more progressive spice to his agenda?

Hard to say, but at least she got to outlast Bloomberg after removing his spine at the debate.

[BrickHorn 18234]

32 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

no, that's inaccurate.

you've spent the last 9-12 months on this board spraying diarrhea on every candidate except yours.  that's why you are rightly hated.

i'm not sure you and i have had more than 2-3 interactions involving bernie. 

Exactly this.  Bernie Babies are the only members of the left threatening to take their ball and go home.  The rest of us may prefer a different candidate, but are committed to vote for whoever ends up being the nominee. And that includes Bernie.

Stop acting like petulant children and pitch in to help save this country from tyranny.  It may not be ideal and your socialist utopia may have to wait another 4 years.  But every single Dem candidate is light years better on all the shit you care about compared to Donald Fucking Trump.  

Edited March 4, 2020 by BrickHorn

[Skipper 6135]

10 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

Sure thing skippy - people hate fire departments. 

Fire Departments or  free college for everyone + cancellation of all student debt.  Yep, that's the same thing. 

[sasquatch69 603]

7 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

So the Centrists and Establishment wanted Trump and then lost to him in 2016.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-2016-donald-trump-214428

What is the plan this time?  

I see alienation of progressives, youth, and Latinos is at the top of the winning strategy.

What else?

Big difference this time around is that people have now seen the actual (rather than imagined) outcomes of a Trump presidency.  Any progressive who sits out the general election (or votes for Trump) is completely turning their back on their values simply out of spite.

Edited March 4, 2020 by sasquatch69

[henrygandorf 29191]

3 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

So the Centrists and Establishment wanted Trump and then lost to him in 2016.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-2016-donald-trump-214428

What is the plan this time?  

I see alienation of progressives, youth, and Latinos is at the top of the winning strategy.

What else?

hillary was a terrible, deeply-flawed, ill-prepared candidate with a horrid strategy in key states; not to mention the fact that her opponent spent years getting her disapproval numbers as high as his (into the mid 50's) while also having a few major transgressions lapped up by voters.  even with all this, she lost by 70,000 votes in 3 states, but won the popular vote by 3mm.

so moving forward, we either:

-accept that hillary was uniquely shitty, and an outlier as far as case-studies go, or

-proclaim that 2016 and anything like it is gospel, and must therefore base all future elections on 2016, which clearly shows that a centrist/moderate will never again win the presidency

which of these will we choose?  and why hasn't texas won every single national championship since 2005?

[bad_teammate 13195]

3 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

Exactly this.  Bernie Babies are the only members of the left threatening to take their ball and go home.  The rest of us may prefer a different candidate, but are committed to vote for whoever ends up being the nominee. And that includes Bernie.

Define "the left". Because Bernie is the furthest right example of what I think could reasonably be called "the left".

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Stop acting like petulant children and pitch in to help save this country from tyranny.  It may not be ideal and your socialist utopia may have to wait another 4 years.  But every single Dem candidate is light years better on all the shit you care about compared to Donald Fucking Trump.  

Who are you even talking to? Look at how butthurt and whiny your post is and it's not even responding to anyone or anything. You're just pissed off in general and then acting like you're talking sense into someone.

Talk sense into yourself first.

 

[Huckleberry 32859]

Easy Democrat campaign plank to pay for free college:

I will pay for free college for all by not paying 1.5 trillion dollars for a military war machine that we don't need. Here's what we could do with 1.5 trillion dollars.

There are approximately 80 million Americans age 18 and under.

Graduate high school in the top 10% of your class and you get $60,000 for college.
Graduate in the top quarter and you get $30,000.
Graduate in the top half and you get $15,000.
Everyone else gets $9,000 (for community colleges, trade schools, initial living expenses while working, to buy a car for job interviews, whatever).

All of that is paid for by the F35. 100% paid for. And hell, that math assumes that all 80 million of those kids graduate high school so there would actually be about 117 billion dollars left over due to the roughly 85% graduation rate. Yeah, I keep going back to the F35 boondoggle but it's only because it's the easiest round number to look at. It is only one example of absurd levels of spending that doesn't actually do anyone any good (other than the military contractors) that nobody seems to care about.

[henrygandorf 29191]

7 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

Not sure if serious but guys or gals who make that much don’t have helicopters or private islands. Probably a nannie though if their kids are a pain in the ass. 

please forgive me, but i know nothing of rich assholes who own private islands and/or helicopters.

