2020 Democratic Nominee

[bad_teammate 13196]

I don’t know but she doesn’t owe Bernie shit, that’s for sure.

Never said she did. I was just asking what "bend the knee" is supposed to mean.

[Biff Tannen 45688]

11 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

That had to be one hell of a meeting if it lasted 4 and a half years.

[mdmost 43002]

I think we've hit the bargaining stage.

[Hank Scorpio 17729]

45 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Any idea on what she's been doing since 3/3 that is advancing an agenda which reflects her values? This is... extremely vague.

OK cool so she's been too busy doing work for downballot Dems in the last week to help advance the most important race going right now for the overall left-progressive agenda?

Who has she been busy doing work for?

Technically Lone Michaels is a down ballot Democrat. 

[gmr548 16580]

No real dog in the fight but your meme game screams boomer

[bad_teammate 13196]

35 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

That had to be one hell of a meeting if it lasted 4 and a half years.

[bad_teammate 13196]

18 minutes ago, mdmost said:

I think we've hit the bargaining stage.

This joke gets funnier every time you post it.

[DanTheHorn 4925]

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-the-rest-of-the-primary-calendar-looks-for-biden-and-sanders/

Looks like Bernie may be done. Only leading in 2 states. We will see if nail is hammered into the coffin tomorrow.

 

March 10
Contest	Biden	Sanders	Margin
Michigan	57.5%	40.5%	+17.0
Washington	48.6	49.1	+0.5
Missouri	58.7	39.6	+19.1
Mississippi	71.7	27.3	+44.4
Idaho	49.5	47.9	+1.6
North Dakota	51.6	46	+5.6
Democrats Abroad	47.8	49.2	+1.4
March 17
Contest	Biden	Sanders	Margin
Florida	66.7%	31.6%	+35.1
Illinois	54.8	43.4	+11.4
Ohio	54.1	44.1	+10.0
Arizona	55	42.9	+12.1

Edited March 9, 2020 by DanTheHorn

[LABEVO 928]

Not that I am wishing it but what if Biden died during the primary or shortly afterwards? I could see old Joe catching coronavirus and dying after winning the nomination. 

[bad_teammate 13196]

An interesting statistic.

 

[mdmost 43002]

5 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

This joke gets funnier every time you post it.

Just identifying which stage you're in. 

[GW Hayduke 1953]

54 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Is this what losing looks like?

[henrygandorf 29191]

6 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

An interesting encouraging statistic.

 

 

[mdmost 43002]

9 minutes ago, DanTheHorn said:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-the-rest-of-the-primary-calendar-looks-for-biden-and-sanders/

Looks like Bernie may be done. Only leading in 2 states. We will see if nail is hammered into the coffin tomorrow.

 

March 10
Contest	Biden	Sanders	Margin
Michigan	57.5%	40.5%	+17.0
Washington	48.6	49.1	+0.5
Missouri	58.7	39.6	+19.1
Mississippi	71.7	27.3	+44.4
Idaho	49.5	47.9	+1.6
North Dakota	51.6	46	+5.6
Democrats Abroad	47.8	49.2	+1.4
March 17
Contest	Biden	Sanders	Margin
Florida	66.7%	31.6%	+35.1
Illinois	54.8	43.4	+11.4
Ohio	54.1	44.1	+10.0
Arizona	55	42.9	+12.1

Even his Washington numbers look weak and that should be one Bernie wins running away. And to be down double digits in all the March 17th contests doesn't bode well. 

[bad_teammate 13196]

"Electability!" cries a nation of people who have convinced themselves they are all pundits even though electability isn't really a thing.

Bernie has their hopes. Biden has their fears.

[HenryJames 66058]

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

24 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

"Electability!" cries a nation of people who have convinced themselves they are all pundits even though electability isn't really a thing.

Bernie has their hopes. Biden has their fears.

I’m going to try to explain why Biden is winning and it has to do with majority of the black vote.   They aren’t supporting Biden because of electability polls or because he’s the best candidate.  They’re supporting him because they know ignorant white voters better than white voters know themselves.  For them it’s a life and death situation, Trump can not win and they’re convinced Biden is the least risky horse to back to beat Trump, and they were proved correct on Super Tuesday. Bernie can be a superior candidate in every way but that’s doesn’t make him a safer pick in the eyes of black voters to go against Trump.  This election is about just stopping the trauma being continuously  inflicted.  

Look, I don’t think it’s the correct approach either and I believe we’re missing out on a tremendous opportunity but I completely understand why the vulnerable populations are going Biden.  Yes, it is fear based because they have a gun to their head. It’s sad and awful but this is the hand we’ve been dealt. 

