2020 Democratic Nominee

[ERhine 1,894]

Your accusation is clearly a confession. You are trying to troll me and I won't fall for it (unless this response replying to your obvious troll attempt is taking the bait and feeding you, the troll).

Troll.

[David Dennison 18,656]

42 minutes ago, OatmealRaisinCookie said:

Just can't abide by abortion, my dude.

Then don't have one.

[Blotto 23,434]

2 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

Yeah, that really came out of nowhere when Beto and the Democrats adopted a pro choice platform at the very last second on Election Day.  Lots of people thought he was more pro life than Ted Cruz before that.  

Wtf.

Just a troll doing troll things.

[bad_teammate 13,132]

2 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

Yeah, that really came out of nowhere when Beto and the Democrats adopted a pro choice platform at the very last second on Election Day.  Lots of people thought he was more pro life than Ted Cruz before that.  

Wtf.

Me: "Hey, Cookie, you are X."

Cookie: "Pardon me, good sir, but I am actually not X at all! In fact, I might be A or even Y! You shall see in due time, my good man! Too presumptuous, you are!"

~*~*~ 10 minutes later ~*~*~

Cookie: "Turns out I am X. No one could have foreseen such a thing!"

[Pancho 44,475]

5 hours ago, OatmealRaisinCookie said:

What? He rambles and talks too much. He needs a speech coach to help him hit salient points and keep ideas/sentences reigned in, as he isn't writing purple prose on a message board. Towards the end of the campaigning, hearing him was a beating for me. It was like that guy in your office who can't get to the point of what he's trying to say in every meeting and takes 8 minutes to say what could be said in 2 minutes.

You're a right wing voter, so no, nothing Beto could do stylistically would win you over. 

I've done public speaking for 20+ years, teach it at the college level, and have done public speaking consulting for forever.  You're completely wrong on his speaking style, but live your life. 

[Patrick Bateman 3,903]

 

[Ghost of LL 15,491]

4 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

Centrists, please listen. The left is the only thing keeping you degenerate people from turning Beto into America's Macron.

The guy who was elected president by beating a fascist populist?

[Fozzz 152]

Macron won by being an empty suit.  As soon as he began governing and people figured out what he was about his popularity quickly cratered, and now someone else is going to have an even harder time keeping the right at bay in the next election.  If something like that happened here (say Beto beats Trump but becomes extremely unpopular prior to the 2024 election), I doubt many here would be crowing over it as they would realize that something even more dreadful would be over the horizon.  

[bad_teammate 13,132]

1 hour ago, Ghost of LL said:

The guy who was elected president by beating a fascist populist?

Yes. Melenchon would have beaten her, too.

Obama won on a wave of hopey-changey populism, actually changed very little, and paved the way for Donald to be the winning-but-bad version of populist. Macron is just going to make fascism more popular as his austerity neo-liberalism continues to isolate the working class to the benefit of capital.

[Ghost of LL 15,491]

2 hours ago, Fozzz said:

Macron won by being an empty suit.  As soon as he began governing and people figured out what he was about his popularity quickly cratered, and now someone else is going to have an even harder time keeping the right at bay in the next election.  If something like that happened here (say Beto beats Trump but becomes extremely unpopular prior to the 2024 election), I doubt many here would be crowing over it as they would realize that something even more dreadful would be over the horizon.  

For that to happen, he has to win.

Win, and then we'll talk about how (un)popular Beto will be in 2024.

 

 

But . . . I really appreciate the role y'all are playing in mainstreaming Beto.  Keep it up.

[Celery Man 20,886]

Beto was nervous during the debates, which came out in his speaking there and also may have contributed to his overly close adherence to the rules when they were out the window from the start.  This is a legit concern about him in a 2020 race for presidency, IMO, and is why there is a part of me that thinks it might be better for him to be VP on a ticket than the guy.  His speaking at campaign events and rallies was and is great.  If you like the Trump's style or Cruz' style, that speaks about you and not Beto.  The NFL kneeling spiel from the video was almost perfect.  Very different from stoking fear with a string of short words and then shouting an adjective.

[ERhine 1,894]

Okay troll

[David Dennison 18,656]

41 minutes ago, OatmealRaisinCookie said:

Then I guess it speaks about me, because that spiel was something I tried to share with people and even liberal leaning friends were like, "gah, get to the point tho"

Sure.