[washparkhorn 9939]

6 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Fire Departments or  free college for everyone + cancellation of all student debt.  Yep, that's the same thing. 

In fact it is. That is scary socialism - boo.

[Foosters 17856]

9 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

Exactly this.  Bernie Babies are the only members of the left threatening to take their ball and go home.  The rest of us may prefer a different candidate, but are committed to vote for whoever ends up being the nominee. And that includes Bernie.

Stop acting like petulant children and pitch in to help save this country from tyranny.  It may not be ideal and your socialist utopia may have to wait another 4 years.  But every single Dem candidate is light years better on all the shit you care about compared to Donald Fucking Trump.  

This is factually untrue. Plenty of democratic voters have said they would sit out and not vote if Bernie was the nominee. 

Also, again I have to comment on this incredible 180.  For the past month, Biden supporters and moderates have been begging Bernie to be more inclusive. Now that Biden is the presumptive front runner, its "fuck off you Bernie babies."

Edited March 4, 2020 by Foosters

[Foosters 17856]

7 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Fire Departments or  free college for everyone + cancellation of all student debt.  Yep, that's the same thing. 

Just out of curiosity, what was wrong with the model when public universities used to be free or accompanied by nominal costs. What has changed that makes the concept so ridiculous in your mind?

[henrygandorf 29191]

have you considered cutting the entire fire department?  i have personally put out several local fires at no cost to the tax payer.

[TXSooner518 2438]

I'm a middle-of-the-road moderate who absolutely won't vote for Joe Biden. And when Trump is re-elected, Democrats can look back and ponder on why they had 4 years to run against the most repugnant person to ever hold the office, and the best they could come up with to represent Democrat ideals is an 80 year old lifelong groper who is exhibiting clear cognitive decline (now! imagine 2-3 years into the presidency.  Go back and watch Trump's 2016 debates, he's so far ahead of where he is now mentally, as well as ahead of 2020 Biden, it's scary), 

Biden would be 6 years older than anyone who has ever won a presidential election and 9 years older than any person first elected president. And this is the best you can do??? We need an 85 year old carrying around the nuclear football?

[Incredulity 11671]

1 minute ago, Foosters said:

Just out of curiosity, what was wrong with the model when public universities used to be free or accompanied by nominal costs. What has changed that makes the concept so ridiculous in your mind?

Define nominal.

 

[washparkhorn 9939]

4 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

hillary was a terrible, deeply-flawed, ill-prepared candidate with a horrid strategy in key states; not to mention the fact that her opponent spent years getting her disapproval numbers as high as his (into the mid 50's) while also having a few major transgressions lapped up by voters.  even with all this, she lost by 70,000 votes in 3 states, but won the popular vote by 3mm.

so moving forward, we either:

-accept that hillary was uniquely shitty, and an outlier as far as case-studies go, or

-proclaim that 2016 and anything like it is gospel, and must therefore base all future elections on 2016, which clearly shows that a centrist/moderate will never again win the presidency

which of these will we choose?  and why hasn't texas won every single national championship since 2005?

Agree - but the question was how to beat Trump with Biden

Since the Centrists are responsible for Trump - who they saw as the ideal candidate - what is the plan to beat him?

Seriously. If we are doing this together, I need a roadmap. 

[Hank Kingsley 20937]

Ok I laughed

 

[JimmyJames 12271]

2 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

please forgive me, but i know nothing of rich assholes who own private islands and/or helicopters.

Well neither do I. But I have run into plenty of people in the 400k range and most of them are guys who are usually competent but just so happened to luck into a job that somehow paid that well even though they are themselves comparable to many making 100k or so a year. Think Madison Avenue advertising executives in the 50s. Just got lucky but never mega rich.
 

 I once represented a guy who had the intelligence of a used car salesman who made 600k a year selling medical supplies to hospitals that they already needed anyway. Started me on the path to believing our health care system is fucked up, but I digress. 

[henrygandorf 29191]

2 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

Seriously. If we are doing this together, I need a roadmap. 

vote blue, no matter who.  pass it on.

[Foosters 17856]

2 minutes ago, TXSooner518 said:

I'm a middle-of-the-road moderate who absolutely won't vote for Joe Biden. And when Trump is re-elected, Democrats can look back and ponder on why they had 4 years to run against the most repugnant person to ever hold the office, and the best they could come up with to represent Democrat ideals is an 80 year old lifelong groper who is exhibiting clear cognitive decline (now! imagine 2-3 years into the presidency.  Go back and watch Trump's 2016 debates, he's so far ahead of where he is now mentally, as well as ahead of 2020 Biden, it's scary), 

Biden would be 6 years older than anyone who has ever won a presidential election and 9 years older than any person first elected president. And this is the best you can do??? We need an 85 year old carrying around the nuclear football?

