2020 Democratic Nominee

[F250 29195]

Some of these endorsements are a trip. While Fukuyama isn't on the same level* as Wolfowitz he is certainly a Straussian. It just seems really weird that the former cult of Strauss has been able to find a comfortable home in the Democratic Party while people like Sanders and company are treated like the Corona virus. I guess the Neocon's past will be locked up in the same closet as Cindy Sheehan.

 

* I actually agree a lot with some of Fukuyama's ideas, particularly those on Western liberal democracy and globalization. Some what a fan of Bloom's work too but shit all these other assholes shifting to team blue because they lost their influence with team red is no bueno.

 

[bad_teammate 13496]

I don't blame Internet posters for the failure of Kamala and Beto. They are grown adults and they own their own failures.

I will say I am impressed that Kamala had the dignity to not go immediately pawing at Joe's cuffs for a seat at the table. Fascinating to see the true nature of a political animal do a song and dance for a candidate you know they don't even believe in before that candidate even shows an ability to win. Kamala is probably holding out for something big, at least.

Can't let the O&G execs who made you what you are down, right?

Fuck those 10+M who will be uninsured, there is fracking to be done. Taxes to be unraised. Wages to be stagnated. Medical and student debt to be milked from the lower classes like blood from a stone. A Green New Deal to dismiss. Climate and immigration activists to be angrily waved off and disrespected.

And all, in Bama's mind, because people were rude online. To own those unruly hordes who refuse to know their place.

[bad_teammate 13496]

Bernie Bros as a unique movement are a myth.

"Microsoft's deep learning sentiment analysis tools are sexist bros."

A stupid horseshit narrative from 2008 invented by losers from Hillary's camp making excuses for her impending loss.

And kept alive by people who can only maintain interest in things by making their own emotions the center of everything else.

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

1 hour ago, bad_teammate said:

Bernie Bros as a unique movement are a myth.
 

 

"Microsoft's deep learning sentiment analysis tools are sexist bros."

A stupid horseshit narrative from 2008 invented by losers from Hillary's camp making excuses for her impending loss.

 

 

 

And kept alive by people who can only maintain interest in things by making their own emotions the center of everything else.

The surprise takeaway from that chart is that Tulsi has ~30,000 tweeters. I figured the bot army was larger than that. My young voter ticked the box for Sanders. He supports M4A but is pretty cynical. He is proposing that he move to Sweden after he graduates from college because they have a better way of living. My son, renouncing his citizenship because America can't conceive of health care being a right. Thanks Trump.

[bad_teammate 13496]

This is the political courage that Joe Biden shows.

I mean, that's impressive. He was working with Bob Dole and George Mitchell to reform Social Security? He agreed to take a political riskwith them to... wait a second... I'm receiving word that this is complete horseshit.

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On "Meet the Press" on April 29, 2007, then-Sen. Biden made a similar claim, saying he was "one of five people - I was the junior guy - in the meeting with Bob Dole and George Mitchell when we put Social Security on the right path for 60 years."

But according to the historical record, Biden was not one of the small group of people in "the room," or in "the meeting" - nor was he even a key player in reforms.

Those close to the Social Security reform process say that the chief negotiations were made between then-Sens. Bob Dole, R-Kansas, and Daniel Patrick Moynihan, D-N.Y., through the National Commission on Social Security Reform, which worked throughout 1982 on recommendations to help guarantee the solvency of the program, and conducted final negotiations in January 1983. The commission kept President Ronald Reagan and House Speaker Tip O'Neill, D-Mass., in the loop throughout the process.

President Reagan signed their work into law in April 1983. There were 15 members of the commission, including Dole, Moynihan, and two other senators; Biden was not one of them. Nor was he at the signing ceremony.

So this working across the aisle with Republicans to cut benefits isn't even something he has accomplished, it's something he fantasizes about accomplishing.

Just great job voting for this guy. Bravo.

[bad_teammate 13496]

The math in that post above led me to some math to determine whose voting base turned out to be the Most Online

The results should not surprise anyone.