[mchookem 16,212]

Beto made an intellectual case about the kneeling, tying it to history and civil rights protesters peacefully demonstrating. i got it and appreciated it. 

[Bama Chick 28,596]

Anything more than 280 characters are just too much for Trumpublicans.

The entirety of Beto’s answer on the NFL kneeling issue was four minutes and twelve seconds.

If your brain reacts with “Gah get to the point, dude” after only four minutes and twelve seconds of thoughtful speaking on an issue then you’re too stupid to be discussing politics. Much less voting.

[bad_teammate 13,132]

25 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

The entirety of Beto’s answer on the NFL kneeling issue was four minutes and twelve seconds.

Should've been 8 more seconds, bro

[Bama Chick 28,596]

okay, body shamer.

Sorry that you’re fat. No wonder you named yourself after a cookie.

Fat and dumb. I would feel sorry for you but you’re also an asshole.

Oh wait, this response is six whole sentences. It’s probably much too long for you.

[Bama Chick 28,596]

Your act is so tired.

 

You realize everyone here sees through it, right?

 

And you’re damn right I’ll fat shame Fat Trump Senior and Junior.

 

Do I really have to list out all the low blows and personal shots those two shitfarts have hurled at multiple people over the years?

 

And guess what? Eric has a face that looks like smashed buttholes and Ivanka and Melania have had too much plastic surgery.

 

They’re gross on the inside and gross on the outside and I don’t feel bad at all about shitting on everything about that family.

 

They’re garbage people. Fuck em.

 

But keep up the “I’m so above it all and everyone else is not engaging in polite discourse”. Maybe someone dumber than you will actually buy your holier than thou act.

 

[ADHD 28]

Troll.

[Fozzz 152]

This is an excellent graphic, and illustrates why simply winning the executive and legislative branches is not enough.  If this doesn't get fixed then something a lot worse than cheeto dick will be in store for us.  

 

 

[bad_teammate 13,132]

 

15 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

This is an excellent graphic, and illustrates why simply winning the executive and legislative branches is not enough.  If this doesn't get fixed then something a lot worse than cheeto dick will be in store for us.  

 

 

The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

Freeman and slave, patrician and plebeian, lord and serf, guild-master and journeyman, in a word, oppressor and oppressed, stood in constant opposition to one another, carried on an uninterrupted, now hidden, now open fight, a fight that each time ended, either in a revolutionary reconstitution of society at large, or in the common ruin of the contending classes.

In the earlier epochs of history, we find almost everywhere a complicated arrangement of society into various orders, a manifold gradation of social rank. In ancient Rome we have patricians, knights, plebeians, slaves; in the Middle Ages, feudal lords, vassals, guild-masters, journeymen, apprentices, serfs; in almost all of these classes, again, subordinate gradations.

The modern bourgeois society that has sprouted from the ruins of feudal society has not done away with class antagonisms. It has but established new classes, new conditions of oppression, new forms of struggle in place of the old ones.

Our epoch, the epoch of the bourgeoisie, possesses, however, this distinct feature: it has simplified class antagonisms. Society as a whole is more and more splitting up into two great hostile camps, into two great classes directly facing each other — Bourgeoisie and Proletariat.

Edited December 12, 2018 by bad_teammate

[ADHD 28]

2 hours ago, OatmealRaisinCookie said:

You definitely do not have Trump Derangement Syndrome. Definitely don't.

Troll.

 

[ADHD 28]

14 minutes ago, OatmealRaisinCookie said:

Did you literally copy and paste from the communist manifesto? You did! Interesting. Big Brain Communists > Big Brained Centrists

Troll.

[ADHD 28]

I mean how can you argue that you aren't trolling! 

[RayDog 682]

22 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

Is that an "attack"? I haven't seen any "attacks" on Beto from people on the left.

I've seen substantive critiques of his centrism and wishy-washy stance on things like universal healthcare, but if substantive critique of a candidate's policy vagueness is an "attack" then we're in a new arena of intra-party sensitivity. It's almost like the centrist neoliberal Dem machine realizes that their politics are unpopular and they have to try and paint the left progressives, who actually represent popular policy ideas among the working class, as hysterical crazies.

This will only ramp up as the Dem machine consensus coalesces around Beto...