Out of curiosity, which candidate did you like? 

Also, if you vote for Trump (the person you just described as the most repugnant person to ever hold office) over Biden, then I think the blame falls squarely on your shoulders.

[washparkhorn 9939]

8 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Easy Democrat campaign plank to pay for free college:

I will pay for free college for all by not paying 1.5 trillion dollars for a military war machine that we don't need. Here's what we could do with 1.5 trillion dollars.

There are approximately 80 million Americans age 18 and under.

Graduate high school in the top 10% of your class and you get $60,000 for college.
Graduate in the top quarter and you get $30,000.
Graduate in the top half and you get $15,000.
Everyone else gets $9,000 (for community colleges, trade schools, initial living expenses while working, to buy a car for job interviews, whatever).

All of that is paid for by the F35. 100% paid for. And hell, that math assumes that all 80 million of those kids graduate high school so there would actually be about 117 billion dollars left over due to the roughly 85% graduation rate. Yeah, I keep going back to the F35 boondoggle but it's only because it's the easiest round number to look at. It is only one example of absurd levels of spending that doesn't actually do anyone any good (other than the military contractors) that nobody seems to care about.

[bad_teammate 13195]

I'm having an extremely hard time taking seriously the proposition that a guy making $55k/year and raising a family of 4 has the same functional life as a guy making $420k/year and raising a family of 4.

Do some really really simple math.
- 2 bedrooms in a place with good schools
- a car to get to work and back
- food
- clothes and sundry for the kids
- health insurance
- any kind of emergency fund at all

This is crazy.

1 minute ago, henrygandorf said:

vote blue, no matter who.  pass it on.

That's the sales pitch?

lol Jesus

[washparkhorn 9939]

2 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

vote blue, no matter who.  pass it on.

Voters are not lemmings. 

Anyone else?  What is the plan to beat Trump with Biden?  

[Ghost of LL 15531]

6 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

Since the Centrists are responsible for Trump - who they saw as the ideal candidate - what is the plan to beat him?

 

What the fuck are you even talking about right now?

[henrygandorf 29191]

3 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

That's the sales pitch?

lol Jesus

trump is in the white house.  do you really need more than this?

[Storm the Field 5294]

10 minutes ago, TXSooner518 said:

I'm a middle-of-the-road moderate who absolutely won't vote for Joe Biden. And when Trump is re-elected, Democrats can look back and ponder on why they had 4 years to run against the most repugnant person to ever hold the office, and the best they could come up with to represent Democrat ideals is an 80 year old lifelong groper who is exhibiting clear cognitive decline (now! imagine 2-3 years into the presidency.  Go back and watch Trump's 2016 debates, he's so far ahead of where he is now mentally, as well as ahead of 2020 Biden, it's scary), 

Biden would be 6 years older than anyone who has ever won a presidential election and 9 years older than any person first elected president. And this is the best you can do??? We need an 85 year old carrying around the nuclear football?

I don't give a shit if Biden spends the majority of his term nodding off in a rocking chair in the oval office and handing out Werther's Originals to visitors. It would be a vast improvement over the malignant pile of human garbage currently occupying the role.

Edited March 4, 2020 by Storm the Field

[washparkhorn 9939]

1 minute ago, Ghost of LL said:

What the fuck are you even talking about right now?

What is the plan to beat Trump with Biden is the question. Thanks for reading!

[bad_teammate 13195]

Just now, henrygandorf said:

trump is in the white house.  do you really need more than this?

You know exactly where I stand. Exactly.

Joe wins the most delegates he gets my vote. Easy as pie.

I'm not the issue here. How is Joe going to entice the activist groups that he openly mocks and dislikes who want policies he attacks and derides?

Are we going to try to shame them into compliance?

[washparkhorn 9939]

This shouldn't be difficult - since the Centrists and the Establishment have picked Biden. Presumably they had a plan. What is it?  I would like to share it with some discouraged voters right now. 

[henrygandorf 29191]

2 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

Voters are not lemmings. 