Candidates ranked least to most online
Biden - 4.2 votes per Tweeter
Klobuchar - 2.8 votes per Tweeter
Buttigieg - 2.3 votes per Tweeter
Sanders - 1.8 votes per Tweeter
Warren - 0.9 votes per Tweeter

Sanders sits basically in the middle of supporter online brain disease between Biden ("look pal, my grandson prints out my emails") and Warren ("politics is about me personally and my self-care routines, check bio for Venmo").

Kind of explains how Klobuchar and Buttigieg along with their supporters just followed right along and Warren supporters are literally drawing up lists of demands to send to Bernie and fantasizing Jimmy Fallon episodes to address their grievances while the race slips out of progressive fingers.

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

[FondrenRoad 4378]

12 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

 

Well, Beto and Kamala were absolute savaged by bad faith bullshittery from the left wing from the moment they announced and unfortunately those narratives stuck.

Pete eventually got the same treatment but the attacks came much later once he became a threat. (And, yeah, I’m a hypocrite because I’m okay with his downfall because at least he got a chance to show himself before the Twitterati ate him alive.)

And running a campaign based on copying another candidate’s platform is dumb and doomed to fail if those beliefs aren’t sincerely held. Look at Warren.

Beto and Kamala basically shared 85-90% of the same goals but maybe had different plans to achieve them so they were thrown in the bin as “centrist neoliberal shitlibs”.

Too bad. I bet the Bernie camp and every other Democrat would prefer one of them to have been the “compromise candidate” over Biden. Because not only are they much closer to what Bernie stands for than Biden, they’re also smarter, better speakers and debaters, and not 107 years old.

Hindsight’s a bitch.

 

This is true. It will be better in 2024 and 2028 when the progressive candidate isn't Bernie and is someone much younger.  If the younger vote is consolidated around a 78 year old, then there is no shot at all for a younger candidate. The 50+ crowd has long loved septuagenarians.  They were never gonna vote for Beto or Pete. Obama won because of younger voters.  The olds were still Hillary back then. 

[MaybeACoordinator 8350]

It is my impression that the olds loved Buttigieg. He's the type of young olds love. 

[washparkhorn 9973]

 

[henrygandorf 29225]

i’ve really enjoyed the 900 posts from bt explaining how bernie people aren’t aggressive, obsessive, and very-online. 

truly a learning experience. 

[bad_teammate 13496]

We're all part of the same hypocrisy, senator.

[G650 14437]

1 hour ago, MaybeACoordinator said:

It is my impression that the olds loved Buttigieg. He's the type of young olds love. 

Pretty accurate imo.

[JimmyJames 12271]

13 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

i’ve really enjoyed the 900 posts from bt explaining how bernie people aren’t aggressive, obsessive, and very-online. 

truly a learning experience. 

My working theory is he’s a group student project from an upperclassman UT government major class. 

[henrygandorf 29225]

5 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

We're all part of the same hypocrisy, senator.

some people need to play little games. you play yours. 

[BradInATX 9208]

"Listen here jack, how do i open pdf" is one of the funniest things I've seen in a legitimately long time. That's amazing.

[washparkhorn 9973]

Pod Save America (the "Obama Bro's) - March 4, 2020 at 42:38 - "I bet you that Barack Obama listens to a Bernie Sanders' speech and agrees with 99.9 percent of what comes out of his mouth."

Time to unite the Party. 

[GRHorn 105]

5 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

Pod Save America (the "Obama Bro's) - March 4, 2020 at 42:38 - "I bet you that Barack Obama listens to a Bernie Sanders' speech and agrees with 99.9 percent of what comes out of his mouth."

Time to unite the Party. 

I see what they’re trying to accomplish and it’s smart, but you don’t actually believe that do you?

[bad_teammate 13496]

[washparkhorn 9973]

Do I agree that Obama hears a Sanders' speech and agrees with 99% of it? Absolutely. Otherwise 2008 was a big lie. 

Obama kicked down the door and had to moderate. Obama 2008 and Sanders 2020 are not radical. They are just asking for a return to FDR/JFK/LBJ forward leaning policies. 