Bringing up Bernie in response to someone who isn't Bernie and wasn't even talking about Bernie: The calling card of a Bad Dem.

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Centrists, please listen. The left is the only thing keeping you degenerate people from turning Beto into America's Macron.

When a critique has no intellectual basis I consider it an attack.

The O&G money is a good example. In order to make a valid comparison to other politicians one must consider the donations as a percentage of their total while factoring in the percentage of GDP that O&G has in their state or district. It is also important to distinguish small individual donations from PACs. Given the percentage of Beto's total donations and the percentage of state GDP,  Beto did not receive very much from the O&G sector and it was individual contributions.

The M4A thing is similarly irrational. Progressives claim that if you don't support M4A a person is not a progressive when M4A is only a label and has nothing really to do with a realistic implementation such as Bernie's 2017 bill. Realizing that, Beto refers to the more generalized term universal healthcare. The progressives then say he is wisshy-washy or not progressive and a centrist, and can probably be manipulated by big healthcare to stop M4A. Then the centrist and rightist Dems and big healthcare are thinking Beto and Biden are both going to stop M4A, so they are good candidates for them. None of us know how hard Beto would push for M4A if elected or if he would cave to corporate interests.

The kill ICE thing is another. Beto did not line up behind killing ICE because he recognizes that there are a number of ways to restructure the immigration system, so progressives say he is not progressive enough. This is a stupid attack, not a rational critique.

[Pancho 44,475]

 

[Celery Man 20,886]

I bet Castro is pissed that Beto did as well as he did.

 

[FondrenRoad 4,378]

4 minutes ago, Pancho Negro said:

 

Beto does have that Obama surge going on. Is it sustainable for 2 years when he is completely out of gov't though?  He lost the Senate race and didn't run for House reelection. He is going to need some kind of "office" to stay in the spotlight, and the executive branches of both the country and the state aren't going to throw him any bones like the SoS bone Obama threw Hillary. 

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3,861]

5 minutes ago, Celery Man said:

I bet Castro is pissed that Beto did as well as he did.

 

what a dope.  i have never seen something more obviously practiced yet wholly ineffective.

[RayDog 682]

21 minutes ago, FondrenRoad said:

Beto does have that Obama surge going on. Is it sustainable for 2 years when he is completely out of gov't though?  He lost the Senate race and didn't run for House reelection. He is going to need some kind of "office" to stay in the spotlight, and the executive branches of both the country and the state aren't going to throw him any bones like the SoS bone Obama threw Hillary. 

He did a great job getting in and staying in the spotlight with town halls. I think his election campaign starts with the same formula and he has no problem keeping the spotlight on him. Over time he will only get better and adapt to nationwide strategies.

[bad_teammate 13,132]

1 hour ago, RayDog said:

The O&G money is a good example. In order to make a valid comparison to other politicians one must consider the donations as a percentage of their total while factoring in the percentage of GDP that O&G has in their state or district. It is also important to distinguish small individual donations from PACs. Given the percentage of Beto's total donations and the percentage of state GDP,  Beto did not receive very much from the O&G sector and it was individual contributions.

If he wants to say, "I will accept money from O&G individuals in the normal proportions" that's cool. But that's not what the pledge he signed said.

He knowingly accepted contributions of over $200 from O&G execs and broke the pledge he signed. You can not care that he broke the pledge (I don't), but to dismiss pointing that out as an "attack" is disingenuous. Some people care about that sort of thing. I don't, but some do.

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The M4A thing is similarly irrational. Progressives claim that if you don't support M4A a person is not a progressive when M4A is only a label and has nothing really to do with a realistic implementation such as Bernie's 2017 bill. Realizing that, Beto refers to the more generalized term universal healthcare. The progressives then say he is wisshy-washy or not progressive and a centrist, and can probably be manipulated by big healthcare to stop M4A. Then the centrist and rightist Dems and big healthcare are thinking Beto and Biden are both going to stop M4A, so they are good candidates for them. None of us know how hard Beto would push for M4A if elected or if he would cave to corporate interests.

Yeah... that's the whole point. That's literally the whole point of the critique. We have no clue what the hell he actually believes or would push for. (His healthcare page.)

Would I donate money to Beto, canvas for him, and vote for him in 2020? Yes.