Anyone else?  What is the plan to beat Trump with Biden?  

there are more of us than there are of them.  if we vote, we win.  stop thinking about policies.  that's not how any of this works.

when trump beat hillary, i watched an interview where someone asked "how?"  the simplistic answer was, "hillary thought she would get the women and black people that voted for obama to vote for her.  she didn't."

do you think the 2020 results from those two demos are going to be more similar to obama or more similar to hillary?

do you really need an in-depth policy discussion followed by actual strategy to vote biden over trump?  be a lemming.  i'm serious.  that's what the situation demands of you.

i know this sounds like satire but it isn't.  nothing happens until trump is out.  vote against him.

[TXSooner518 2438]

4 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Out of curiosity, which candidate did you like? 

Also, if you vote for Trump (the person you just described as the most repugnant person to ever hold office) over Biden, then I think the blame falls squarely on your shoulders.

None were a direct match for me. My preferences of the field that came out were Yang, Buttigieg, Warren.  Yang and Buttigieg I liked because I like a forward-looking, scientific, intelligent approach. Also when you have someone who is 40-50, they have a very vested interest in the next 30 years of what happens to this country, its economy, etc. If Bernie's policies cause a Great Depression, what does he care, he'll be dead anyway. Warren was older than I prefer, but is almost a decade younger than the 3 ancient Bs, and also had a more policy-based approach. 

I would accept someone who isn't a senile groper who is an incoherent babbler, we already have one of those.

And no, I absolutely also will not vote for Donald Trump. I'm aware that many people will say that not voting for Biden is voting for Trump. I'm not the one who came up with this shit sandwich. You have to earn my vote, not just say "yeah but our shit sandwich is at least semi-solid, and that guy's is pure diarrhea."

[bonnieblue 542]

2 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

This shouldn't be difficult - since the Centrists and the Establishment have picked Biden. Presumably they had a plan. What is it?  I would like to share it with some discouraged voters right now. 

Here's the plan: vote for Biden and get your friends and family to vote for Biden. And also be a volunteer poll worker. And donate money.

[washparkhorn 9939]

3 minutes ago, Storm the Field said:

I don't give a shit if Biden spends the majority of his term nodding off in a rocking chair in the oval office and handing out Werther's Originals to visitors. 

 

10 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Ok I laughed

 

Earned media is free.

1 minute ago, henrygandorf said:

there are more of us than there are of them.  if we vote, we win.  stop thinking about policies.  that's not how any of this works.

when trump beat hillary, i watched an interview where someone asked "how?"  the simplistic answer was, "hillary thought she would get the women and black people that voted for obama to vote for her.  she didn't."

do you think the 2020 results from those two demos are going to be more similar to obama or more similar to hillary?

do you really need an in-depth policy discussion followed by actual strategy to vote biden over trump?  be a lemming.  i'm serious.  that's what the situation demands of you.

i know this sounds like satire but it isn't.  nothing happens until trump is out.  vote against him.

We are so fucked. 

[Cheeseweasel 26438]

1 hour ago, kevwun said:

He's not Trump.

He's not Bernie.

That's why last night happened.

Neither am I. SHIT. You mean I could have been President?

[BrickHorn 18234]

22 minutes ago, Foosters said:

This is factually untrue. Plenty of democratic voters have said they would sit out and not vote if Bernie was the nominee. 

Also, again I have to comment on this incredible 180.  For the past month, Biden supporters and moderates have been begging Bernie to be more inclusive. Now that Biden is the presumptive front runner, its "fuck off you Bernie babies."

No it’s not “fuck off.”  It’s “grow up.”  I don’t know of any Democrat who is unwilling to vote for Bernie if he is the nominee. Centrist Republicans considering voting Dem because of Trump?  Yeah, there are a shitload of them who won’t vote Bernie.  But they aren’t on the left.
 

Bernie Babies can’t tell the difference between supporting another candidate in the primary and opposing Bernie.  Because in their minds, it’s either Bernie or stay home out of spite.  They assume that everyone has the same spoiled brat mindset they do.   

Edited March 4, 2020 by BrickHorn

[bad_teammate 13195]

Just now, BrickHorn said:

No it’s not “fuck off.”  It’s “grow up.”  I don’t know of any Democrat who is unwilling to vote for Bernie if he is the nominee. Bernie Babies can’t tell the difference between supporting another candidate in the primary and opposing Bernie.  Because in their minds, it’s either Bernie or stay home out of spite.  They assume that everyone has the same spoiled brat mindset they do.   