[bad_teammate 13196]

Listen to the FOX crowd's reaction to this woman saying that people making $30k/year like their private insurer.

This is what Joe proposes to keep.

Healthcare is the peoples' #1 issue and she's getting straight-up booed on FOX.

[GW Hayduke 1953]

2 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

They’re supporting him because they know ignorant white voters better than white voters know themselves.  

You know that black voters know more about white voters than white voters. How do you know this?

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

19 minutes ago, GW Hayduke said:

You know that black voters know more about white voters than white voters. How do you know this?

Because the biggest threat to black people is white people. 

[Kermit 3156]

6 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Because the biggest threat to black people is white people. 

That and heart disease.

[tantric superman 4667]

Thank god for the sickle cell.

[TexasEd 8067]

5 hours ago, DanTheHorn said:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-the-rest-of-the-primary-calendar-looks-for-biden-and-sanders/

Looks like Bernie may be done. Only leading in 2 states. We will see if nail is hammered into the coffin tomorrow.

 

March 10
Contest	Biden	Sanders	Margin
Michigan	57.5%	40.5%	+17.0
Washington	48.6	49.1	+0.5
Missouri	58.7	39.6	+19.1
Mississippi	71.7	27.3	+44.4
Idaho	49.5	47.9	+1.6
North Dakota	51.6	46	+5.6
Democrats Abroad	47.8	49.2	+1.4
March 17
Contest	Biden	Sanders	Margin
Florida	66.7%	31.6%	+35.1
Illinois	54.8	43.4	+11.4
Ohio	54.1	44.1	+10.0
Arizona	55	42.9	+12.1

I'm betting the ones Bernie is "leading" are within the margin of error.  States where Biden is leading it is decisive.

 

[David Dennison 18860]

 

3 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

Listen to the FOX crowd's reaction to this woman saying that people making $30k/year like their private insurer.

This is what Joe proposes to keep.

Healthcare is the peoples' #1 issue and she's getting straight-up booed on FOX.

I'm going to feel kind of sad when he loses by double digits tomorrow.

Edited March 10, 2020 by David Dennison

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

Given

 

and given

 

you get 

= 51.4% Joe, 40.6% Don.

[Fudge Nuggets 19190]

5 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

An interesting statistic.

 

I want to see the results of the follow up question:

If your candidate is not the nominee will you be bothered to get off your lazy ass and go vote?

[washparkhorn 9939]

 

https://www.innocenceproject.org/paul-hildwin-set-free-after-35-year-struggle-for-justice/

Hildwin became a suspect in the 1985 murder after stolen property from a murdered Hernando County woman was found in his possession. When questioned, he told investigators that he had hitched a ride with the victim and her boyfriend several days earlier and admitted stealing property from the vehicle, but not committing assault or murder. He insisted that he left the victim with her boyfriend, with whom she had a volatile relationship, by the roadside after the two got into a heated argument and pulled the car over.  

At trial, the prosecution presented a serology expert who falsely claimed that bodily fluids found on two pieces of crime scene evidence—women’s underwear and a washcloth—matched Hildwin. That evidence came from a FBI forensics expert who claimed that Hildwin was among only 11 percent of the world’s white male population who could have deposited the fluids. The expert also claimed that the fluids couldn’t have come from the victim’s estranged boyfriend. 

In 2003, DNA testing excluded Hildwin as the source of semen and saliva found on the two pieces of crime scene evidence. For the next seven years, the Innocence Project fought prosecutors to submit the DNA profile into the CODIS DNA database to determine the source of the DNA. In 2010, the Florida Supreme Court finally ordered a DNA database search on the DNA profile, which was identified to the victim’s estranged boyfriend — an alternate suspect in the crime, who was convicted of 16 counts of sexual battery of a minor.

 

Choose wisely. Innocent lives hang in the balance. 

[bad_teammate 13196]

Yup

One dream slowly dies, but unlike basically everyone else in this race, Bernie keeps fighting even when his personal ambitions are thwarted.

[DanTheHorn 4925]

1 hour ago, bad_teammate said:

One dream slowly dies, but unlike basically everyone else in this race, Bernie keeps fighting even when his personal ambitions are thwarted.

There is a fine line between being a proponent of new ideas and the crazy uncle that won't shut up. I am sure the line for you is far from that of the rest of the nation.

Edited March 10, 2020 by DanTheHorn

[Hank Kingsley 20942]

So it looks like Bernie basically has to win Michigan today to convince anyone he still has a shot at the nomination, right ?