Do I have any faith in him as a leader on any kind of progressive cause. No. Why would I? What's his voting record in Congress? What has he promoted, started, or even sponsored? Is it not enough that we work to get these people elected, we also have to drink the Flavor-Aid and pretend they fart sunshine? I got high on the Obama supply in 2008; not going to do that again.

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The kill ICE thing is another. Beto did not line up behind killing ICE because he recognizes that there are a number of ways to restructure the immigration system, so progressives say he is not progressive enough. This is a stupid attack, not a rational critique.

Abolishing ICE and restructuring immigration are not mutually exclusive concepts. Conflating the two is, again, disingenuous.

Support for ICE is support for militarized white nationalism. That's important to some people. Maybe not you, but it is legitimate to many.

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3,861]

2 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

If he wants to say, "I will accept money from O&G individuals in the normal proportions" that's cool. But that's not what the pledge he signed said.

He knowingly accepted contributions of over $200 from O&G execs and broke the pledge he signed. You can not care that he broke the pledge (I don't), but to dismiss pointing that out as an "attack" is disingenuous. Some people care about that sort of thing. I don't, but some do.

 Yeah... that's the whole point. That's literally the whole point of the critique. We have no clue what the hell he actually believes or would push for. (His healthcare page.)

Would I donate money to Beto, canvas for him, and vote for him in 2020? Yes.

Do I have any faith in him as a leader on any kind of progressive cause. No. Why would I? What's his voting record in Congress? What has he promoted, started, or even sponsored? Is it not enough that we work to get these people elected, we also have to drink the Flavor-Aid and pretend they fart sunshine? I got high on the Obama supply in 2008; not going to do that again.

Abolishing ICE and restructuring immigration are not mutually exclusive concepts. Conflating the two is, again, disingenuous.

Support for ICE is support for militarized white nationalism. That's important to some people. Maybe not you, but it is legitimate to many.

+ repped for historical accuracy.

[Patrick Bateman 3,903]

Not surprising at all..... Shame.

 

[Guest Lobo]

Is Castro upset because he's an accomplished twice-elected mayor of a major American city.  And served well as Cabinet member.  And is actually Hispanic.  Or, is he gonna sit back and take bullshit from the Party?  

[Ghost of LL 15,491]

3 minutes ago, Lobo said:

Is Castro upset because he's an accomplished twice-elected mayor of a major American city.  And served well as Cabinet member.  And is actually Hispanic.  Or, is he gonna sit back and take bullshit from the Party?  

Where is the great groundswell for Julian Castro?  Where are the people saying, "you know--what this country really needs is Julian Castro"?

Nowhere that I can see.

One of the very good reasons there's no groundswell is that the and his brother were AWOL in 2018.  2018 was an all-hands-on-deck democracy emergency.  We needed candidates to challenge in every race.  And preferably good candidates.  Castro could have run for lt. governor or AG or any number of other offices and run a very credible campaign.  But instead, he sat it out.  Presumably, he didn't want to dirty his knuckles.

But too bad, fucker--in 2018 stars were made.  Beto, Andrew Gillum, Stacey Abrams, AOC.  And yeah--some of them didn't win.  But the attention is on them.  Not on some never-was who couldn't even get out of the lockerroom for the big game.

[Guest Lobo]

And that's fair.   I really wish somebody like Castro(s) or O'Rourke would have run against Dan Patrick.  Maybe LG isn't the sexiest title but bringing down Patrick and what his supporters represent is so much more a dagger to the heart of backwards people than fucking with Cornyn or Abbott ever could.  

[Celery Man 20,886]

to be fair, O'Rourke fucked with Cruz.

[Guest Lobo]

Yes, he did.  And he did it in a mature(ish) and productive manner.  But say what you want about Cruz, he doesn't really impact Texas state politics that much.  Neither does Abbott really.  This shitshow is produced and happily sponsored and brought to you by Dan fucking Patrick.  

[Pancho 44,475]

4 hours ago, Lobo said:

And that's fair.   I really wish somebody like Castro(s) or O'Rourke would have run against Dan Patrick.  Maybe LG isn't the sexiest title but bringing down Patrick and what his supporters represent is so much more a dagger to the heart of backwards people than fucking with Cornyn or Abbott ever could.  

You’re a republican.  Why would you want or care for anyone to run against Patrick or hot wheels.

[Pancho 44,475]

New name?

 

[Biff Tannen 45,494]

2 minutes ago, Pancho Negro said:

New name?