Edited March 7, 2020 by washparkhorn

[Bama Chick 28596]

It is my impression that the olds loved Buttigieg. He's the type of young olds love. 

Because he’s an old person’s idea of what a young person should be.

Because he presents as an Eddie Haskell throwback.

And he’s got the soul of a 62 year old in a 38 year old body.

[washparkhorn 9973]

Here is how the Dutch defeated their Donald Trump - a populist and mocking message on behalf of Mark Rutte. 

 

[bad_teammate 13496]

bErNie BrOs ArE sO tOxIc

 

[MaybeACoordinator 8350]

44 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Because he’s an old person’s idea of what a young person should be.

Because he presents as an Eddie Haskell throwback.

And he’s got the soul of a 62 year old in a 38 year old body.

And I believe some saw a chance to rectify earlier bigotry by voting for a gay man.

My grandmother was so eager to vote for Obama so she could finally vote for a black, but she couldn't do it because of abortion. She is a nonagenarian Spanish Moss Texan (Beaumont) convert to Catholicism (at 12) who was a proud FDR Socialist in college. She implied that a vote for Obama would have sort of redeemed her for some previous voting and attitudes she'd had in the past, and I think that was some small part of Buttigieg's appeal to the olds. 

[David Dennison 19518]

43 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

bErNie BrOs ArE sO tOxIc

 

That's why he never had a chance to be the Democratic nominee.

[FWD 297]

 

 

[bad_teammate 13496]

Noah is mad because he got dunked on by Matt Bruenig. #sad

If Democrats are going to call the Republicans killers for wanting to cut healthcare then what is good for the goose is good for the gander.

*Republican plan would leave 20 million uninsured*

Leftists, "MURDERERS!"

Democrats, "YEAH, MURDERERS!"

...

 

*Democratic plan would leave 10 million uninsured*

Leftists, "MURDERERS!"

Democrats, "No no, this is good, actually."

[GRHorn 105]

 

 

[washparkhorn 9973]

13 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

 

 

That was the rule going into Super Tuesday - to qualify for the next debate, a candidate needed one delegate. Tulsi has one. 

I don't want Tulsi on the stage. I want it one on one. But the DNC needs to do a much better job for the Nation - where 2020 is a life or death sentence for many. 

[washparkhorn 9973]

Biden is going to be a disaster for us, if he is the nominee. Seven minute speech and he screws up his own name. 

 

[washparkhorn 9973]

 

[Nivek 17405]

bErNie BrOs ArE sO tOxIc
 

What are those multicolored rectangular shaped things behind her? /trump

[Hank Kingsley 21750]

LMAO, Bernie just wants Tulsi to go scorched earth on Biden with him. 

 

[Hank Kingsley 21750]

7 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

That was the rule going into Super Tuesday - to qualify for the next debate, a candidate needed one delegate. Tulsi has one. 

I don't want Tulsi on the stage. I want it one on one. But the DNC needs to do a much better job for the Nation - where 2020 is a life or death sentence for many. 

Well, now it' after Super Tuesday, so they should obviously up the delegate requirements. 

Anyone spinning that Tulsi should be on stage is full of shit. 

 

[bad_teammate 13496]

3 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

LMAO, Bernie just wants Tulsi to go scorched earth on Biden with him. 

*psssssst, look at the date, he's talking about Martin O'Malley*

[washparkhorn 9973]

4 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

LMAO, Bernie just wants Tulsi to go scorched earth on Biden with him. 

 

Not likely. Hillary made Tulsi toxic. 

This is Bernie's insistence on fair play. That used to be a virtue for a politician. 

[washparkhorn 9973]

4 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Well, now it' after Super Tuesday, so they should obviously up the delegate requirements. 

Anyone spinning that Tulsi should be on stage is full of shit. 

 

It was the rule in place - and the goal line for making the next debate stage. After Tulsi won that delegate, the DNC moved it. C'mon. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

When does Bernie get out is the question.  Before or after Tulsi. 

[Incredulity 11874]

Hugo is back..