 

 

 

 

 

[Bateshorn 9927]

4 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

So it looks like Bernie basically has to win Michigan today to convince anyone he still has a shot at the nomination, right ?

 

 

 

 

 

In theory?  Yes.  But if he loses Michigan and can keep it close in Washington/Idaho, win the North Dakota Caucus, he'll likely argue that he's still viable, hoping the debate on March 15 will flip the narrative.   Which it probably won't and if he loses Michigan today, he's not likely to be competitive in another race until April 4, when Alaska and Hawaii are on the ballot.

Short of Biden shitting his pants and dozing off behind the lectern, Next week Bernie is likely to lose all 4 races as well (AZ, IL, FL, OH)

Edited March 10, 2020 by Bateshorn

[bad_teammate 13196]

Agree with Bates.

Bernie shouldn't drop out. He should get as many delegates as possible and just worry at Biden for months like lions to a stray pack of zebra. There's a remote possibility that Biden's erratic behavior, lies, gaffes, violent attitude toward citizens who criticize him, and many other flaws disturb voters enough to weaken him tremendously down the stretch and put Bernie in a position to eke it out entirely or, at least, put him in a much stronger negotiation position to get positive change into Biden's now-lame platform.

[Hank Kingsley 20942]

1 minute ago, Bateshorn said:

In theory?  Yes.  But if he loses Michigan and can keep it close in Washington, win the North Dakota Caucus, he'll likely argue that he's still viable, hoping the debate on March 15 will flip the narrative.   Which is probably won't and if he loses Michigan today, he's not likely to be competitive in another race until April 4, when Alaska and Hawaii are on the ballot.

Yeah, obviously we'll have get to the debate March 15th, and then the next round of primary voting on March 17th: Arizona, Florida, Illinois and Ohio. 

If Biden wins Michigan, then wins Florida by a huge margin (likely), and wins in Illinois and Ohio, we're at the point where Bernie should drop out. 

 

[Pig Bellmont 8719]

1 minute ago, bad_teammate said:

Bernie shouldn't drop out.

Come back to me tomorrow and let’s reassess based on tonight. I’m not saying for certain one way or the other, but Bernie was supposed to be leading based on margin of victory in CA. If Biden’s votes are like the polls, staying in the race will be tilting at windmills. Energy would be better served dropping out and building coalitions for platform changes. Hell, Biden just adopted green new deal. 

[Ted Lange 16097]

 

 

[DanTheHorn 4925]

10 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Agree with Bates.

Bernie shouldn't drop out. He should get as many delegates as possible and just worry at Biden for months like lions to a stray pack of zebra. There's a remote possibility that Biden's erratic behavior, lies, gaffes, violent attitude toward citizens who criticize him, and many other flaws disturb voters enough to weaken him tremendously down the stretch and put Bernie in a position to eke it out entirely or, at least, put him in a much stronger negotiation position to get positive change into Biden's now-lame platform.

Hey BT, how about an alternative to Bernie being OK?

Edited March 10, 2020 by DanTheHorn

[bad_teammate 13196]

Just now, DanTheHorn said:

Hey BT, what about an alternative to Bernie being OK?

What do you mean by "being OK"?

[DanTheHorn 4925]

Now we have BT Caption: "What do you mean by being OK?"

Edited March 10, 2020 by DanTheHorn

[Bateshorn 9927]

8 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Yeah, obviously we'll have get to the debate March 15th, and then the next round of primary voting on March 17th: Arizona, Florida, Illinois and Ohio. 

If Biden wins Michigan, then wins Florida by a huge margin (likely), and wins in Illinois and Ohio, we're at the point where Bernie should drop out. 

 

If the polling is right, and Biden wins big tonight, this is possibly what will happen. It's just hard to imagine Bernie getting any sort of momentum that begins rolling under it's own weight unless Biden stumbles.  From a delegate perspective, without a Biden stumble, it's not mathematically possible for Bernie to have the plurality of the delegates by Milwaukee. 

Also, Bernie is 4 years older than 2016, he may just physically tire of a race he can't win without superdelegate intervention.

[Hank Kingsley 20942]

8 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Agree with Bates.

Bernie shouldn't drop out. He should get as many delegates as possible and just worry at Biden for months like lions to a stray pack of zebra. There's a remote possibility that Biden's erratic behavior, lies, gaffes, violent attitude toward citizens who criticize him, and many other flaws disturb voters enough to weaken him tremendously down the stretch and put Bernie in a position to eke it out entirely or, at least, put him in a much stronger negotiation position to get positive change into Biden's now-lame platform.

Not surprisingly, I completely disagree. 