 

That's all well and good in December of 2018, but the list of people running this time next year better be down to a manageable number.  Like 3-4.

[mchookem 16,212]

so is the 2020 democratic field going to be as big as the 2016 republican field??

that'll be good! let the people decide. 

[Bama Chick 28,596]

Well, Tulsi Gabbard will have the male vote locked in.

All they need is a beautiful face and a nice pair of tits and they’ll fall in line.





Plus, she’s a veteran so she’ll make them feel safe.

[RayDog 682]

Well done

[atomheartbevo 89,428]

On 12/11/2018 at 7:46 PM, Bama Chick said:

If your brain reacts with “Gah get to the point, dude” after only four minutes and twelve seconds of thoughtful speaking on an issue then you’re too stupid to be discussing politics. Much less voting.

https://codes.findlaw.com/ms/mississippi-constitution/ms-const-art-12-sect-241.html

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Every inhabitant of this state, except idiots and insane persons, who is a citizen of the United States of America, eighteen (18) years old and upward, who has been a resident of this state for one (1) year, and for one (1) year in the county in which he offers to vote, and for six (6) months in the election precinct or in the incorporated city or town in which he offers to vote, and who is duly registered as provided in this article, and who has never been convicted of murder, rape, bribery, theft, arson, obtaining money or goods under false pretense, perjury, forgery, embezzlement or bigamy, is declared to be a qualified elector, except that he shall be qualified to vote for President and Vice President of the United States if he meets the requirements established by Congress therefor and is otherwise a qualified elector.

Your neighbors. 

Edited December 13, 2018 by atomheartbevo

[Patrick Bateman 3,903]

1 hour ago, Pancho Negro said:

New name?

 

Well we know she’ll get the Assad and Putin vote.  Seriously she has almost no chance.  Seems like this is a play to get her more name reco for a possible cabinet position....

 

[Guest Lobo]

2 hours ago, Pancho Negro said:

You’re a republican.  Why would you want or care for anyone to run against Patrick or hot wheels.

I’m a republican?   Really?   Holy shit.  Next you’ll tell me I’ll white too.  Proud Card carrying member and significant donor to the libertarian party.  Both national and Texas.  When you have my credentials you can open up your mouth.  I have done more in my sleep to oppose dan Patrick that you’ll ever know sweetheart.  Leave this stuff to the adults.  I’m sure you have a poetry slam to organize.  It’s gonna take awhile to bring down dan Patrick and it’s gonna take awhile to advance the libertarian cause.  Only thing they have in common is you are an absolute Zero.

[atomheartbevo 89,428]

On 12/11/2018 at 6:09 PM, Celery Man said:

Beto was nervous during the debates, which came out in his speaking there and also may have contributed to his overly close adherence to the rules when they were out the window from the start.  This is a legit concern about him in a 2020 race for presidency, IMO, and is why there is a part of me that thinks it might be better for him to be VP on a ticket than the guy. 

I don’t think Trump will be running for a variety of reasons, so there’s not too much concern that Beto will get hammered at the debates by somebody breaking the rules, etc. - Mother doesn’t like it when Michael is a naughty boy, so he will stick mostly to the rules. 

Heres the million-dollar question. We know the GOP most likely won’t pick up any states Hillary won.  The GOP just lost four states last month - AZ, MI, WI, PA, and Trump helped put Georgia, Florida, and North Carolina into play.  And Trump campaigned actively in several of those states.   And Dems are pissed in some of those states thanks to Republicans acting like shitheads and/or trying to disenfranchise Dems.

The GOP can only afford to lose two states out of those seven. One, if that state is Florida. Beyond that, they lose the Electoral College. 

So which Democrat(s) can not only keep WI, AZ, Mi, PA, but then win any one of Georgia, Florida, and North Carolina?  I know Trump may have out a few other states into play, but those seven aren’t particularly contested (and/or were lost) lost last month. 

[Celery Man 20,886]

surely there's 0.0% chance that, if Trump isn't running for whatever reason, Mike Pence is the nominee.  Just no way.

[ADHD 28]

5 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

Well, Tulsi Gabbard will have the male vote locked in.

All they need is a beautiful face and a nice pair of tits and they’ll fall in line.





Plus, she’s a veteran so she’ll make them feel safe.

Wow. The Democrats have talent.