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Bloomberg hired me to shit post for Biden from here on out guys.  He really is a job creator. Thank goodness Liz ended his campaign tho. 

[Chuckie Finster 23038]

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

This shit is so over and it was remarkably gross how it played out.  The primary process needs a huge overhaul if we still want to call ourselves a democracy with straight face. 

[tantric superman 4668]

7 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

This shit is so over and it was remarkably gross how it played out.  The primary process needs a huge overhaul if we still want to call ourselves a democracy with straight face. 

Just because our voters are stupid doesn't mean we aren't a democracy. 

[Incredulity 11874]

4 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

Just because our voters are stupid doesn't mean we aren't a democracy. 

That’s true.

[GRHorn 105]

I mean seriously guys. This man needs to be at home with a caretaker. It’s getting sad. Where is his loving wife to protect him from embarrassment?

 

[GRHorn 105]

Serious question, if he wins the nomination and then is somehow declared incompetent how is his replacement picked? 

[TexEx15 17936]

4 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

Serious question, if he wins the nomination and then is somehow declared incompetent how is his replacement picked? 

You tell us.  What’s the plan for trump?  I mean if we’re talking about incompetence right.

[JustBecause 112]

39 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

This shit is so over and it was remarkably gross how it played out.  The primary process needs a huge overhaul if we still want to call ourselves a democracy with straight face. 

Representative Republic. Big difference. 

[henrygandorf 29225]

19 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

Serious question, if he wins the nomination and then is somehow declared incompetent how is his replacement picked? 

you don't deserve a serious answer, but i'll try.  well, first off, define "declared incompetent".  let's assume there isn't a way to do that, therefore, he would stay the nominee until he wins in november over the other incompetent presidential candidate.  seriously, there really is no way, unless he fell into a coma or died.  i would say medical experts would intervene, but we don't even hear about trump's physicals like former presidents.

but if you're asking who takes over if he dies, each party is different in their bylaws.  here's an article from 2008 which poses the question:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2008/09/what-happens-if-a-presidential-candidate-passes-away-at-the-last-second.html

If John McCain were to die before the election, the rules of the Republican Party authorize the Republican National Committee to fill the vacancy, either by reconvening a national convention or by having RNC state representatives vote. The new nominee must receive a majority vote to officially become the party candidate. If Barack Obama were to die before the election, the Democratic Party’s charter and bylaws state that responsibility for filling that vacancy would fall to the Democratic National Committee, but the rules do not specify how exactly the DNC would go about doing that. (Congress could also pass a special statute and push back Election Day, giving the dead candidate’s party time to regroup.)

[GRHorn 105]

9 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

you don't deserve a serious answer, but i'll try.  well, first off, define "declared incompetent".  let's assume there isn't a way to do that, therefore, he would stay the nominee until he wins in november over the other incompetent presidential candidate.  seriously, there really is no way, unless he fell into a coma or died.  i would say medical experts would intervene, but we don't even hear about trump's physicals like former presidents.

but if you're asking who takes over if he dies, each party is different in their bylaws.  here's an article from 2008 which poses the question:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2008/09/what-happens-if-a-presidential-candidate-passes-away-at-the-last-second.html

 

 

 

10 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

you don't deserve a serious answer, but i'll try.  well, first off, define "declared incompetent".  let's assume there isn't a way to do that, therefore, he would stay the nominee until he wins in november over the other incompetent presidential candidate.  seriously, there really is no way, unless he fell into a coma or died.  i would say medical experts would intervene, but we don't even hear about trump's physicals like former presidents.

but if you're asking who takes over if he dies, each party is different in their bylaws.  here's an article from 2008 which poses the question:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2008/09/what-happens-if-a-presidential-candidate-passes-away-at-the-last-second.html

 

 

I guess I was thinking along the lines of people on trial being declared mentally incompetent. That really doesn’t apply here. 

I think what’s more likely, if he wins the nomination, is that there will be a groundswell of people on the left who decide his mental status can no longer be overlooked. Maybe by August. He’ll decide that he no longer has it in him to pursue the Presidency. Then I guess the DNC will pick the nominee. Now that will be something.