If Biden dominates in voting today and March 17th, Bernie needs to drop out. If you want the progressive movement to have any goodwill with the overall electorate heading into 2022 and 2024, bowing out is the smart play. 

If Bernie drags this out and damages the D voters' desire to unify out of spite, it will undermine the movement as he hands it down to the younger generation. 

 

[Huckleberry 32861]

1 minute ago, Ted Lange said:

 

 

Cultivating allies = the Democratic Party keeps getting dragged to the right by the increasingly extremist GOP. I completely understand why the progressives aren't looking to join forces with the establishment. The better long term strategy for progressive policy supporters is to yank the nation back to the left. But the Democrats play scared. Always. Crazy outsider takes over GOP, uses populism to force everything way to the right. Democratic response is to try to capture those guys that used to be in the middle or close to it. The end result is that the GOP is way right of where it used to be and the Democrats are moderately right of where they used to be.

The Democratic nominee for POTUS is going to be a guy who puts the banks in charge of treasury policy, the insurance companies in charge of health care policy, and I'm sure the banks in charge of education policy as well. How is that a good thing to progressives? 

For months all that we've been hearing is that Sanders and the progressives needed to reach out to the moderates. And yet now there is zero talk of the moderates needing to reach out to the progressives who are 30-35% of the Democratic voting population (somewhere around 10% of the voting population) and y'all are buying it hook, line, and sinker.

[bad_teammate 13196]

Just now, Hank Kingsley said:

If you want the progressive movement to have any goodwill with the overall electorate heading into 2022 and 2024, bowing out is the smart play. 

If Bernie drags this out and damages the D voters' desire to unify out of spite, it will undermine the movement as he hands it down to the younger generation. 

Bernie bent and scraped for Hillary on the campaign trail and the repayment he got was a Hulu documentary from her about how he's a horrible piece of shit.

Sorry, man, we already did this and we know the result. I don't give a shit about the goodwill of whatever you mean by "the overall electorate". This is the war, we are fighting it. Beat us.

[Bateshorn 9927]

6 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Not surprisingly, I completely disagree. 

If Biden dominates in voting today and March 17th, Bernie needs to drop out. If you want the progressive movement to have any goodwill with the overall electorate heading into 2022 and 2024, bowing out is the smart play. 

If Bernie drags this out and damages the D voters' desire to unify out of spite, it will undermine the movement as he hands it down to the younger generation. 

 

I'm not sure this will be as big an issue as it was in 2016.  If Biden goes big tonight, acquits himself well on 3/15, wins large on 3/17, I think you'll see Bernie start fading at the polls, lose in Wisconsin on April 7, by the time the next big vote comes around on April 28 (which is also Biden favorable), he could be pulling low double digits and seen as gadfly.

 

It's hard to overstate how important Michigan was for Bernie in 2016.  Without a win tonight and caucuses to buttresses his campaign, he could take on also ran status and fade quickly.

Edited March 10, 2020 by Bateshorn

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

If Bernie is going to stay in, I hope he focuses his campaign around good ideas and not be a flame throwing “us vs them” destructive demagogue asshole. 
 

But I am not optimistic about this. 

[bad_teammate 13196]

Just now, Hugo Stiglitz said:

If Bernie is going to stay in, I hope he focuses his campaign around good ideas and not be a flame throwing “us vs them” destructive demagogue asshole. 

Joe Biden is literally threatening to slap voters and you're accusing Bernie of being an asshole?

lol

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Yeah, Bernie is a huge asshole.  That’s his appeal with the revolution talk.  Angry old man yelling.  He’s a dick and the bros love dicks.

[Hank Kingsley 20942]

3 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

I'm not sure this will be as big an issue as it was in 2016.  If Biden goes big tonight, acquits himself well on 3/15, goes wins large on 3/17, I think you'll see Bernie start fading at the polls, lose in Wisconsin on April 7, by the time the next big vote comes around on April 28 (which is also Biden favorable), he could be pulling low double digits and seen as gadfly.

And in the meantime, the left will be tagteaming with Trump/GOP and will continue to attack Biden for another month and a half

[Pig Bellmont 8719]

 

[bad_teammate 13196]

2 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

And in the meantime, the left will be tagteaming with Trump/GOP and will continue to attack Biden for another month and a half

It's His Turn!

[Ted Lange 16097]

4 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

If Bernie is going to stay in, I hope he focuses his campaign around good ideas and not be a flame throwing “us vs them” destructive demagogue asshole. 

Exactly.   Preach his message, put himself in the best position to be able to help shape the Biden campaign and poicies.   Or be a complete dumbass and get nothing accomplished like he has spent his entire career doing.