Here you go.

[washparkhorn 9939]

2 minutes ago, bonnieblue said:

Here's the plan: vote for Biden and get your friends and family to vote for Biden. And also be a volunteer poll worker. And donate money.

Better, but I am sure you understand that requires a great deal of enthusiasm FOR something. I know what we are against. Why would the marginalized in this society  - who - unlike the well off - have borne the brunt of this Administration make themselves a target of this Administration. And, if they are working and just trying to survive, where do they get the time?

But thank you. 

[BrickHorn 18234]

8 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

You know exactly where I stand. Exactly.

Joe wins the most delegates he gets my vote. Easy as pie.

I'm not the issue here. How is Joe going to entice the activist groups that he openly mocks and dislikes who want policies he attacks and derides?

Are we going to try to shame them into compliance?

If that’s really your mindset, then stop shitting on Joe and throwing tirades at every Sanders setback. 

[Foosters 17856]

Just now, BrickHorn said:

No it’s not “fuck off.”  It’s “grow up.”  I don’t know of any Democrat who is unwilling to vote for Bernie if he is the nominee. Bernie Babies can’t tell the difference between supporting another candidate in the primary and opposing Bernie.  Because in their minds, it’s either Bernie or stay home out of spite.  They assume that everyone has the same spoiled brat mindset they do.   

I know multiple. 

[Mdhorn 5949]

1 hour ago, HenryJames said:

I think that's more his supporters than him.

it's not--on one of the Sunday morning talk shows he was asked repeatedly if he was a Democrat to which he replied he's the best chance to get the Independent vote.  He never adopted the Democratic platform, nor considered himself a Democrat.  Fine, run as an Independent. But he doesn't want to do that either because that's a losing proposition.  In the past he said he'd consider himself a Democrat when they adopt his platform.  That hasn't happened so he doesn't call himself a Democrat--he only want's to win their nomination.   

[BrickHorn 18234]

1 minute ago, bad_teammate said:

Here you go.

Who the fuck is that?

[Foosters 17856]

Just now, BrickHorn said:

If that’s really your mindset, then stop shitting on Joe and throwing tirades at every Sanders setback. 

Says the man who is shitting on Bernie and his supporters at every turn.

[bad_teammate 13195]

1 minute ago, BrickHorn said:

Who the fuck is that?

A bunch of people online who will never vote for Bernie.

The exact same type of people you're crying your eyes out about right now.

[Chuckie Finster 22694]

2 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

Better, but I am sure you understand that requires a great deal of enthusiasm FOR something. I know what we are against. Why would the marginalized in this society  - who - unlike the well off - have borne the brunt of this Administration make themselves a target of this Administration. And, if they are working and just trying to survive, where do they get the time?

But thank you. 

Have you genuinely not seen the turnout numbers from last night or are you just being contrarian for the hell of it?  Just seems like a weird day to choose to worry about enthusiasm.

[HRSchenker 2268]

25 minutes ago, Foosters said:

This is factually untrue. Plenty of democratic voters have said they would sit out and not vote if Bernie was the nominee. 

Also, again I have to comment on this incredible 180.  For the past month, Biden supporters and moderates have been begging Bernie to be more inclusive. Now that Biden is the presumptive front runner, its "fuck off you Bernie babies."

Obviously I have a small sample size but I saw that sentiment from a lot of my yellow dog Dem patients and the old school Republicans who hate Trump. The recurring theme is "I hate Trump, I will never vote for him in 2020, but I will never vote for someone who calls themselves a Democratic Socialist". I know it's easy to dismiss them as "the olds" but they still vote in greater numbers than my generation that voted in lower numbers yesterday than we did in 2008 and 2016.

[washparkhorn 9939]

1 minute ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Have you genuinely not seen the turnout numbers from last night or are you just being contrarian for the hell of it?  Just seems like a weird day to choose to worry about enthusiasm.

We have a new frontrunner. Does he have a plan other than - at least I am not Trump? Please let me know what the plan is.

[bad_teammate 13195]

Chuckie's answer to Bernie's coalition of voters is, "Fuck you, we don't need you."

And that's fair. Best of luck.

[TXSooner518 2438]

Just now, washparkhorn said:

We have a new frontrunner. Does he have a plan other than - at least I am not Trump? Please let me know what the plan is.

He's moving on from Super Thursday continuing his candidacy for U.S. Senate, and will be curing cancer and appointing the first black female senator. Seems simple enough.